---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 01/31/05: 25 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:02 AM - Re: Electronic Ignition and starting problems (Bill Gunn) 2. 06:06 AM - Re: release the hounds (Keck, David) 3. 06:46 AM - Re: Van's master relay (Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club) 4. 07:20 AM - Real Time Weather... (Bill VonDane) 5. 07:23 AM - Re: release the hounds (Wiethe, Philip (P.J.)) 6. 07:31 AM - Re: Van's master relay (Vanremog@aol.com) 7. 09:19 AM - Re: Re: release the hounds (Bryan Jones) 8. 10:46 AM - Re: Real Time Weather... (John) 9. 01:00 PM - Re: Real Time Weather... (Kevin Horton) 10. 02:13 PM - Re: RV-3 (Bob) 11. 03:20 PM - Re: Van's master relay (Mark/Micki Phillips) 12. 05:13 PM - Re: Van's master relay (John Danielson) 13. 05:13 PM - Electronic ignition (John Danielson) 14. 05:23 PM - Re: Vans Service Bulletin - TIP UP Canopy 7 and 9s only (LarryRobertHelming) 15. 05:57 PM - Re: Electronic ignition (LarryRobertHelming) 16. 07:18 PM - Why the Vans Service Bulletin - TIP UP Canopy 7 and 9s...? (Kelly Patterson) 17. 07:42 PM - Re: Electronic ignition (Martin Hone) 18. 07:45 PM - Re: Electronic ignition (Ed Holyoke) 19. 07:54 PM - Landing Lights (David Fenstermacher) 20. 08:03 PM - Question for Das Fed: Aux fuel gauge? (Charlie England) 21. 08:12 PM - Re: {HARASS} Real Time Weather... (Duane Zavadil) 22. 08:35 PM - Re: Van's master relay (Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club) 23. 08:35 PM - Re: Landing Lights (Douglas A. Fischer) 24. 08:58 PM - Re: Why the Vans Service Bulletin - TIP UP Canopy 7 and 9s...? (Dan Checkoway) 25. 09:37 PM - Re: Real Time Weather... (Doug Rozendaal) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:02:37 AM PST US From: "Bill Gunn" Subject: Re: RV-List: Electronic Ignition and starting problems --> RV-List message posted by: "Bill Gunn" I have had an ElectoAir system in place of my right mag for 1100 hours - since 1996. I have two toggles for ignition and a button for the starter. In discussions with ElectoAir (Jeff Rose) in 1997, I learned the system may not default to zero degrees BTDC unless the computer sees rotation at the timing device. I count two blades while cranking and then apply power to the Electoair system - no kickback for the last 1000 hours. Bill Gunn, RV 4 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:06:22 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: release the hounds From: "Keck, David" --> RV-List message posted by: "Keck, David" I believe if he did that his name would still show up but not his address. Dave -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of cgalley Subject: Re: RV-List: release the hounds --> RV-List message posted by: "cgalley" Not necessarily, he could have asked not to make it public. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Besing" Subject: RE: RV-List: release the hounds > --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" > > He must not have a current medical, because I did a search of the FAA > database (which only includes current medical holders) to try and get an > address. > > Any law enforcement on this list? A quick search should at least get an > address. > > Paul Besing > RV-6A Sold > RV-10 Soon > Kitlog Builder's Software > www.kitlog.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Evan and Megan > Johnson > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: release the hounds > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson" > > > Nope....I think he vanished with my money. Bummer......I did recieve lots of > nice notes from you guys on the list though. I am apparantly not the only > person to have been taken advantage of by Brian so beware. > > Evan Johnson > www.evansaviationproducts.com > (530)247-0375 > (530)351-1776 cell > do not archive > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charlie Kuss" > To: > Subject: Re: RV-List: release the hounds > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss > > > > Evan > > Any progress with this cretin? > > Charlie Kuss > > > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson" > > > > > > >Do any of you guys know how to reach Brian Baumgarner, formerly of Neosho > > >MO ? I've had it with this guy.....he has apparently split to Florida > > >somewhere leaving behind an $820.00 fuel tank bill which is years past > due > > >(literally). He called me in a desperate hurry for a new tank because he > > >had a damaged one on an airplane he had sold. I went out of pocket for > > >parts/labor and shipping costs to help him....only to be left hanging. I > > >have got to tell you, I never cease to be baffled when someone takes > > >advantage of my trust. Thankfully it rarely happens in this community, > and > > >I still routinely ship out finished product before billing. Airplane > folks > > >as a rule are well above average when it comes to honesty. Any help would > > >be appreciated.......As a matter of fact, I have a new airspeed indicator > > >(or donation for same amount to charity in your name) for whichever > person > > >recovers this lost revenue. I know this sounds harsh, but you have to > > >understand I have been polite in many pho! > > >ne calls and multiple letters and have received only empty promises of > > >payment. To me this is a significant amount of money and it would not be > > >fair to myself or my family to just let it go. > > > > > > > > >Regards..... > > > > > > > > >Evan Johnson > > >www.evansaviationproducts.com > > >(530)247-0375 > > >(530)351-1776 cell > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:46:33 AM PST US From: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" Subject: Re: RV-List: Van's master relay --> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" Dave wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Dave" > >I've been having an intermittent voltage dropout where all avionics go dead or reset depending if voltage comes right back which it does sometimes. I believe that the Van's master relay is dropping out. It sometimes happens with normal load, sometimes as I key the radio mic. Have had to reset master relay off to on a couple times. Just wondering if anyone has had problems with a master relay from Van's? > >Dave Ford >RV6 > > > > From day one, mine has ran so hot, you cant hold on to it. I called Van's and they said not toworry about it as it is a continuous duty relay and will run hot. I think it is running too hot and will fail. I may blow a little air on it ..... But as of this time it is still working good........ Phil in Illinois ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:20:15 AM PST US From: Bill VonDane Subject: RV-List: Real Time Weather... vansairforce --> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane Anyone have real time weather in the cockpit yet? How does it work? -Bill ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:23:26 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: RE: release the hounds From: "Wiethe, Philip (P.J.)" --> RV-List message posted by: "Wiethe, Philip (P.J.)" " Any law enforcement on this list? A quick search should at least get an address. " I have some close friends in Law Enforcement here in Michigan. The problem is, at least here in MI, if there is not an active case number to reference for an inquiry into the LEIN system (Law Enforcement Information Network), the person can get into big trouble accessing it. My suggestion would be to contact your local Law Enforcement agency and see what the felony threshold is for "Larceny by False pretense" or whatever similar larceny/fraud charge that your situation should fall under. If your amount exceeds the felony threshold, you may be able to get them to issue a warrant, and most states will extradite for a felony warrant. Just having the Police Dept. contact him with the information that a warrant is going to be issued may be enough to get him to pay you back. Phil DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:31:38 AM PST US From: Vanremog@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Van's master relay --> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com In a message dated 1/30/2005 7:10:29 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, dford@michweb.net writes: I've been having an intermittent voltage dropout where all avionics go dead or reset depending if voltage comes right back which it does sometimes. I believe that the Van's master relay is dropping out. ============================================== Is Van's still selling the Cole-Hersee brand, as there is none better IMO? If not Cole-Hersee (White-Rogers or similar) I would recommend you go and buy a Cole-Hersee at your local boating store. If it is the good brand then look for problems elsewhere in your grounding circuit to the small side terminal. GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 736hrs, Silicon Valley, CA) ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:19:41 AM PST US From: "Bryan Jones" Subject: RE: RV-List: RE: release the hounds --> RV-List message posted by: "Bryan Jones" Unfortunately, this sounds like a civil case. Had the money been stolen, or taken - that's almost a felony theft (in Texas). But a bad debt - that's hard to collect. Best of luck. definitely not a lawyer. But do know a couple that are fairly decent people and have encountered a situation very similar to this one. When the guy who took the money realized it was not a bad debt and was a felony theft, the cash materialized very quickly... Bryan -8 Houston 2 cents do not archive >From: "Wiethe, Philip (P.J.)" >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: >Subject: RV-List: RE: release the hounds >Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:22:49 -0500 > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Wiethe, Philip (P.J.)" > >" Any law enforcement on this list? A quick search should at least get an >address. " >I have some close friends in Law Enforcement here in Michigan. The problem >is, at least here in MI, if there is not an active case number to reference >for an inquiry into the LEIN system (Law Enforcement Information Network), >the person can get into big trouble accessing it. My suggestion would be >to contact your local Law Enforcement agency and see what the felony >threshold is for "Larceny by False pretense" or whatever similar >larceny/fraud charge that your situation should fall under. If your amount >exceeds the felony threshold, you may be able to get them to issue a >warrant, and most states will extradite for a felony warrant. Just having >the Police Dept. contact him with the information that a warrant is going >to be issued may be enough to get him to pay you back. >Phil >DO NOT ARCHIVE > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:46:46 AM PST US From: "John" Subject: Re: RV-List: Real Time Weather... --> RV-List message posted by: "John" I just installed XM WORX weather via Anywhere Map system...have only one short flight in clear conditions but METAR and TAF came through just fine...looked down at ABQ area where there was lots of weather and it showed up just very plainly and crispy...looking forward to reducinig my concern about summer thunderstorms with this unit. I got it installed in my RV6A fairly neatly, but power cords are still needed....GPS is 12-channel Bluetooth, WAAS enabled with rechargable batteries if you want to eliminate one more power wire, and the XM receiver is also Bluetooth so at least data wires aren't running around. So my view is that it is a very nice presentation...also today is the last day of a $200 price reduction by Control Vision on their Anywhere Map weather system...for what that's worth. John at Salida, CO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill VonDane" ; "vansairforce" Subject: RV-List: Real Time Weather... > --> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane > > Anyone have real time weather in the cockpit yet? How does it work? > > -Bill > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:00:48 PM PST US From: Kevin Horton Subject: Re: RV-List: Real Time Weather... --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton > --> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane > > Anyone have real time weather in the cockpit yet? How does it work? > > I've seen the WX Worx XM satellite weather system in action in the last week, and I am very, very impressed. We were looking for heavy snow on Friday to do some Enhanced Vision System testing. A band of heavy snow went through Wichita, but it took so long to get de-iced that the visibility had improved before we could get airborne. The WX Worx display was showing the band of heavy precip on radar, and the 5 minute loop showed it moving towards Topeka. We landed at Kansas City, waited an hour, then took off for Topeka. We got there before the snow did, so we set up in a holding pattern at 5,000 ft at the Final Approach Fix, which was about 5 miles from the runway. We could watch the heavy precip on the radar updates, and sure enough, the snow arrived at the FAF, but there was enough resolution on the display to show that it hadn't arrived at the airport yet, which was only 5 miles away. We watched the snow crawling towards the airport on every 5 minute update. Finally the tower reported that the snow had arrived, just when the WX Worx showed it hitting the airport. Great system! I will eventually purchase a real time weather system, and right now the XM stuff is the front runner. Kevin Horron ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:13:37 PM PST US From: Bob Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-3 clamav-milter version 0.80j on opie.wvnet.edu --> RV-List message posted by: Bob Randy In my opinion one thing that really makes a good sport airplane fun to fly is lightweight. And it is tough to get much lighter than an RV-3. What I like is the power to weight ratio. If I were building an RV-3 I would use the optimum power to weight curve to choose the engine. I think the 180 HP is probably too heavy and the 0-235 doesn't have the power of a 150 or 160 hp, an O-320 might be just right. I notice on my RV6 that there is a BIG difference between one and two people. Lightness counts, take out all of those lightening holes. The driving philosophy in building my RV6 was lightness. I came out at 1023 lbs not too bad for a 180 HP. I would have broken 1000 lbs if I had gone with an 160 HP. An RV6 less than 1000 lbs must be a real hoot to fly! Bob RV6 NightFighter At 11:40 AM 1/29/05, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" > > > When I was first deciding on what airplane to build at the EAA Arlington > > Fly-in about 12 years ago. One of the speakers during the RV presentation > > stated that the if the RV 3 was a 10 out of 10, then the RV4 would be a 9 > > and the RV6 would be an 8, with a Cessna 172 as a 3. If the RV6 is an 8, > > then that RV3 must be some fun airplane. I can't even imagine flying > > getting much better than an RV6. I would love to try out a RV3 someday to > > see what a "10" is all about! > > > > Bob RV6 > > NightFighter > > >Bob, that's music to my ears, I'm building an RV-3B. I have not flown a -3 >yet but hear this sort of report from everyone who has. Can't wait! > >Randy Lervold >www.rv-3.com > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:20:11 PM PST US From: "Mark/Micki Phillips" Subject: Re: RV-List: Van's master relay --> RV-List message posted by: "Mark/Micki Phillips" Phil!!!!!!!!!!!! How about some updates ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" Subject: Re: RV-List: Van's master relay > --> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" > > > Dave wrote: > >>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dave" >> >>I've been having an intermittent voltage dropout where all avionics go >>dead or reset depending if voltage comes right back which it does >>sometimes. I believe that the Van's master relay is dropping out. It >>sometimes happens with normal load, sometimes as I key the radio mic. >>Have had to reset master relay off to on a couple times. Just wondering >>if anyone has had problems with a master relay from Van's? >> >>Dave Ford >>RV6 >> >> >> >> > From day one, mine has ran so hot, you cant hold on to it. I called > Van's and they said not toworry about it as it is a continuous duty > relay and will run hot. I think it is running too hot and will fail. > I may blow a little air on it ..... But as of this time it is still > working good........ > Phil in Illinois > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:13:09 PM PST US From: "John Danielson" Subject: RE: RV-List: Van's master relay --> RV-List message posted by: "John Danielson" You might check the orientation of the master relay. As I remember they need to be mounted in a certain position. Check the archives. John Danielson -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Subject: RV-List: Van's master relay --> RV-List message posted by: "Dave" I've been having an intermittent voltage dropout where all avionics go dead or reset depending if voltage comes right back which it does sometimes. I believe that the Van's master relay is dropping out. It sometimes happens with normal load, sometimes as I key the radio mic. Have had to reset master relay off to on a couple times. Just wondering if anyone has had problems with a master relay from Van's? Dave Ford RV6 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:13:09 PM PST US From: "John Danielson" Subject: RV-List: Electronic ignition --> RV-List message posted by: "John Danielson" A quick question for those running an electronic ignition with a standard mag. Do you guys run both when cruising? If you do, how does the different timing of each unit affect each other, while cruising? Thanks John Danielson ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:23:18 PM PST US From: "LarryRobertHelming" Subject: RV-List: Re: Vans Service Bulletin - TIP UP Canopy 7 and 9s only --> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" Tom, sounds great to me and I cannot suggest anything better. I did not know you had plans to contact us. The bulletin on the Vans site said we should contact you I thought. Thanks for your fast reply. I'll be needing the kit for a completed RV7. Larry Helming, builder 70047 From: "Tom Green" Subject: Re: Vans Service Bulletin - TIP UP Canopy 7 and 9s only > Actually Larry, we only posted this 7 days ago and we are going to > mail notify everyone... how else would you suggest we handle this? > Tom > > could se doForwarded by: "Support" > Forwarded to: TomG > Date forwarded: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:18:26 -0800 > From: "LarryRobertHelming" > To: > Copies to: "Support" > Subject: Vans Service Bulletin - TIP UP Canopy 7 and 9s only > Date sent: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 07:01:03 -0600 > > It would be nice if Vans kept track of their customers and gave us a > call/letter/email when stuff like this happens. > > http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/sb05-1-1.pdf > > This looks like a fun thing to be doing for a (nearly) completed plane. > > Indiana Larry, RV7 TipUp "SunSeeker" > > Evansville, Indiana (just north of western Kentucky) > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:57:51 PM PST US From: "LarryRobertHelming" Subject: Re: RV-List: Electronic ignition --> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" Yes you should run both when cruising. The timing will advance on the EI and very closely match the firing/timing of the Mag at cruise rpm. It is a matter of dual spark that gives better fuel burn compared with only one spark in each cylinder if one or the other were turned off. And if one plug goes bad, the cylinder is not missing totally. EI timing changes with rpm and gives better engine running at slower rpms when its spark is retarted compared to the fixed 25 degrees of the mag. Indiana Larry, RV7 TipUp "SunSeeker" Evansville, Indiana (just north of western Kentucky) > --> RV-List message posted by: "John Danielson" > > A quick question for those running an electronic ignition with a > standard mag. > Do you guys run both when cruising? If you do, how does the different > timing of each unit affect each other, while cruising? > > Thanks > John Danielson ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:18:42 PM PST US From: "Kelly Patterson" Subject: RV-List: Why the Vans Service Bulletin - TIP UP Canopy 7 and 9s...? --> RV-List message posted by: "Kelly Patterson" Hi Gang, I'm building a 6A with tip-up, but always scrutinize any SB for Van's aircraft. This SB should apply to the 6 also. My Engineering background shed some light on the reason for the mod. See if you agree. The original design has a *potential* failure if you flip the airplane on it's back. The load (from front to back) must travel through the channel - into the angle - up the bulkhead - then back through the top skin. This means there is a 3/4" jog in the load path and the bulkhead is a poor member to resist bending. To fix it Van's simply added a shim that skips the angle and transfers the load directly from the channel into the rear skin through the new rivets or screws. Look at the SB to see what I mean. In my case I was able to fab my own 0.080 thick shim (YMMV) and drill a few more rivets through the skin, shim and channel, identical to what the SB shows. It is not required on the 6, but is a "good thing" so it's now on my plane. BTW - it won't come apart in flight if you have not done this. Why Van's didn't include the 6 in the SB is beyond me, it appears to apply to all of the side by side tip-ups. Kelly Patterson RV-6A finishing PHX, AZ Original post... Time: 02:43:08 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: RV-List: Vans Service Bulletin - TIP UP Canopy 7 and 9s only --> RV-List message posted by: My -6A has the old method of assembly and hasn't come apart, yet. If you have the older style brace, and have it already past the point of no return, I'm not sure I'd worry with it. There are hundreds of tip-ups using the old configuration. Mine hasn't come apart, yet. Of course, it could fly apart on the next flight. :-) I wonder why they made the change? Jim Sears in KY ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:42:59 PM PST US From: "Martin Hone" Subject: RV-List: Re: Electronic ignition --> RV-List message posted by: "Martin Hone" Hi John, Depends a bit on whose system you are using. Most take into account manifold pressure, so that at low power settings the timing will advance in excess of the fixed mag timing of 25 degrees BTDC, up to 40 degrees BTDC. At cruise power, this advanced timing will allow you to lean the mixture more, thereby saving fuel. Full throttle at 8000 feet would most likely have both ignitions firing at the factory recommended 25 degrees, but you should have both turned on at any time except starting or doing a mag check. Cheers Martin in Oz _____ Block Spam Emails - Click here! ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:45:17 PM PST US From: "Ed Holyoke" Subject: RE: RV-List: Electronic ignition --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" I run 'em both all the time. The Lightspeed ignition will advance at altitude and gives better economy than mags. If I turn the mag off at cruise, I can't tell the difference. I think it's along for the ride. If I turn off the EI, I lose a remarkable amount of power and it runs less smoothly. I can lean much more aggressively with the EI also. My new plane will have two of them and no mags. Ed Holyoke RV-6a flying -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Danielson Subject: RV-List: Electronic ignition --> RV-List message posted by: "John Danielson" A quick question for those running an electronic ignition with a standard mag. Do you guys run both when cruising? If you do, how does the different timing of each unit affect each other, while cruising? Thanks John Danielson ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:54:44 PM PST US From: "David Fenstermacher" "rv-list" , "rv8list" Subject: RV-List: Landing Lights 0.50 MIME_BOUND_NEXTPART Spam tool pattern in MIME boundary --> RV-List message posted by: "David Fenstermacher" I have decided to install only one leading edge landing light from Duckworks. Is there a convention for which wing? I'm thinking the right wing. Thoughts/Comments Thanks ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:03:42 PM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: RV-List: Question for Das Fed: Aux fuel gauge? --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England I'm preparing to close a pair of aux tanks & need some advice on the requirements for gauges on aux fuel tanks. Is any gauge required if the aux tank simply feeds a main tank? If yes, is a simple empty indicator sufficient? Thanks, Charlie ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:12:49 PM PST US From: "Duane Zavadil" Subject: Re: {HARASS} RV-List: Real Time Weather... --> RV-List message posted by: "Duane Zavadil" Hi Bill Fellow CO resident. I use a Fujitsu LT 600p with XM WXWorxs. I love it. Works as asvertised. Expensive but it has saved me a bunch of hotel bills and anxiety. ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Bill VonDane >--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane > >Anyone have real time weather in the cockpit yet? How does it work? > >-Bill > > Sent via the WebMail system at hometownaccess.net ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 08:35:05 PM PST US From: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" Subject: Re: RV-List: Van's master relay --> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" Mark/Micki Phillips wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Mark/Micki Phillips" > >Phil!!!!!!!!!!!! How about some updates > > OK......... I had a fuel pump that needed replaced. I think I told you... I got one off ebay that I am sure is new. It is installed and all hooked up. I have not run it yet to see its performance. I have about three point three hours on it at this time. Not flying much because off weather but when weather is good, I have been flying with Don Murphy who bought the 6 out in AZ. We brought it back in about 8 hours flying time from Kingman. It was a rea l pretty trip home, we passed three snow capped peaks. His airplane was shitting and getting coming home. We flew at 9500 feet most of the way except around Albequerque, we went to 11500. Van now has the upper and lower gear leg intersection fairings so I ordered a set.. Then I will put gear fairings back on. I did some speed runs up at 9500 feet and I am truing out at about 190. This also verifies with four directional runs that averaged out to 190 ground speed. I think when I get the fairings on it, it will do pretty close to 200 at altitude.... I need to go back to work so I will have more time. We are planning for Sun and Fun now. I guess there will be about four RV going down together... I have been doing a little picking. I am working on boil dem Cabbage down. I am not fast and not hitting all the notes right yet but it is starting to come to me. Still singing on Friday nights. Three weeks ago, I "butchered" a song on the radio oh well only about 10000 people were listening...... They dont know me.......I started out in the wrong key and I couldnt hit the note right. My old lady said it sounded very bad...... What does she know about singing? I hope to fly some this week. Tomorrow, I have to go to SPI FAA to get CFI renewed. Then I will be good for two more years on it. Also getting repairmans certificat for RV6........ Thats all. Phil ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:35:37 PM PST US From: "Douglas A. Fischer" Subject: Re: RV-List: Landing Lights clamav-milter version 0.80j on mail2.iserv.net --> RV-List message posted by: "Douglas A. Fischer" I think the directions show a left wing installation, but it is just as easy to reverse it. Doug Fischer -9A Wings (tanks...ummm.. yummy Proseal!) Jenison, MI Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Fenstermacher" "rv-list" ; "rv8list" Subject: RV-List: Landing Lights > --> RV-List message posted by: "David Fenstermacher" > > I have decided to install only one leading edge landing light from Duckworks. > Is there a convention for which wing? > I'm thinking the right wing. > Thoughts/Comments > > Thanks > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 08:58:04 PM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: Why the Vans Service Bulletin - TIP UP Canopy 7 and 9s...? --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" > The original design has a *potential* failure if you flip the airplane on > it's back. The load (from front to back) must travel through the channel - > into the angle - up the bulkhead - then back through the top skin. This > means there is a 3/4" jog in the load path and the bulkhead is a poor member For whatever reason, I'm having a hard time visualizing this "jog" -- there's a rib that runs along the center of that top skin. The angle which the channel rivets to is riveted directly to the rib (the bulkhead happens to be sandwiched in between). From where I sit, the load is transmitted: - roll bar - channel - angle - RIB - top skin If you take that rib out of the picture, sure, I can clearly see the "jog" issue...but with the rib serving to translate the load from the angle to the top skin, seems to me anything else is superfluous. But that's why I'm NOT an engineer, I guess. Maybe somebody who knows what he's talking about can set me straight. do not archive )_( Dan RV-7 N714D http://www.rvproject.com ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 09:37:38 PM PST US From: "Doug Rozendaal" Subject: Re: RV-List: Real Time Weather... --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" I too have been on WX worx with a fujitsu LT-600 since Sept, and I would no more fly in the weather without it than I would fly at night without a flashlight. Could I? yes to both, but why would I???? I have said before, I think here, 70% of aviation accidents are WX related. GPS is great, but we were not crashing because we got lost. With WX worx, if you fly into a TRW, it was because you chose to do it. This is a REALLY BIG DEAL!!!!! Tailwinds, Doug Rozendaal Tailwinds, Doug Rozendaal dougr@petroblend.com www.petroblend.com/dougr