RV-List Digest Archive

Thu 03/03/05


Total Messages Posted: 40



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 02:56 AM - Re: New Van's RV-12? (owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com)
     2. 04:03 AM - Re: Teflon tape on gas line thread, OK?? (Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club)
     3. 04:46 AM - Re: Compass Calibration (Charles Heathco)
     4. 05:34 AM - vor/gs/loc antenna (rveighta)
     5. 05:39 AM - Awesome RC Vids. (Steve Struyk)
     6. 05:45 AM - Re: vor/gs/loc antenna (Pat Hatch)
     7. 06:51 AM - Re: vor/gs/loc antenna (Bob C.)
     8. 06:54 AM - Re: FP vs. CS - Safety Issues (Denis Walsh)
     9. 07:15 AM - Re: Awesome RC Vids. (Wayne @ Aircraft Engravers)
    10. 07:37 AM - Re: Cruise performance data  (LeastDrag93066@aol.com)
    11. 08:06 AM - Re: FP vs. CS - Safety Issues (LeastDrag93066@aol.com)
    12. 09:06 AM - More fun (Rick Galati)
    13. 09:06 AM - More fun (Rick Galati)
    14. 09:34 AM - Dynon EFIS-D10 VS EFIS-D10A (Dale Mitchell)
    15. 09:35 AM - Re: vor/gs/loc antenna (RV6 Flyer)
    16. 11:35 AM - Re: More fun ()
    17. 12:10 PM - Builder Feedback Requested for Kitplanes Magazine (Alternative Engines) (Cory Emberson)
    18. 12:44 PM - Re: vor/gs/loc antenna (Jeff Dowling)
    19. 12:55 PM - Re: FP vs. CS - Safety Issues (owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com)
    20. 01:09 PM - Using Sika 295 UV for the Canopy (Garey Wittich)
    21. 02:05 PM - Re: Dynon EFIS-D10 VS EFIS-D10A (Ed Holyoke)
    22. 03:06 PM - Re: Using Sika 295 UV for the Canopy (gert)
    23. 03:16 PM - misc avionics for sale (Bob)
    24. 04:25 PM - Re: Garmin 196 problem (Dan Morrow)
    25. 04:30 PM - Wing Levelers & Standing on My Head (Kyle Boatright)
    26. 04:51 PM - Re: Headset audio wire broken at phone jack (Tom Barnes)
    27. 04:55 PM - Re: Dynon EFIS-D10 VS EFIS-D10A (Larry Bowen)
    28. 04:58 PM - Re: Wing Levelers & Standing on My Head (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
    29. 05:07 PM - Re: Wing Levelers & Standing on My Head (Sam Buchanan)
    30. 05:29 PM - Re: Van's Aircraft Belt Buckles For Sale (Richard Scott)
    31. 06:59 PM - Re: Wing Levelers & Standing on My Head (Stein Bruch)
    32. 07:00 PM - Re: Dynon EFIS-D10 VS EFIS-D10A (Stein Bruch)
    33. 07:15 PM - exhaust hanger clearance (sarg314)
    34. 07:35 PM - Re: exhaust hanger clearance (Charles Heathco)
    35. 08:15 PM - Re: Wing Levelers & Standing on My Head (Greg Young)
    36. 08:21 PM - Prop Governor Oil Line (Charlie Brame)
    37. 09:14 PM - Re: Garmin 196 problem (Jeff Bertsch)
    38. 10:14 PM - Re: Wing Levelers & Standing on My Head (Edward Cole)
    39. 10:33 PM - Re: Dynon EFIS-D10 VS EFIS-D10A (Mickey Coggins)
    40. 10:58 PM - F.I. to FAB Spacer (j1j2h3@juno.com)
 
 
 


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    Time: 02:56:37 AM PST US
    From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
    Subject: New Van's RV-12?
    --> RV-List message posted by: I must confess. At first I thought it was a real airplane - on take off, was impressed by the roll right after takeoff - my thought was, this guy must be an expert among experts. Then it dawned on me that it was an RC - until the finish I thought it was an RC. The posts gave away the truth - gullible I fell for it hook and sinker. Very impressive. Michle RV8 - wings > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list- > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Vanartsdalen > Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 10:03 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: New Van's RV-12? > > --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com> > > For me, the airshow smoke is what gave it away. It just perfectly > disappears at a set distance behind the plane. There should be a haze of > smoke around but no, it just... disappears. The plane also accelerates > dramatically when it does fast rolls. But other than that I agree it was > a great simulation. > > Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com> wrote:--> RV-List message posted by: > Matt Dralle > > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Hansen" > > > >Can this be the next RV? > > > >http://www.midcountyrc.com/videocorner/AFPD.wmv > > Listers, > > Now that you've watched this awesome video, realize that this ISN'T a real > video of a real Radio Controlled model airplane!! Yes, that's what I > said. Any of you that have your roots in Radio Controlled airplanes no > doubt watched in amazement wondering just how someone could fly like > that. Well, guess what... This is actually a 3D Graphics simulator for the > PC. Yup, that's right!! I was blown away. I kept wondering how they > could fly a plane like that, especially when they bounced it off the tail > in the one scene where it was in hover flight. The other give away is when > the plane flew/hovered around the pilot/camera. Did you notice that there > wasn't any smoke. In hover, the plane would be running at very high power > setting and would generate a lot of smoke (2-stroke engine), but it wasn't > in that particular maneuver. You'll also notice in that same scene when > the plane is very close to the camera, that the plane has a different, > kind > of "fake" look to it compared to the background; another giveaway. Also, > the plane flew around the camera, but you never saw the person with the > Control flying it. Maybe he was wearing a "head-cam", but I doubt it... :- > ) > > All in all, though, this is an amazing simulation! Most people would be > completely fooled. Makes you wonder if the whole war-in-Iraq was really > just a 3D simulation... Hum, so where did all of that money go...? > > Here is a link to the company that sells the 3D Model software: > > https://sslsites.de/ikarus- > modellbau.de/onlineshop/usa/onlineshop/index.html > > COOL! > > The Spoiler, > > Matt Dralle > > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft > > > -- > Scott VanArtsdalen > RV-4 N311SV, FLYING!! > > When a man does all he can > though it succeeds not well, > blame not him that did it." > -- George Washington > > > > >


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    Time: 04:03:24 AM PST US
    From: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" <sisson@consolidated.net>
    Subject: Re: Teflon tape on gas line thread, OK??
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" <sisson@consolidated.net> Kevin Horton wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com> > > > > >>--> RV-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org> >> >>If Teflon tape would disolve in gas, oil or 5606, everything would be >>o.k. >>It doesn't and there in lies the problem. I wrote a rather lengthy >>article >>in the February 2005 of Sport Pilot. And here is the text... >> >>To Tape or Not to Tape; That is the question! >> >> >> >> ><-- a bunch of good stuff removed by Kevin Horton --> > > > >>BUT if the fitting using the tape is ever removed and re-installed, >>the tape >>shards from the first use are in the fitting threads. It is easy to >>clean >>the male fitting as you can see when you have it all removed. It is >>almost >>impossible to remove the tape remains from the female internal >>threads. Any >>pieces that are missed get forced into your system when the fitting >>re-assembled. They will be circulated through the system whether it is >>fuel, >>oil, air or vacuum until these pieces get to a small opening, like a >>carb >>jet. It will plug it up. The engine will stop, or not get proper >>lubrication. >> >> >> ><-- a bunch more good stuff removed --> > >I have one question for the experts - what happens if we use some other >product, like Teflon PST, and we later remove and re-install a fitting? > Isn't there a risk of pieces of the solidified sealant residue in the >female fitting getting pushed into the system when the male one is >screwed back in? How is a piece of Teflon PST in my fuel system any >safer than a piece of Teflon tape? > >What am I missing? > >I'm not suggesting that Teflon tape is OK, I'm just trying to learn why >some other products are not just as risky. > >Kevin Horton >Ottawa, Canada >RV-8 - Finishing Kit >http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8 > > They are just as risky, if not used properly........ Phil do not archive


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    Time: 04:46:01 AM PST US
    From: "Charles Heathco" <cheathco@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Compass Calibration
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Heathco" <cheathco@comcast.net> I evidently didnt get this orig post re who do you think you are??? charlie heathco ----- Original Message ----- From: "BPA" <BPA@bpaengines.com> Subject: RE: RV-List: Compass Calibration --> RV-List message posted by: "BPA" <BPA@BPAENGINES.COM> OK Guys, you have asked a legitimate question, to wit: " who do you think you are "? So I'll tell you. I am a guy who has built 2 airplanes, rebuilt a classic airplane, maintained several airplanes, maintained a Certificated Repair Station for over 20 years. But most importantly, I have lost more than a dozen very good friends from Them making bad decisions with Experimental Category Airplanes. I think that more than qualifies me to make the statement I made. Monty Barrett -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stein Bruch Subject: RE: RV-List: Compass Calibration --> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com> Hi Ron, This is one of the caveats that people really need to consider when panel mounting a compass. A large percentage of them suffer from un-resolveable errors when the avionics are turned on. Simple EMF makes it difficult to get a panel mounted compass to be calibtrated correctly. That being said, they seem to work in some installations in some planes so I'm not totally against it. But, the majority of what I see for panel mounted compasses in a panel with any sort of avionics present usually results in a compass that never works quite right until everything is turned off! Just my 2 cents as usual. Cheers, Stein. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ron Brown Subject: RV-List: Compass Calibration --> RV-List message posted by: "Ron Brown" <romott@adelphia.net> I have a vertical card compass mounted in my instrument panel that has an error that I have not been able to calibrate out: At North, It indicates 15 degrees At South, it indicates 165 degrees At east and west it is dead on. If I adjust the error out at north - make it read 0, then it reads 150 when pointed south or vise versa - if I calibrate the error out at south - make it read 180, then it reads 30 degrees when pointed north. I understand that a small magnet(s) can be mounted near the compass to help take these errors out. I have tried this I am not having much luck in removing these errors. Any one have any experience in correcting these errors? THANKS Ronnie


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    Time: 05:34:44 AM PST US
    From: rveighta <rveighta@earthlink.net>
    Subject: vor/gs/loc antenna
    --> RV-List message posted by: rveighta <rveighta@earthlink.net> Guys, I'm building an IFR RV-8 and I need to decide what antenna(s) I'll need and where to mount them. The Comant CI-215 covers picks up VOR, GS & LOC signals, but I would prefer mounting an antenna or antennas in the wingtip(s) that does the same thing. From the archives it appears that Bob Archer's Vor wingtip antenna works well, but I found no reference to glide slope does this antenna also pick up these signals? Or can it be modified to do so? Aslo, when used as a VOR antenna, I would assume that you would not need such an antenna in each wing? If I can't go with a triple function wingtip antenna, I guess the next best would be a belly mount of the CI-215 as some have done. Are those of you who have gone this route pleased with the recption, esthetics, etc.? Walt Shipley RV-8A Flying RV-8 Finishing


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    Time: 05:39:06 AM PST US
    From: "Steve Struyk" <rv8striker@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Awesome RC Vids.
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Struyk" <rv8striker@hotmail.com> I realize this is way off the subject for an RV list, but in light of the recent posts on RC's, I thought some readers might enjoy these. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1348459/posts Do not archive Steve Struyk RV-8 Finish


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    Time: 05:45:35 AM PST US
    From: "Pat Hatch" <pat_hatch@msn.com>
    Subject: vor/gs/loc antenna
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" <pat_hatch@msn.com> Walt, I have Bob Archer's VOR antenna in two IFR airplanes, RV-6 and -7, both work really well for VOR and ILS reception. Only one antenna is required for VOR reception...you will have to add an outer marker antenna of some sort. I used Bob's copper foil kit for this purpose, also glassed into one of the wing tips. No need for the external belly antenna... Pat Hatch -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rveighta Subject: RV-List: vor/gs/loc antenna --> RV-List message posted by: rveighta <rveighta@earthlink.net> Guys, I'm building an IFR RV-8 and I need to decide what antenna(s) I'll need and where to mount them. The Comant CI-215 covers picks up VOR, GS & LOC signals, but I would prefer mounting an antenna or antennas in the wingtip(s) that does the same thing. From the archives it appears that Bob Archer's Vor wingtip antenna works well, but I found no reference to glide slope does this antenna also pick up these signals? Or can it be modified to do so? Aslo, when used as a VOR antenna, I would assume that you would not need such an antenna in each wing? If I can't go with a triple function wingtip antenna, I guess the next best would be a belly mount of the CI-215 as some have done. Are those of you who have gone this route pleased with the recption, esthetics, etc.? Walt Shipley RV-8A Flying RV-8 Finishing


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    Time: 06:51:41 AM PST US
    From: "Bob C. " <flyboy.bob@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: vor/gs/loc antenna
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob C. " <flyboy.bob@gmail.com> The esthetics no doubt would be better with the wing tip ant (which should also work for Loc/GS). But, I've been lead to believe reception will be better with the belly mount?! Regards, Bob On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 08:33:11 -0500 (GMT-05:00), rveighta <rveighta@earthlink.net> wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: rveighta <rveighta@earthlink.net> > > Guys, I'm building an IFR RV-8 and I need to decide what antenna(s) I'll need and where to mount them. The Comant CI-215 covers picks up VOR, GS & LOC signals, but I would prefer mounting an antenna or antennas in the wingtip(s) that does the same thing. > > From the archives it appears that Bob Archer's Vor wingtip antenna works well, but I found no reference to glide slope does this antenna also pick up these signals? Or can it be modified to do so? Aslo, when used as a VOR antenna, I would assume that you would not need such an antenna in each wing? > > If I can't go with a triple function wingtip antenna, I guess the next best would be a belly mount of the CI-215 > as some have done. Are those of you who have gone this route pleased with the recption, esthetics, etc.? > > Walt Shipley RV-8A Flying RV-8 Finishing > > >


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    Time: 06:54:31 AM PST US
    From: Denis Walsh <denis.walsh@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: FP vs. CS - Safety Issues
    --> RV-List message posted by: Denis Walsh <denis.walsh@comcast.net> > Matt. of I had firm definitive information what would I be doing on > this list?? I have been flying a few years and have experience. he RV is a lousy glider, slightly more lousy with C/S in flat pitch. No oil pressure and you are in similar straits with either. Good oil pressure you may have pitch control but dare not count on it. Always practice with idle and flat pitch. No big safety issue difference in my experience. For me no significant difference. If you want and need C/S I certainly wouldn't rule it out because of safety differences. I cannot justify C/S with an RV because it performs so great with F/P. Too much extra dough. But hell I got one anyway and I love it. It gives me afterburner and speed brakes not to mention aerobatics with no throttle jocking. So much for definitive information. Do not archive. Denis > > Although my mission profile dictates a CS prop, if I cannot get a > satisfactory answer to rest my mind as to what happens given these > scenarios, I might feel forced into choosing a FP. > > > FP vs. CS has been one of our wars however the safety issue remains and > objective appraisal as to the consequences of different scenarios and > how to > handle them. Please listers, could you possibly respond only if you > have > firm definitive information or experience on the CS engine failure > issue? >


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    Time: 07:15:47 AM PST US
    From: "Wayne @ Aircraft Engravers" <wayne@engravers.net>
    Subject: Re: Awesome RC Vids.
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne @ Aircraft Engravers" <wayne@engravers.net> I was impressed. That is one way to make a grown man cry. Do Not Archive Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Struyk" <rv8striker@hotmail.com> Subject: RV-List: Awesome RC Vids. > --> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Struyk" <rv8striker@hotmail.com> > > I realize this is way off the subject for an RV list, but in light of the > recent posts on RC's, I thought some readers might enjoy these. > > http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1348459/posts > > Do not archive > > Steve Struyk > RV-8 > Finish > > >


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    Time: 07:37:10 AM PST US
    From: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Cruise performance data
    --> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com Hi All, Chris and George seem to be discussing maximum theoretical propeller efficiency. Theoretical propeller efficiency: 91.5% for a 2 blade propeller 90.7% for a 3 blade propeller. Empirical data (actual measurements) shows real 2 blade propellers have around 87% to 88% propeller efficiency. What does this really mean? For a 2 blade propeller at 87% efficiency on an aircraft able to fly at 200 mph. The theoretical 2 blade propeller at 91.5% efficiency would allow the aircraft to fly at 205 mph. (How about some of you data types checking this information?) For a 200 mph aircraft, that's about 1 mph for every 1% change in efficiency. Which is what Chris said for the difference in theoretical propeller efficiency between a 2 blade propeller and a 3 blade propeller. Regards, Jim Ayers In a message dated 03/03/2005 3:56:04 AM Pacific Standard Time, rv-list-digest@matronics.com writes: I can't speak to the specifics about any particular 2 vs 3 blade prop, but I read some NASA research that gave relative efficiencies for various numbers of blades. I know that had 2, 3 and 4 blade props in their data and maybe more. As you pointed out, more blades are less efficient, however the difference in efficiency between a 2 and a 3 bladed prop is very small. I don't remember the exact numbers, but I do remember calculating that at 200 mph, the difference would be no more than 1 mph. -- Chris W


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    Time: 08:06:50 AM PST US
    From: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
    Subject: Re: FP vs. CS - Safety Issues
    --> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com Hi All, The Rocket pilots found one answer to your safety concerns with a CS propeller. The counterweighted blade propeller goes to a coarse pitch with the loss of oil pressure. The "standard" CS propeller goes to fine pitch with the loss of oil pressure. (Sale pitch - Ignore if this offends you.) The MT 3 blade propeller with counterweighted blades weighs almost as much as the "standard" 2 blade Hartzell. Another answer is the electric CS propeller. The propeller blade angle is independent of oil pressure. The propeller blades are almost feathered at coarse pitch with the MT electric CS propeller on my RV-3. (The 3 blade MT propeller on my RV-3 propeller weighs 39 pounds. Limited to 160 hp max.) (More sales pitch) Did I mention that MT Propeller custom designs propellers? Both fixed pitch and constant speed (CS) propellers? Regards, Jim Ayers In a message dated 03/03/2005 3:56:04 AM Pacific Standard Time, rv-list-digest@matronics.com writes: Subject: RV-List: FP vs. CS - Safety Issues --> RV-List message posted by: (Stuff cut) Safety! This is one issue which has been batted around; it concerns CS and power failure mainly for hydraulic governors. I am not sure I am quite at ease as to what would happen under different scenarios: - cruise speed, zero power =96 engine continues to windmill thereby maintaining the oil pressure up =96 pilot has control of the pitch =96 he can optimize his rate of decent. - short final and zero power =96 does the prop go to low pitch hence acts as a brake thereby forcing he pilot to push on the stick? - Is there a minimum speed to maintain to ensure windmilling hence maintain enough oil pressure to control the governor? - Oil pressure failure at any speed.- what happens then? - Engine stops (zero RPM =96 valve, con rod=85 failure) =96 what happens? Although my mission profile dictates a CS prop, if I cannot get a satisfactory answer to rest my mind as to what happens given these scenarios, I might feel forced into choosing a FP. FP vs. CS has been one of our wars however the safety issue remains and objective appraisal as to the consequences of different scenarios and how to handle them. Please listers, could you possibly respond only if you have firm definitive information or experience on the CS engine failure issue? Mich=E8le =96 RV8 Planning on IO-360 - Superior, Mattituck or Lycoming (no implied preference at this time). (stuff cut)


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    Time: 09:06:02 AM PST US
    From: Rick Galati <rick6a@yahoo.com>
    Subject: More fun
    --> RV-List message posted by: Rick Galati <rick6a@yahoo.com> If after 7 seconds, some of you guys bought that RC video as the real thing, I'm sure you can suspend disbelief for this one!


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    Time: 09:06:02 AM PST US
    From: Rick Galati <rick6a@yahoo.com>
    Subject: More fun
    --> RV-List message posted by: Rick Galati <rick6a@yahoo.com> http://www.compfused.com/directlink/609/


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    Time: 09:34:58 AM PST US
    From: Dale Mitchell <dfm4290@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Dynon EFIS-D10 VS EFIS-D10A
    --> RV-List message posted by: Dale Mitchell <dfm4290@yahoo.com> Is it worth upgrading my dynon EFIS-D10 to a EFIS-D10A? Thanks Dale Mitchell __________________________________ http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/


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    Time: 09:35:10 AM PST US
    From: "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer@hotmail.com>
    Subject: vor/gs/loc antenna
    --> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer@hotmail.com> Walt: Yes Bob Archer's antenna is good for GS, ILS, and VOR. On the SL-30 radio, there is only one coax connection and the one antenna works great. On the Garmin radios, you will need a splitter from one antenna to two radio jacks. The Marker Beakon antenna is separate. My suggestion is a home made one as Bob recommends. Gary A. Sobek "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell, 1,636 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA http://SoCAL_WVAF.rvproject.com ----Original Message Follows---- From: rveighta <rveighta@earthlink.net> Subject: RV-List: vor/gs/loc antenna --> RV-List message posted by: rveighta <rveighta@earthlink.net> Guys, I'm building an IFR RV-8 and I need to decide what antenna(s) I'll need and where to mount them. The Comant CI-215 covers picks up VOR, GS & LOC signals, but I would prefer mounting an antenna or antennas in the wingtip(s) that does the same thing. From the archives it appears that Bob Archer's Vor wingtip antenna works well, but I found no reference to glide slope does this antenna also pick up these signals? Or can it be modified to do so? Aslo, when used as a VOR antenna, I would assume that you would not need such an antenna in each wing? If I can't go with a triple function wingtip antenna, I guess the next best would be a belly mount of the CI-215 as some have done. Are those of you who have gone this route pleased with the recption, esthetics, etc.? Walt Shipley RV-8A Flying RV-8 Finishing


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    Time: 11:35:41 AM PST US
    From: <smileyburnett@charter.net>
    Subject: Re: More fun
    --> RV-List message posted by: <smileyburnett@charter.net> >Neato Ron


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    Time: 12:10:29 PM PST US
    From: "Cory Emberson" <bootless@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Builder Feedback Requested for Kitplanes Magazine (Alternative
    Engines) --> RV-List message posted by: "Cory Emberson" <bootless@earthlink.net> Hello everyone, I've subscribed (quietly) to this list for a little more than a year, and would like to hear from you if you're a builder who has successfully installed and flown an alternative engine in your plane. I'm writing a builder's roundup for Kitplanes magazine, and am looking for an installation that's flown for a minimum of 150 hours, and is currently flying. For the builders that we profile, the magazine will also be able to pay you $100 for the write-up. We would also need at least 2-3 good photos, including a close-up of the engine and an overall shot of the aircraft. Additional photos would be great, and all photos will be returned. If you have digital photos, it is very important that they be high-resolution, at least 300 dpi. I have a list of specific areas to address if you'd like to participate, but we can handle that off-line. Please feel free to contact me off-line at: cory @ lightspeededit.com (remove the spaces - my anti-spam protection) or reply offline to my list email address. I have a rather short deadline, so if you're able to contact me as soon as you're able, I would greatly appreciate it! Thank you so much! best, Cory Emberson


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    Time: 12:44:34 PM PST US
    From: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: vor/gs/loc antenna
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling2@earthlink.net> One of Bob's in your wingtip will do it all. You'll have to put a strip of AL in there on the opposite side of the wingtip for your marker beacon. Bobs directions cover it. It also works great as an FM antenna! Shemp/Jeff Dowling RV-6A, N915JD 165 hours Chicago/Louisville ----- Original Message ----- From: "rveighta" <rveighta@earthlink.net> Subject: RV-List: vor/gs/loc antenna > --> RV-List message posted by: rveighta <rveighta@earthlink.net> > > Guys, I'm building an IFR RV-8 and I need to decide what antenna(s) I'll > need and where to mount them. The Comant CI-215 covers picks up VOR, GS & > LOC signals, but I would prefer mounting an antenna or antennas in the > wingtip(s) that does the same thing. > > From the archives it appears that Bob Archer's Vor wingtip antenna works > well, but I found no reference to glide slope does this antenna also pick > up these signals? Or can it be modified to do so? Aslo, when used as a > VOR antenna, I would assume that you would not need such an antenna in > each wing? > > If I can't go with a triple function wingtip antenna, I guess the next > best would be a belly mount of the CI-215 > as some have done. Are those of you who have gone this route pleased with > the recption, esthetics, etc.? > > Walt Shipley RV-8A Flying RV-8 Finishing > > >


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    Time: 12:55:51 PM PST US
    From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
    Subject: FP vs. CS - Safety Issues
    --> RV-List message posted by: Guys, I'd like to thank you all who responded knowledgeably on the safety aspects of the CS vs. FP prop. Your responses have cleared some misconceptions on my part and given me enough to ask the right questions when the time comes to decide. At this time, I am confident that hydraulic constant speed is best suited for my mission profile (I hate jargon but this term seems to be pretty well understood by you all) - it will then be a question as to which prop on which governor on which engine. Safety issues will then have to be worked out on the basis of testing given different scenarios. Michele Delsol (my first name takes an accent on the first 'e' but the Matronics list does not seem to like accents). RV8 - Wings - France PS - I chose hydraulic over electric CS because I read somewhere that electric was to slow for aerobatics. (Please do not respond unless one of you guys feels that I am mistaken.)


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    Time: 01:09:21 PM PST US
    From: Garey Wittich <gareywittich2000@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Using Sika 295 UV for the Canopy
    --> RV-List message posted by: Garey Wittich <gareywittich2000@yahoo.com> One Builder, on the RV List, mentioned that if Sika 295UV is to applied on Metal or Plexiglass after the Primer has dried for 2 hours, the old Primer needs to be cleaned and another coat of Primer applied. No other Builders on the RV List have mentioned this. What is the truth ????? This would be important especially when the WHOLE Canopy is basically "tacked" in place with the Sika 295 (using spacers between the Plexi and Frame), allowed to cure then cut into Slider and Windscreen - more than 2 hours will have passed. Does the black exposed Primer need to be cleaned and then reapplied again before Fillets are applied and the gaps between the steel canopy frame and the canopy are filled in. ???? Thanks, Garey RV8A


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    Time: 02:05:33 PM PST US
    From: "Ed Holyoke" <bicyclop@pacbell.net>
    Subject: Dynon EFIS-D10 VS EFIS-D10A
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" <bicyclop@pacbell.net> I asked the Dynon folks that question face to face at Copperstate and they said they didn't think so. The advances are incremental and not earthshaking in my opinion. Pax, Ed Holyoke -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dale Mitchell Subject: RV-List: Dynon EFIS-D10 VS EFIS-D10A --> RV-List message posted by: Dale Mitchell <dfm4290@yahoo.com> Is it worth upgrading my dynon EFIS-D10 to a EFIS-D10A? Thanks Dale Mitchell __________________________________ http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/


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    Time: 03:06:27 PM PST US
    From: gert <gert.v@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: Using Sika 295 UV for the Canopy
    --> RV-List message posted by: gert <gert.v@sbcglobal.net> Garey Wittich wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Garey Wittich <gareywittich2000@yahoo.com> > > One Builder, on the RV List, mentioned that if Sika >295UV is to applied on Metal or Plexiglass after the >Primer has dried for 2 hours, the old Primer needs to >be cleaned and another coat of Primer applied. No >other Builders on the RV List have mentioned this. >What is the truth ????? This would be important >especially when the WHOLE Canopy is basically "tacked" >in place with the Sika 295 (using spacers between the >Plexi and Frame), allowed to cure then cut into Slider >and Windscreen - more than 2 hours will have passed. >Does the black exposed Primer need to be cleaned and >then reapplied again before Fillets are applied and >the gaps between the steel canopy frame and the canopy >are filled in. ???? > >Thanks, Garey RV8A > > > > Why not call Sika, I found to be very pleasant to deal with, very helpfull in application techniques. As far as I can remember from talking with Sika, you put a bead on as advertized in SIKA's app.notes (on the web) and fill in the spacer area later as well as applying a 'look good' bead over the first bead. -- is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500


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    Time: 03:16:33 PM PST US
    From: "Bob" <rpgross@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: misc avionics for sale
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob" <rpgross@bellsouth.net> Hi all, I'm building a new panel and upgrading avionic$. Am selling: Dynon Autopilot and servo system with internal Smart Coupler. cost $1350, ask 1000. Sorry, I won't split up these parts, they go as a set. 120 hours since new and you get a free ride in an F1 Rocket to see it work! All engine instruments from Vans, Oil P, Oil Temp, Manifold Pressure w/transducer, CHT, Tach w/transducer. Please make reasonable offer. Aerospace Logic Six channel digital EGT analyzer. 120 hours since new. uses standard type K probes. Can be configured for 4 or 6 cylinder engines. New $383, asking $250 http://www.aerospacelogic.com/ All instruments are in mint condition and look new. For those of you following the F1 progress, the in-flight computer/power supply and 12.1" LCD display will be for sale soon as well. A new system is being built to replace it. Warmest Regards, Bob Gross For the latest F1 Rocket/Synthetic Vision progress, click here... www.F1-RocketBoy.com <http://www.f1-rocketboy.com/> -----Disclaimer--------- The contents of this E-mail (including contents of enclosure/(s) or attachment/(s) if any are privileged & confidential material of Innovative Aviation Systems Inc. or RocketBoy Aircraft Products Inc. and should not be disclosed to, used by, or copied in any manner by anyone other than intended addressee/(s).If this E-mail (including enclosure/(s) or attachment/(s) if any has been received in error, please advise sender immediately and delete it from your system. The views expressed in this E-mail message (including enclosure/(s) or attachment/(s) if any are those of the individual sender.


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    Time: 04:25:50 PM PST US
    From: "Dan Morrow" <DanFM01@butter.toast.net>
    Subject: Re: Garmin 196 problem
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Morrow" <DanFM01@butter.toast.net> The Garmin 196 runs the clock even when you power it off. I believe this helps it get a fast satellite lock on when you power up. My experience is that it takes several months to run the batteries down. If it runs down very rapidly, it must be failing to get power from the power cord some how. Dan Morrow RV8A Building Empennage slowly ----- Original Message ----- > --> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Bertsch <noms1reqd@yahoo.com> > > Both Bryan Jones and I have a the same problem with our Garmin 196: > > we have the GPS connected to onboard power, but the batteries keep going dead after a short period of time, even though we are not using them on battery power. I have also found a pilot on the Beechlist who has the same problem. > > Is there anyone else on the RV-list experiencing this? > > Jeff Bertsch > lonestarsquadron.com > > > --------------------------------- > > ---


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    Time: 04:30:22 PM PST US
    From: "Kyle Boatright" <kboatright1@comcast.net>
    Subject: Wing Levelers & Standing on My Head
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kboatright1@comcast.net> I'm very tempted (make that very, very tempted) to add a wing leveler to my airplane. Only three things are holding me back: 1) The cost. As with all airplane related expenses, I'm sure I'll get over it. 2) My big concern - installation time. Assuming I go with the under - seat servo installation in my RV-6, how many hours am I going to have to spend standing on my head, drilling holes and <shriek!!> "making things fit". Aside to pre-punched RV builders - "Just make it fit" used to be Van's mantra when you called the tech support line. Given that there are 3,000+ non-prepunched kits flying, it was good advise. 3) Control feel. I'm told by some that even with the wing leveler turned off, there is additional drag in the control system. Is this true for all installations? If so, how noticable is it? Thanks in advance. KB


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    Time: 04:51:00 PM PST US
    From: "Tom Barnes" <skytop@megsinet.net>
    Subject: Re: Headset audio wire broken at phone jack
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Barnes" <skytop@megsinet.net> Thanks for the suggestion Dan, I called ASA and they said just send it back. It has a life time warranty. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: <Hopperdhh@aol.com> Subject: Re: RV-List: Headset audio wire broken at phone jack > --> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com > > > Tom > > You don't say what brand the headsets are. I had a similar problem with my > Lightspeed 20XLs. I called them, and they sent me new cables including the > battery box for free -- for 2 headsets. They were about 3 years old. No > questions asked. Great company. I'll buy from them again. > > Dan Hopper > Walton, IN > RV-7A (Flying) > > > In a message dated 2/24/05 6:45:42 P.M. US Eastern Standard Time, > skytop@megsinet.net writes: > > List, > I must have a broken wire in ear tone side of my headsets. I can wiggle the > wire and cause on/off sound. Because the wire is broken within the molded > heat shrink from the wire to the phone jack, I don't want to rush in and cut > it open to repair it. > Are there any tricks to opening it up and putting it back together keeping > the whole thing neat? Or is this one of those types of things everyone does > regardless of the mess and just not worry about it? Or third, send it to the > factory for repair? > > I'd appreciate all comments. > > Tom Barnes > Buffalo Grove, IL > >


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    Time: 04:55:53 PM PST US
    From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
    Subject: Dynon EFIS-D10 VS EFIS-D10A
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com> I've pondered the same thing. I DO WISH that they would make some of the same SIMPLE software changes for the D10 that they have made for the D10A, like having a Fahrenheit option and always showing the altimeter on the main screen..... - Larry Bowen, RV-8 70 Hrs with D10 Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com > -----Original Message----- > --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" <bicyclop@pacbell.net> > > I asked the Dynon folks that question face to face at > Copperstate and they said they didn't think so. The advances > are incremental and not earthshaking in my opinion. > > Pax, > > Ed Holyoke > > > -----Original Message----- > > --> RV-List message posted by: Dale Mitchell <dfm4290@yahoo.com> > > Is it worth upgrading my dynon EFIS-D10 to a EFIS-D10A? > Thanks > Dale Mitchell


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    Time: 04:58:59 PM PST US
    From: Hopperdhh@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Wing Levelers & Standing on My Head
    --> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com Kyle, Install the servo in the wing just outboard of the aileron bellcrank. If the RV-6 is like the RV-7 you can sandwich a bracket under the bellcrank brackets to mount the servo. I put nutplates in the spar web, but saw a picture posted using the bellcrank bolts. Hopefully, that person will reply also. You will only need a pushrod about 4 inches long. And you won't have to stand on your head to install it. There is almost no drag with the Navaid servo. Dan Hopper Walton, In RV-7A (Flying since July) In a message dated 3/3/05 7:31:11 P.M. US Eastern Standard Time, kboatright1@comcast.net writes: 2) My big concern - installation time. Assuming I go with the under - seat servo installation in my RV-6, how many hours am I going to have to spend standing on my head, drilling holes and <shriek!!> "making things fit". Aside to pre-punched RV builders - "Just make it fit" used to be Van's mantra when you called the tech support line. Given that there are 3,000+ non-prepunched kits flying, it was good advise. 3) Control feel. I'm told by some that even with the wing leveler turned off, there is additional drag in the control system. Is this true for all installations? If so, how noticable is it? Thanks in advance. KB


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    Time: 05:07:12 PM PST US
    From: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
    Subject: Re: Wing Levelers & Standing on My Head
    --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net> Kyle Boatright wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" > <kboatright1@comcast.net> > > I'm very tempted (make that very, very tempted) to add a wing leveler > to my airplane. Only three things are holding me back: > > 1) The cost. As with all airplane related expenses, I'm sure I'll > get over it. Kyle, you will wonder why you didn't install the wing leveler sooner! > > 2) My big concern - installation time. Assuming I go with the under > - seat servo installation in my RV-6, how many hours am I going to > have to spend standing on my head, drilling holes and <shriek!!> > "making things fit". Aside to pre-punched RV builders - "Just make > it fit" used to be Van's mantra when you called the tech support > line. Given that there are 3,000+ non-prepunched kits flying, it was > good advise. If you use the Navaid servo, mount it on the wing tip rib: http://www.thervjournal.com/navaid.html This is by far the easiest install method in a flying RV. Matter of fact, this is where I would mount a Navaid servo if I was building the plane. Reason I mentioned the Navaid servo, it is much lighter than the TruTrak servo. Don't know if the TruTrak servo would be heavy enough to make you think twice about a wing tip mount, but the Navaid servo's impact is unnoticeable when flying. Biggest hassle will be running the control wires if you don't have a conduit in the wing. If you can push them down an existing conduit, you are well on your way. You still have to find a way to get the wires from behind the spar to the panel, but hey........you built a non-prepunched kit......don't wimp out on us now!!!! :-) > > 3) Control feel. I'm told by some that even with the wing leveler > turned off, there is additional drag in the control system. Is this > true for all installations? If so, how noticable is it? The Navaid servo has a solenoid-driven clutch that totally disengages when power is removed. There is *no* drag when it is disengaged. The TruTrak servo is a stepping motor that is connected all the time and you can feel a *little* drag while moving the controls on the ground, but you would never notice it in the air. Ok, Kyle, no more excuses........... ;-) Sam Buchanan


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    Time: 05:29:19 PM PST US
    From: Richard Scott <rscott@cascadeaccess.com>
    Subject: Re: Van's Aircraft Belt Buckles For Sale
    --> RV-List message posted by: Richard Scott <rscott@cascadeaccess.com> What, no aluminum version?


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    Time: 06:59:12 PM PST US
    From: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
    Subject: Wing Levelers & Standing on My Head
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com> Kyle, Either do as the two previous guys suggested and put it on the wingtip or...Trutrak sends a bracket with their RV-6 install kit that puts the servo under the seat. Either place doesn't seem to take too much time to install. Just my 2 cents. Cheers, Stein. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kyle Boatright Subject: RV-List: Wing Levelers & Standing on My Head --> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kboatright1@comcast.net> I'm very tempted (make that very, very tempted) to add a wing leveler to my airplane. Only three things are holding me back: 1) The cost. As with all airplane related expenses, I'm sure I'll get over it. 2) My big concern - installation time. Assuming I go with the under - seat servo installation in my RV-6, how many hours am I going to have to spend standing on my head, drilling holes and <shriek!!> "making things fit". Aside to pre-punched RV builders - "Just make it fit" used to be Van's mantra when you called the tech support line. Given that there are 3,000+ non-prepunched kits flying, it was good advise. 3) Control feel. I'm told by some that even with the wing leveler turned off, there is additional drag in the control system. Is this true for all installations? If so, how noticable is it? Thanks in advance. KB


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    Time: 07:00:36 PM PST US
    From: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
    Subject: Dynon EFIS-D10 VS EFIS-D10A
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com> Hi Dale, In your case, I would say yes. Mainly because you're not yet flying, and there are several advantages to the D-10A over the D-10 that are worth doing before you fly. #1) It feeds a Serial TXPDR with only 2 wires via RS-232 over 14 wires "gray code" #2) Better software, better display options #3) Don't need the laptop in the plane to run the calibration routines. If it were me, (and it is, since I'm flying behind a regular old D-10) I would upgrade it at the point you're at. If I were flying behind one already wired in and feeding my Txpdr via Grey Code, I wouldn't. Just my 2 cents as usual. Cheers, Stein. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dale Mitchell Subject: RV-List: Dynon EFIS-D10 VS EFIS-D10A --> RV-List message posted by: Dale Mitchell <dfm4290@yahoo.com> Is it worth upgrading my dynon EFIS-D10 to a EFIS-D10A? Thanks Dale Mitchell __________________________________ http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/


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    Time: 07:15:45 PM PST US
    From: sarg314 <sarg314@comcast.net>
    Subject: exhaust hanger clearance
    --> RV-List message posted by: sarg314 <sarg314@comcast.net> I just mounted a Larry Vetterman exhaust on my IO360. Larry sure does good work. I'm installing the hangers. A 6A has a lot of engine mount in the way at the bottom of the firewall. How much clearance should I try to maintain between the exhaust hanger and the tubes of the engine mount. I'm guessing that 1/4" to 3/8" is adequate. Or does it have to be 1/2" or more? -- Tom Sargent, RV-6A, engine


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    Time: 07:35:43 PM PST US
    From: "Charles Heathco" <cheathco@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: exhaust hanger clearance
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Heathco" <cheathco@comcast.net> I bought a flying 6a and builder mounted the hangers on the engine mount tubes, attaching with pieces of leather over the tubes themselves, looks and works well, Charlie heathco ----- Original Message ----- From: "sarg314" <sarg314@comcast.net> Subject: RV-List: exhaust hanger clearance --> RV-List message posted by: sarg314 <sarg314@comcast.net> I just mounted a Larry Vetterman exhaust on my IO360. Larry sure does good work. I'm installing the hangers. A 6A has a lot of engine mount in the way at the bottom of the firewall. How much clearance should I try to maintain between the exhaust hanger and the tubes of the engine mount. I'm guessing that 1/4" to 3/8" is adequate. Or does it have to be 1/2" or more? -- Tom Sargent, RV-6A, engine


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    Time: 08:15:31 PM PST US
    From: "Greg Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
    Subject: Wing Levelers & Standing on My Head
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Greg Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com> Before you mount anything under the seat please consider that it's a crush zone. Anything under there can be shoved up you know where in the event of a crash. At least put it under the passenger seat;-) Regards, Greg > > Either do as the two previous guys suggested and put it on > the wingtip or...Trutrak sends a bracket with their RV-6 > install kit that puts the servo under the seat. Either place > doesn't seem to take too much time to install. >


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    Time: 08:21:56 PM PST US
    From: Charlie Brame <chasb@satx.rr.com>
    Subject: Prop Governor Oil Line
    --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Brame <chasb@satx.rr.com> With reference to an 0-320 with a rear mounted governor and a constant speed prop: Is there any reason the prop governor oil line should not run over the top of the engine? The distance is the same or maybe a bit shorter. If it runs over the cylinders, it will penetrate the rear baffle and be on the cool side of the engine. However, most constant speed prop installations seem to have the oil line running below the cylinders (the hot side) and penetrating the engine baffling front floor. Is there a reason for this? Charlie Brame RV-6A N11CB San Antonio


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    Time: 09:14:27 PM PST US
    From: Jeff Bertsch <noms1reqd@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Garmin 196 problem
    --> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Bertsch <noms1reqd@yahoo.com> Thanks for the great suggestion. I'll first need to find a multimeter that can show 50 microamps. I talked with Garmin Tech support today. He said "he heard of problems like that" and that usually updating to the latest OS and doing a hard reboot fixes it. Hmm. Must be a Microsoft windows product. So I guess I'll try it. I downloaded and installed OS Version 3.92 Beta with no problems. This will delete all your User waypoints and Routes, so be sure and save them first. If you don't have MapSource you can use one of the free products like found on www.easygps.com. Here is the master reboot procedure for your Garmin: Turn GPS off Hold down the OUT, QUIT and NRST buttons simultaneously While holding those buttons tap the POWER button The unit will beep but the screen will stay blank (if you press the power button too long, it will just turn on - not what you want) Continue to hold the OUT, QUIT and NRST buttons simultaneously until you hear another beep Release the OUT, QUIT and NRST buttons The GPS now power up on its own and will be reset. It took a couple tries but I got it to work. Note that this also will wipe out all User waypoints and routes. Use at your own risk. No warranty expressed or implied. YMMV. Etc. I don't know how this will fix the power drain problem while connected on onboard power - but we'll see. Jeff Bertsch lonestarsquadron.com Hopperdhh@aol.com wrote: --> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com Jeff, One way to get to the cause of this problem is to measure the battery current. Take a piece of insulator (tape, cardboard, double sided circuit board, etc.) and insulate one battery from the connector -- say at the positive end of the series string, and bring out 2 wires. Or, bring out 2 wires and connect the batteries externally through the meter. Put a multimeter in series and monitor the current drain. Is there a steady drain? 50 to 100 microamps would run the batteries down in a few months. (Be careful not to turn the unit on while on a sensitive range, of course.) If not, is there significant drain during normal operation? Hope this helps, Dan Hopper Walton, IN RV-7A (Flying) In a message dated 3/2/05 7:38:12 A.M. US Eastern Standard Time, Larry@bowenaero.com writes: I may be seeing this also. The batteries that are only meant to be used as back up went dead after only 3 months. I attributed it to the cold weather and the 30 second count-down after main power is removed, but maybe it's something else..... -- Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com Quoting Jeff Bertsch : > --> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Bertsch > > Both Bryan Jones and I have a the same problem with our Garmin 196: > > we have the GPS connected to onboard power, but the batteries keep > going dead after a short period of time, even though we are not using > them on battery power. I have also found a pilot on the Beechlist > who has the same problem. > > Is there anyone else on the RV-list experiencing this? > > Jeff Bertsch


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    Time: 10:14:14 PM PST US
    From: "Edward Cole" <edwardmcole@comcast.net>
    Subject: Wing Levelers & Standing on My Head
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Edward Cole" <edwardmcole@comcast.net> Tony Munday at Safeair1 has just developed a complete wing install kit for the Navaid servo. I just bought one for my -6A for use with the Trio EZ. The price is very reasonable. About $90. Check out the Safeair1 web site. Ed Cole RV6A N2169D -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stein Bruch Subject: RE: RV-List: Wing Levelers & Standing on My Head --> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com> Kyle, Either do as the two previous guys suggested and put it on the wingtip or...Trutrak sends a bracket with their RV-6 install kit that puts the servo under the seat. Either place doesn't seem to take too much time to install. Just my 2 cents. Cheers, Stein. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kyle Boatright Subject: RV-List: Wing Levelers & Standing on My Head --> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kboatright1@comcast.net> I'm very tempted (make that very, very tempted) to add a wing leveler to my airplane. Only three things are holding me back: 1) The cost. As with all airplane related expenses, I'm sure I'll get over it. 2) My big concern - installation time. Assuming I go with the under - seat servo installation in my RV-6, how many hours am I going to have to spend standing on my head, drilling holes and <shriek!!> "making things fit". Aside to pre-punched RV builders - "Just make it fit" used to be Van's mantra when you called the tech support line. Given that there are 3,000+ non-prepunched kits flying, it was good advise. 3) Control feel. I'm told by some that even with the wing leveler turned off, there is additional drag in the control system. Is this true for all installations? If so, how noticable is it? Thanks in advance. KB


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    Time: 10:33:48 PM PST US
    From: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
    Subject: Re: Dynon EFIS-D10 VS EFIS-D10A
    --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch> > #1) It feeds a Serial TXPDR with only 2 wires via RS-232 over 14 wires "gray > code" Which transponders out there use serial input? I was under the impression that there were not too many. -- Mickey Coggins http://www.rv8.ch/ #82007 Wiring


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    Time: 10:58:15 PM PST US
    Subject: F.I. to FAB Spacer
    From: j1j2h3@juno.com
    --> RV-List message posted by: j1j2h3@juno.com Neil Try www.emachineshop.com. You can download a free CAD with tutorial, then make a drawing, and they will give you a quote on making the piece Jim Hasper - RV-7 Giving new meaning to the term "slow build" Franklin, TN Do not archive --> RV-List message posted by: "Neil McLeod" <bedrock@theriver.com> Listers, I=92m looking for someone to machine a spacer to go in between the Bendix servo and the FAB. I=92m looking for a =BE=94 thick aluminum spacer with a flared inlet. I=92m not CAD literate but can fax or scan a drawing.




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