Today's Message Index:
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1. 12:25 AM - Re: interior paint (Mickey Coggins)
2. 04:06 AM - Re: interior paint (Charles Rowbotham)
3. 04:50 AM - Re: Can't get full aft control deflection (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
4. 05:11 AM - Re: interior paint (Charlie Kuss)
5. 05:32 AM - Re: Teflon hose assembly (Jim Brown)
6. 06:19 AM - Re: Tire wear problem resolution (Bob 1)
7. 07:09 AM - Re: interior paint (Jeff Dowling)
8. 07:39 AM - Re: interior paint (Matthew Brandes)
9. 08:56 AM - Re: Re: Teflon hose assembly (Tom & Cathy Ervin)
10. 09:45 AM - Re: Tire wear problem resolution (luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky))
11. 09:50 AM - Re: Tire wear problem resolution (luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky))
12. 09:59 AM - Garmin Screw (luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky))
13. 10:17 AM - Re: interior paint (Jeff Point)
14. 10:20 AM - Re: Tire wear problem resolution (Sam Buchanan)
15. 10:41 AM - Re: Tire wear problem resolution (Jeff Point)
16. 10:44 AM - Re: Garmin Screw (Jeff Point)
17. 10:49 AM - Re: Garmin Screw (Bob C.)
18. 11:02 AM - Re: Tire wear problem resolution (Sam Buchanan)
19. 11:11 AM - Re: Garmin Screw (Dave Saylor)
20. 11:49 AM - Re: Garmin Screw (Dale Ensing)
21. 12:11 PM - Re: Garmin Screw (Kevin Horton)
22. 12:28 PM - Re: RV-Wiki (was: Prepping. Priming, Painting, Etc.) (Dwight Frye)
23. 01:03 PM - Re: RV-Wiki (was: Prepping. Priming, Painting, Etc.) (Charlie England)
24. 01:45 PM - Re: Garmin Screw (Charlie Kuss)
25. 01:45 PM - Re: RV-Wiki (was: Prepping. Priming, Painting, Etc.) (Jerry Springer)
26. 02:47 PM - Re: RV-Wiki (was: Prepping. Priming, Painting, Etc.) (Dwight Frye)
27. 02:59 PM - Flying through a mountain (Terry Watson)
28. 04:31 PM - Tires, how to get stem out of wheel (Charles Heathco)
29. 07:22 PM - Re: interior paint (gert)
30. 08:43 PM - Re: Tire wear problem resolution (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
31. 09:21 PM - wing incidence (Jeff Orear)
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| Subject: | Re: interior paint |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
I agree. When you think the mechanical stuff is done,
and you are ready to wire, then it's time to paint it.
Mickey
Kyle Boatright wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kboatright1@comcast.net>
>
> One data point..
>
> I painted mine when the shell was more or less complete with seats and
> floorboards. I installed the panel, ran the electrical, and mounted the
> wings afterwards. I was careful and didn't have to touch up anything...
>
> KB
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Greg@itmack" <greg@itmack.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: interior paint
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Greg@itmack" <greg@itmack.com>
>>
>>I'm just starting my RV8 fuse and I'm wandering would it be better to
>>paint the interior cockpit area while I'm building so that I have better
>>access to get into the tight places or paint after it's all assembled.
>>I'm aware that I would have to touch up when it's completed but it seems
>>easier to paint now.
>>
>>Greg
>>RV8
>>82070
>>
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 Wiring
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" <crowbotham@hotmail.com>
Greg,
We used Sherwin Williams - Sun Fire - (a 2-part paint). We sprayed after we
had fitted the interior panels. It has held up well thru the building
process and for the last 4 yrs.
Good Building,
Chuck & Dave Rowbotham
RV-8A
>From: "Greg@itmack" <greg@itmack.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: interior paint
>Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 13:31:56 +1000
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Greg@itmack" <greg@itmack.com>
>
>I'm just starting my RV8 fuse and I'm wandering would it be better to paint
>the interior cockpit area while I'm building so that I have better access
>to get into the tight places or paint after it's all assembled. I'm aware
>that I would have to touch up when it's completed but it seems easier to
>paint now.
>
>Greg
>RV8
>82070
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Can't get full aft control deflection |
--> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com
Walter,
Beautiful website. You definitely don't want that type of binding. It
could break the rod end off. Not a good situation! I assume the stops you're
talking about are at the horns, and you've measured for the proper up elevator
angle. If so, it looks like the obvious solution is to trim a little of the
horn away to clear the rod end. It won't take enough to make any difference
in the strength of the horn. Just get a half round file go to work.
Dan Hopper
Walton, IN
RV-7A (Was flying, now being painted)
In a message dated 3/18/05 10:16:22 P.M. US Eastern Standard Time,
walter@tondu.com writes:
After installing the controls tonight, I found that I can't get
full aft deflection on the controls (to the stops) due to a binding
issue with the rod end bearing and the elevator pivot control
horn. Any help and ideas are appreciated.
Text and pictures here.
http://rv7-a.com/lasttenpercent.htm#3/18/05
Thanks,
--
Walter Tondu
http://www.rv7-a.com
working on the last 10%
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| Subject: | Re: interior paint |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
Greg,
I think that depends on if you intend to Alodine & prime prior to
assembly. If you do, applying the finish paint at this point will save time
later. I primed and painted all my cockpit parts before assembly. I used an
epoxy primer and PPG's Delta (similar to Imron) paint. I found that this
paint is very tough. Even in areas where the rivet set (I back riveted
everything) slipped off the tail of the rivet, almost no damage was done.
In the few places where there was damage, only the finish coat was nicked
off. The primer was still there. Your finished job will turn out much
nicer, if you paint first.
Charlie Kuss
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Greg@itmack" <greg@itmack.com>
>
>I'm just starting my RV8 fuse and I'm wandering would it be better to
>paint the interior cockpit area while I'm building so that I have better
>access to get into the tight places or paint after it's all
>assembled. I'm aware that I would have to touch up when it's completed
>but it seems easier to paint now.
>
>Greg
>RV8
>82070
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Teflon hose assembly |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Brown <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
Go to a hardware store and purchase a tubing bender spring (with 1/2
inch inside diameter), they are about 12 inches long. Snake the spring
thru the landing gear fitting - at that point you can then slide the
fuel line tubing thru the spring.
Jim Brown
RV 7A
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| Subject: | Re: Tire wear problem resolution |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob 1" <rv3a.1@comcast.net>
> > I wrote down at the time (last year's sun n fun) that the condors were
> going for $50. What do the Air Hawks go for new?
>
> $37.80 from Spruce. Beat that with a stick!
>
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/lgpages/mcairhawk.php
>
> do not archive
> )_( Dan
> RV-7 N714D
> http://www.rvproject.com
=================================
My first set of Airhwaks came FREE with my pre-owned RV-3. The second set of
Airhhawks were my mistake, using price alone as a measuring "stick". They
were badly out of round and balancing was impossible. Tire mileage sucked,
and this case, it was a blessing not to suffer any longer than necessary.
No longer do I confuse initial price with VALUE and SAFETY.
My 'really round' Condors not only give me more miles per dollar, but
STABILITY that Airhawks cannot begin to match. My RV3 taildragger almost
guides itself, now. The 120 mph ground speed rating is comforting, too.
So, what is stable taildragger steering, safety and comfort worth? Spruce
currently lists Condors for very little more. For balanceable, rounder tires
with added stability and more miles per dollar, Condor represents true value
and.... the only way to fly, IMO. Can't beat that with a stick! <g>
P.S.
Spruce is hardly the only tire game in town. Surf the Net. My Condors came
via a limited rebate bargain program some years ago through Chance Aviation.
I bought TWO sets at that time. A lifetime supply. <smirk>
Bob
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| Subject: | Re: interior paint |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
I would also make some cardboard patterns of your interior in case you
decide to put insulation in the cockpit. I did it after and what a pain in
the @%$.
Shemp/Jeff Dowling
RV-6A, N915JD
165 hours
Chicago/Louisville
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Oke" <wjoke@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: RV-List: interior paint
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jim Oke <wjoke@shaw.ca>
>
> Hi;
>
> My recommendation would be to paint after the interior is largely complete
> (baggage side panels, seats, floor, etc.) but before wiring. Putting all
> the
> wiring in and then removing same to paint would be a significant cost in
> time and effort.
>
> Depending on what paint method you choose (rattle can or HVLP sprayer) you
> are right that it will be probably be easier to do some of the more
> awkward
> places as you proceed rather than leave it all till the end.
>
> Jim Oke
> RV-6A
> Wpg., MB
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Greg@itmack" <greg@itmack.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: interior paint
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Greg@itmack" <greg@itmack.com>
>>
>> I'm just starting my RV8 fuse and I'm wandering would it be better to
>> paint the interior cockpit area while I'm building so that I have better
>> access to get into the tight places or paint after it's all assembled.
>> I'm aware that I would have to touch up when it's completed but it seems
>> easier to paint now.
>>
>> Greg
>> RV8
>> 82070
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: interior paint |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Matthew Brandes" <matthew@n523rv.com>
Greg,
I'll suggest another alternative. I painted all of the little pieces and parts
that I knew I wouldn't be able to reach once they were riveted on. Later, after
the fuselage was all riveted together, I went back and painted everything
inside. This worked out really well as all the hard to paint places were already
painted, I just needed to hit the big flat surfaces. I would also suggest
waiting as long as possible to paint.... right before the wiring process people
are suggesting is a good idea. You'll be in and out of the fuselage a lot.
Matthew
RV-9A Finsish Kit
www.n523rv.com
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| Subject: | Re: Teflon hose assembly |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" <tcervin@valkyrie.net>
Good idea......I also used Bulk Head Fittings where the fuel lines exit the
fuselage which makes it much easier to connect the wing tanks.
Tom in Ohio
----- Original Message -----
From: <Oldsfolks@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: Re: Teflon hose assembly
> --> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
>
> I put the aluminum line through the gear mouni in two pieces,that made it
> easier and it fit.
> Bob Olds
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tire wear problem resolution |
--> RV-List message posted by: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky)
http://www.desser.com/epdf/ACJuneFinal04-dtr.pdf
Here's a web site w/ good prices and this particular link is the Aviation Consumer
writeup on tires.
The airhawks scored a 5.9 relative ranking. The Condor was an 8.8. It's worth
reading if you got nothing better to do...
Lucky
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob 1"
>
> > > I wrote down at the time (last year's sun n fun) that the condors were
> > going for $50. What do the Air Hawks go for new?
> >
> > $37.80 from Spruce. Beat that with a stick!
> >
> > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/lgpages/mcairhawk.php
> >
> > do not archive
> > )_( Dan
> > RV-7 N714D
> > http://www.rvproject.com
>
> =================================
>
> My first set of Airhwaks came FREE with my pre-owned RV-3. The second set of
> Airhhawks were my mistake, using price alone as a measuring "stick". They
> were badly out of round and balancing was impossible. Tire mileage sucked,
> and this case, it was a blessing not to suffer any longer than necessary.
>
> No longer do I confuse initial price with VALUE and SAFETY.
>
> My 'really round' Condors not only give me more miles per dollar, but
> STABILITY that Airhawks cannot begin to match. My RV3 taildragger almost
> guides itself, now. The 120 mph ground speed rating is comforting, too.
>
> So, what is stable taildragger steering, safety and comfort worth? Spruce
> currently lists Condors for very little more. For balanceable, rounder tires
> with added stability and more miles per dollar, Condor represents true value
> and.... the only way to fly, IMO. Can't beat that with a stick!
>
> P.S.
> Spruce is hardly the only tire game in town. Surf the Net. My Condors came
> via a limited rebate bargain program some years ago through Chance Aviation.
> I bought TWO sets at that time. A lifetime supply.
>
> Bob
>
>
>
>
>
>
http://www.desser.com/epdf/ACJuneFinal04-dtr.pdf
Here's a web site w/ good prices and this particular link is the Aviation Consumer
writeup on tires.
The airhawks scored a 5.9 relative ranking. The Condor was an 8.8. It's worth reading
if you got nothing better to do...
Lucky
-------------- Original message --------------
-- RV-List message posted by: "Bob 1" <RV3A.1@COMCAST.NET>
I wrote down at the time (last year's sun n fun) that the condors were
going for $50. What do the Air Hawks go for new?
$37.80 from Spruce. Beat that with a stick!
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/lgpages/mcairhawk.php
do not archive
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
=================================
My first set of Airhwaks came FREE with my pre-owned RV-3. The second set of
Airhhawks were my mistake, using price alone as a measuring "stick". They
were badly out of round and balancing was impossible. Tire mileage sucked,
and th
is case, it was a blessing not to suffer any longer than necessary.
No longer do I confuse initial price with VALUE and SAFETY.
My 'really round' Condors not only give me more miles per dollar, but
STABILITY that Airhawks cannot begin to match. My RV3 taildragger almost
guides itself, now. The 120 mph ground speed rating is comforting, too.
So, what is stable taildragger steering, safety and comfort worth? Spruce
currently lists Condors for very little more. For balanceable, rounder tires
with added stability and more miles per dollar, Condor represents true value
and.... the only way to fly, IMO. Can't beat that with a stick! <G>
P.S.
Spruce is hardly the only tire game in town. Surf the Net. My Condors came
via a limited rebate bargain program some years ago through Chance Aviation.
I bought TWO sets at that time. A lifetime supply.
<SMIRK>
Bob
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| Subject: | Re: Tire wear problem resolution |
--> RV-List message posted by: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky)
forgot to mention the AirHawks were the HEAVIEST tire listed, by far, in the one
table that had weights. 17.9 pounds a piece in this chart where the condors
are 8.8 pounds a piece. Wow, 20 pounds of extra tire weight. That's heavier
than a friggin Prestolite Starter!
lucky
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob 1"
>
> > > I wrote down at the time (last year's sun n fun) that the condors were
> > going for $50. What do the Air Hawks go for new?
> >
> > $37.80 from Spruce. Beat that with a stick!
> >
> > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/lgpages/mcairhawk.php
> >
> > do not archive
> > )_( Dan
> > RV-7 N714D
> > http://www.rvproject.com
>
> =================================
>
> My first set of Airhwaks came FREE with my pre-owned RV-3. The second set of
> Airhhawks were my mistake, using price alone as a measuring "stick". They
> were badly out of round and balancing was impossible. Tire mileage sucked,
> and this case, it was a blessing not to suffer any longer than necessary.
>
> No longer do I confuse initial price with VALUE and SAFETY.
>
> My 'really round' Condors not only give me more miles per dollar, but
> STABILITY that Airhawks cannot begin to match. My RV3 taildragger almost
> guides itself, now. The 120 mph ground speed rating is comforting, too.
>
> So, what is stable taildragger steering, safety and comfort worth? Spruce
> currently lists Condors for very little more. For balanceable, rounder tires
> with added stability and more miles per dollar, Condor represents true value
> and.... the only way to fly, IMO. Can't beat that with a stick!
>
> P.S.
> Spruce is hardly the only tire game in town. Surf the Net. My Condors came
> via a limited rebate bargain program some years ago through Chance Aviation.
> I bought TWO sets at that time. A lifetime supply.
>
> Bob
>
>
>
>
>
>
forgot to mention the AirHawks were the HEAVIEST tire listed, by far, in the one
table that had weights. 17.9 pounds a piece in this chart where the condors
are 8.8 pounds a piece. Wow, 20 pounds of extra tire weight. That's heavier than
a friggin Prestolite Starter!
lucky
-------------- Original message --------------
-- RV-List message posted by: "Bob 1" <RV3A.1@COMCAST.NET>
I wrote down at the time (last year's sun n fun) that the condors were
going for $50. What do the Air Hawks go for new?
$37.80 from Spruce. Beat that with a stick!
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/lgpages/mcairhawk.php
do not archive
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
=================================
My first set of Airhwaks came FREE with my pre-owned RV-3. The second set of
Airhhawks were my mistake, using price alone as a measuring "stick". They
were badly out of round and balancing was impossible. Tire mileage sucked,
and th
is case, it was a blessing not to suffer any longer than necessary.
No longer do I confuse initial price with VALUE and SAFETY.
My 'really round' Condors not only give me more miles per dollar, but
STABILITY that Airhawks cannot begin to match. My RV3 taildragger almost
guides itself, now. The 120 mph ground speed rating is comforting, too.
So, what is stable taildragger steering, safety and comfort worth? Spruce
currently lists Condors for very little more. For balanceable, rounder tires
with added stability and more miles per dollar, Condor represents true value
and.... the only way to fly, IMO. Can't beat that with a stick! <G>
P.S.
Spruce is hardly the only tire game in town. Surf the Net. My Condors came
via a limited rebate bargain program some years ago through Chance Aviation.
I bought TWO sets at that time. A lifetime supply.
<SMIRK>
Bob
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--> RV-List message posted by: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky)
My Garmin transponder I ordered from Stark didn't come with any of the flush screws
needed inside the tray. I wasted over an hour running around town trying
to find machine screws that would lay flush in there to no avail.
One Old Timer hardware store guy said they must be "special" screws and asked me
twice if it wasn't from china. Well special or not they sure as heck weren't
findable in this town and it would have been nice to have gotten them with the
tray or at least been told that the "special" screws had to be purchases separately.
Anyone know just what the heck kind of screw I need to ask for and who can I order
them from?
thanks,
lucky
My Garmin transponder I ordered from Stark didn't come with any of the flush screws
needed inside the tray. I wasted over an hour running around town trying
to find machine screws that would lay flush in there to no avail.
One Old Timer hardware store guy said they must be "special" screws and asked me
twice if it wasn't from china. Well special or not they sure as heck weren't
findable in this town and it would have been nice to have gotten them with the
tray or at least been told that the "special" screws had to be purchases separately.
Anyone know just what the heck kind of screw I need to ask for and who can I order
them from?
thanks,
lucky
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| Subject: | Re: interior paint |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
I'll second the SW Sunfire paint. I painted the interior as soon as the
structure of the "canoe" was done. It held up very well over the next
year of climbing in and out 10,000 times, dropping tools, etc. Mix it
1:1 with the flattening base (10% gloss) and add the hardener as well.
And it's usually available locally.
Jeff Point
RV-6
Milwaukee WI
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tire wear problem resolution |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
lucky wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky)
>
> forgot to mention the AirHawks were the HEAVIEST tire listed, by far,
> in the one table that had weights. 17.9 pounds a piece in this
> chart where the condors are 8.8 pounds a piece. Wow, 20 pounds of
> extra tire weight. That's heavier than a friggin Prestolite Starter!
That was obviously a misprint; I suspect the weight of two Air Hawks is
17.9 lbs. I didn't weigh the Air Hawks I installed on my RV-6, but I
have recollection of them being noticeably heavier than the Aero
Trainers, Michelins, retreads, or Condors I have used in the past.
One of the retreads I ran was nearly 1/4" out of round. Many folks have
had good experience with them but I didn't get significantly better wear
with the retreads than the other tires. Since they cost as much as Air
Hawks or Condors, I have decided to skip the retreads.
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Re: Tire wear problem resolution |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
I recall reading that at the time this article came out, and thinking it
was a typo. It appears to be a typo indeed. Spruce has a chart of the
weight of various tires, and the heaviest Airhawk 6:00-6 8 ply is 7.8
lbs., not 17.9. Also they tested the 6.00-6 which is bigger than our
tires. The RV-sized 5.00-5 6 ply is 4.3 lbs.
Jeff Point
150 hours on my first Airhawks and probably 100 more left.
Milwaukee WI
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin Screw |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
I used regular 100 deg countersunk #8 screws. They don't fit in the
dimple in the tray perfectly, however they do leave plenty of clearance
for the radio to slide in and out, and they hold the tray securely.
This is on a Garmin GTX320, YMMV.
Jeff Point
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob C. " <flyboy.bob@gmail.com>
So what does Stark say???
On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 17:58:12 +0000 0.00 MIME_BOUND_NEXTPART Spam
tool pattern in MIME boundary 0.00 RCVD_DOUBLE_IP_LOOSE Received: by
and from look like IP addresses, lucky <luckymacy@comcast.net> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky)
>
> My Garmin transponder I ordered from Stark didn't come with any of the flush
screws needed inside the tray. I wasted over an hour running around town trying
to find machine screws that would lay flush in there to no avail.
>
> One Old Timer hardware store guy said they must be "special" screws and asked
me twice if it wasn't from china. Well special or not they sure as heck weren't
findable in this town and it would have been nice to have gotten them with
the tray or at least been told that the "special" screws had to be purchases
separately.
>
> Anyone know just what the heck kind of screw I need to ask for and who can I
order them from?
>
> thanks,
> lucky
>
> My Garmin transponder I ordered from Stark didn't come with any of the flush
screws needed inside the tray. I wasted over an hour running around town trying
to find machine screws that would lay flush in there to no avail.
>
> One Old Timer hardware store guy said they must be "special" screws and asked
me twice if it wasn't from china. Well special or not they sure as heck weren't
findable in this town and it would have been nice to have gotten them with
the tray or at least been told that the "special" screws had to be purchases separately.
>
> Anyone know just what the heck kind of screw I need to ask for and who can I
order them from?
>
> thanks,
> lucky
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tire wear problem resolution |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
Sam Buchanan wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
>
> lucky wrote:
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky)
>>
>>forgot to mention the AirHawks were the HEAVIEST tire listed, by far,
>>in the one table that had weights. 17.9 pounds a piece in this
>>chart where the condors are 8.8 pounds a piece. Wow, 20 pounds of
>>extra tire weight. That's heavier than a friggin Prestolite Starter!
>
>
>
> That was obviously a misprint; I suspect the weight of two Air Hawks is
> 17.9 lbs. I didn't weigh the Air Hawks I installed on my RV-6, but I
> have recollection of them being noticeably heavier than the Aero
> Trainers, Michelins, retreads, or Condors I have used in the past.
Correction; should have read:
"I have no recollection"......
Sam Buchanan
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Saylor" <Dave@AirCraftersLLC.com>
NAS514P632-XX should do it. Aircraft Spruce page 92 (2004/2005).
Avionics never come with the tray mounting hardware. There are too many
options available to the installer for the manufacturer to try to anticipate
which hardware is required.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
831-722-9141
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of lucky
Subject: RV-List: Garmin Screw
--> RV-List message posted by: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky)
My Garmin transponder I ordered from Stark didn't come with any of the flush
screws needed inside the tray. I wasted over an hour running around town
trying to find machine screws that would lay flush in there to no avail.
One Old Timer hardware store guy said they must be "special" screws and
asked me twice if it wasn't from china. Well special or not they sure as
heck weren't findable in this town and it would have been nice to have
gotten them with the tray or at least been told that the "special" screws
had to be purchases separately.
Anyone know just what the heck kind of screw I need to ask for and who can I
order them from?
thanks,
lucky
My Garmin transponder I ordered from Stark didn't come with any of the flush
screws needed inside the tray. I wasted over an hour running around town
trying to find machine screws that would lay flush in there to no avail.
One Old Timer hardware store guy said they must be "special" screws and
asked me twice if it wasn't from china. Well special or not they sure as
heck weren't findable in this town and it would have been nice to have
gotten them with the tray or at least been told that the "special" screws
had to be purchases separately.
Anyone know just what the heck kind of screw I need to ask for and who can I
order them from?
thanks,
lucky
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
The hardware store screws are not 100 deg. Think they are 90 deg or
something like that. Therefore they do not seat down into the tray dimples.
Dale Ensing
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--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
>--> RV-List message posted by: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky)
>
>My Garmin transponder I ordered from Stark didn't come with any of
>the flush screws needed inside the tray. I wasted over an hour
>running around town trying to find machine screws that would lay
>flush in there to no avail.
>
>One Old Timer hardware store guy said they must be "special" screws
>and asked me twice if it wasn't from china. Well special or not
>they sure as heck weren't findable in this town and it would have
>been nice to have gotten them with the tray or at least been told
>that the "special" screws had to be purchases separately.
>
>Anyone know just what the heck kind of screw I need to ask for and
>who can I order them from?
>
>thanks,
>lucky
>
>My Garmin transponder I ordered from Stark didn't come with any of
>the flush screws needed inside the tray. I wasted over an hour
>running around town trying to find machine screws that would lay
>flush in there to no avail.
>
>One Old Timer hardware store guy said they must be "special" screws
>and asked me twice if it wasn't from china. Well special or not they
>sure as heck weren't findable in this town and it would have been
>nice to have gotten them with the tray or at least been told that
>the "special" screws had to be purchases separately.
>
>Anyone know just what the heck kind of screw I need to ask for and
>who can I order them from?
I used standard aviation #6 screws, exactly the same as are used in
many other places on our aircraft. AN525 screws, IIRC.
--
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
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--> RV-List message posted by: Dwight Frye <dwight@openweave.org>
On Sat Mar 19 00:38:26 2005, j1j2h3@juno.com wrote :
>Please add my vote to those in favor of this project. I am not a computer
>guru but would be pleased to aid in entering data from previous Matronics
>postings.
>[ ... snip ... ]
>I think this thread should be kept on the RV-list for a while, or at least
>a progress report listed periodically to help gauge and build interest.
>Perhaps Matronics would consider running it on their site as a supplement
>to their lists.
Jim (and anyone else who is interested),
There are a few of us talking about pulling together a Wiki off-list. The
discussion was taken (mostly) off-list so we didn't clutter up everyone's
inbox with a discussion they might not be interested in reading about (though
I am sure everyone on this list likely has well developed the ability to
delete e-mail messages). But since you asked on-list, I thought I'd give a
brief reply on-list.
I hesitate to dump even an abridged-and-organized version of the RV-list
postings into the Wiki unaltered. There are a couple of reasons for that.
For one we already have the RV-list archives which support a great search
mechanism. So, in a sense, the ability for newcomers to go back and look
at previous postings is taken care of with the Matronics search as well
as in other forums.
The second reason I hesitate to dump postings into the Wiki has to do with
a (potentially overdeveloped) sense of concern for ownership and the rights
of the original authors to not have their work used without giving explicit
permission. IF the _author_ wants to take what they wrote and contribute
an article ... say a "howto" on some subject or another, FANTASTIC! :) That
is what we would like to see happen *if* the Wiki gets off the ground.
Finally, it is our thinking that a Wiki would serve a very different
purpose than the existing forums. We currently have forums in which there
is a dialog between members (the Matronics lists, the Yahoo groups, the
forums on Doug Reeves' site, RivetBangers.com, and others). Each of these
venues allow you to pull up information ... and tends to deliver it in
the form of a "narative", where you get the list of e-mail/messages on
the topic you select, and can scan through them in order pulling out what
you want or need.
Alternatively, the main part of Doug Reeves' site is more a news and events
outlet. This is yet another way to gather and distribute information. In
this case it (somewhat) filters through an editor who helps condense things
into a nicely packaged, continually updated, list of "articles" which get
posted.
We don't intend the Wiki to be a be a discussion forum. The Wiki technology
isn't even well suited to that task. We don't intend the Wiki to be a news
outlet either. In short the goal of the Wiki would be to allow us all to
cooperatively gather knowledge about the building, maintaining, and flying
of RVs. There will be areas of interest, and articles written in those
areas by folks who volunteer to share their experiences. So rather than
being a "narative", it will be more an evolving "encyclopedia" of RV (and
maybe in a more general sense, homebuilding) knowledge. The structure of
the site can evolve as better ways to organize it are identified. In fact
YOU (each of you) can participate, contribute, and modify the site at will.
It is felt that something like a Wiki would actually be a good _compliment_
for all of the existing forums ... a subject we can talk about more if folks
are intersted.
We see this as fitting into a niche that is different from the existing
forums and venues. Will it fly? (Pun intended.) Who knows? We are tempted
to throw it up and just see. In fact, I start to get tempted to throw
the Wiki up but .. for now .. have it be oriented toward just collecting
information and making plans for the Wiki itself. People with suggestions
can come there and post their thoughts.
Anyway ... this has gotten longer than I intended, so I'll wrap it up here.
If you are interested in the Wiki (or just think you might be), drop me
a line off-list and lets talk. As news becomes worth sharing, we'll post
it here (and likely elsewhere too).
-- Dwight
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Prepping. Priming, Painting, Etc.) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
Dwight Frye wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Dwight Frye <dwight@openweave.org>
>
>On Sat Mar 19 00:38:26 2005, j1j2h3@juno.com wrote :
>
>
>>Please add my vote to those in favor of this project. I am not a computer
>>guru but would be pleased to aid in entering data from previous Matronics
>>postings.
>>[ ... snip ... ]
>>I think this thread should be kept on the RV-list for a while, or at least
>>a progress report listed periodically to help gauge and build interest.
>>Perhaps Matronics would consider running it on their site as a supplement
>>to their lists.
>>
>>
>
>Jim (and anyone else who is interested),
>
>There are a few of us talking about pulling together a Wiki off-list. The
>discussion was taken (mostly) off-list so we didn't clutter up everyone's
>inbox with a discussion they might not be interested in reading about (though
>I am sure everyone on this list likely has well developed the ability to
>delete e-mail messages). But since you asked on-list, I thought I'd give a
>brief reply on-list.
>
>I hesitate to dump even an abridged-and-organized version of the RV-list
>postings into the Wiki unaltered. There are a couple of reasons for that.
>For one we already have the RV-list archives which support a great search
>mechanism. So, in a sense, the ability for newcomers to go back and look
>at previous postings is taken care of with the Matronics search as well
>as in other forums.
>
>The second reason I hesitate to dump postings into the Wiki has to do with
>a (potentially overdeveloped) sense of concern for ownership and the rights
>of the original authors to not have their work used without giving explicit
>permission. IF the _author_ wants to take what they wrote and contribute
>an article ... say a "howto" on some subject or another, FANTASTIC! :) That
>is what we would like to see happen *if* the Wiki gets off the ground.
>
>Finally, it is our thinking that a Wiki would serve a very different
>purpose than the existing forums. We currently have forums in which there
>is a dialog between members (the Matronics lists, the Yahoo groups, the
>forums on Doug Reeves' site, RivetBangers.com, and others). Each of these
>venues allow you to pull up information ... and tends to deliver it in
>the form of a "narative", where you get the list of e-mail/messages on
>the topic you select, and can scan through them in order pulling out what
>you want or need.
>
>Alternatively, the main part of Doug Reeves' site is more a news and events
>outlet. This is yet another way to gather and distribute information. In
>this case it (somewhat) filters through an editor who helps condense things
>into a nicely packaged, continually updated, list of "articles" which get
>posted.
>
>We don't intend the Wiki to be a be a discussion forum. The Wiki technology
>isn't even well suited to that task. We don't intend the Wiki to be a news
>outlet either. In short the goal of the Wiki would be to allow us all to
>cooperatively gather knowledge about the building, maintaining, and flying
>of RVs. There will be areas of interest, and articles written in those
>areas by folks who volunteer to share their experiences. So rather than
>being a "narative", it will be more an evolving "encyclopedia" of RV (and
>maybe in a more general sense, homebuilding) knowledge. The structure of
>the site can evolve as better ways to organize it are identified. In fact
>YOU (each of you) can participate, contribute, and modify the site at will.
>
>It is felt that something like a Wiki would actually be a good _compliment_
>for all of the existing forums ... a subject we can talk about more if folks
>are intersted.
>
>We see this as fitting into a niche that is different from the existing
>forums and venues. Will it fly? (Pun intended.) Who knows? We are tempted
>to throw it up and just see. In fact, I start to get tempted to throw
>the Wiki up but .. for now .. have it be oriented toward just collecting
>information and making plans for the Wiki itself. People with suggestions
>can come there and post their thoughts.
>
>Anyway ... this has gotten longer than I intended, so I'll wrap it up here.
>If you are interested in the Wiki (or just think you might be), drop me
>a line off-list and lets talk. As news becomes worth sharing, we'll post
>it here (and likely elsewhere too).
>
> -- Dwight
>
Sorry Dwight; I think this startup stuff really should be archived.
My request: I hope that when you go live, it will remain truly open like
the list, but with better organized info like Wikipedia.
Thanks for your efforts. I think that this could be a giant step forward
for the homebuilding community.
Charlie
(most adept at using others' ideas)
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin Screw |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
Lucky
Use AN519C-10R8 screws (aka MS24694C-10R8). I got mine from ACS. See
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/ms24694.php
The screws are not supposed to be completely flush. The rack is made
slightly wider than necessary. This allows the radio to be installed &
removed with ease. Those slightly protruding screw heads act as spacers to
help "center" the radio in your tray. They prevent the face of the radio
from moving side to side to much. These worked great on my Icom A200 and my
RMI MicroMonitor as well.
Charlie Kuss
>--> RV-List message posted by: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky)
>
>My Garmin transponder I ordered from Stark didn't come with any of the
>flush screws needed inside the tray. I wasted over an hour running around
>town trying to find machine screws that would lay flush in there to no avail.
>
>One Old Timer hardware store guy said they must be "special" screws and
>asked me twice if it wasn't from china. Well special or not they sure as
>heck weren't findable in this town and it would have been nice to have
>gotten them with the tray or at least been told that the "special" screws
>had to be purchases separately.
>
>Anyone know just what the heck kind of screw I need to ask for and who can
>I order them from?
>
>thanks,
>lucky
>
>My Garmin transponder I ordered from Stark didn't come with any of the
>flush screws needed inside the tray. I wasted over an hour running around
>town trying to find machine screws that would lay flush in there to no avail.
>
>One Old Timer hardware store guy said they must be "special" screws and
>asked me twice if it wasn't from china. Well special or not they sure as
>heck weren't findable in this town and it would have been nice to have
>gotten them with the tray or at least been told that the "special" screws
>had to be purchases separately.
>
>Anyone know just what the heck kind of screw I need to ask for and who can
>I order them from?
>
>thanks,
>lucky
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@comcast.net>
Charlie England wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
>
>Dwight Frye wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Dwight Frye <dwight@openweave.org>
>>
>>On Sat Mar 19 00:38:26 2005, j1j2h3@juno.com wrote :
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Please add my vote to those in favor of this project. I am not a computer
>>>guru but would be pleased to aid in entering data from previous Matronics
>>>postings.
>>>[ ... snip ... ]
>>>I think this thread should be kept on the RV-list for a while, or at least
>>>a progress report listed periodically to help gauge and build interest.
>>>Perhaps Matronics would consider running it on their site as a supplement
>>>to their lists.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Jim (and anyone else who is interested),
>>
>>There are a few of us talking about pulling together a Wiki off-list. The
>>
>>
>>*snip*
>>
>>Anyway ... this has gotten longer than I intended, so I'll wrap it up here.
>>If you are interested in the Wiki (or just think you might be), drop me
>>a line off-list and lets talk. As news becomes worth sharing, we'll post
>>it here (and likely elsewhere too).
>>
>> -- Dwight
>>
>>
>>
>
>Sorry Dwight; I think this startup stuff really should be archived.
>
>
>
Sorry Charlie, I think Dwight was right in not archiving it. Something
of this nature does not need to clutter up
Matts archive files. IMO.
do not archive.
Jerry
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--> RV-List message posted by: Dwight Frye <dwight@openweave.org>
On Sat Mar 19 16:01:52 2005, Charlie England wrote :
>Sorry Dwight; I think this startup stuff really should be archived.
>
>My request: I hope that when you go live, it will remain truly open like
>the list, but with better organized info like Wikipedia.
>
>Thanks for your efforts. I think that this could be a giant step forward
>for the homebuilding community.
Well, I'm trying to be careful here and not cause anyone grief, which
is why I'm trying to be careful with my 'do not archive'. I can see
both views (archive vs not archive) and am tending to the conservative
end of the spectrum. I see the startup discussion as somewhat of a
"meta discussion" and not _directly_ relevent to RV building itself.
Clearly, someone can opt to archive it if they wish (which you did) and
I have no opinion about that beyond my own feelings about *me* choosing
to archive.
So ... enough about archiving ...... and since you comment on-list, I
will respond on-list.
Speaking to the other point you make, I tend to agree that it *could*
be a real asset to the community (else I would not be willing to take
a little time away from riveting and other important life activities).
Whether it really *does* become valuable will depend upon the RV
community itself. If folks contribute their knowledge ... it could be
great. If not, well ... we can always turn it off again. :)
As far as policies goes, they are still forming (and will likely continue
to form for a long time to come after we have put the thing online). At
this point I very much intend it to be open, like the list, but with
an eye toward being organized much *like* Wikipedia. In fact, I am
looking at that project as a template for what I would like to see done
with the RVWiki. Anyone can participate. Everyone is welcome (invited!)
to share their knowledge. The goal will be to try and create as
authoratative a source of information as possible ... with the idea
in mind that with enough eyeballs on the material any mistake or problem
will eventually get found.
I also realize that often .. maybe always .. there are more than one
way to skin a cat. Unlike a real encyclopedia which is essentially just
relating facts (reality might not match that ideal, but I think that is
the ideal), we will be capturing more than just dry facts. We will be
capturing techniques for solving problems and approaches to fabricating
parts of aircraft. There *will* be differing opinions and techniques,
each with its own advantages and disadvantages. Capturing that sort
of variety and still have it well organized is going to be, I think,
one of the biggest challenges. I sollicit opinions from everyone on
ways to handle that.
Someone (in an off-list e-mail) likened the Wiki to a on-line, continually
updated, highly-accessable version of the 24 Years of the RVAtor. Not
so much that it will replicate that publication ... but that it will
capture knowledge in the form of articles and that it will serve a
similar role for newcomers. I like that idea.
-- Dwight
do not archive
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| Subject: | Flying through a mountain |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
A relative sent me this today. I think there should be something added,
like "Don't try this at home."
http://www.haute-voltige.com/inter/videos/videos.htm
Terry
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Tires, how to get stem out of wheel |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Heathco" <cheathco@comcast.net>
First time Ive changed this kind of tire. whats the time honored method of getting
the tube stem out of wheel grommet? charlie heathco
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| Subject: | Re: interior paint |
--> RV-List message posted by: gert <gert.v@sbcglobal.net>
I'll jump right in line here, after seeing Jeff's result I went the same
route.. ..
I lost count of the times I dropped a screwdriver or wrench on it. a nut
or a bolt......
And of course my kids climing in and out.......oh yeah their nicknames
are the Mud Twins,,, Paint's holding up great.
gert
Jeff Point wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
>
>I'll second the SW Sunfire paint. I painted the interior as soon as the
>structure of the "canoe" was done. It held up very well over the next
>year of climbing in and out 10,000 times, dropping tools, etc. Mix it
>1:1 with the flattening base (10% gloss) and add the hardener as well.
>And it's usually available locally.
>
>Jeff Point
>RV-6
>Milwaukee WI
>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
--
is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500
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--> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
In a message dated 03/19/2005 11:51:07 AM Central Standard Time,
luckymacy@comcast.net writes:
forgot to mention the AirHawks were the HEAVIEST tire listed, by far, in the
one table that had weights. 17.9 pounds a piece in this chart where the
condors are 8.8 pounds a piece. Wow, 20 pounds of extra tire weight. That's
heavier than a friggin Prestolite Starter!
>>>>
Hi Lucky-
I remember seeing the article, but didn't notice the weight difference- I
thought 17.9 sounded pretty hard to believe, so I commandeered the wifs
ultra-accurate cooking scale and loaded it up with an Air Hawk (kit supplied) that
came
off my -6A at 100 hours. It still has a bit over 1/8" grooves left (the one
that wore evenly from the right side- the left was bald on the outside, hence
the switch to Condors/Airstops) and even with the original tube still in the
tire, it only weighed 5 lbs, 11 oz. Looks like they were either lying or just
pulled a fat-finger in the article?
From The PossumWorks in TN
Mark Phillips N51PW, 153 hrs
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Orear" <jorear@new.rr.com>
List:
Just trying to plan ahead here.....What is the maximum that you can actually adjust/set
the incidence on a 6/6A wing? A full degree?? Half a degree?? It seems
that with the fit of the spars to the fuselage bulkhead that there would
be very little room for making any significant change in the incidence of the
wing.
If you need to change the incidence to any degree, you will have to put quite a
bit of force on the aft edge of the wing to get any movement back there, thus
really putting a heavy shear load on that one poor bolt in the rear spar.
I don't have my wings installed yet, so I am just speculating here. Am I concerned
over nothing??
Regards,
Jeff Orear
RV6A N782P (reserved)
Finishing up firewall forward
Peshtigo, WI
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