Today's Message Index:
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1. 04:35 AM - Re: Insurance (Jeff Dowling)
2. 05:38 AM - private airport (Brian Kraut)
3. 06:02 AM - Re: Canopy Breaker Survival Gear (Frank Eldridge)
4. 06:21 AM - Re: Canopy Breaker Survival Gear (Randy)
5. 06:28 AM - Re: private airport (Matt Johnson)
6. 06:28 AM - Re: private airport (Bob C.)
7. 06:31 AM - Re: private airport (John Furey)
8. 06:55 AM - Re: private airport (Sterling)
9. 06:56 AM - Re: Canopy Breaker Survival Gear (Andy Gold)
10. 07:09 AM - Over Square (Ivan McLaws)
11. 07:14 AM - Re: Canopy Breaker Survival Gear (Bobby Hester)
12. 07:19 AM - Re: Canopy Breaker Survival Gear (Jeff Dowling)
13. 07:19 AM - Re: Canopy Breaker Survival Gear (Mickey Coggins)
14. 07:24 AM - Re: Re: Canopy Breaker Survival Gear ()
15. 07:39 AM - Reaming vs Drilling (MLWynn@aol.com)
16. 07:55 AM - Autopilot - To Have or Not to Have (Valovich, Paul)
17. 07:59 AM - Re: Canopy Breaker Survival Gear (Aircraft Technical Book Company)
18. 08:15 AM - Re: Over Square (Skylor Piper)
19. 08:27 AM - Re: Autopilot - To Have or Not to Have (Tony Marshall)
20. 08:31 AM - Re: Canopy Breaker Survival Gear (Richard Tasker)
21. 08:32 AM - Re: Canopy Breaker Survival Gear (John Danielson)
22. 08:52 AM - Quick release "pull" pins (JOHN STARN)
23. 09:09 AM - Question on Registration paperwork (Richard Suffoletto)
24. 09:09 AM - Re: Autopilot - To Have or Not to Have (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
25. 09:18 AM - Re: Autopilot - To Have or Not to Have (Ed Anderson)
26. 09:20 AM - Canopy Breaker Survivor Tool (John)
27. 09:47 AM - Re: Insurance (Bob 1)
28. 09:52 AM - Re: Reaming vs Drilling (Bob C.)
29. 09:55 AM - Re: Quick release "pull" pins (Bob C.)
30. 10:19 AM - Re: Quick release "pull" pins (Konrad L. Werner)
31. 10:20 AM - Canopy Breaker Tool (jim & terri truitt)
32. 10:25 AM - Re: private airport (John Myers)
33. 10:33 AM - Re: Autopilot - To Have or Not to Have (HCRV6@aol.com)
34. 11:00 AM - Re: Canopy Breaker Survival Gear (Pat Hatch)
35. 11:01 AM - Re: Autopilot - To Have or Not to Have (Doug Rozendaal)
36. 11:21 AM - Re: Reaming vs Drilling (Paul Trotter)
37. 11:42 AM - Re: private airport (Kathleen@rv7.us)
38. 11:58 AM - Re: Canopy Breaker Survival Gear ()
39. 12:11 PM - Re: Quick release "pull" pins (Bob C.)
40. 12:11 PM - Re: Canopy Breaker Survival Gear (Chris W)
41. 12:13 PM - Garmin Navigation Alert (Walter Tondu)
42. 12:21 PM - Re: Re: Canopy Breaker Survival Gear (Cory Emberson)
43. 12:21 PM - Re: Re: Canopy Breaker Survival Gear (Scott Vanartsdalen)
44. 12:27 PM - Re: Re: Canopy Breaker Survival Gear (Cory Emberson)
45. 12:33 PM - Re: Canopy Breaker Survival Gear (Chris W)
46. 12:44 PM - Re: Quick release "pull" pins (JOHN STARN)
47. 12:44 PM - Re: Quick release "pull" pins (Chris W)
48. 12:56 PM - Re: Re: Canopy Breaker Survival Gear (Mitch Faatz)
49. 01:17 PM - Re: Question on Registration paperwork (James H Nelson)
50. 01:57 PM - Re: Re: Canopy Breaker Survival Gear (Sam Buchanan)
51. 01:58 PM - Re: Quick release "pull" pins (Sam Buchanan)
52. 02:00 PM - Re: Quick release "pull" pins (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
53. 02:08 PM - Re: Autopilot - To Have or Not to Have (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
54. 02:37 PM - Re: Quick release "pull" pins (Terry Watson)
55. 02:49 PM - Re: Quick release "pull" pins (Sam Buchanan)
56. 02:59 PM - Re: Autopilot - To Have or Not to Have (Kevin Williams)
57. 03:01 PM - Re: Autopilot - To Have or Not to Have (CW Crane)
58. 03:32 PM - Canopy Breaker Tool (brucebell74)
59. 04:21 PM - Re: Canopy Breaker Tool (JOHN STARN)
60. 04:54 PM - Re: Canopy Breaker Survival Gear (William Davis)
61. 05:15 PM - SafeAir Pitot-Static Kits (Scott Lewis)
62. 05:16 PM - Re: Canopy Breaker Tool (Rob Prior (rv7))
63. 05:26 PM - Re: Autopilot - To Have or Not to Have (LARRY ADAMSON)
64. 05:26 PM - Boston area RV ride (JVanLaak@aol.com)
65. 05:28 PM - Fw: Autopilot - To Have or Not to Have (Jerry Grimmonpre)
66. 05:48 PM - Re: Autopilot - To Have or Not to Have (Stein Bruch)
67. 05:48 PM - Re: SafeAir Pitot-Static Kits (JOHN STARN)
68. 06:24 PM - Re: private airport (Richard Sipp)
69. 06:24 PM - Re: Canopy Breaker Tool (Bill Schlatterer)
70. 06:25 PM - Re: SafeAir Pitot-Static Kits (Bill Schlatterer)
71. 08:12 PM - Fire Extinguisher Location in -10 (DejaVu)
72. 08:15 PM - Re: Canopy Breaker Tool (Scott VanArtsdalen)
73. 08:20 PM - Re: SafeAir Pitot-Static Kits (Richard E. Tasker)
74. 08:36 PM - Re: SafeAir Pitot-Static Kits (DonVS)
75. 08:46 PM - Re: Canopy Breaker Tool (JOHN STARN)
76. 08:50 PM - Static ports (JOHN STARN)
77. 09:15 PM - Altrack override force (Jeff Point)
78. 10:17 PM - Re: Altrack override force (Dan Checkoway)
79. 10:42 PM - Right Elevator (Paul Rice)
80. 10:43 PM - Re: Question on Registration paperwork (Mike Robertson)
81. 10:56 PM - Re: Canopy Breaker Survival Gear Instructions. (GMC)
82. 11:10 PM - Re: Altrack override force (Jeff Point)
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
Give Nationair a call. They use Phoenix and EAA.
Shemp/Jeff Dowling
RV-6A, N915JD
165 hours
Chicago/Louisville
----- Original Message -----
From: <sportav8r@aol.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Insurance
> --> RV-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
>
> No one will insure 5 people in an RV-6A. It's a two-place aircraft.
>
> Did you have any other questions for the list today?
>
> do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sherri & Paul Richardson <prichar@mail.win.org>
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Insurance
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Sherri & Paul Richardson"
> <prichar@mail.win.org>
>
> Hello All,
> What is the preferred insurance provider to use for a group of five people
> in an
> RV-6A?
> Thanks,
> Paul Richardson
>
> Do not archive
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut@engalt.com>
I have a friend that is considering the possibility of getting some land and
putting in his own private airstrip. Can anyone that has done this give me
some advice on what has to be done with the FAA, how hard it is, and who to
contact about it. Aside from city zoning are there other considerations
that he should be aware of? Thanks.
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy Breaker Survival Gear |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Frank Eldridge" <eldridge@legis.state.ga.us>
Re: RV accident
I am one of the few people that has had an RV accident where a tool was
necessary in order to exit an RV6A that was upside down. On January 1,
2003, I had an engine failure passing the outer marker at Peachtree City
Airport. The details are on file at the NTSB webpage. I do not agree
with the findings, but that is not the purpose of this reply.
My survival tool was a pocket knife with a locking blade that I have
carried with me for many years. I had always assumed I could kick the
canopy plexi-glass out if an emergency arose. I found that I was unable
to do this and had to depend upon my knife with the locking blade, which
I used to break a small hole that I could get my fingers in, in order to
break a hole large enough for me to crawl out.
The reason that I think a stout knife is better than a survival tool
that would have to be stored some place in the airplane is because in my
accident, although I was wearing a shoulder harness and seat belts, I
was thrown into the baggage compartment upside down and with no way to
reach anything in the cockpit. Because of having the knife in my
pocket, I was able to extricate myself in just a few moments.
By the way, I was uninjured and the only blood in the airplane was
where I cut my hands breaking the plexi-glass after I had cut a hole
with my knife. My RV was a total loss and uninsured, so I will have to
fly my other airplane until such time as I can recover from the
financial loss and buy another RV.
Accidents do happen and we need to be prepared. The RV is a very sound
and safe design and if I can answer any questions or help in any way, I
am available.
Frank Eldridge
P.S. I never once thought about suing the builder, Vans, Lycoming, or
anybody else.
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy Breaker Survival Gear |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy" <rer51@lincsat.com>
I got this item from my Firefighter Son. Light and effective. 5 in 1 tool with holder. $12.95 at this site. I have no interest in this company, just safety. http://www.thecommandcenterwinchester.com/emi_extricator_5_in_1_lifesaver_.htm Randy
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| Subject: | Re: private airport |
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Johnson" <matt@n559rv.com>
I am in the process of trying to develop a Residential Airpark here in Central
California. If your airstrip is a private use airstrip with a
single residence on the property the process is not that hard. I am not sure what
state you are in but if it is California you would need to
start with Cal-Trans Aeronautics division who is in charge of issuing permits for
airports. They have a list of guidelines as well as a
checklist of what needs to be aquired from your local government and the FAA. The
local government is going to be concerned with
Land Use, environmental impact, zoning, etc. The FAA is concerned with airspace
conflicts. I was suprised how small of a role the FAA
actually plays in the whole process.
Also, you may want to contact the AOPA. They have a couple really good publications
they put together to support people like us who
want to develop airparks/airports. They even have sample land use business plans
you can use as templates and information on getting
grants for supplemental funding.
- Matt
-----Original Message-----
From: "Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut@engalt.com>
Subject: RV-List: private airport
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut@engalt.com>
>
> I have a friend that is considering the possibility of getting some
> land and
> putting in his own private airstrip. Can anyone that has done this
> give me
> some advice on what has to be done with the FAA, how hard it is, and
> who to
> contact about it. Aside from city zoning are there other
> considerations
> that he should be aware of? Thanks.
>
> Brian Kraut
> Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
> www.engalt.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: private airport |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob C. " <flyboy.bob@gmail.com>
Brian,
I don't believe anything that "has to be done with the FAA" if it's
truly "private"
States vary in their rules, but again if it's "private" probably no big deal.
There are federal and probably state "guidelines" that should be considered.
Zoning and local rules may be a bigger deal, depending on where you
live and your current (and future) neighbors!
It's one of those things where it's probably easier to get forgiveness
than permission! Again depending on the environs and the neighbors.
If it's "public use" ignore all of the above!
I think the AOPA has some good information on this subject.
Good Luck,
Bob
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 08:36:56 -0500, Brian Kraut <brian.kraut@engalt.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut@engalt.com>
>
> I have a friend that is considering the possibility of getting some land and
> putting in his own private airstrip. Can anyone that has done this give me
> some advice on what has to be done with the FAA, how hard it is, and who to
> contact about it. Aside from city zoning are there other considerations
> that he should be aware of? Thanks.
>
> Brian Kraut
> Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
> www.engalt.com
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "John Furey" <john@fureychrysler.com>
Brian, I did this in Ohio with no problems at all. The Feds and the State
have to be informed but have no say so over the matter. It's really just a
local zoning issue, at least that is how it was for me and several others I
know of. Check out www.livingwithyourplane.com If I can help just let me
know.
John Furey
john@fureychrysler.com
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| Subject: | Re: private airport |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Sterling" <sterling@pgrb.com>
Brain:
Visit this website for my airstrip, Knot-2-Shabby
http://www.airnav.com/airport/5TA6#notes, and then e-mail me off list at
sterling@pgrb.com and I'll give you some pointers later this date. I wrote
an article on this a few years ago.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut@engalt.com>
Subject: RV-List: private airport
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut@engalt.com>
>
> I have a friend that is considering the possibility of getting some land
and
> putting in his own private airstrip. Can anyone that has done this give
me
> some advice on what has to be done with the FAA, how hard it is, and who
to
> contact about it. Aside from city zoning are there other considerations
> that he should be aware of? Thanks.
>
> Brian Kraut
> Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
> www.engalt.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy Breaker Survival Gear |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Andy Gold" <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
In my 6A, I pulled out the right side stick and filed sharp teeth into its
bottom end. The idea was that this would be a good size tool that's always
in the airplane, easily reachable, that didn't take up any extra space and
didn't add any weight.
The unexpected problem was (and still is) finding a quick disconnect
fastener to replace the AN-3 bolt that holds the stick in its socket. Years
ago in the ultralight community we had quick disconnect fasteners which we
called pip-pins which provided a good size handle and a button which
released a small ball inside the pin, thus allowing it to be quickly pulled
from its socket. Ultralighters used these for structural spar bolts
(yikes!!!). I didn't like that and always replaced them with standard AN
bolts, but in a non-structural application like this, I thought it would be
the perfect answer. Problem is, when I went to look for these in the Spruce
catalog and a few others, I found they were only available in very limited
sizes, none of which were well suited to this application.
I still think this is the perfect solutions, if only we can find the proper
connecter. Any ideas?
Andy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy" <rer51@lincsat.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Canopy Breaker Survival Gear
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy" <rer51@lincsat.com>
>
> I got this item from my Firefighter Son. Light and effective. 5 in 1
> tool with holder. $12.95 at this site. I have no interest in this
> company, just safety.
> http://www.thecommandcenterwinchester.com/emi_extricator_5_in_1_lifesaver_.htm
> Randy
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Ivan McLaws" <toejam@cybertrails.com>
I have an IO-360 on an RV-6A with a Sterba Prop. It can be converted to C/S.
I have a manifold pressure gauge which is operational. At my home airport 5,000
ft I get a static RPM of 2450 with the manifold pressure rising to 25-25.5.
At another airport 3,500 the difference is obviously greater at takeoff and climb.
Once I have arrested the climb and am out of the pattern I am no longer loading
the engine.
My question is am I doing major damage with the current situation or are most of
the people out there with fixed props doing the same thing to their engines
and not knowing it because they don't have a manifold pressure gauge?
Any thoughts?
Ivan McLaws
N532JV
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy Breaker Survival Gear |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bobby Hester <bhester@hopkinsville.net>
Andy Gold wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Andy Gold" <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
>
>In my 6A, I pulled out the right side stick and filed sharp teeth into its
>bottom end. The idea was that this would be a good size tool that's always
>in the airplane, easily reachable, that didn't take up any extra space and
>didn't add any weight.
>
>The unexpected problem was (and still is) finding a quick disconnect
>fastener to replace the AN-3 bolt that holds the stick in its socket.
>
>Problem is, when I went to look for these in the Spruce
>catalog and a few others, I found they were only available in very limited
>sizes, none of which were well suited to this application.
>
>I still think this is the perfect solutions, if only we can find the proper
>connecter. Any ideas?
>
>Andy
>
>
>
>
I have thought this was the way to go also, what have others done?
--
Surfing the Web from Hopkinsville, KY
Visit my web site at: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/
RV7A Slowbuild wings-QB Fuse :-)
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy Breaker Survival Gear |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
Problem solved. Go to http://www.westmarine.com/
Here's the exact page
http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10001&langId=-1&catalogId=10001&productId=539
They call them Ball-Lock Fastpins. I use one on my right stick. I had to
remove a little more material from the seat pan to allow for full still
deflection. Works great.
Shemp/Jeff Dowling
RV-6A, N915JD
165 hours
Chicago/Louisville
I use one of there SS quick pins
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Gold" <winterland@
rkymtnhi.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Canopy Breaker Survival Gear
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Andy Gold" <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
>
> In my 6A, I pulled out the right side stick and filed sharp teeth into its
> bottom end. The idea was that this would be a good size tool that's
> always
> in the airplane, easily reachable, that didn't take up any extra space and
> didn't add any weight.
>
> The unexpected problem was (and still is) finding a quick disconnect
> fastener to replace the AN-3 bolt that holds the stick in its socket.
> Years
> ago in the ultralight community we had quick disconnect fasteners which we
> called pip-pins which provided a good size handle and a button which
> released a small ball inside the pin, thus allowing it to be quickly
> pulled
> from its socket. Ultralighters used these for structural spar bolts
> (yikes!!!). I didn't like that and always replaced them with standard AN
> bolts, but in a non-structural application like this, I thought it would
> be
> the perfect answer. Problem is, when I went to look for these in the
> Spruce
> catalog and a few others, I found they were only available in very limited
> sizes, none of which were well suited to this application.
>
> I still think this is the perfect solutions, if only we can find the
> proper
> connecter. Any ideas?
>
> Andy
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Randy" <rer51@lincsat.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Canopy Breaker Survival Gear
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy" <rer51@lincsat.com>
>>
>> I got this item from my Firefighter Son. Light and effective. 5 in 1
>> tool with holder. $12.95 at this site. I have no interest in this
>> company, just safety.
>> http://www.thecommandcenterwinchester.com/emi_extricator_5_in_1_lifesaver_.htm
>> Randy
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy Breaker Survival Gear |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
Hi Andy,
I agree with your idea, and I'm going to be using these
push pins for my canopy and the rear stick in my RV8.
Do a search at McMaster.com for "Push-Button Quick-Release Pins",
and I think you will be happy.
Mickey
Andy Gold wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Andy Gold" <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
>
> In my 6A, I pulled out the right side stick and filed sharp teeth into its
> bottom end. The idea was that this would be a good size tool that's always
> in the airplane, easily reachable, that didn't take up any extra space and
> didn't add any weight.
>
> The unexpected problem was (and still is) finding a quick disconnect
> fastener to replace the AN-3 bolt that holds the stick in its socket. Years
> ago in the ultralight community we had quick disconnect fasteners which we
> called pip-pins which provided a good size handle and a button which
> released a small ball inside the pin, thus allowing it to be quickly pulled
> from its socket. Ultralighters used these for structural spar bolts
> (yikes!!!). I didn't like that and always replaced them with standard AN
> bolts, but in a non-structural application like this, I thought it would be
> the perfect answer. Problem is, when I went to look for these in the Spruce
> catalog and a few others, I found they were only available in very limited
> sizes, none of which were well suited to this application.
>
> I still think this is the perfect solutions, if only we can find the proper
> connecter. Any ideas?
>
> Andy
>
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 Wiring
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy Breaker Survival Gear |
--> RV-List message posted by: <smileyburnett@charter.net>
Ladies and Gentlemen:
Would the plastic V-shaped spring device that holds swimming pool attachments to
the aluminum tube handles possibly work in the smaller control stick?
Just a thought.
Ron Burnett
RV-6A Subbie powered in progress
>
> From: "Andy Gold" <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
> Date: 2005/03/23 Wed PM 02:56:10 GMT
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Canopy Breaker Survival Gear
>
>
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| Subject: | Reaming vs Drilling |
--> RV-List message posted by: MLWynn@aol.com
Hi all,
I briefly saw (and now can't find) a little blurb on the idea of using a #40
reamer to enlarge rivet holes in pre-punched parts as opposed to using a #40
drill. The notion was that there is less chatter, rounder hole, less need to
deburr. Anyone had any experience with this or know the source of the reamer?
Regards,
Michael Wynn
RV-8, Empennage
San Ramon, California
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| Subject: | Autopilot - To Have or Not to Have |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Valovich, Paul" <pvalovich@dcscorp.com>
I'm in the avionics dreaming stage of my RV-8A construction. I'm
debating the advantages of an autopilot - initially, based on my 4500
hours in A-4's without an autopilot and acceptance that stabilized wing
trim was always an impossible dream, I felt that an autopilot wasn't
worth the hassle. I plan to do a lot of cross country flying, but I'm
also one of those guys who doesn't defer to automobile cruise control.
Anyone have biased opinions about RV autopilots?
Paul Valovich
RV-8A QB
Ridgecrest, CA
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy Breaker Survival Gear |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Aircraft Technical Book Company" <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
This is it. I like the McMaster version better as it has a bigger pulling
area. Here's their catalog address:
http://www.mcmaster.com/
Enter search for "Push-Button Quick-Release Pins"
Does anyone know the needed grip length for the 6/6A right side control
stick socket? The pin is available in 1" or 1.25 ". I think the 1" is
good, but I'd like to make sure before ordering. The price is $15.
The 1" grip length version is part number 90293A102
The 1.25" grip length version is part number 90293A103
Andy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mickey Coggins" <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Canopy Breaker Survival Gear
> --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
>
> Hi Andy,
>
> I agree with your idea, and I'm going to be using these
> push pins for my canopy and the rear stick in my RV8.
>
> Do a search at McMaster.com for "Push-Button Quick-Release Pins",
> and I think you will be happy.
>
> Mickey
>
>
> Andy Gold wrote:
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Andy Gold" <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
>>
>> In my 6A, I pulled out the right side stick and filed sharp teeth into
>> its
>> bottom end. The idea was that this would be a good size tool that's
>> always
>> in the airplane, easily reachable, that didn't take up any extra space
>> and
>> didn't add any weight.
>>
>> The unexpected problem was (and still is) finding a quick disconnect
>> fastener to replace the AN-3 bolt that holds the stick in its socket.
>> Years
>> ago in the ultralight community we had quick disconnect fasteners which
>> we
>> called pip-pins which provided a good size handle and a button which
>> released a small ball inside the pin, thus allowing it to be quickly
>> pulled
>> from its socket. Ultralighters used these for structural spar bolts
>> (yikes!!!). I didn't like that and always replaced them with standard AN
>> bolts, but in a non-structural application like this, I thought it would
>> be
>> the perfect answer. Problem is, when I went to look for these in the
>> Spruce
>> catalog and a few others, I found they were only available in very
>> limited
>> sizes, none of which were well suited to this application.
>>
>> I still think this is the perfect solutions, if only we can find the
>> proper
>> connecter. Any ideas?
>>
>> Andy
>>
>
> --
> Mickey Coggins
> http://www.rv8.ch/
> #82007 Wiring
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Skylor Piper <skylor4@yahoo.com>
If you're worried about being "oversquare" then try
using PSIA for manifold pressure!
"Oversquare" is somewhat of an old wives tale, and is
totally arbitrary. You will not hurt the engine
running it at 2450/25.5. Many sea level operators
will see 29-30" at 2200-2300 static.
Here's a good article on the subject:
http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/186778-1.html
Skylor
RV-8 QB
Under Construction
--- Ivan McLaws <toejam@cybertrails.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ivan McLaws"
> <toejam@cybertrails.com>
>
> I have an IO-360 on an RV-6A with a Sterba Prop. It
> can be converted to C/S.
>
> I have a manifold pressure gauge which is
> operational. At my home airport 5,000 ft I get a
> static RPM of 2450 with the manifold pressure rising
> to 25-25.5.
>
> At another airport 3,500 the difference is obviously
> greater at takeoff and climb.
>
> Once I have arrested the climb and am out of the
> pattern I am no longer loading the engine.
>
> My question is am I doing major damage with the
> current situation or are most of the people out
> there with fixed props doing the same thing to their
> engines and not knowing it because they don't have a
> manifold pressure gauge?
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Ivan McLaws
> N532JV
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
>
>
>
>
>
>
__________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: Autopilot - To Have or Not to Have |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tony Marshall" <tony@lambros.com>
in the 4 planes we owned before our rv6, never even considered an autopilot.
now that i have one in the 6 (a navaid, coupled to my panel gps), the course
tracking feature is very nice....no nap time, but it does track a very tight
course. and while i have never been in a position where i had to ascend or
descend through clouds, knowing that i could flip on the wing leveller would
at least mitigate one of the major dangers. if i were in your shoes, not
sure whether i would spend the money or not, but now that i have an
autopilot, it sure is nice.
tmarshall
rv6
polson, mt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Valovich, Paul" <pvalovich@dcscorp.com>
Subject: RV-List: Autopilot - To Have or Not to Have
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Valovich, Paul" <pvalovich@dcscorp.com>
>
> I'm in the avionics dreaming stage of my RV-8A construction. I'm
> debating the advantages of an autopilot - initially, based on my 4500
> hours in A-4's without an autopilot and acceptance that stabilized wing
> trim was always an impossible dream, I felt that an autopilot wasn't
> worth the hassle. I plan to do a lot of cross country flying, but I'm
> also one of those guys who doesn't defer to automobile cruise control.
> Anyone have biased opinions about RV autopilots?
>
> Paul Valovich
>
> RV-8A QB
>
> Ridgecrest, CA
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy Breaker Survival Gear |
--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Tasker <retasker@optonline.net>
They are not cheap (but what is...) but McMaster Carr has a wide
selection of what you are looking for.
Go to www.mcmaster.com and search for "push button quick release pin".
There should be something there that will do what you want.
Dick Tasker
Andy Gold wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Andy Gold" <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
>
>In my 6A, I pulled out the right side stick and filed sharp teeth into its
>bottom end. The idea was that this would be a good size tool that's always
>in the airplane, easily reachable, that didn't take up any extra space and
>didn't add any weight.
>
>The unexpected problem was (and still is) finding a quick disconnect
>fastener to replace the AN-3 bolt that holds the stick in its socket. Years
>ago in the ultralight community we had quick disconnect fasteners which we
>called pip-pins which provided a good size handle and a button which
>released a small ball inside the pin, thus allowing it to be quickly pulled
>from its socket. Ultralighters used these for structural spar bolts
>(yikes!!!). I didn't like that and always replaced them with standard AN
>bolts, but in a non-structural application like this, I thought it would be
>the perfect answer. Problem is, when I went to look for these in the Spruce
>catalog and a few others, I found they were only available in very limited
>sizes, none of which were well suited to this application.
>
>I still think this is the perfect solutions, if only we can find the proper
>connecter. Any ideas?
>
>Andy
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Canopy Breaker Survival Gear |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Danielson" <johnd@wlcwyo.com>
Attached is a drawing I created that show what I did to my passenger
side control stick.
It consists of a 6" stainless steel ruler which I cut down to the
appropriate size, a #30 flush head pop rivet and AN470-6-3 round head
rivet.
That's all that's needed. The stainless steel ruler acts as a spring.
With the hole in the socket for the round head rivet you are able to
with your finger push the rivet (button) in and remove the control
stick.
You mite try a larger rivet like a number 8 or 9.
John L. Danielson
RV-6 sold
N106WP
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| Subject: | Quick release "pull" pins |
--> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
Check out Reid Tool & Supply 1-800-253-0421 Stainless Steel catalog.
www.reidtool.com They have free catalogs
They have 3/16", 1/4", 5/16", 3/8" 1/2", 5/8", 3/4" and 1"
Quick release pins on page #39. 3/16" X .5" thru 3/8" X 5.0"
These are 303 SS. Max size is 1" X 8.0". $1.74 to $21.85
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Gold" <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Canopy Breaker Survival Gear
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Andy Gold" <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
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| Subject: | Question on Registration paperwork |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard Suffoletto" <rsuffoletto@hotmail.com>
I have searched the archives and have not found the answer to this.
Who is listed as the manufacturer on form 8050-1 ?
The "kit" bill of sale from Van's does not list a manufacturer just the
model number.
If I list myself as the manufacuturer on form 8050-1 do I also change the
kit bill of sale form?
I'm sure this has been asked many times but darn if I could find it in the
archives...
Thanks
Richard
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| Subject: | Re: Autopilot - To Have or Not to Have |
--> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
In a message dated 3/23/05 9:56:41 AM Central Standard Time,
pvalovich@dcscorp.com writes:
> Anyone have biased opinions about RV autopilots?
>>>>
My Navaid wing leveler is one of the most useful devices in my plane- I began
using it routinely after giving a chart a good 5 or 6 second eyeball on an
early flight, only to look up at an extremely cock-eyed world. Since then, it's
on before I even reach for the chart. Also is a huge help when varying fuel
and passenger loads, particularly in a side-by-side. There are many other
units available now with lots of option$- also lots in the archives about this...
Mark -6A
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| Subject: | Re: Autopilot - To Have or Not to Have |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Depends on where it is on your priority list of toys. You certainly don't
need one, flying an RV without one is not the exhausting process that it
might be with some GA aircraft. On the other hand, it is always nice to be
able to do other things without looking up to see the horizon at a 45 deg
angle. I've only flow 285 hours on my RV so I am nowhere near exhausted by
the fun, yet. And there is always the chance if you should get into IMC
and it could be a life saver - not an insignificant factor. Personally, I
much rather have a nice GPS far ahead of an autopilot - just my personal
preference of course.
Do Not Archive
Ed A
----- Original Message -----
From: "Valovich, Paul" <pvalovich@dcscorp.com>
Subject: RV-List: Autopilot - To Have or Not to Have
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Valovich, Paul" <pvalovich@dcscorp.com>
>
> I'm in the avionics dreaming stage of my RV-8A construction. I'm
> debating the advantages of an autopilot - initially, based on my 4500
> hours in A-4's without an autopilot and acceptance that stabilized wing
> trim was always an impossible dream, I felt that an autopilot wasn't
> worth the hassle. I plan to do a lot of cross country flying, but I'm
> also one of those guys who doesn't defer to automobile cruise control.
> Anyone have biased opinions about RV autopilots?
>
> Paul Valovich
>
> RV-8A QB
>
> Ridgecrest, CA
>
>
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| Subject: | Canopy Breaker Survivor Tool |
0.00 FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS From: contains numbers mixed in with letters
--> RV-List message posted by: John <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
I spent $1.00 at OSH in the junk stores and got a smallish cheapo
hammer. I ground the head to a point and used two clips to hold it on
the passenger side arm rest, as far aft as possible so it isn't in the
way. That thing will break anything and its hard to beat the price.
John
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob 1" <rv3a.1@comcast.net>
AOPA gives a 5% discount....
If you're a member.
They use AIG.
> Give Nationair a call. They use Phoenix and EAA.
>
> Shemp/Jeff Dowling
> RV-6A, N915JD
> 165 hours
> Chicago/Louisville
> > Hello All,
> > What is the preferred insurance provider to use for a group of five
people
> > in an
> > RV-6A?
> > Thanks,
> > Paul Richardson
> >
> > Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Reaming vs Drilling |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob C. " <flyboy.bob@gmail.com>
I wouldn't think it a plausable solution . . . much of the time you
are "match drilling" using the pre-punched hole as a guide. Also
5-15% on the time you have the "ream" the matched holes with a drill
to get the rivet to slide in.
In any case, the drill does a good job.
Regards,
Bob
RV-8 - N678RC
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:38:21 EST, MLWynn@aol.com <MLWynn@aol.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: MLWynn@aol.com
>
> Hi all,
>
> I briefly saw (and now can't find) a little blurb on the idea of using a #40
> reamer to enlarge rivet holes in pre-punched parts as opposed to using a #40
> drill. The notion was that there is less chatter, rounder hole, less need to
> deburr. Anyone had any experience with this or know the source of the reamer?
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael Wynn
> RV-8, Empennage
> San Ramon, California
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Quick release "pull" pins |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob C. " <flyboy.bob@gmail.com>
How can you be sure you are getting equal strength, etc as the
specified bolt? That would be one part I wouldn't want to fail in
flight!
Bob
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 08:50:12 -0800, JOHN STARN <jhstarn@verizon.net> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
>
> Check out Reid Tool & Supply 1-800-253-0421 Stainless Steel catalog.
> www.reidtool.com They have free catalogs
> They have 3/16", 1/4", 5/16", 3/8" 1/2", 5/8", 3/4" and 1"
> Quick release pins on page #39. 3/16" X .5" thru 3/8" X 5.0"
> These are 303 SS. Max size is 1" X 8.0". $1.74 to $21.85
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andy Gold" <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Canopy Breaker Survival Gear
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Andy Gold" <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Quick release "pull" pins |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad L. Werner" <klwerner@comcast.net>
How strong does the bolt have to be? I only holds the stick in, doesn't it?
But there should not really be any significant force acting on it?
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob C.
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Quick release "pull" pins
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob C. " <flyboy.bob@gmail.com>
How can you be sure you are getting equal strength, etc as the
specified bolt? That would be one part I wouldn't want to fail in
flight!
Bob
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 08:50:12 -0800, JOHN STARN <jhstarn@verizon.net> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
>
> Check out Reid Tool & Supply 1-800-253-0421 Stainless Steel catalog.
> www.reidtool.com They have free catalogs
> They have 3/16", 1/4", 5/16", 3/8" 1/2", 5/8", 3/4" and 1"
> Quick release pins on page #39. 3/16" X .5" thru 3/8" X 5.0"
> These are 303 SS. Max size is 1" X 8.0". $1.74 to $21.85
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andy Gold" <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Canopy Breaker Survival Gear
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Andy Gold" <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Canopy Breaker Tool |
--> RV-List message posted by: jim & terri truitt <jimteri1@earthlink.net>
Frank Eldrige's story illustrates my earlier point about how you can't be sure
what position you'll be in when the movement stops or how much room you'll have
to swing something. I'd rather have something compact, sharp, and sturdy that
I don't have to swing. The passenger stick is a good idea, but will you be
able to pull that retaining pin and then manuever an 18" -20" stick inside the
wreckage? Not trying to sell any products, just sharing my thought process.
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| Subject: | Re: private airport |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Myers" <jmyers@powernet.org>
Brian, you may find each State to be a little different but usually it
involves contacting the State and the Fed. There are at least three
different classifications of "Airport"; Personal, Private and Public use.
That definition may also vary by state but I don't think so. Normally, no
one gets too concerned about Personal as it is only supposed to be used by
immediate family, while Private can be used by anyone that you give
permission to and Public is what a typical municipal airport is. I would
start by getting in touch with the aviation authority of the state you are
in. Sometimes there is a separate department and sometimes it may be a
section of the Dept of Transportation or maybe even some other department
They will probably have some specific information for your state and go from
there. I will be glad to help more off line if you are interested.
I sent our paper work in on Sept 12, 2001 so naturally it pretty much got
ignored for other concerns for almost a year but finally got approved as a
Private airstrip. The State actually came out and checked approaches,
length and generally approved the physical site almost immediately but the
Feds have to coordinate air space with others such as Military, and it takes
longer to get airspace approval. It also may depend on how close you are to
any major airport, specially one with an instrument approach. The State may
even contact airports near you and ask if they have any objections. I don't
know if the Feds make any "public interest" or "environmental impact"
contacts or not.
Hope that helps.
John
Flying M Ranch AL32 (Alabama -there are at least 8 or 9 flying M's in the
US)
(Oregon and Texas Flying M's are pretty well known)
http://www.airnav.com/airport/AL32
email:jmyers@flyingmranch.us
-------Original Message-------
From: Brian Kraut
Subject: RV-List: private airport
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut@engalt.com>
I have a friend that is considering the possibility of getting some land and
putting in his own private airstrip. Can anyone that has done this give me
some advice on what has to be done with the FAA, how hard it is, and who to
contact about it. Aside from city zoning are there other considerations
that he should be aware of? Thanks.
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
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| Subject: | Re: Autopilot - To Have or Not to Have |
--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
In a message dated 3/23/05 7:56:41 AM Pacific Standard Time,
pvalovich@dcscorp.com writes:
> <<Anyone have biased opinions about RV autopilots?
> >>
Wow, is that ever a loaded question on this forum. My own biased opinion is
that I enjoy flying the airplane but I like to switch on the Navaid wing
leveler function while looking at a chart or programming the GPS. Now if I could
just get the darn Navaid to track a GPS course I'd be really happy.
Harry Crosby
RV-6, 48 hours
>
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| Subject: | Canopy Breaker Survival Gear |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" <pat_hatch@msn.com>
Andy,
I used a pip pin on my co-pilot stick...pip pins are available in various
diameters and lengths from West Marine.
Pat Hatch
RV-6
RV-7
--> RV-List message posted by: "Andy Gold" <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
In my 6A, I pulled out the right side stick and filed sharp teeth into its
bottom end. The idea was that this would be a good size tool that's always
in the airplane, easily reachable, that didn't take up any extra space and
didn't add any weight.
The unexpected problem was (and still is) finding a quick disconnect
fastener to replace the AN-3 bolt that holds the stick in its socket. Years
ago in the ultralight community we had quick disconnect fasteners which we
called pip-pins which provided a good size handle and a button which
released a small ball inside the pin, thus allowing it to be quickly pulled
from its socket. Ultralighters used these for structural spar bolts
(yikes!!!). I didn't like that and always replaced them with standard AN
bolts, but in a non-structural application like this, I thought it would be
the perfect answer. Problem is, when I went to look for these in the Spruce
catalog and a few others, I found they were only available in very limited
sizes, none of which were well suited to this application.
I still think this is the perfect solutions, if only we can find the proper
connecter. Any ideas?
Andy
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| Subject: | Re: Autopilot - To Have or Not to Have |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
What follows is IMHO.
If you plan to fly IFR in an RV, my "opinion" is that an autopilot is nearly
mandatory. If you don't fly IFR suit yourself.
Since you are a single seat fighter guy, AND IF you have not lost those
skills..... You might be one of the few people who might be able to get
along safely in IMC without one, but you would need to do mission planning
like you did in the military, not climb in and blast off type IFR. I flew
single pilot IFR without an A/P for years hauling freight and I thought I
was pretty good, but the RV in unfamiliar territory without an A/P would be
more than I want to bite off.
I routinely fly long cross-country missions and I will not have another RV
without one.
I have a Navaid and an Altrak and I am very happy with both. When the
navaid dies, it will become a Treo or a Trutrak, the jury is out on that
leaning toward Trutrak pictorial pilot.
Tailwinds,
Doug Rozendaal
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Reaming vs Drilling |
--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Trotter <ptrotter@acm.org>
Actually you get a much cleaner hole with a reamer than with a drill. Also
much more round. It makes more difference with larger holes than smaller
holes, particularly those used for bolts. For small rivets it probably
doesn't gain you much. You can match "drill" with a chucking reamer just
like using a drill bit. You can get common size reamers form most of the
aircraft tool supply companies or from industrial supply houses such as MSC
or McMaster-Carr.
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob C. " <flyboy.bob@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Reaming vs Drilling
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob C. " <flyboy.bob@gmail.com>
>
> I wouldn't think it a plausable solution . . . much of the time you
> are "match drilling" using the pre-punched hole as a guide. Also
> 5-15% on the time you have the "ream" the matched holes with a drill
> to get the rivet to slide in.
>
> In any case, the drill does a good job.
>
> Regards,
> Bob
> RV-8 - N678RC
>
>
> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:38:21 EST, MLWynn@aol.com <MLWynn@aol.com> wrote:
> > --> RV-List message posted by: MLWynn@aol.com
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I briefly saw (and now can't find) a little blurb on the idea of using a
#40
> > reamer to enlarge rivet holes in pre-punched parts as opposed to using a
#40
> > drill. The notion was that there is less chatter, rounder hole, less
need to
> > deburr. Anyone had any experience with this or know the source of the
reamer?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Michael Wynn
> > RV-8, Empennage
> > San Ramon, California
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Kathleen@rv7.us
Brian,
I'm working on a 2500' paved strip on my own property in Redding, California
(which is why RV-7 building has come to a halt). I California, a private
strip is exempt from the State permitting process so, all you have to do is
get a local use permit and file the form 7480-1 with the FAA. The form is
available to download from the FAA website and includes instructions. It's
all pretty simple...
Do not archive
Kathleen Evans
www.rv7.us
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy Breaker Survival Gear |
--> RV-List message posted by: <gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com>
Thanks All for your input. It is clear:
-It is something to think of and plan for.
-Almost anything, sharp, with mass will help break an opening into the canopy
-You may not have much room to swing an ax or pull a control stick out to use it.
-Tool access may be limited, a folding/locking pocket knife on person may be ideal**
-You wont know unless it happens and we can learn from others who have been there.
-Possible tools: Fire extinguishers, folding pocket-knife, survival knife, hatchet,
ball peen hammer and control stick. (For what it is worth large commercial
aircraft req a crash ax.)
(Apologies to Sam for bringing this up again, but I checked and found some useful
info and a lot of broken links on survival tools. I don't think a removable
control stick it the last word on the topic; Sorry, no disrespect to your expertise
or tribal knowledge. RV-list searches: canopy breaking; getting out; survival;
survival tool; egress)
**One good point was from someone who wrote me direct. They actually had to break
out of an inverted RV and had this great observation, You might not be able
to get to your tool (including a control stick). This pilot ended up in the baggage
compartment, but he had a folding knife w/ a locking blade on his person,
which allowed him to start a hole in the canopy, allowed him a hand-hold to
break a larger hole big enough to crawl out of.
> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
> " As has been mentioned many times on this forum, the side-by-side RVs are
> already carrying a good canopy bustin' tool. Make sure you provide for
> removal of the passenger control stick; it is long enough to get both
> hands on it and you should be able to ram it though the canopy."
Sam, I check the archives very carefully before posting this question, and respectfully
disagree a removable control stick is the definitive device to extricate
ones self from an inverted RV, side-by-side or other wise. It is all conjecture
anyway.
> Sam: "The stick in my RV-6 just slips into place with no pins or such holding
it."
Not too crazy about the idea of a control stick held in with friction so it can
be removed easily. No offense. What I do know is knives, fire extinguishers,
kicking and hands have been used to break-out of an overturned RV, but I have
never heard of a control stick being used (but could be wrong). I am sure it could
work. I respectfully submit having a back-up the control stick for canopy
breaking is not a bad idea. The idea of a back-up folding knife in your pocket
(or attached to your sholder strap) with a locking blade may be a life saver?
Cheers George
---------------------------------
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| Subject: | Re: Quick release "pull" pins |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob C. " <flyboy.bob@gmail.com>
I thought we were talking the canopy? . . . but I guess air pressure
holds it on anyway! Just call me paranoid!
Bob
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:16:26 -0700, Konrad L. Werner
<klwerner@comcast.net> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad L. Werner" <klwerner@comcast.net>
>
> How strong does the bolt have to be? I only holds the stick in, doesn't it?
> But there should not really be any significant force acting on it?
>
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bob C.
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 10:54 AM
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Quick release "pull" pins
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob C. " <flyboy.bob@gmail.com>
>
> How can you be sure you are getting equal strength, etc as the
> specified bolt? That would be one part I wouldn't want to fail in
> flight!
>
> Bob
>
> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 08:50:12 -0800, JOHN STARN <jhstarn@verizon.net> wrote:
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
> >
> > Check out Reid Tool & Supply 1-800-253-0421 Stainless Steel catalog.
> > www.reidtool.com They have free catalogs
> > They have 3/16", 1/4", 5/16", 3/8" 1/2", 5/8", 3/4" and 1"
> > Quick release pins on page #39. 3/16" X .5" thru 3/8" X 5.0"
> > These are 303 SS. Max size is 1" X 8.0". $1.74 to $21.85
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Andy Gold" <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
> > To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: RV-List: Canopy Breaker Survival Gear
> >
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Andy Gold" <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy Breaker Survival Gear |
--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <1qazxsw23edcvfr45tgbnhy67ujm@cox.net>
Frank Eldridge wrote:
>. . . in my
>accident, although I was wearing a shoulder harness and seat belts, I
>was thrown into the baggage compartment upside down . . .
>
I have read three stories about side by side RV's flipping over after an
off field landing in which the pilot somehow ended up in the baggage
area. I would really like to know why this happens and how to stop it
from happening. Obviously the pilot has to slip between the shoulder
harness and the cross member behind the seats. Maybe the two shoulder
harness slip down off both shoulders as the plane flips over. A link to
tie both shoulder straps together just behind the seat might stop it. I
know that to prevent a spinal compression injury the shoulder straps
have to secured behind you at the same level as your shoulder and NOT to
the floor. In the case of the RV the shoulder straps are tied to a
point far behind you. Some kind of loop that was slightly above your
shoulder on the cross member behind the seats to feed each shoulder
strap through could be added pretty easily. Maybe it is best to just
let yourself get flinged into the baggage area. I don't think any of
the three pilots I read about that ended up there, suffered any serious
injury because of it. Maybe the lesson to learn it to mount what ever
canopy breaker you decide on in the baggage area. To cover both
possibilities, mount one in the baggage area and one in cockpit, or
maybe mount it on the cross member behind the seats.
--
Chris W
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| Subject: | Garmin Navigation Alert |
--> RV-List message posted by: Walter Tondu <walter@tondu.com>
Specifically applies to DME ARC procedures
http://www.garmin.com/aviation/notices/Navigation_ALERT_030405.pdf
--
Walter Tondu
http://www.rv7-a.com
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy Breaker Survival Gear |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Cory Emberson" <bootless@earthlink.net>
Hi all -
This is a link to the Robin Safety Boy rescue cutter - combination super
heavy-duty scissors (to cut through seatbealts) and cockpit escape tool - it
will break through aircraft or auto windows for emergency egress.
http://www.aeromedix.com/?_siteid=aeromedix&_sessid=51a43f7c54fe4413854a084b
2dc7cdfd&action=sku&sku=sbrc
Sorry about the long link...
best, Cory
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy Breaker Survival Gear |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com>
The only thing in any of the opions below that would work in an RV-4 would be the
pocket knife.
Kind of like the seat-belt cutters the paramedics carry. There is no room to twist
much less
swing anything in an RV-4.
Is there a device like a spring loaded center punch that will punch out the plastic
in our
canopies?
--- gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: <gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com>
>
>
> Thanks All for your input. It is clear:
>
>
> -It is something to think of and plan for.
>
> -Almost anything, sharp, with mass will help break an opening into the canopy
>
> -You may not have much room to swing an ax or pull a control stick out to use
it.
>
> -Tool access may be limited, a folding/locking pocket knife on person may be
ideal**
>
> -You wont know unless it happens and we can learn from others who have been there.
>
> -Possible tools: Fire extinguishers, folding pocket-knife, survival knife, hatchet,
ball peen
> hammer and control stick. (For what it is worth large commercial aircraft req
a crash ax.)
>
>
> (Apologies to Sam for bringing this up again, but I checked and found some useful
info and a lot
> of broken links on survival tools. I don't think a removable control stick it
the last word on
> the topic; Sorry, no disrespect to your expertise or tribal knowledge. RV-list
searches: canopy
> breaking; getting out; survival; survival tool; egress)
>
>
> **One good point was from someone who wrote me direct. They actually had to break
out of an
> inverted RV and had this great observation, You might not be able to get to your
tool (including
> a control stick). This pilot ended up in the baggage compartment, but he had
a folding knife w/
> a locking blade on his person, which allowed him to start a hole in the canopy,
allowed him a
> hand-hold to break a larger hole big enough to crawl out of.
>
>
> > RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
> > " As has been mentioned many times on this forum, the side-by-side RVs are
> > already carrying a good canopy bustin' tool. Make sure you provide for
> > removal of the passenger control stick; it is long enough to get both
> > hands on it and you should be able to ram it though the canopy."
>
>
> Sam, I check the archives very carefully before posting this question, and respectfully
disagree
> a removable control stick is the definitive device to extricate ones self from
an inverted RV,
> side-by-side or other wise. It is all conjecture anyway.
>
>
> > Sam: "The stick in my RV-6 just slips into place with no pins or such holding
it."
>
>
> Not too crazy about the idea of a control stick held in with friction so it can
be removed
> easily. No offense. What I do know is knives, fire extinguishers, kicking and
hands have been
> used to break-out of an overturned RV, but I have never heard of a control stick
being used (but
> could be wrong). I am sure it could work. I respectfully submit having a back-up
the control
> stick for canopy breaking is not a bad idea. The idea of a back-up folding knife
in your pocket
> (or attached to your sholder strap) with a locking blade may be a life saver?
>
>
> Cheers George
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
Scott VanArtsdalen
RV-4 N311SV, FLYING!!
When a man does all he can
though it succeeds not well,
blame not him that did it."
-- George Washington
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy Breaker Survival Gear |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Cory Emberson" <bootless@earthlink.net>
Oops - looks like the long link isn't all live.
Try www.aeromedix.com and click on "Robin" on the left-hand side of the
page. That should work. These cutters are used in the ER to cut through a
patient's clothes in a hurry.
Cory
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Cory Emberson
Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Canopy Breaker Survival Gear
--> RV-List message posted by: "Cory Emberson" <bootless@earthlink.net>
Hi all -
This is a link to the Robin Safety Boy rescue cutter - combination super
heavy-duty scissors (to cut through seatbealts) and cockpit escape tool - it
will break through aircraft or auto windows for emergency egress.
http://www.aeromedix.com/?_siteid=aeromedix&_sessid=51a43f7c54fe4413854a084b
2dc7cdfd&action=sku&sku=sbrc
Sorry about the long link...
best, Cory
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy Breaker Survival Gear |
--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <1qazxsw23edcvfr45tgbnhy67ujm@cox.net>
Andy Gold wrote:
>The unexpected problem was (and still is) finding a quick disconnect
>fastener to replace the AN-3 bolt that holds the stick in its socket.
>
Have you looked at McMaster Carr? A quick search found one with a 3/16
dia. that comes in "Usable Lengths of 1/2, 3/4, 1, 1 1/4, 1 1/2, 2, 2
1/2 and 3. Surely one of those would work. If not maybe one of the
other styles come in the length you need.
I can't count the number of times someone hear has been looking for
something that is easily found at www.mcmaster.com everyone should
really give them a look next time they need something they can't find
for their project. The only relationship I have with the company is
that of happy customer.
--
Chris W
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| Subject: | Re: Quick release "pull" pins |
--> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
There are no less than 16 styles/types of "Quick Release Pins" in the Reil
catalog from pages 33 thru 39 in many prices, size and materials (all
stainless industrial grades). The ACS catalog shows AN bolts to have 125,000
PSI tensile (type 4037 or 8740 alloy steel) but not shear ratings. The Reil
catalog shows double shear #'s: 3/16=5,150 1/4=9,200 5/16=14,400
3/8=20,600 but not tensile strengths. Apple & Oranges (Tensile & Shear) but
I'm sure there's someone on the list that can fill in the blanks. Not sure I
could pull on the stick with a force equal to and/or exceeding 5,150#
KABONG Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob C. " <flyboy.bob@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Quick release "pull" pins
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob C. " <flyboy.bob@gmail.com>
>
> How can you be sure you are getting equal strength, etc as the
> specified bolt? That would be one part I wouldn't want to fail in
> flight!
>
> Bob
>
> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 08:50:12 -0800, JOHN STARN <jhstarn@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
>>
>> Check out Reid Tool & Supply 1-800-253-0421 Stainless Steel catalog.
>> www.reidtool.com They have free catalogs
>> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Re: RV-List: Canopy Breaker Survival Gear
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| Subject: | Re: Quick release "pull" pins |
--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <1qazxsw23edcvfr45tgbnhy67ujm@cox.net>
Bob C. wrote:
>How can you be sure you are getting equal strength, etc as the
>specified bolt? That would be one part I wouldn't want to fail in
>flight!
>
>
The only way it is going to break is if you are pulling on the stick
hard enough to shear 3/16" dia steel. I suppose there are people strong
enough to do that, however I suspect if you are pulling on the stick
that hard the first thing to break will be the wings. At which point
the stick coming out won't be much of a concern.
do not archive
--
Chris W
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy Breaker Survival Gear |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mitch Faatz" <mitchf@skybound.com>
> The only thing in any of the opions below that would work in an RV-4 would
be the pocket knife.
> Kind of like the seat-belt cutters the paramedics carry. There is no room
to twist much less
> swing anything in an RV-4.
>
> Is there a device like a spring loaded center punch that will punch out
the plastic in our
> canopies?
I decided on and purchased the Smith & Wesson "911 1st Response Rescue
Knife". It has a folding serrated blade for cutting seatbelts, a
pry/screwdriver tip, single thumb opening. More importantly, it has a
spring loaded windshield shattering tool. No swinging room needed! It's
also quite small and light, so you can carry it on your body easily. I
think I paid $20-30 for a new one on Ebay.
Mitch Faatz RV-6A Finish Kit Auburn, CA
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| Subject: | Re: Question on Registration paperwork |
--> RV-List message posted by: James H Nelson <rv9jim@juno.com>
Richard,
You are the manufacturer
Jim Nelson
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy Breaker Survival Gear |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com wrote:
<snip>
> (Apologies to Sam for bringing this up again, but I checked and found
> some useful info and a lot of broken links on survival tools. I don't
> think a removable control stick it the last word on the topic; Sorry,
> no disrespect to your expertise or tribal knowledge. RV-list
> searches: canopy breaking; getting out; survival; survival tool;
> egress)
<snip>
>> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net> " As has
>> been mentioned many times on this forum, the side-by-side RVs are
>> already carrying a good canopy bustin' tool. Make sure you provide
>> for removal of the passenger control stick; it is long enough to
>> get both hands on it and you should be able to ram it though the
>> canopy."
>
>
>
> Sam, I check the archives very carefully before posting this
> question, and respectfully disagree a removable control stick is the
> definitive device to extricate ones self from an inverted RV,
> side-by-side or other wise. It is all conjecture anyway.
George, I appreciate your apologies, but for the life of me I can't
figure out why you are apologizing! In no part of my post did I state
that I thought the control stick was "the definitive device to extricate
ones self from an inverted RV". I merely mentioned that it would
probably make a good canopy breaker tool since it is large enough to
grab with two hands and is already in the aircraft.
Please, please carefully read posts before you attach a conclusion or
implication to someone's opinion that can't be drawn from the actual post.
If you wish to amend your apologies for implying that I said something
that I didn't, I will accept that. :-)
>
>> Sam: "The stick in my RV-6 just slips into place with no pins or
>> such holding it."
>
> Not too crazy about the idea of a control stick held in with friction
> so it can be removed easily. No offense.
None taken. Suit yourself as to how you attach the passenger control
stick. 95% of the time the passenger stick in my plane is stowed on the
seat pan.
What I do know is knives,
> fire extinguishers, kicking and hands have been used to break-out of
> an overturned RV, but I have never heard of a control stick being
> used (but could be wrong). I am sure it could work. I respectfully
> submit having a back-up the control stick for canopy breaking is not
> a bad idea.
No arguments from me about having a back-up.
The idea of a back-up folding knife in your pocket (or
> attached to your sholder strap) with a locking blade may be a life
> saver?
I have a Leatherman tool attached to my shoulder harness. That is
another of my options for breaching the canopy. In my opinion, after
enduring terrible contortions trying to extricate an ignition key from a
a pants pocket after strapping into a plane, a knife in a pocket may not
be very accessible.
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Re: Quick release "pull" pins |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
Bob C. wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob C. " <flyboy.bob@gmail.com>
>
> I thought we were talking the canopy? . . . but I guess air pressure
> holds it on anyway! Just call me paranoid!
>
> Bob
Nope. The only way the canopy is connected with this discussion is
concerning ways to puncture a hole in it. The bolts/pins/whatever being
discussed pertain only to the passenger control stick, not the canopy.
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Re: Quick release "pull" pins |
--> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com
I think this thread is about removing the right stick, is that right. If
not I apologize.
My friend with an RV-9A who is too old to play with computers has the
neatest I have ever seen.
It was made from an old vacuum cleaner handle. There is a hole drilled in
the bottom stick stub. There is another piece riveted to the upper stick
which latches into it. You push there to release the stick. I'm sure you've
all
seen them.
I don't have mine removable. My stick is stuck.
Dan Hopper
RV-7A
(Flying until it went to the paint shop.)
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| Subject: | Re: Autopilot - To Have or Not to Have |
--> RV-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com
In a message dated 3/23/05 3:31:03 P.M. US Eastern Standard Time,
HCRV6@aol.com writes:
Wow, is that ever a loaded question on this forum. My own biased opinion is
that I enjoy flying the airplane but I like to switch on the Navaid wing
leveler function while looking at a chart or programming the GPS. Now if I
could
just get the darn Navaid to track a GPS course I'd be really happy.
Harry Crosby
RV-6, 48 hours
Mine does Harry,
Do you have the smart coupler option? What kind of GPS are we talking about?
Dan
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| Subject: | Quick release "pull" pins |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
No Sam, Mickey pointed out that these same pins are often used by RV-8
builders as a quick release mechanism for the canopy. I think that's when it
got renamed from "Canopy breaker survival gear" to "quick release pull
pins."
Terry
RV-8A finishing
Seattle
Do not archive
Nope. The only way the canopy is connected with this discussion is
concerning ways to puncture a hole in it. The bolts/pins/whatever being
discussed pertain only to the passenger control stick, not the canopy.
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Re: Quick release "pull" pins |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
Terry Watson wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
>
> No Sam, Mickey pointed out that these same pins are often used by RV-8
> builders as a quick release mechanism for the canopy. I think that's when it
> got renamed from "Canopy breaker survival gear" to "quick release pull
> pins."
>
> Terry
> RV-8A finishing
> Seattle
>
> Do not archive
>
>
> Nope. The only way the canopy is connected with this discussion is
> concerning ways to puncture a hole in it. The bolts/pins/whatever being
> discussed pertain only to the passenger control stick, not the canopy.
>
> Sam Buchanan
Sorry 'bout that.....I missed that post.
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Re: Autopilot - To Have or Not to Have |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kevin Williams" <kevinsky18@hotmail.com>
In the two years that I've been reading these forums not once have I read .
. .
"Putting in that autopilot was such a mistake and waste of money! If I
could do it all over again I would never have another autopilot."
I think that says it all.
: RV-List: Autopilot - To Have or Not to Have
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Valovich, Paul" <pvalovich@dcscorp.com>
>
> I'm in the avionics dreaming stage of my RV-8A construction. I'm
> debating the advantages of an autopilot - initially, based on my 4500
> hours in A-4's without an autopilot and acceptance that stabilized wing
> trim was always an impossible dream, I felt that an autopilot wasn't
> worth the hassle. I plan to do a lot of cross country flying, but I'm
> also one of those guys who doesn't defer to automobile cruise control.
> Anyone have biased opinions about RV autopilots?
>
> Paul Valovich
>
> RV-8A QB
>
> Ridgecrest, CA
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Autopilot - To Have or Not to Have |
--> RV-List message posted by: CW Crane <cwcrane@gbronline.com>
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:32:15 EST, you wrote:
>Wow, is that ever a loaded question on this forum. My own biased opinion is
>that I enjoy flying the airplane but I like to switch on the Navaid wing
>leveler function while looking at a chart or programming the GPS. Now if I could
>just get the darn Navaid to track a GPS course I'd be really happy.
>
>Harry Crosby
>RV-6, 48 hours
The Navaid will track a GPS course easily, you just need the Smart Coupler (mine
was built into the head) and a GPS that will output data.
CW Crane
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| Subject: | Canopy Breaker Tool |
--> RV-List message posted by: "brucebell74" <brucebell74@sbcglobal.net>
Hi All,
My RV4 is about to go to the airport. I have been reading the posts on the
canopy breaker tool. My question is. How about a pistol to blow a half
dozen holes in the canopy? Other words shoot your way out of it! Would that
break it or just leave six holes in it? Just wondering!
RV$'s for ever!
Bruce Bell
Lubbock, Texas
RV4 # 2888
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy Breaker Tool |
--> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
Do not archive.
1. Sound & concussion within a closed space
2. CCW (Carrying a concealed weapon)
3. Reversing the path of persons who thought they were coming to your rescue
4. Open flame in the presents of possible fuel fumes
5. Flying canopy pieces
6. Loaded gun on an airplane, EEEGADS
I have a large enough problem with people at APV who wave hello but yell
"Hi Jack"....
KABONG 8*)
----- Original Message -----
From: "brucebell74" <brucebell74@sbcglobal.net>
" <brucebell74@sbcglobal.net>
>
. My question is. How about a pistol to blow a half
> dozen holes in the canopy? Other words shoot your way out of it! Would
> that
> break it or just leave six holes in it? Just wondering!
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy Breaker Survival Gear |
--> RV-List message posted by: "William Davis" <rvpilot@access4less.net>
You can find them at McMaster Carr.com
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Gold" <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Canopy Breaker Survival Gear
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Andy Gold" <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
>
> In my 6A, I pulled out the right side stick and filed sharp teeth into its
> bottom end. The idea was that this would be a good size tool that's
always
> in the airplane, easily reachable, that didn't take up any extra space and
> didn't add any weight.
>
> The unexpected problem was (and still is) finding a quick disconnect
> fastener to replace the AN-3 bolt that holds the stick in its socket.
Years
> ago in the ultralight community we had quick disconnect fasteners which we
> called pip-pins which provided a good size handle and a button which
> released a small ball inside the pin, thus allowing it to be quickly
pulled
> from its socket. Ultralighters used these for structural spar bolts
> (yikes!!!). I didn't like that and always replaced them with standard AN
> bolts, but in a non-structural application like this, I thought it would
be
> the perfect answer. Problem is, when I went to look for these in the
Spruce
> catalog and a few others, I found they were only available in very limited
> sizes, none of which were well suited to this application.
>
> I still think this is the perfect solutions, if only we can find the
proper
> connecter. Any ideas?
>
> Andy
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Randy" <rer51@lincsat.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Canopy Breaker Survival Gear
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy" <rer51@lincsat.com>
> >
> > I got this item from my Firefighter Son. Light and effective. 5 in 1
> > tool with holder. $12.95 at this site. I have no interest in this
> > company, just safety.
> >
http://www.thecommandcenterwinchester.com/emi_extricator_5_in_1_lifesaver_.htm
> > Randy
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | SafeAir Pitot-Static Kits |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Lewis <rv10@tpg.com.au>
G'day all,
Was wondering whether anyone out there has experience with the SafeAir
Pitot-Static Kits. Are they worth the extra money or should I just
stick to the Van's Pop-rivet static port?
I know most out there have used the pop-rivet ports without issue, but I
am the sort of person who is willing to spend a little extra if it is
functionally and aesthetically worth it.
Seeya and thanx,
Scott Lewis
RV-10 40172 VH-DRS
Adelaide, South Australia
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy Breaker Tool |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rob Prior (rv7)" <rv7@b4.ca>
I thought all you needed to cause a nice big crack in a canopy was a
1/8" drill bit held at the wrong angle? And a 1/8" bit is a lot smaller
to carry around in the cockpit... :)
-Rob
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "brucebell74" <brucebell74@sbcglobal.net>
> " <brucebell74@sbcglobal.net>
>
> . My question is. How about a pistol to blow a half
>
>>dozen holes in the canopy? Other words shoot your way out of it! Would
>>that
>>break it or just leave six holes in it? Just wondering!
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| Subject: | Re: Autopilot - To Have or Not to Have |
--> RV-List message posted by: "LARRY ADAMSON" <rvhi03@msn.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: Valovich, Paul
Subject: RV-List: Autopilot - To Have or Not to Have
Thanks to some flight time in someone else's RV9A with a dual axis autopilot (TruTrak)
tied to a GPS, I found another great reason for altitude control besides
cross country flight. While transitioning about 20 miles across Class B airspace,
you could set the altitude at ATC's request, which made it a lot easier
to spot for other aircraft as called out by the controller; while looking like
a Pro, by maintaining the exact requested altitude.
#1 on my list was the Garmin 296, which I can now follow up with either TruTrak
or Trio auto-pilots. The 9A setup has spoiled me forever!
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| Subject: | Boston area RV ride |
--> RV-List message posted by: JVanLaak@aol.com
Listers,
I recently attended (non-aviation) training with an inactive pilot from the
Boston area who is interested in seeing what this RV mania is all about. I
don't live anywhere near or I would have volunteered immediately. Any pilots
willing to give this gentleman a ride please contact me off-list.
Thanks,
Jim
RV-6 N79RL
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Autopilot - To Have or Not to Have |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
CW ... or those who know ... about Tru Trak,
Is a Smart Coupler only required on Navaid? I am planning a Tru Trak ...
what kind of a so called "Smart Coupler" is required for the Tru Trak, or is
it required? It will have data input from a Garmin something.
Thanks ...
Jerry Grimmonpre
> --> RV-List message posted by: CW Crane <cwcrane@gbronline.com>
> The Navaid will track a GPS course easily, you just need the Smart Coupler
> (mine
> was built into the head) and a GPS that will output data.
>
> CW Crane
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| Subject: | Autopilot - To Have or Not to Have |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
You don't need any "smart coupler" type device with any of the newer
generation autopilos, specially the TruTraks. You simply hook up one or two
wires to the RS-232 output of your handheld or panel mount GPS. Doesn't get
much easier! Navaids are/were ok autopilots, but they're long behind the
curve compared to the newer stuff on the market.
Cheers,
Stein.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jerry Grimmonpre
Subject: Fw: RV-List: Autopilot - To Have or Not to Have
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
CW ... or those who know ... about Tru Trak,
Is a Smart Coupler only required on Navaid? I am planning a Tru Trak ...
what kind of a so called "Smart Coupler" is required for the Tru Trak, or is
it required? It will have data input from a Garmin something.
Thanks ...
Jerry Grimmonpre
> --> RV-List message posted by: CW Crane <cwcrane@gbronline.com>
> The Navaid will track a GPS course easily, you just need the Smart Coupler
> (mine
> was built into the head) and a GPS that will output data.
>
> CW Crane
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| Subject: | Re: SafeAir Pitot-Static Kits |
--> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
We used the ACS part# 15160, two required, at $15.60 (2003 catalog) on HRII
N561FS. The raised area in the center does stick outside the skin just a
bit, just like pop rivet head. Liked the idea mounting with four rivets
rather than "glue" and of having full sized 1/8" NPT x plastic adaptor
inside of an area what is very difficult to gain entry to and service in the
future. We knew that these would add extra weight but thought that the
.00031 knot loss was worth it. 8*) KABONG Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Lewis" <rv10@tpg.com.au>
Subject: RV-List: SafeAir Pitot-Static Kits
> --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Lewis <rv10@tpg.com.au>
>
> I know most out there have used the pop-rivet ports without issue, but I
> am the sort of person who is willing to spend a little extra if it is
> functionally and aesthetically worth it.
>
> Seeya and thanx,
> Scott Lewis
> RV-10 40172 VH-DRS
> Adelaide, South Australia
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| Subject: | Re: private airport |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard Sipp" <rsipp@earthlink.net>
Brian:
Go to www.livingwithyourplane.com.
David Sclair is the world's most knowledgeable resource for airpark
information.
Dick Sipp
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut@engalt.com>
Subject: RV-List: private airport
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut@engalt.com>
>
> I have a friend that is considering the possibility of getting some land
> and
> putting in his own private airstrip. Can anyone that has done this give
> me
> some advice on what has to be done with the FAA, how hard it is, and who
> to
> contact about it. Aside from city zoning are there other considerations
> that he should be aware of? Thanks.
>
> Brian Kraut
> Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
> www.engalt.com
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| Subject: | Canopy Breaker Tool |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill Schlatterer" <billschlatterer@sbcglobal.net>
Please add as 4a. Don't forget to save the last bullet in case of fire ;o)
Bill S
7a Ark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of JOHN STARN
Subject: Re: RV-List: Canopy Breaker Tool
--> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
Do not archive.
1. Sound & concussion within a closed space
2. CCW (Carrying a concealed weapon)
3. Reversing the path of persons who thought they were coming to your rescue
4. Open flame in the presents of possible fuel fumes
5. Flying canopy pieces
6. Loaded gun on an airplane, EEEGADS
I have a large enough problem with people at APV who wave hello but yell
"Hi Jack"....
KABONG 8*)
----- Original Message -----
From: "brucebell74" <brucebell74@sbcglobal.net>
" <brucebell74@sbcglobal.net>
>
. My question is. How about a pistol to blow a half
> dozen holes in the canopy? Other words shoot your way out of it! Would
> that
> break it or just leave six holes in it? Just wondering!
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| Subject: | SafeAir Pitot-Static Kits |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill Schlatterer" <billschlatterer@sbcglobal.net>
Scott, I just put two of the external ports from ACS on my 7a and wish I
have never started. They are big, ugly, and there is no functional
difference that I can tell.
Use the Vans plan!
YMMV
Bill S
7a Ark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Scott Lewis
Subject: RV-List: SafeAir Pitot-Static Kits
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Lewis <rv10@tpg.com.au>
G'day all,
Was wondering whether anyone out there has experience with the SafeAir
Pitot-Static Kits. Are they worth the extra money or should I just
stick to the Van's Pop-rivet static port?
I know most out there have used the pop-rivet ports without issue, but I
am the sort of person who is willing to spend a little extra if it is
functionally and aesthetically worth it.
Seeya and thanx,
Scott Lewis
RV-10 40172 VH-DRS
Adelaide, South Australia
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| Subject: | Fire Extinguisher Location in -10 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "DejaVu" <wvu@mail.ameritel.net>
How/where has anyone thought about a location for the fire extinguisher in a -10?
Anh
#141
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy Breaker Tool |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott VanArtsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com>
I don't really know because I haven't tried it but will gunfire ignite
leaking fuel? Just curious because I have nothing against firearms.
brucebell74 wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "brucebell74" <brucebell74@sbcglobal.net>
>
>Hi All,
>My RV4 is about to go to the airport. I have been reading the posts on the
>canopy breaker tool. My question is. How about a pistol to blow a half
>dozen holes in the canopy? Other words shoot your way out of it! Would that
>break it or just leave six holes in it? Just wondering!
>RV$'s for ever!
>Bruce Bell
>Lubbock, Texas
>RV4 # 2888
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: SafeAir Pitot-Static Kits |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard E. Tasker" <retasker@optonline.net>
Yeah, but you can get the ones that are internal with just a small
circular area about the size of the rivet showing. That is what I used
(from Wicks because they were cheaper than. ACS).
Dick Tasker
Bill Schlatterer wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill Schlatterer" <billschlatterer@sbcglobal.net>
>
>Scott, I just put two of the external ports from ACS on my 7a and wish I
>have never started. They are big, ugly, and there is no functional
>difference that I can tell.
>
>Use the Vans plan!
>
>YMMV
>
>Bill S
>7a Ark
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Scott Lewis
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: SafeAir Pitot-Static Kits
>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Lewis <rv10@tpg.com.au>
>
>G'day all,
>
>Was wondering whether anyone out there has experience with the SafeAir
>Pitot-Static Kits. Are they worth the extra money or should I just
>stick to the Van's Pop-rivet static port?
>
>I know most out there have used the pop-rivet ports without issue, but I
>am the sort of person who is willing to spend a little extra if it is
>functionally and aesthetically worth it.
>
>Seeya and thanx,
>Scott Lewis
>RV-10 40172 VH-DRS
>Adelaide, South Australia
>
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| Subject: | SafeAir Pitot-Static Kits |
--> RV-List message posted by: "DonVS" <dsvs@comcast.net>
Wicks also sells "Flush Static Ports" See www.dvsrv7.com Look at Sept
18,2004.
Don
Fuse
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard E.
Tasker
Subject: Re: RV-List: SafeAir Pitot-Static Kits
--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard E. Tasker" <retasker@optonline.net>
Yeah, but you can get the ones that are internal with just a small
circular area about the size of the rivet showing. That is what I used
(from Wicks because they were cheaper than. ACS).
Dick Tasker
Bill Schlatterer wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill Schlatterer"
<billschlatterer@sbcglobal.net>
>
>Scott, I just put two of the external ports from ACS on my 7a and wish I
>have never started. They are big, ugly, and there is no functional
>difference that I can tell.
>
>Use the Vans plan!
>
>YMMV
>
>Bill S
>7a Ark
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Scott Lewis
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: SafeAir Pitot-Static Kits
>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Lewis <rv10@tpg.com.au>
>
>G'day all,
>
>Was wondering whether anyone out there has experience with the SafeAir
>Pitot-Static Kits. Are they worth the extra money or should I just
>stick to the Van's Pop-rivet static port?
>
>I know most out there have used the pop-rivet ports without issue, but I
>am the sort of person who is willing to spend a little extra if it is
>functionally and aesthetically worth it.
>
>Seeya and thanx,
>Scott Lewis
>RV-10 40172 VH-DRS
>Adelaide, South Australia
>
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy Breaker Tool |
--> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
If the air/fuel ratio is approx 16 to 1, BOOM. Really close to the leak,
maybe not. But from a foot or more away, WOOOSH. Fire a weapon at night some
time. BIG, LONG flame. Anythere along that flame you get close to the 16x1
ratio & you got fire. KABONG Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott VanArtsdalen" <svanarts@yahoo.com>
> I don't really know because I haven't tried it but will gunfire ignite
> leaking fuel? Just curious because I have nothing against firearms.
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--> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
I sent this off list BUT I think some of the info might save someone from
Re-inventing the wheel AGAIN> KABONG
----- Original Message -----
From: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
Subject: off list responce
> Thanks for the 4a, I was going for the Top 10 Reasons and figured that I
> should leave a few for someone else.
> Would assume that one could shoot out the side with the "up" wing but
> that's still right where a gas tank is located. Also "Gunsmoke" might be
> hard on the lungs 8*)
>
> With regard to the static ports I assume you used the ACS part# 15165 that
> looks to be at least 1 1/4" or so in diameter. We used the #15160, they
> mount inside with flush rivets and only requires a 1/4" hole for the
> raised center to pass thru the skin. The center area is raised about 1/8"
> so its face and pop rivet head stick out about the same amount from the
> skins surface. We used the NPT x tube 90 degree elbows (part# 0710-153)
> for less stress and ease of attachment of the tube to the bulkheads. We
> have done three "conditional inspections" thus far where the HRII's
> baggage compartment pieces are removed and found everything in-place &
> attached.
> KABONG
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| Subject: | Altrack override force |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
I just finished up the Altrack installation in my 6. The ground checks
in the manual check out OK, but haven't had a chance to test fly it. I
noticed that while checking the override force, the servo makes an awful
grinding noise when being overridden. Is this normal for the Trutrack
servos? I am used to the gentle whine sound of the Navaid servos being
overridden.
Thanks
Jeff Point
RV-6
Milwaukee WI
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| Subject: | Re: Altrack override force |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Yep. That's normal. I don't have an Altrak, but on my Digitrak (soon to be
Pictorial Pilot) I have the torque set to 2...really low deliberately so
that I can override it no problem. The lower the torque value, the less
pronounced that "grinding" effect will be. My recommendation (which Jim
corroborated when I spoke with him last week) is to use the lowest possible
activity & torque settings that still accomplish the task.
Best of luck,
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Point" <jpoint@mindspring.com>
Subject: RV-List: Altrack override force
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
>
> I just finished up the Altrack installation in my 6. The ground checks
> in the manual check out OK, but haven't had a chance to test fly it. I
> noticed that while checking the override force, the servo makes an awful
> grinding noise when being overridden. Is this normal for the Trutrack
> servos? I am used to the gentle whine sound of the Navaid servos being
> overridden.
>
> Thanks
> Jeff Point
> RV-6
> Milwaukee WI
>
>
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Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 01:36:42 -0500
--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Rice" <rice737@msn.com>
Hey All,
I have most of my tail feathers finished, but I am running into trouble with
the right elevator. Both my left elevator and rudder are finished and look
good, but when I try to put the right together after the final bend process,
the 703 tip rib doesn't align correctly, even though the trailing edge is as
straight a possible prior to trying to install it. With just the 702 spar
and 709 root rib only clecoed in, the elevator looks to be straight and
true. This is the second try for this elevator, same result on the first
try. Any suggestions? Anybody else have the same issue?
Thanks,
Paul
RV8QB
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| Subject: | Question on Registration paperwork |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Robertson" <mrobert569@hotmail.com>
Richard,
Leave the bill of sale from Van's as is and list your name as the
manufacturer on the registration application. Don't forget to send the
notarized affidavit of ownership.
Mike Robertson
Das Fed
>From: "Richard Suffoletto" <rsuffoletto@hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: Question on Registration paperwork
>Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 09:08:55 -0800
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard Suffoletto"
><rsuffoletto@hotmail.com>
>
>
>I have searched the archives and have not found the answer to this.
>
>Who is listed as the manufacturer on form 8050-1 ?
>
>The "kit" bill of sale from Van's does not list a manufacturer just the
>model number.
>
>If I list myself as the manufacuturer on form 8050-1 do I also change the
>kit bill of sale form?
>
>I'm sure this has been asked many times but darn if I could find it in the
>archives...
>
>Thanks
>
>Richard
>
>
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| Subject: | Canopy Breaker Survival Gear Instructions. |
--> RV-List message posted by: GMC <gmcnutt@shaw.ca>
Hi Andy, here is how I did it.
(1) First cut two V notches in the bottom of passenger stick leaving
(sharpened) inverted "V" points at bottom end.
(2) Next enlarge the stick & socket bolt hole from 3/16 to 1/4 inch.
(3) Go to your local swimming pool supply house and get two plastic "bails",
(about a buck each, one for practice) they are used in the handles of
swimming pool cleaning equipment, look like a turkey wishbone and have two
1/4 inch spring loaded retaining tips for holding cleaning handle sections
together.
(4) Next shorten the two tips so the bail will fit up inside the stick with
the spring loaded tips sticking out of the enlarged stick bolt holes. Tips
should only protrude out through stick socket about 1/16 inch or less, just
enough that you can feel them in the dark. Round shoulders of tips slightly
to make stick installation easier.
(5) Install in aircraft and you now have a secure passenger stick that is
easy to remove for maintenance, non pilot passengers and a quick release
canopy breaking tool.
George McNutt
Langley BC
6A flying
7A fuse
--> RV-List message posted by: "Andy Gold" <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
In my 6A, I pulled out the right side stick and filed sharp teeth into its
bottom end. The idea was that this would be a good size tool that's always
in the airplane, easily reachable, that didn't take up any extra space and
didn't add any weight.
The unexpected problem was (and still is) finding a quick disconnect
fastener to replace the AN-3 bolt
snip -------------------
I still think this is the perfect solutions, if only we can find the proper
connecter. Any ideas?
Andy
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| Subject: | Re: Altrack override force |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
Thanks Dan. On the Altrack there is no torque setting. The activity
setting is low, medium or high (medium by default for RVs, per the
manual.) My understanding is that the activity setting is the rate of
servo movement, but not the torque. The pushrod is on the farthest hole
on the servo arm, which would give the lowest torque. I can easily
override it, but it makes that grinding noise. We'll see tomorrow how
it flies.
Jeff Point
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