---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 03/07/05: 40 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:08 AM - Re: new goodies from Trio Avionics (SportAV8R@aol.com) 2. 05:04 AM - Panel lighting (Charles Heathco) 3. 05:27 AM - Spongy brake rv-4 (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)) 4. 05:48 AM - Re: Spongy brake rv-4 (linn walters) 5. 05:59 AM - Besr enginr/prop (hosein shafiei) 6. 06:06 AM - Re: Spongy brake rv-4 (Denis Walsh) 7. 06:25 AM - Re: Besr enginr/prop (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)) 8. 06:42 AM - Re: Spongy brake RV-4 (Oldsfolks@aol.com) 9. 06:47 AM - Re: Besr enginr/prop (Kevin Horton) 10. 07:11 AM - Re: Re: Spongy brake RV-4 (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)) 11. 07:12 AM - Re: Spongy brake rv-4 (Pat Hatch) 12. 07:22 AM - Re: Spongy brake rv-4 (Vincent Osburn) 13. 07:23 AM - RV-7 or -7A builder... (Bill VonDane) 14. 08:18 AM - Re: Lightspeed ign. with aft battery (Arnold de Brie) 15. 08:24 AM - Re: Major or Minor Modification for electronic ignitions? (Dan Checkoway) 16. 08:36 AM - Preview Plans... (Bill VonDane) 17. 10:20 AM - Re: eMachineShop (Gould, Richard AE1 NAVTESTWINGPAC 561000E) 18. 12:45 PM - Re: Besr enginr/prop (George Neal E Capt AU/CCP) 19. 01:00 PM - Re: Besr enginr/prop (JOHN STARN) 20. 01:09 PM - Re: Besr enginr/prop () 21. 01:30 PM - magnetometer in an RV-8? (Glen Matejcek) 22. 01:46 PM - Items 4 Sale (RobHickman@aol.com) 23. 02:51 PM - Re: Major or Minor Modification for electronic ignitions? (Bob J) 24. 03:21 PM - Re: Major or Minor Modification for electronic ignitions? (Charlie England) 25. 03:21 PM - Re: Major or Minor Modification for electronic ignitions? (Charlie England) 26. 03:25 PM - RV-8 Empennage - HS-405 edge distance (alan@reichertech.com) 27. 04:03 PM - Insurance issues (Charles Heathco) 28. 06:32 PM - Prop Governor, Hartzell CS Prop (Tony Marshall) 29. 06:59 PM - Re: Prop Governor, Hartzell CS Prop (John Furey) 30. 07:08 PM - Re: Garmin 196 problem (Bryan Jones) 31. 07:21 PM - Re: RV-8 Empennage - HS-405 edge distance (Scott Farner) 32. 07:24 PM - Re: Garmin 196 problem (David Burton) 33. 07:34 PM - Re: Major or Minor Modification for electronic ignitions? (Mike Robertson) 34. 07:56 PM - video camera (Dan Checkoway) 35. 08:17 PM - Re: video camera (Sam Buchanan) 36. 08:34 PM - Re: RV-8 Empennage - HS-405 edge distance (Brett Morawski) 37. 08:46 PM - Re: Major or Minor Modification for electronic ignitions? (Bill VonDane) 38. 08:59 PM - Re: Prop Governor, Hartzell CS Prop (Stan Jones) 39. 09:11 PM - Re: video camera (Dan Checkoway) 40. 10:49 PM - Prop replacement, question for Das Fed, was: Major or Minor Modification (Jeff Point) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:08:55 AM PST US From: SportAV8R@aol.com Subject: RE: RV-List: new goodies from Trio Avionics --> RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com I'd love to get a few of these and the associated driver hdwe (RISC controller??) to make custom annunciators for my next panel... no need to re-engrave when you wanted to add new alarm functions, etc. Cool. -Stormy ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:04:27 AM PST US From: "Charles Heathco" Subject: RV-List: Panel lighting --> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Heathco" Muy 6a has a couple small red LED spotlights mounted on the canopy about 2 inches behind rear travel of the latch, controled by a dimmer on side of Fusl. I want to put on a canopy shade which will require removal of the lights. I am cosidering mounting those strip lights I recently read about in an av mag, and wondered if anyone had used that setup, or what lightting setup some folks are using?? charlie heathco ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:27:47 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: Spongy brake rv-4 From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" Gents, This past Saturday, an RV-4 that had been down for a couple of years on an engine change(Subie to lyco) launched off with a new Bart engine. One of the squawks was a very spongy right brake. Nearly full deflection to get her to grab. We bled again from the bottom up. No Change. All the lines are clear plastic and there is no air & no leaks. The system sat empty (I know bad idea) for the 2 years. I was thinking maybe a rebuild kit for the master cylinder? New set of seals? Is there any type of check valve in there that could be stuck? Take it apart and poke around? Thanks for your thoughts. Mike Do not archive. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:48:01 AM PST US From: linn walters Subject: Re: RV-List: Spongy brake rv-4 --> RV-List message posted by: linn walters Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" > >Gents, > >This past Saturday, an RV-4 that had been down for a couple of years on >an engine change(Subie to lyco) launched off with a new Bart engine. > > >One of the squawks was a very spongy right brake. Nearly full deflection >to get her to grab. > >We bled again from the bottom up. No Change. All the lines are clear >plastic and there is no air & no leaks. > >The system sat empty (I know bad idea) for the 2 years. > > >I was thinking maybe a rebuild kit for the master cylinder? > I doubt it. Master cylinder problems typically result in 'brake fade' where the pressure releases slowly with the pedal pushed. If it brakes, I wouldn't suspect the master. > New set of seals? > Again, I doubt it. Seals keep the fluid in the cylinder .... so check for a leak at the master cylinder first. > Is there any type of check valve in there that could be stuck? > Probably not since you did get some braking. >Take it apart and poke around? > Mike, my gut feeling is that the Master is OK. They're pretty bullet proof. >Thanks for your thoughts. > Well, my thought is that there's air in the system. That's the biggest cause of spongy brake. I know, you looked. However ...... I have the brake bleeder that uses a small yard sprayer that I can pump up and let 'er flow. Best thing (for brakes) sincesliced bread (bad for brakes). I've had problems before where I couldn't get enough flow to push an air bubble over the top of a loop in the tubing. Tubing wasn't clear and that took me a long time to figure out. Best of luck, Linn do not archive > >Mike > >Do not archive. > > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:59:44 AM PST US From: hosein shafiei Subject: RV-List: Besr enginr/prop --> RV-List message posted by: hosein shafiei Dear listers, What is the best engine/prop for RV-7? Regards,http://profiles.yahoo.com/shafiei6000 --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:06:39 AM PST US From: Denis Walsh Subject: Re: RV-List: Spongy brake rv-4 --> RV-List message posted by: Denis Walsh Agree. especially since older RV-4s had "upside down" masters. Should be some tips in the archives for those old cylinder mountings. On Mar 7, 2005, at 6:50 AM, linn walters wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: linn walters > > Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) wrote: > >> --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" >> >> >> Gents, >> >> This past Saturday, an RV-4 that had been down for a couple of years >> on >> an engine change(Subie to lyco) launched off with a new Bart engine. >> >> >> One of the squawks was a very spongy right brake. Nearly full >> deflection >> to get her to grab. >> >> We bled again from the bottom up. No Change. All the lines are clear >> plastic and there is no air & no leaks. >> >> The system sat empty (I know bad idea) for the 2 years. >> >> >> I was thinking maybe a rebuild kit for the master cylinder? >> > I doubt it. Master cylinder problems typically result in 'brake fade' > where the pressure releases slowly with the pedal pushed. If it > brakes, > I wouldn't suspect the master. > >> New set of seals? >> > Again, I doubt it. Seals keep the fluid in the cylinder .... so check > for a leak at the master cylinder first. > >> Is there any type of check valve in there that could be stuck? >> > Probably not since you did get some braking. > >> Take it apart and poke around? >> > Mike, my gut feeling is that the Master is OK. They're pretty bullet > proof. > >> Thanks for your thoughts. >> > Well, my thought is that there's air in the system. That's the biggest > cause of spongy brake. I know, you looked. However ...... > > I have the brake bleeder that uses a small yard sprayer that I can pump > up and let 'er flow. Best thing (for brakes) sincesliced bread (bad > for > brakes). I've had problems before where I couldn't get enough flow to > push an air bubble over the top of a loop in the tubing. Tubing wasn't > clear and that took me a long time to figure out. > Best of luck, > Linn > do not archive > >> >> Mike >> >> Do not archive. >> >> >> >> > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:25:47 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Besr enginr/prop From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" Oh my..... Mike Do not archive. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of hosein shafiei Subject: RV-List: Besr enginr/prop --> RV-List message posted by: hosein shafiei Dear listers, What is the best engine/prop for RV-7? Regards,http://profiles.yahoo.com/shafiei6000 --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:42:08 AM PST US From: Oldsfolks@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Re: Spongy brake RV-4 --> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com Michael; I would bet that there is air in your brake system. If the master cylinders can be turned upside down while bleeding,then you might get it out. I made a plug for the resevoir with a small ( 1/8" or so ) hose through it so I could flow a bunch of fluid through there , as suggested by another. I also bled the system from the top with the plug/hose. I still had to loosen a tubing nut to get small bubbles out above the brake cylinders. Even a small bubble in such a small system will cause spongy brake pedal. Bob Olds RV-4 , N1191X A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor Charleston,Arkansas Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:47:25 AM PST US From: Kevin Horton Subject: Re: RV-List: Besr enginr/prop --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton >--> RV-List message posted by: hosein shafiei > >What is the best engine/prop for RV-7? We don't know what you consider important, so we can't answer that. If we all had the same priorities we would all by flying Cessna 172s. Rank the following in order of importance and get back to us: low cost low weight excellent take-off and climb performance excellent cruise performance ability to get good cruise speed with low rpm ability to fly in rain without having to reduce rpm no need to frequently retorque the prop bolts ability to run autogas ability to achieve high power at high altitude availability of support from Vans amount of good service history available desire to experiment with new technology ability to use standard kit parts without any mods low build time little amount of rework required after you start flying which do you prefer - flying or building? -- Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit) Ottawa, Canada http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:11:11 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Spongy brake RV-4 From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" The reservoir is one of those small alum self contained units, screwed directly into the master cyl, on the top of the master cyl.. Is it really possible to fill from caliper, come through the master cylinder, up to the res and still have air in the master cyl? No leaks, no air. I can see the whole line start to finish. Great input guys, Im still not convinced its could be air. Mike So not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oldsfolks@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Re: Spongy brake RV-4 --> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com Michael; I would bet that there is air in your brake system. If the master cylinders can be turned upside down while bleeding,then you might get it out. I made a plug for the resevoir with a small ( 1/8" or so ) hose through it so I could flow a bunch of fluid through there , as suggested by another. I also bled the system from the top with the plug/hose. I still had to loosen a tubing nut to get small bubbles out above the brake cylinders. Even a small bubble in such a small system will cause spongy brake pedal. Bob Olds RV-4 , N1191X A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor Charleston,Arkansas Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:12:49 AM PST US From: "Pat Hatch" Subject: RE: RV-List: Spongy brake rv-4 --> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" Mike, First thing I would check is to see if it one of the old installations with the masters mounted upside down. If this is the case, the only way you are going to be able to bleed it is to remove and turn right side up, bleed, reinstall. If it's not the old style, probably going to need an O-ring kit, not a big deal. Pat -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) Subject: RV-List: Spongy brake rv-4 --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" Gents, This past Saturday, an RV-4 that had been down for a couple of years on an engine change(Subie to lyco) launched off with a new Bart engine. One of the squawks was a very spongy right brake. Nearly full deflection to get her to grab. We bled again from the bottom up. No Change. All the lines are clear plastic and there is no air & no leaks. The system sat empty (I know bad idea) for the 2 years. I was thinking maybe a rebuild kit for the master cylinder? New set of seals? Is there any type of check valve in there that could be stuck? Take it apart and poke around? Thanks for your thoughts. Mike Do not archive. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:22:40 AM PST US From: "Vincent Osburn" Subject: RE: RV-List: Spongy brake rv-4 --> RV-List message posted by: "Vincent Osburn" Sounds like air in the system. I made an air powered bleeder from PVC tube. Used 2 inch tube with screw on cap on top end and glue on cap at the bottom. Tapped an air hose barb fitting in at the top through the thicker part of the PVC and another at the bottom through the thicker part with hose barb for running a clear vinyl hose to the 1/8 pipe thread on the top of the brake fluid resivoir fill hole. Fill your PVC tube with fluid then screw on the lid and when you apply about 20 psi just loosen your bleed fitting at the wheel cylinder. You can bleed the brakes by yourself perfectly and get a rock hard pedal. I have done it twice on my RV and used it on other planes as well and it hasen't all blown up in my face yet. I will send a picture of mine if you e-mail off line. flyby41@earthlink.net > [Original Message] > From: Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) > To: > Date: 3/7/2005 5:25:02 AM > Subject: RV-List: Spongy brake rv-4 > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" > > Gents, > > This past Saturday, an RV-4 that had been down for a couple of years on > an engine change(Subie to lyco) launched off with a new Bart engine. > > > One of the squawks was a very spongy right brake. Nearly full deflection > to get her to grab. > > We bled again from the bottom up. No Change. All the lines are clear > plastic and there is no air & no leaks. > > The system sat empty (I know bad idea) for the 2 years. > > > I was thinking maybe a rebuild kit for the master cylinder? New set of > seals? Is there any type of check valve in there that could be stuck? > > Take it apart and poke around? > > Thanks for your thoughts. > > Mike > > Do not archive. > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:23:07 AM PST US From: Bill VonDane Subject: RV-List: RV-7 or -7A builder... --> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane Any -7 builders out there on IM? Please drop me a note... yahoo: bvondane aol: billvondane Thanks! -Bill do not archive ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:18:36 AM PST US From: "Arnold de Brie" Subject: Re: RV-List: Lightspeed ign. with aft battery --> RV-List message posted by: "Arnold de Brie" Hello I made the direct connection to the battery by lengthening the wire. This ensures maximum voltage to the ignition while starting One disadvantage. I left the ignition key on once ( main switch off ) The small current to the Lightspeed drains the battery completely. Arnold Netherlands ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:24:07 AM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: Major or Minor Modification for electronic ignitions? --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" Don't know about anybody else's operating limitations, but mine (March 2004) reference FAR 21.93, which attempts to distinguish minor from major in the context of alterations. Here's the latest FAA-hosted version of Part 21.93: http://checkoway.com/url/?s=8c86c2a8 )_( Dan RV-7 N714D http://www.rvproject.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Robertson" Subject: Re: RV-List: Major or Minor Modification for electronic ignitions? > --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Robertson" > > It depends on what you Operating Limitations state for a major change. > Changing to the electronic ignition from Slick Mags is definitely a major > change. If you have the early limitations you will have to contact your > local FSDO prior to making the change. A DAR cannot do this one. If you > have newer limitations that allow you to do the major change yourself, then > you make a log entry stating what you've done, place the aircraft back into > Phase one for a mimimum of five hours, and go fly the test flights until > either five hours is up and you are satisfied it is safe, or you must keep > flying after the five hours until you are satisfied with the performance. > After you are done with the test flight you make another log entry placing > the aircraft back into phase two. If you have the newest limitations you > must contact the FSDO for concurrence on the test flight area. They can do > that via telephone and FAX. You are not getting permission to make the > change, just getting concurrence on the test flight area. > > Any mor equestions give me a shout. > > Mike R. > > >From: Vanremog@aol.com > >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com > >To: rv-list@matronics.com > >Subject: Re: RV-List: Major or Minor Modification for electronic ignitions? > >Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 02:44:17 EST > > > >--> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com > > > >To Mike Robertson- > > > >Mike- > > > >When changing out the ignition system (OEM Slick magnetos) to electronic > >(two new P-mags), must I or how do I approach the FAA or my DAR (Dave > >Morss)? > > > >Is this considered a major modification to my RV-6A and do I have to take > >it > >back into testing mode? I expect to get the P-mag installation completed > >next week but want to ensure that all is properly done paperwork wise and > >legal. > > > >Thanks in advance. > > > > > >GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 736hrs, Silicon Valley, CA) > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:36:14 AM PST US From: Bill VonDane Subject: RV-List: Preview Plans... --> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane Has anyone scanned in their -8 preview plans? Thanks... -Bill do not archive ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:20:56 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: RE: eMachineShop From: "Gould, Richard AE1 NAVTESTWINGPAC 561000E" --> RV-List message posted by: "Gould, Richard AE1 NAVTESTWINGPAC 561000E" > I need to set the record straight on eMachineShop. I posted that the part I designed > was going to cost $1,720.00.That is wrong. That was the price for 100! I > didn't notice that the default quantity on the order form was 100. The actual > price for 1 part was about $155.00 and for 10 about $320.00 plus about $7 for > packing and shipping. The time estimate was about 29 days or 37 days if you > wanted it anodized. The extra charge for anodizing was about $40 weather you ordered > 1 or 10 parts. I have never drawn anthing on CAD before and had the part > drawn and a price and time estimate in under an hour. I think that is remarkable. > I think price is very reasonable and although I had a few listers volunteer > their services (Thanks!) I may try this company out of curiosity. I'll let > you know how it goes. > > Neil McLeod Let me know how that works out. I have a device I invented/designed (non-aviation related) that I have been toying around with and contemplating building a prototype. When I submitted the design for a price check, I think it had come out to about $300+ per part (3 parts), but now, I'm not sure what I had selected for quantity. If it was for a hundred then my project suddenly becomes a little more tangible with relation to disposable income. I'll have to recheck it! I have been pretty impressed with the program. I have used a bunch of free and low-cost CAD programs and it is by far the best that I have used--and easiest! Its 3D modeling capabilities, is one thing I find valuable. I did screen captures to get .JPG images of the different parts. First time I was actually able to view a 3D image of my design, that wasn't in my head. I can see how this program/website could be very handy for some aircraft parts that require higher-level metal work (CNC, special alloys, etc). Rick Gould RV-4 Oak Harbor, WA ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:45:39 PM PST US From: George Neal E Capt AU/CCP Subject: RE: RV-List: Besr enginr/prop --> RV-List message posted by: George Neal E Capt AU/CCP I found an R-4360 that I'd like to mount on my RV-7... Mike, this could turn the S8 project into Mega8 (it'll need taller landing gear) :) Neal Oh my..... Mike Do not archive. hosein shafiei Dear listers, What is the best engine/prop for RV-7? Regards,http://profiles.yahoo.com/shafiei6000 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:00:44 PM PST US From: "JOHN STARN" Subject: Re: RV-List: Besr enginr/prop --> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" And a very heavy tail hook..... 8*) KABONG > --> RV-List message posted by: George Neal E Capt AU/CCP > > > I found an R-4360 that I'd like to mount on my RV-7... > Mike, this could turn the S8 project into Mega8 (it'll need taller landing > gear) :) > Neal > > Oh my..... > Mike > Do not archive. > > hosein shafiei > Dear listers, > What is the best engine/prop for RV-7? > Regards,http://profiles.yahoo.com/shafiei6000 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:09:43 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: RV-List: Besr enginr/prop --> RV-List message posted by: > I found an R-4360 that I'd like to mount on my RV-7... > Mike, this could turn the S8 project into Mega8 (it'll need taller landing > gear) :) > Neal Come on, guys. The fellow didn't know he was asking a question that's been asked many times before. I've already directed him to the archives. There's no way we can answer this one any more than we can for primers, etc. It's a decision he has to make on his own. Jim Sears in KY do not archive ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 01:30:08 PM PST US From: "Glen Matejcek" Subject: RV-List: magnetometer in an RV-8? --> RV-List message posted by: "Glen Matejcek" Hi Bill, Charlie, Kevin, et al- Sorry for the delay in responding, but work and the digest format can put me out of synch with you guys. As I understand the situation, everyone's concerns about the potential for interference with the function of the magnetometers is technically valid, but operationally insignificant. I'm not flying yet, so I can't make a direct observation. I do accept the premise though. I also guarantee you'll all hear about it if this doesn't work out acceptably. On an entirely different note, those of you with better resources than me might be interested to know of about a dozen green and brown camouflaged F-86's in Honduras. They are crammed on the edge of a ramp, and three or four were without canopies, so I presume they are no longer in the active inventory. One of you enterprising folk could perhaps swing a bulk deal, remembering of course that I would be willing to accept one as a finder's fee... Glen Matejcek aerobubba@earthlink.net ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 01:46:18 PM PST US From: RobHickman@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Items 4 Sale --> RV-List message posted by: RobHickman@aol.com I have the following for sale, 1. Lightspeed Thirty 3g noise cancellation headset (like new) New $595 $475 2. Lightspeed Thirty 3g noise cancellation headset (like new) New $595 $475 3. EI Dual Fuel Gauge FL-2R (Never used) New $380 $300 The heads really do work great, they are quitter than the Bose on takeoff. The Bose are lighter and smaller. I am selling the first pair because I got a set of the Bose headsets in trade. And the second set because; The Bose booth at Oshkosh had free pop and after spending 8 days listening to their sales pitch my kids have decided that they also need a pair. Rob Hickman do not archive ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 02:51:56 PM PST US From: Bob J Subject: Re: RV-List: Major or Minor Modification for electronic ignitions? --> RV-List message posted by: Bob J Interesting. 1. Is it possible to have individual Operating Limitations changed/reissued by the local FSDO so that I don't have to receive approval for changes prior actually making them? 2. On a different tangent, but want to ask while I am thinking about paperwork: I have been keeping airframe and powerplant logs in an Excel spreadsheet. Is this acceptable? I suppose I could transcribe them into the logbook if necessary. I keep external paper documents in a binder, and make a reference to them in the spreadsheet; for example, my prop balance entry has the verbage for having a propeller balanced, see spectrum analysis plot dated blah blah blah in the powerplant binder. I figure when I go to sell the airplane I could print the logs out and sign each entry... Regards, Bob Japundza RV-6 flying 600+ hours F1 under const. On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 17:55:25 -0800, Mike Robertson wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Robertson" > > It depends on what you Operating Limitations state for a major change. > Changing to the electronic ignition from Slick Mags is definitely a major > change. If you have the early limitations you will have to contact your > local FSDO prior to making the change. A DAR cannot do this one. If you > have newer limitations that allow you to do the major change yourself, then > you make a log entry stating what you've done, place the aircraft back into > Phase one for a mimimum of five hours, and go fly the test flights until > either five hours is up and you are satisfied it is safe, or you must keep > flying after the five hours until you are satisfied with the performance. > After you are done with the test flight you make another log entry placing > the aircraft back into phase two. If you have the newest limitations you > must contact the FSDO for concurrence on the test flight area. They can do > that via telephone and FAX. You are not getting permission to make the > change, just getting concurrence on the test flight area. > > Any mor equestions give me a shout. > > Mike R. > > >From: Vanremog@aol.com > >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com > >To: rv-list@matronics.com > >Subject: Re: RV-List: Major or Minor Modification for electronic ignitions? > >Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 02:44:17 EST > > > >--> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com > > > >To Mike Robertson- > > > >Mike- > > > >When changing out the ignition system (OEM Slick magnetos) to electronic > >(two new P-mags), must I or how do I approach the FAA or my DAR (Dave > >Morss)? > > > >Is this considered a major modification to my RV-6A and do I have to take > >it > >back into testing mode? I expect to get the P-mag installation completed > >next week but want to ensure that all is properly done paperwork wise and > >legal. > > > >Thanks in advance. > > > > > >GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 736hrs, Silicon Valley, CA) > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 03:21:41 PM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: RV-List: Major or Minor Modification for electronic ignitions? --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England I've had 'old' op lims replaced with updated ones twice (2 different RV-4's). It was a relatively painless procedure; the worst time was the 2nd time when I had to actually schedule my visit to the FSDO due to the imminent danger of terrorism here in central Mississippi. (I'm sure that requirement didn't come from the local FAA guys.) I called, they sent the new forms to be filled out & told me what to fax over, they prepared the new paperwork & I dropped by (after scheduling the visit, of course) to trade old for new. The 1st new set, pre--9-11, set the flight test area & only required 2 logbook entries (& the 5 hrs flight test, of course) for major mods. The 2nd set, post--9-11, requires you to notify the FSDO of the intent to retest & they fax you confirmation of your test area. (as Mike described below) Then it's the 2 logbook entries. Your mileage (& FSDO) may vary. :-) There are things that the local guys might not be up to speed on when it comes to homebuilts if homebuilding isn't really active in your area. The 1st time I updated op lims, our guys had to make a phone call or 2 to get up to speed. Most of them aren't EAA members & don't deal with homebuilts that much. Can't help you on the Excel log issue. Charlie Bob J wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Bob J > >Interesting. > >1. Is it possible to have individual Operating Limitations >changed/reissued by the local FSDO so that I don't have to receive >approval for changes prior actually making them? > >2. On a different tangent, but want to ask while I am thinking about >paperwork: I have been keeping airframe and powerplant logs in an >Excel spreadsheet. Is this acceptable? I suppose I could transcribe >them into the logbook if necessary. I keep external paper documents >in a binder, and make a reference to them in the spreadsheet; for >example, my prop balance entry has the verbage for having a propeller >balanced, see spectrum analysis plot dated blah blah blah in the >powerplant binder. I figure when I go to sell the airplane I could >print the logs out and sign each entry... > >Regards, >Bob Japundza >RV-6 flying 600+ hours F1 under const. > > >On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 17:55:25 -0800, Mike Robertson > wrote: > > >>--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Robertson" >> >>It depends on what you Operating Limitations state for a major change. >>Changing to the electronic ignition from Slick Mags is definitely a major >>change. If you have the early limitations you will have to contact your >>local FSDO prior to making the change. A DAR cannot do this one. If you >>have newer limitations that allow you to do the major change yourself, then >>you make a log entry stating what you've done, place the aircraft back into >>Phase one for a mimimum of five hours, and go fly the test flights until >>either five hours is up and you are satisfied it is safe, or you must keep >>flying after the five hours until you are satisfied with the performance. >>After you are done with the test flight you make another log entry placing >>the aircraft back into phase two. If you have the newest limitations you >>must contact the FSDO for concurrence on the test flight area. They can do >>that via telephone and FAX. You are not getting permission to make the >>change, just getting concurrence on the test flight area. >> >>Any mor equestions give me a shout. >> >>Mike R. >> >> >> >>>From: Vanremog@aol.com >>>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >>>To: rv-list@matronics.com >>>Subject: Re: RV-List: Major or Minor Modification for electronic ignitions? >>>Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 02:44:17 EST >>> >>>--> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com >>> >>>To Mike Robertson- >>> >>>Mike- >>> >>>When changing out the ignition system (OEM Slick magnetos) to electronic >>>(two new P-mags), must I or how do I approach the FAA or my DAR (Dave >>>Morss)? >>> >>>Is this considered a major modification to my RV-6A and do I have to take >>>it >>>back into testing mode? I expect to get the P-mag installation completed >>>next week but want to ensure that all is properly done paperwork wise and >>>legal. >>> >>>Thanks in advance. >>> >>> >>>GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 736hrs, Silicon Valley, CA) >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 03:21:41 PM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: RV-List: Major or Minor Modification for electronic ignitions? --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England I've had 'old' op lims replaced with updated ones twice (2 different RV-4's). It was a relatively painless procedure; the worst time was the 2nd time when I had to actually schedule my visit to the FSDO due to the imminent danger of terrorism here in central Mississippi. (I'm sure that requirement didn't come from the local FAA guys.) I called, they sent the new forms to be filled out & told me what to fax over, they prepared the new paperwork & I dropped by (after scheduling the visit, of course) to trade old for new. The 1st new set, pre--9-11, set the flight test area & only required 2 logbook entries (& the 5 hrs flight test, of course) for major mods. The 2nd set, post--9-11, requires you to notify the FSDO of the intent to retest & they fax you confirmation of your test area. (as Mike described below) Then it's the 2 logbook entries. Your mileage (& FSDO) may vary. :-) There are things that the local guys might not be up to speed on when it comes to homebuilts if homebuilding isn't really active in your area. The 1st time I updated op lims, our guys had to make a phone call or 2 to get up to speed. Most of them aren't EAA members & don't deal with homebuilts that much. Charlie Bob J wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Bob J > >Interesting. > >1. Is it possible to have individual Operating Limitations >changed/reissued by the local FSDO so that I don't have to receive >approval for changes prior actually making them? > >2. On a different tangent, but want to ask while I am thinking about >paperwork: I have been keeping airframe and powerplant logs in an >Excel spreadsheet. Is this acceptable? I suppose I could transcribe >them into the logbook if necessary. I keep external paper documents >in a binder, and make a reference to them in the spreadsheet; for >example, my prop balance entry has the verbage for having a propeller >balanced, see spectrum analysis plot dated blah blah blah in the >powerplant binder. I figure when I go to sell the airplane I could >print the logs out and sign each entry... > >Regards, >Bob Japundza >RV-6 flying 600+ hours F1 under const. > > >On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 17:55:25 -0800, Mike Robertson > wrote: > > >>--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Robertson" >> >>It depends on what you Operating Limitations state for a major change. >>Changing to the electronic ignition from Slick Mags is definitely a major >>change. If you have the early limitations you will have to contact your >>local FSDO prior to making the change. A DAR cannot do this one. If you >>have newer limitations that allow you to do the major change yourself, then >>you make a log entry stating what you've done, place the aircraft back into >>Phase one for a mimimum of five hours, and go fly the test flights until >>either five hours is up and you are satisfied it is safe, or you must keep >>flying after the five hours until you are satisfied with the performance. >>After you are done with the test flight you make another log entry placing >>the aircraft back into phase two. If you have the newest limitations you >>must contact the FSDO for concurrence on the test flight area. They can do >>that via telephone and FAX. You are not getting permission to make the >>change, just getting concurrence on the test flight area. >> >>Any mor equestions give me a shout. >> >>Mike R. >> >> >> >>>From: Vanremog@aol.com >>>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >>>To: rv-list@matronics.com >>>Subject: Re: RV-List: Major or Minor Modification for electronic ignitions? >>>Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 02:44:17 EST >>> >>>--> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com >>> >>>To Mike Robertson- >>> >>>Mike- >>> >>>When changing out the ignition system (OEM Slick magnetos) to electronic >>>(two new P-mags), must I or how do I approach the FAA or my DAR (Dave >>>Morss)? >>> >>>Is this considered a major modification to my RV-6A and do I have to take >>>it >>>back into testing mode? I expect to get the P-mag installation completed >>>next week but want to ensure that all is properly done paperwork wise and >>>legal. >>> >>>Thanks in advance. >>> >>> >>>GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 736hrs, Silicon Valley, CA) >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 03:25:52 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: RV-8 Empennage - HS-405 edge distance From: alan@reichertech.com --> RV-List message posted by: alan@reichertech.com All, I'm working on the RV-8 empennage. Reference drawing 3, you can see where the HS-702, HS-405, and HS-801PP all overlap. After drilling the skin to the skeleton and then disassembling, I notice that the hole that goes through those three items does not meet minimum edge distance on the HS-405 towards the front edge of the flange (both top and bottom). This hole is the one that is in the seamed area of the HS-405. The holes in HS-702 are down the centerline of the flange, so I'm not sure where the alignment problem is. If I were to rebend the front and rear flanges of HS-405 slightly to shift the web of HS-405 forward, then I start getting into the edge distance on the top and bottom flanges at the rear end instead of the front. Any thoughts on what's going on here? Has anyone else seen this, and if so, how did you correct it? -- Alan Reichert RV-8 N927AR (reserved) Building Horizontal/Vertical Stabilizers ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 04:03:33 PM PST US From: "Charles Heathco" Subject: RV-List: Insurance issues --> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Heathco" I thought it might be useful to post my findings re insurance on our RV"s (and other experimentals) No mater who you agency is, you will most likly be carried by AIG. I found out today that other than the max 4 listed and aproved pilots, your ins does not cover any claim if anyone else, including onother RV pilot with same type insurance is flying the plane WITH, or without your permission. That also includes you also being in the rt seat. I post this as it is news to me and couple other RV drivers. charles heathco ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 06:32:02 PM PST US From: "Tony Marshall" Subject: RV-List: Prop Governor, Hartzell CS Prop --> RV-List message posted by: "Tony Marshall" The flatter pitch (high rpm) setting on my governor results in the actuating arm on the governor moving to too acute an angle versus the cable end....if this makes sense. I actually need a few more rpms, but further stop adjustment makes the angle so acute that the cable binds a bit. What I would like to do is to remove the actuating arm and turn it ten degree or so, reinstalling the arm, then readjust the cable. It looks as if the governor shaft is splined and that removal of the actuating arm should be rather simple. This is an "on plane" adjustment and the work area tight. Any surprises awaiting me in there? Is it as simple as just removing loosening the arm retaining bolt, turning the arm the desired amount then reinstalling the bolt?....then readjusting the cable? This forum is a great resource....your experience will be appreciated. tony marshall rv6 polson, mt ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 06:59:39 PM PST US From: "John Furey" Subject: RE: RV-List: Prop Governor, Hartzell CS Prop --> RV-List message posted by: "John Furey" Not sure which gov you have but most would have you loosen the 6 small screws and rotate the center housing then retighten. I had to do this on my Hartzel prop/MT gov. Thats why they recommend setting it all up off the plane first(which I did not do) so I lost a little blood over it. I have the manual so if you need more info let me know. John furey RV6A O-320 330-324-2041 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 07:08:37 PM PST US From: "Bryan Jones" Subject: Re: RV-List: Garmin 196 problem --> RV-List message posted by: "Bryan Jones" >Alternatively why not simply remove the batteries. The point of the issue is that when one is flying in less desirable wx (like IMC!) and the electrical system fails, the GPS would keep working for some period of time without having to remove the GPS from the panel or mount, install batteries, reinstall, power back up *and* still fly the plane in bad wx. In the event of a power loss, my Dynon will continue to give me attitude information and, if this issue can be resolved, the GPS will (hopefully) get me to a runway. Bryan ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 07:21:52 PM PST US From: Scott Farner Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-8 Empennage - HS-405 edge distance --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Farner Alan, I am not sure if it is the same, but I had the same problem on my -7 HS. I had about a 1x diameter edge spacing. My HS-702 also was centered on the skin holes in this situation too. You might want to check the rear-to-front spar spacing as shown in the plan view of DWG 3 to see how far, if at all that is off and move the front spar accordingly. Sorry I couldn't be more help but just wanted to let you know that you're not alone. -- Scott Wings Arrive Tomorrow! www.scottfarner.com On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 18:25:01 -0500 (EST), alan@reichertech.com wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: alan@reichertech.com > > All, > > I'm working on the RV-8 empennage. Reference drawing 3, you can see where > the HS-702, HS-405, and HS-801PP all overlap. > > After drilling the skin to the skeleton and then disassembling, I notice > that the hole that goes through those three items does not meet minimum > edge distance on the HS-405 towards the front edge of the flange (both top > and bottom). This hole is the one that is in the seamed area of the > HS-405. > > The holes in HS-702 are down the centerline of the flange, so I'm not sure > where the alignment problem is. > > If I were to rebend the front and rear flanges of HS-405 slightly to shift > the web of HS-405 forward, then I start getting into the edge distance on > the top and bottom flanges at the rear end instead of the front. > > Any thoughts on what's going on here? Has anyone else seen this, and if > so, how did you correct it? > > -- > Alan Reichert > RV-8 N927AR (reserved) > Building Horizontal/Vertical Stabilizers > > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 07:24:49 PM PST US From: "David Burton" Subject: Re: RV-List: Garmin 196 problem --> RV-List message posted by: "David Burton" My 195 has a battery icon displayed on the screen when you are running on batteries. As soon as ship's power comes online the icon goes out. Does your 196 have the same icon? That could help you troubleshoot if it does. The voltage display page could also help... Good luck! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Bertsch" Subject: RV-List: Garmin 196 problem > --> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Bertsch > > Both Bryan Jones and I have a the same problem with our Garmin 196: > > we have the GPS connected to onboard power, but the batteries keep going dead after a short period of time, even though we are not using them on battery power. I have also found a pilot on the Beechlist who has the same problem. > > Is there anyone else on the RV-list experiencing this? > > Jeff Bertsch > lonestarsquadron.com > > > --------------------------------- > > ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 07:34:19 PM PST US From: "Mike Robertson" Subject: Re: RV-List: Major or Minor Modification for electronic ignitions? --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Robertson" The answer to both of your questions is yes. You can get updated Operating lImitations from your local FSDO. Fill out a new FAA Form 8130-6 (downloadable), and take it with your existing Airworthiness Certificate and Operating Lmitations, and your Airframe logbook. They will issue you new ones. The regs don't say where or how you have to keep your logs, just that you must have them. I think I would recommend printing out any new entries at each annual condition inspection. That way if you do lose your harddrive you won't lose everything. But, yes, it is legal. Mike R. >From: Bob J >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV-List: Major or Minor Modification for electronic ignitions? >Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 17:49:36 -0500 > >--> RV-List message posted by: Bob J > >Interesting. > >1. Is it possible to have individual Operating Limitations >changed/reissued by the local FSDO so that I don't have to receive >approval for changes prior actually making them? > >2. On a different tangent, but want to ask while I am thinking about >paperwork: I have been keeping airframe and powerplant logs in an >Excel spreadsheet. Is this acceptable? I suppose I could transcribe >them into the logbook if necessary. I keep external paper documents >in a binder, and make a reference to them in the spreadsheet; for >example, my prop balance entry has the verbage for having a propeller >balanced, see spectrum analysis plot dated blah blah blah in the >powerplant binder. I figure when I go to sell the airplane I could >print the logs out and sign each entry... > >Regards, >Bob Japundza >RV-6 flying 600+ hours F1 under const. > > >On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 17:55:25 -0800, Mike Robertson > wrote: > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Robertson" > > > > It depends on what you Operating Limitations state for a major change. > > Changing to the electronic ignition from Slick Mags is definitely a >major > > change. If you have the early limitations you will have to contact your > > local FSDO prior to making the change. A DAR cannot do this one. If >you > > have newer limitations that allow you to do the major change yourself, >then > > you make a log entry stating what you've done, place the aircraft back >into > > Phase one for a mimimum of five hours, and go fly the test flights until > > either five hours is up and you are satisfied it is safe, or you must >keep > > flying after the five hours until you are satisfied with the >performance. > > After you are done with the test flight you make another log entry >placing > > the aircraft back into phase two. If you have the newest limitations >you > > must contact the FSDO for concurrence on the test flight area. They can >do > > that via telephone and FAX. You are not getting permission to make the > > change, just getting concurrence on the test flight area. > > > > Any mor equestions give me a shout. > > > > Mike R. > > > > >From: Vanremog@aol.com > > >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com > > >To: rv-list@matronics.com > > >Subject: Re: RV-List: Major or Minor Modification for electronic >ignitions? > > >Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 02:44:17 EST > > > > > >--> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com > > > > > >To Mike Robertson- > > > > > >Mike- > > > > > >When changing out the ignition system (OEM Slick magnetos) to >electronic > > >(two new P-mags), must I or how do I approach the FAA or my DAR (Dave > > >Morss)? > > > > > >Is this considered a major modification to my RV-6A and do I have to >take > > >it > > >back into testing mode? I expect to get the P-mag installation >completed > > >next week but want to ensure that all is properly done paperwork wise >and > > >legal. > > > > > >Thanks in advance. > > > > > > > > >GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 736hrs, Silicon Valley, CA) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 07:56:53 PM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: RV-List: video camera --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" I've gotten a LOT of email asking about my video setup -- what type of camera I use, how it's mounted, what frame rate, etc. Here's what little info I have: http://www.rvproject.com/videos.html It's not a fancy setup at all. Poor man's video...but I'm happy with it! ;-) )_( Dan RV-7 N714D http://www.rvproject.com ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 08:17:43 PM PST US From: Sam Buchanan Subject: Re: RV-List: video camera --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan Dan Checkoway wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" > > I've gotten a LOT of email asking about my video setup -- what type of > camera I use, how it's mounted, what frame rate, etc. Here's what little > info I have: http://www.rvproject.com/videos.html > > It's not a fancy setup at all. Poor man's video...but I'm happy with it! > ;-) Dan, the videos look great; it is amazing what can be done with the little digital cameras and desktop editing. One enhancement you might consider is an auxiliary wide-angle lens. This would include more of the plane and *really* make the viewer feel like they are riding with you. The lens screws onto the camera lens via the filter threads. It will also take care of any focus problems since the huge depth of field of the extreme wide-angle will have everything in focus. Here is a link to a clip I made in the StalkerV6 kit car using a Canon ZR40 with a 0.43x auxiliary lens: http://sambuchanan.com/stalker.wmv Sam Buchanan ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 08:34:41 PM PST US From: "Brett Morawski" Subject: RE: RV-List: RV-8 Empennage - HS-405 edge distance --> RV-List message posted by: "Brett Morawski" Alan, I had the same problem on my -8 emp but can't remember if it was in the exact same position. I reviewed everything and there seemed to be no way to correct it and I couldn't find anything I'd done wrong. After some thought I left the holes how they were and moved on. There are no single "critical" rivets that I've seen yet. If only a few rivets out of several thousand are less than perfect then I'm not worried. Brett Morawski 8a wings Toledo, OH -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of alan@reichertech.com Subject: RV-List: RV-8 Empennage - HS-405 edge distance --> RV-List message posted by: alan@reichertech.com All, I'm working on the RV-8 empennage. Reference drawing 3, you can see where the HS-702, HS-405, and HS-801PP all overlap. After drilling the skin to the skeleton and then disassembling, I notice that the hole that goes through those three items does not meet minimum edge distance on the HS-405 towards the front edge of the flange (both top and bottom). This hole is the one that is in the seamed area of the HS-405. The holes in HS-702 are down the centerline of the flange, so I'm not sure where the alignment problem is. If I were to rebend the front and rear flanges of HS-405 slightly to shift the web of HS-405 forward, then I start getting into the edge distance on the top and bottom flanges at the rear end instead of the front. Any thoughts on what's going on here? Has anyone else seen this, and if so, how did you correct it? -- Alan Reichert RV-8 N927AR (reserved) Building Horizontal/Vertical Stabilizers Message transport security by GatewayDefender.com 6:37:11 PM ET - 3/7/2005 ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 08:46:04 PM PST US From: "Bill VonDane" Subject: Re: RV-List: Major or Minor Modification for electronic ignitions? --> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" I haven't been reading all of the messages on this subject, but I do remember reading something on the Ellison site about making log book entries for modification that was very interesting... I suggest everyone read it... The first thing your insurance company is going to do if you have an accident or incident is try to find a reason not to pay... http://www.ellison-fluid-systems.com/homebuilt_court_decision.htm -Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Robertson" Subject: Re: RV-List: Major or Minor Modification for electronic ignitions? --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Robertson" The answer to both of your questions is yes. You can get updated Operating lImitations from your local FSDO. Fill out a new FAA Form 8130-6 (downloadable), and take it with your existing Airworthiness Certificate and Operating Lmitations, and your Airframe logbook. They will issue you new ones. The regs don't say where or how you have to keep your logs, just that you must have them. I think I would recommend printing out any new entries at each annual condition inspection. That way if you do lose your harddrive you won't lose everything. But, yes, it is legal. Mike R. >From: Bob J >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV-List: Major or Minor Modification for electronic ignitions? >Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 17:49:36 -0500 > >--> RV-List message posted by: Bob J > >Interesting. > >1. Is it possible to have individual Operating Limitations >changed/reissued by the local FSDO so that I don't have to receive >approval for changes prior actually making them? > >2. On a different tangent, but want to ask while I am thinking about >paperwork: I have been keeping airframe and powerplant logs in an >Excel spreadsheet. Is this acceptable? I suppose I could transcribe >them into the logbook if necessary. I keep external paper documents >in a binder, and make a reference to them in the spreadsheet; for >example, my prop balance entry has the verbage for having a propeller >balanced, see spectrum analysis plot dated blah blah blah in the >powerplant binder. I figure when I go to sell the airplane I could >print the logs out and sign each entry... > >Regards, >Bob Japundza >RV-6 flying 600+ hours F1 under const. > > >On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 17:55:25 -0800, Mike Robertson > wrote: > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Robertson" > > > > It depends on what you Operating Limitations state for a major change. > > Changing to the electronic ignition from Slick Mags is definitely a >major > > change. If you have the early limitations you will have to contact your > > local FSDO prior to making the change. A DAR cannot do this one. If >you > > have newer limitations that allow you to do the major change yourself, >then > > you make a log entry stating what you've done, place the aircraft back >into > > Phase one for a mimimum of five hours, and go fly the test flights until > > either five hours is up and you are satisfied it is safe, or you must >keep > > flying after the five hours until you are satisfied with the >performance. > > After you are done with the test flight you make another log entry >placing > > the aircraft back into phase two. If you have the newest limitations >you > > must contact the FSDO for concurrence on the test flight area. They can >do > > that via telephone and FAX. You are not getting permission to make the > > change, just getting concurrence on the test flight area. > > > > Any mor equestions give me a shout. > > > > Mike R. > > > > >From: Vanremog@aol.com > > >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com > > >To: rv-list@matronics.com > > >Subject: Re: RV-List: Major or Minor Modification for electronic >ignitions? > > >Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 02:44:17 EST > > > > > >--> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com > > > > > >To Mike Robertson- > > > > > >Mike- > > > > > >When changing out the ignition system (OEM Slick magnetos) to >electronic > > >(two new P-mags), must I or how do I approach the FAA or my DAR (Dave > > >Morss)? > > > > > >Is this considered a major modification to my RV-6A and do I have to >take > > >it > > >back into testing mode? I expect to get the P-mag installation >completed > > >next week but want to ensure that all is properly done paperwork wise >and > > >legal. > > > > > >Thanks in advance. > > > > > > > > >GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 736hrs, Silicon Valley, CA) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 08:59:18 PM PST US From: "Stan Jones" Subject: Re: RV-List: Prop Governor, Hartzell CS Prop --> RV-List message posted by: "Stan Jones" Tony, On my MT governor the inside face of the actuating arm is saw toothed, and mates up with the bush on the shaft. It is just a matter of removing the arm, adjust the angle, and reattach, making sure the saw tooths are allined Stan -------Original Message------- From: rv-list@matronics.com Subject: RV-List: Prop Governor, Hartzell CS Prop --> RV-List message posted by: "Tony Marshall" The flatter pitch (high rpm) setting on my governor results in the actuating arm on the governor moving to too acute an angle versus the cable end....if this makes sense. I actually need a few more rpms, but further stop adjustment makes the angle so acute that the cable binds a bit. What I would like to do is to remove the actuating arm and turn it ten degree or so, reinstalling the arm, then readjust the cable. It looks as if the governor shaft is splined and that removal of the actuating arm should be rather simple. This is an "on plane" adjustment and the work area tight. Any surprises awaiting me in there? Is it as simple as just removing loosening the arm retaining bolt, turning the arm the desired amount then reinstalling the bolt?....then readjusting the cable? This forum is a great resource....your experience will be appreciated. tony marshall rv6 polson, mt ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 09:11:30 PM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: video camera --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" Sam, I'm all over that. I've been wanting to have a wider angle view since day one, but I hadn't thought I could add lenses to this camera -- it's pretty low-end. But I looked and there sure are threads! Will see what I can find. If anybody knows a cheap source for a decent wide angle lens that will fit a JVC GR-DVL805 camera, I'm all ears! do not archive )_( Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sam Buchanan" Subject: Re: RV-List: video camera > --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan > > Dan Checkoway wrote: > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" > > > > I've gotten a LOT of email asking about my video setup -- what type of > > camera I use, how it's mounted, what frame rate, etc. Here's what little > > info I have: http://www.rvproject.com/videos.html > > > > It's not a fancy setup at all. Poor man's video...but I'm happy with it! > > ;-) > > > Dan, the videos look great; it is amazing what can be done with the > little digital cameras and desktop editing. > > One enhancement you might consider is an auxiliary wide-angle lens. This > would include more of the plane and *really* make the viewer feel like > they are riding with you. The lens screws onto the camera lens via the > filter threads. It will also take care of any focus problems since the > huge depth of field of the extreme wide-angle will have everything in focus. > > Here is a link to a clip I made in the StalkerV6 kit car using a Canon > ZR40 with a 0.43x auxiliary lens: > > http://sambuchanan.com/stalker.wmv > > Sam Buchanan > > ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 10:49:45 PM PST US From: Jeff Point Subject: RV-List: Prop replacement, question for Das Fed, was: Major or Minor Modification for electronic ignitions? --> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point On the subject of major mods and operating limitations: I have the older operating limitations (requiring FSDO blessing for any "major change.") I am replacing my wood Sterba experimental prop with a wood core, fiberglass covered Catto experimental prop. Weight is about the same, and both are fixed pitch, experimental props. According to a local FAA inspector (who deals with a lot of homebuilts and whose opinion is widely respected around these parts) this does not constitute a "major change" and no new certificate is required, nor is any phase 1 time. This strikes me as a bit odd. What do you think, Mike, or anybody else who knows? Jeff Point RV-6 Milwaukee WI