---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 03/09/05: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:57 AM - (no subject) (Kdh347@aol.com) 2. 06:43 AM - RV-7 Tail and wing kit for sale (Kdh347@aol.com) 3. 07:33 AM - Blue Mountain Install... (Bill VonDane) 4. 10:38 AM - Spinners (Ernie) 5. 11:21 AM - Navaid Servo wanted (dedgemon@knology.net) 6. 12:27 PM - Yard Store rebuilt squeeze *caution* (RV Builder (Michael Sausen)) 7. 12:53 PM - Re: Yard Store rebuilt squeeze *caution* (linn walters) 8. 01:00 PM - Re: Oil Coolers on Ebay (Jerry2DT@aol.com) 9. 01:32 PM - Re: Re: Oil Coolers on Ebay (Chuck Jensen) 10. 01:40 PM - Re: Re: Oil Coolers on Ebay (cgalley) 11. 03:20 PM - Re: Prop replacement, question for Das Fed, was: Major or Minor (Mike Robertson) 12. 04:09 PM - Re: Yard Store rebuilt squeeze *caution* (gert) 13. 04:19 PM - Re: Prop replacement, question for Das Fed, was: Major or Minor (Dwight Frye) 14. 04:30 PM - Re: Yard Store rebuilt squeeze *caution* (JOHN STARN) 15. 04:36 PM - Re: Yard Store rebuilt squeeze *caution* (Richard Scott) 16. 05:08 PM - Re: Re: Oil Coolers on Ebay (Jeff Point) 17. 05:12 PM - Re: Spinners (Greg Puckett) 18. 06:26 PM - Re: Re: Yard Store rebuilt squeeze *caution* (RV Builder (Michael Sausen)) 19. 06:59 PM - Re: Re: Oil Coolers on Ebay (cgalley) 20. 08:44 PM - Re: Yard Store rebuilt squeeze *caution* (LARRY ADAMSON) 21. 10:01 PM - Re: Re: Oil Coolers on Ebay (Konrad L. Werner) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:57:12 AM PST US From: Kdh347@aol.com Subject: RV-List: (no subject) --> RV-List message posted by: Kdh347@aol.com > Have the tail kit finished and the wing kit hardly stsrted.New York area If > interested, E-mail me at _kdh347@aol.com_ (mail to:kdh347@aol.com) or call > 845-677-3193 > Thanks Ken ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:43:33 AM PST US From: Kdh347@aol.com Subject: RV-List: RV-7 Tail and wing kit for sale --> RV-List message posted by: Kdh347@aol.com >It kills me to do this RV-7 empennage and wing kit for sale Have the tail kit finished and the wing kit hardly stsrted.New York area If > interested, E-mail me at _kdh347@aol.com_ (mail to:kdh347@aol.com) or call > 845-677-3193 > Thanks Ken PS also A complete set of tools, including pneumatic squisser. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:33:42 AM PST US From: Bill VonDane Subject: RV-List: Blue Mountain Install... --> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane I started my Blue Mountain Sport and Autopilot install last weekend... Have the Magnetometer, AP Controller, and elevator Servo installed... I have posted some info and pix to my web site... http://www.rv8a.com/panel/panel3/installation.htm -Bill ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:38:24 AM PST US From: "Ernie" Subject: RV-List: Spinners --> RV-List message posted by: "Ernie" This is my first post in several years. I am building an older RV-6 kit and have a question regarding spinners. Has anyone on the list used the spinner supplied in the kit with a McCauley constant speed prop? If so are there any pit falls I should be aware of? Thanks for your help. Ernie Amadio Rv-6 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:21:08 AM PST US From: "dedgemon@knology.net" Subject: RV-List: Navaid Servo wanted --> RV-List message posted by: "dedgemon@knology.net" I'm looking for a Navaid servo. If you have one you'd like to sell please email me offline. Servo only, not the control head. Thanks -- David Edgemon RV-9A N42DE ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:27:57 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: Yard Store rebuilt squeeze *caution* From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" --> RV-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" All, This is my own fault for assuming but I wanted to pass it along anyway to anyone considering getting a pneumatic squeeze. Be sure they have an adjustable set holder. The item "12310 Rebuilt C Squeeze" The Yard Store carries doesn't have one and when I called they just said that if it does they will list it in the description. My only experience has been with adjustable so I didn't even know that it could have a fixed holder They didn't really seem to care when I mentioned that they should say that it isn't adjustable on the website. They did offer a refund if I sent it back at my expense. My solution was to take the adjustable one out of my hand squeeze. Just wanted everyone to be mindful when dealing with them that they need to not assume anything. They didn't cheat me but they didn't exactly seem to care that I wasn't happy. Michael Sausen RV-10 40352 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:53:09 PM PST US From: linn walters Subject: Re: RV-List: Yard Store rebuilt squeeze *caution* --> RV-List message posted by: linn walters Michael, I would agree that they could have been more receptive of your suggestion to label the squeezers as adjustable/non-adjustable. However, they did make you the offer for a refund and you'd have paid shipping for an education .... and shared it with us. However, you were able to analyze the situation and solve it on your own. Not as elegant as swapping squeezers rapidly ..... but a good solution nonetheless. Sorry you're not happy, but you can still feel good about saving another builder the same 'gotcha'. Linn do not archive RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" > >All, > > This is my own fault for assuming but I wanted to pass it along anyway >to anyone considering getting a pneumatic squeeze. Be sure they have an >adjustable set holder. The item "12310 Rebuilt C Squeeze" The Yard >Store carries doesn't have one and when I called they just said that if >it does they will list it in the description. My only experience has >been with adjustable so I didn't even know that it could have a fixed >holder They didn't really seem to care when I mentioned that they >should say that it isn't adjustable on the website. They did offer a >refund if I sent it back at my expense. > > My solution was to take the adjustable one out of my hand squeeze. >Just wanted everyone to be mindful when dealing with them that they need >to not assume anything. They didn't cheat me but they didn't exactly >seem to care that I wasn't happy. > >Michael Sausen >RV-10 40352 > > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:00:36 PM PST US From: Jerry2DT@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Re: Oil Coolers on Ebay --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com Jeff, This fella has been selling these for awhile. I bought one and it *looks good*. I plan to pressure test it and will post results at some point. I also ha ve a used Harrison the same size, and it weighs more, probably because of the cast alum ends... HTH... Jerry Cochran From: Jeff Point Subject: RV-List: Oil Coolers on Ebay --> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point Take a look at these and see what you think. A friend found these and wants to use one on his -6. What do you think? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4533025216& category=26442&sspagename=WDVW#ebayphotohosting Jeff Point RV-6 Milwaukee WI ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:32:43 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Oil Coolers on Ebay From: "Chuck Jensen" --> RV-List message posted by: "Chuck Jensen" Does he sell them one at a time, or will he sell additional units at the auction price. I sent a question but never got an answer. If someone on the list is the winner, I'll buy a second one from you for the auction price and whatever 'vigorish' you might want. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jerry2DT@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Re: Oil Coolers on Ebay --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com Jeff, This fella has been selling these for awhile. I bought one and it *looks good*. I plan to pressure test it and will post results at some point. I also ha ve a used Harrison the same size, and it weighs more, probably because of the cast alum ends... HTH... Jerry Cochran From: Jeff Point Subject: RV-List: Oil Coolers on Ebay --> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point Take a look at these and see what you think. A friend found these and wants to use one on his -6. What do you think? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4533025216& category=26442&sspagename=WDVW#ebayphotohosting Jeff Point RV-6 Milwaukee WI ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:40:48 PM PST US From: "cgalley" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Oil Coolers on Ebay --> RV-List message posted by: "cgalley" I wondered where all the coolers went that were replaced free. ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: RV-List: Re: Oil Coolers on Ebay > --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com > > > Jeff, > > This fella has been selling these for awhile. I bought one and it *looks > good*. I plan to pressure test it and will post results at some point. I > also ha > ve a used Harrison the same size, and it weighs more, probably because of > the > cast alum ends... HTH... > > Jerry Cochran > > From: Jeff Point > Subject: RV-List: Oil Coolers on Ebay > > --> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point > > Take a look at these and see what you think. A friend found these and > wants to use one on his -6. What do you think? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4533025216& > category=26442&sspagename=WDVW#ebayphotohosting > > Jeff Point > RV-6 > Milwaukee WI > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:20:09 PM PST US From: "Mike Robertson" Subject: RE: RV-List: Prop replacement, question for Das Fed, was: Major or Minor Modification for electronic ignitions? --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Robertson" He is correct, although I would recommend placing the aircraft into Phase 1 and doing some testing on performance differences. That you can do on your own at any time. Just make a log entry placing the aircraft into Phase 1 for testing of new prop, do whatever testing you feel is prudent, and sign it off placing the aircraft back into Phase 2. Mike Robertson >From: Jeff Point >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: rv-list@matronics.com.for.electronic.ignitions? >Subject: RV-List: Prop replacement, question for Das Fed, was: Major or >Minor Modification for electronic ignitions? >Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 00:46:57 -0600 > >--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point > >On the subject of major mods and operating limitations: > >I have the older operating limitations (requiring FSDO blessing for any >"major change.") I am replacing my wood Sterba experimental prop with a >wood core, fiberglass covered Catto experimental prop. Weight is about >the same, and both are fixed pitch, experimental props. According to a >local FAA inspector (who deals with a lot of homebuilts and whose >opinion is widely respected around these parts) this does not constitute >a "major change" and no new certificate is required, nor is any phase 1 >time. > >This strikes me as a bit odd. What do you think, Mike, or anybody else >who knows? > >Jeff Point >RV-6 >Milwaukee WI > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:09:36 PM PST US From: gert Subject: Re: RV-List: Yard Store rebuilt squeeze *caution* --> RV-List message posted by: gert Here is another data point, I bought a pneumatic squeezer from them, pretty much site unseen, real cheap, during oshkosh, many years ago.. after a few tries it started leaking air and would not squeeze anymore, knowing how I had bought it, I called for a rebuild kit. after some talking they figured out that it was for a recently aquired squeezer from them. No seal kit forme, instead, they insisted I ship the squeezer back as their stuff works.....I shipped it to them, they fixed it and overnighted it back, my cost....shipping to them. now 5 years later it still works like a charm. and yes, it did NOT have an ajustable plunjer, I made one from a 3/8" shoulderbolt with the head ground off, still works too after 5 years. Me, I am very happy with the service/goods received. Gert linn walters wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters > > >Michael, I would agree that they could have been more receptive of your >suggestion to label the squeezers as adjustable/non-adjustable. >However, they did make you the offer for a refund and you'd have paid >shipping for an education .... and shared it with us. However, you were >able to analyze the situation and solve it on your own. Not as elegant >as swapping squeezers rapidly ..... but a good solution nonetheless. >Sorry you're not happy, but you can still feel good about saving another >builder the same 'gotcha'. >Linn >do not archive > >RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote: > > > >>--> RV-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" >> >>All, >> >> This is my own fault for assuming but I wanted to pass it along anyway >>to anyone considering getting a pneumatic squeeze. Be sure they have an >>adjustable set holder. The item "12310 Rebuilt C Squeeze" The Yard >>Store carries doesn't have one and when I called they just said that if >>it does they will list it in the description. My only experience has >>been with adjustable so I didn't even know that it could have a fixed >>holder They didn't really seem to care when I mentioned that they >>should say that it isn't adjustable on the website. They did offer a >>refund if I sent it back at my expense. >> >> My solution was to take the adjustable one out of my hand squeeze. >>Just wanted everyone to be mindful when dealing with them that they need >>to not assume anything. They didn't cheat me but they didn't exactly >>seem to care that I wasn't happy. >> >>Michael Sausen >>RV-10 40352 >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > -- is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:19:16 PM PST US From: Dwight Frye Subject: Re: RV-List: Prop replacement, question for Das Fed, was: Major or Minor --> RV-List message posted by: Dwight Frye Mike, I have a question related to this very activity ... and am asking not so much for myself (I'm still building), but just to satisfy my curiosity. I have had the impression that all these suggestions and requirements have been tendered with the idea that the person doing the work is the builder and has a repairman's certificate for the aircraft. However, what are the rules/regs for someone who does NOT have the repairmans certificate and who is NOT an A/P? Somehow I can't imagine that they would be in a position to change their prop, put it into phase 1, perform the flight testing, and sign it off putting it back in phase 2. Or can they? If a person *were* in this situation, and they were *not* allowed to make these sorts of (potentially major, depending upon the whims of their local FSDO) changes .... who can? I assume an A/P could, but what would be the process? Can an A/P put it into phase 1, test, then sign the logbook putting it back into phase 2? A related question is ... if the person is NOT the builder (and not an A/P, though I'm not sure it would matter if they were in this case) and has the older operating limitations ... can *they* get the operating limitations changed? Would there be any point? Thanks, in advance, for satisfying my curiosity on these questions! -- Dwight do not archive On Wed Mar 9 18:18:50 2005, Mike Robertson wrote : > >He is correct, although I would recommend placing the aircraft into Phase 1 >and doing some testing on performance differences. That you can do on your >own at any time. Just make a log entry placing the aircraft into Phase 1 >for testing of new prop, do whatever testing you feel is prudent, and sign >it off placing the aircraft back into Phase 2. > >Mike Robertson ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:30:54 PM PST US From: "JOHN STARN" Subject: Re: RV-List: Yard Store rebuilt squeeze *caution* --> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" So I've ordered three times from The Yard. Everthing was shipped on time & as ordered until the last time. Ordered the drill box with full set of drill bits with some other stuff. They shipped an empty drill bit box (they sell it both ways). I called and advised the lady on the phone what I found. She had another box complete with drill bits shipped that day. (arrived two days later). I ask what to do with the plain box, offered to keep it & pay for it. She advised me to keep it to make up for their error. Would I order from them again...YOU BET. KABONG Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "gert" Subject: Re: RV-List: Yard Store rebuilt squeeze *caution* > --> RV-List message posted by: gert > > Here is another data point, I bought a pneumatic squeezer from them, > pretty much site unseen, real cheap, during oshkosh, many years ago.. >>--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters >>Michael, I would agree that they could have been more receptive of your >>suggestion to label the squeezers as adjustable/non-adjustable. >>>--> RV-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" >>> >>> This is my own fault for assuming but I wanted to pass it along anyway >>>to anyone considering getting a pneumatic squeeze. Be sure they have an >>>adjustable set holder. The item "12310 Rebuilt C Squeeze" The Yard ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:36:01 PM PST US From: Richard Scott Subject: RV-List: Re: Yard Store rebuilt squeeze *caution* --> RV-List message posted by: Richard Scott Neither Avery nor Cleaveland indicate that an adjustable set holder comes with their squeezer and they both sell one separately, suggesting theirs also come with fixed set holders. I don't see any difference with The Yard. Maybe they could have been more understanding about your mistake, but it appears to me that is was your mistake. The Yard folks have always given me good service and on one occasion adjusted their price to me to meet the competition's price. Also, their shipping cost on small items is a better deal, as they charge only actual cost. You may also note that their price was almost $200 cheaper than that charged by Clear Air Tools http://clearairtools.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=CA&Category_Code=PRS for their rebuilt squeezers, so you got a pretty good deal. BTW, when you want additional yokes, Clear Air seems to have the best deals. Richard Scott RV-9A Wings ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:08:49 PM PST US From: Jeff Point Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Oil Coolers on Ebay --> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point Care to elaborate on that? >I wondered where all the coolers went that were replaced free. > > > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:12:14 PM PST US From: "Greg Puckett" Subject: RV-List: re: Spinners --> RV-List message posted by: "Greg Puckett" Ernie, I've mounted a McCauley constant speed prop on my not yet flying RV-8 and chose not to use Van's spinner kit. The problem with the spinner in the kit is that it's backplate is designed to mount to the rear of Hartzell hub. As I'm sure you know, the McCauley 214 hub does not have this boss for it to mount to. It's spinner backplate gets sandwiched between the hub and the prop flange (in the Mooney application), or in the Cessna application, uses "ears" that go under the prop nuts. I'm sure there is a way to make it work. Louis Smith http://members.aol.com/lousmith/page/rv.html did this on his -8 but after talking to him and others I chose an easier method. I should say easier to fabricate and not easier to pay for. The Whirlwind 200RV propeller http://www.whirlwindaviation.com/series200rv.php uses or used to use a McCauley 214 hub. They provided me with the spinner only and all I had to do is bolt it on. Then I had to rush to work for some OT to pay for it ;-) One other nice thing is that if you ever want to save a little weight up front, you can send them your hub, and they will install their blades onto your 214 hub. The Whirlwind spinner is similar to the Cessna version, that is, it uses the "ears" under the prop nuts. If your hub does not have these "ears" installed under the nuts, you will have to order the Cessna mounting ears and go through the hassle of installing them. This involves tapping the roll pin out of the castle nuts, then removing the nut from the studs. I'm fairly certain the nuts are installed with permanent locktite which makes it a bit of a pain to do. Greg Puckett Elizabeth, CO RV-8 80081 You wrote: This is my first post in several years. I am building an older RV-6 kit and have a question regarding spinners. Has anyone on the list used the spinner supplied in the kit with a McCauley constant speed prop? If so are there any pit falls I should be aware of? Thanks for your help. Ernie Amadio Rv-6 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:26:00 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Yard Store rebuilt squeeze *caution* From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" --> RV-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" As I said, I don't feel that I was cheated and I'm not saying that they did anything wrong. The caution is merely to new builders that might not know the difference. My only experience with squeezers was that they were adjustable so I had no idea. My new hand squeeze from Avery was adjustable. Sub $300 for a pneumatic squeeze is a good deal no matter how you look at it, I just would have like to have known about the lack of adjustment so I could have ordered one with it. That's why I posted, so other people would know. BTW, their pneumatic cleco squeeze is great! But stay away from the individual oilers for $5, they leak into the line when not in use. Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Scott Subject: RV-List: Re: Yard Store rebuilt squeeze *caution* --> RV-List message posted by: Richard Scott Neither Avery nor Cleaveland indicate that an adjustable set holder comes with their squeezer and they both sell one separately, suggesting theirs also come with fixed set holders. I don't see any difference with The Yard. Maybe they could have been more understanding about your mistake, but it appears to me that is was your mistake. The Yard folks have always given me good service and on one occasion adjusted their price to me to meet the competition's price. Also, their shipping cost on small items is a better deal, as they charge only actual cost. You may also note that their price was almost $200 cheaper than that charged by Clear Air Tools http://clearairtools.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=CA &Category_Code=PRS for their rebuilt squeezers, so you got a pretty good deal. BTW, when you want additional yokes, Clear Air seems to have the best deals. Richard Scott RV-9A Wings ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:59:47 PM PST US From: "cgalley" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Oil Coolers on Ebay --> RV-List message posted by: "cgalley" There was one brand of oil cooler that didn't work very well and the company that made them exchanged them all free. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Point" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Oil Coolers on Ebay > --> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point > > Care to elaborate on that? > >>I wondered where all the coolers went that were replaced free. >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:44:33 PM PST US From: "LARRY ADAMSON" Subject: Re: RV-List: Yard Store rebuilt squeeze *caution* --> RV-List message posted by: "LARRY ADAMSON" ----- Original Message ----- From: RV Builder (Michael Sausen) Subject: RV-List: Yard Store rebuilt squeeze *caution* --> RV-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" rvbuilder@Sausen.net [i] This is my own fault for assuming but I wanted to pass it along anyway to anyone considering getting a pneumatic squeeze. Be sure they have an adjustable set holder. [/i] My pneumatic squeezer was non-adjustable; just used the washers which didn't bother me. Bought it used, and it kept it's value for seven years. Since this was used for a lot of repetitious riveting, as compared to my adjustable Avery hand squeezer being used all over the place; it just didn't have to be re-adjusted (washers) much. ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:01:18 PM PST US From: "Konrad L. Werner" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Oil Coolers on Ebay --> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad L. Werner" Wrong statement / Different Cooler manufacturer! Positech had problems earlier, but Aero Classic had none that I know off? But then I am very far from knowing everything. Perhaps I missed any discussions about problems on these? Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: cgalley To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 2:39 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Oil Coolers on Ebay --> RV-List message posted by: "cgalley" I wondered where all the coolers went that were replaced free. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Subject: RV-List: Re: Oil Coolers on Ebay > --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com > > > Jeff, > > This fella has been selling these for awhile. I bought one and it *looks > good*. I plan to pressure test it and will post results at some point. I > also ha > ve a used Harrison the same size, and it weighs more, probably because of > the > cast alum ends... HTH... > > Jerry Cochran > > From: Jeff Point > Subject: RV-List: Oil Coolers on Ebay > > --> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point > > Take a look at these and see what you think. A friend found these and > wants to use one on his -6. What do you think? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd1&item4533025216& > category26442&sspagenameWDVW#ebayphotohosting > > Jeff Point > RV-6 > Milwaukee WI > > >