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1. 02:20 AM - Re: Wooden gear-leg stiffeners (Mickey Coggins)
2. 03:47 AM - Re: Riveting the Horizontal Stabilizer: rivet length (Dana Overall)
3. 04:44 AM - Re: Handheld Radio (CBRxxDRV@aol.com)
4. 04:52 AM - Re: NACA Ducts and RTV (jacklockamy)
5. 05:00 AM - Final hours, Orndorf RV Videos on Ebay (Sterling)
6. 05:21 AM - EFIS Options (Valovich, Paul)
7. 05:31 AM - Re: Alclad Scratch--Prime? (Brian Denk)
8. 06:15 AM - Re: Currency, was Autopilot to...... (John Furey)
9. 06:24 AM - Re: Wooden gear-leg stiffeners (WFACT01@aol.com)
10. 06:37 AM - Re: EFIS Options (Mickey Coggins)
11. 07:15 AM - Re: Wooden gear-leg stiffeners (Mickey Coggins)
12. 07:19 AM - Re: Wooden gear-leg stiffeners (Dale Ensing)
13. 07:20 AM - RV-6 TD project available (Morley Bullock)
14. 07:34 AM - Re: EFIS Options (Jeff Dowling)
15. 07:35 AM - Re: Wooden gear-leg stiffeners (Jeff Dowling)
16. 07:37 AM - Re: Wooden gear-leg stiffeners (Jeff Point)
17. 07:57 AM - Re: Wooden gear-leg stiffeners (WFACT01@aol.com)
18. 07:57 AM - Re: Wooden gear-leg stiffeners (Jerry Grimmonpre)
19. 07:57 AM - Re: Wooden gear-leg stiffeners (WFACT01@aol.com)
20. 08:16 AM - Re: Wooden gear-leg stiffeners (John Danielson)
21. 08:33 AM - Re: Wooden gear-leg stiffeners (WFACT01@aol.com)
22. 08:35 AM - Re: Wooden gear-leg stiffeners (Tommy Walker)
23. 08:47 AM - Re: Wooden gear-leg stiffeners (Bill VonDane)
24. 08:59 AM - Wooden gear-leg stiffeners (Stucklen, Frederic W UTPWR)
25. 09:41 AM - AeroCarb fo Lycoming 0-320 (Vic Jacko)
26. 10:03 AM - Re: NACA Ducts and RTV (owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com)
27. 10:54 AM - Re: NACA Ducts and RTV (Konrad L. Werner)
28. 10:55 AM - Rivet Cutting (mlwynn@aol.com)
29. 10:59 AM - Re: Wooden gear-leg stiffeners (HCRV6@aol.com)
30. 11:14 AM - Re: Rivet Cutting (Terry Watson)
31. 11:16 AM - Re: Wooden gear-leg stiffeners (HCRV6@aol.com)
32. 11:48 AM - Re: NACA Ducts and RTV (Chuck Weyant)
33. 12:00 PM - Sikaflex and Van's powdercoat (Greg.Puckett@united.com)
34. 12:11 PM - corrosion removal on wheels (Charles Heathco)
35. 02:04 PM - Re: NACA Ducts and RTV (Mark Nielsen)
36. 03:12 PM - Re: Navaid GPS tracking works! (Tom Barnes)
37. 04:31 PM - Re: Wooden gear-leg stiffeners (John Danielson)
38. 04:53 PM - Re: Sikaflex and Van's powdercoat (gert)
39. 05:34 PM - Re: corrosion removal on wheels (Brian Alley)
40. 05:48 PM - First Flight Video... N174JL (jacklockamy)
41. 06:19 PM - Re: Wooden gear-leg stiffeners (Jerry Springer)
42. 07:05 PM - Re: Rivet Cutting (Ed Van)
43. 07:21 PM - Flap Brace Dimpling (Jamie Painter)
44. 07:24 PM - Re: corrosion removal on wheels (Jim Jewell)
45. 07:24 PM - Re: Rivet Cutting (Kyle Boatright)
46. 08:26 PM - Any chemists out there? Re: Alodine (Richard Scott)
47. 08:32 PM - Balance pants (Emrath)
48. 09:02 PM - Re: RV-List Digest 03/27/05 (DEAN PSIROPOULOS)
49. 10:15 PM - Re: NACA Ducts and RTV (sarg314)
50. 11:25 PM - Re: NACA Ducts and RTV (Bob Perkinson)
51. 11:29 PM - Re: Rivet Cutting (Bob Perkinson)
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| Subject: | Re: Wooden gear-leg stiffeners |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
Hi Jeff,
What do you mean by balancing the wheel pants? I've never
heard of this, unless I know it by a different term.
Thanks,
Mickey
> ...
> Recently I got around to balancing the wheel pants, as I had read
> about. A local old-timer has been bugging me to do this for some time
> and swears by it. Well, I did it and now I'm a believer. No shimmy at
> all since balancing them.
>
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 Wiring
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| Subject: | Riveting the Horizontal Stabilizer: rivet length |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Michael, this is an area of the building process that all newbees discover.
Call Van's and they will tell you to look at the number of rivets holding
those pieces together. There answer a long time ago was they tried the next
longer rivets only to discover builders would probably bend them over on a
regular basis so a good rivet .5 too small was better than redrilled holes
with a fantastic shop head. Rivet and move on:-), it won't come apart.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY i39
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
Finish kit
13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon.
http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg
http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg
http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Handheld Radio |
--> RV-List message posted by: CBRxxDRV@aol.com
Just as a side note. There is a new ICOM due to release with
a larger display. A good time to buy the A23 and A5 is just
a couple weeks away....or so I've been told.
Do not archive
RV-4
RV-8 QB .... Fuselage (canoe)
Sal Capra
Lakeland, FL
My Home Page
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| Subject: | Re: NACA Ducts and RTV |
--> RV-List message posted by: "jacklockamy" <jacklockamy@verizon.net>
Get yourself some 3M 5200 Marine Adhesive. It takes about 3 days for it to 'set
up'. But once it does.... your NACA vents WON'T be coming off.
I used 3M 5300 on the NACA ducts (and other parts) on my last two planes. Haven't
found anything stronger yet. Be sure to refrigerate the un-used portion of
the adhesive.
Jack Lockamy
Camarillo, CA
-7A Flying
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| Subject: | Final hours, Orndorf RV Videos on Ebay |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Sterling" <sterling@pgrb.com>
Last day to get a good deal on an Ordorf RV video on Ebay.
Item numbers 4537729428 and 4537703612. I also have item number 4537719007 which
is a video I produced for Mosler Aircraft Engines in 1991 on how to install
the Mosler 82 X engine in an Avid.
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Valovich, Paul" <pvalovich@dcscorp.com>
I'm still in the avionics dreaming stage. Thanks to the response I
received from my recent autopilot posting, I've decided to install an
autopilot - type TBD.
Now on to another unemotional issue - which EFIS to install, Dynon, Blue
Mountain, GRT, or another I'm not familiar with? I also want to include
an engine monitoring capability - not necessarily as an integrated unit
with the EFIS. I realize they are at different stages of development,
so my questions have more to do with human factors / usability. The GRT
seems superior but comes with a pretty steep price tag. Does the BMA
screen layout really present a usable Nav / ILS display? Does size
(display screen size) matter enough to be the deciding factor? What
about the potential vulnerability non-heated Dynon (and perhaps others)
pitot probe? And probably a whole bunch more I'm not yet smart enough to
ask about.
If I hit the lottery, the GRT / Gamin 430 combo seems ideal, but are
there more cost effective alternatives?
I won't be spending the $ for about a year - planning is a big part of
the fun.
Paul Valovich
Waiting for the RV-8A QB Delivery
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| Subject: | Alclad Scratch--Prime? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>Hi all,
>
>I yet another of the continuing newbie questions:
>
>I have primed all the ribs and spars in my horizontal stab. I was
>deburring
>and dimpling the skins when I found a couple of pretty good scratches
>(well,
>maybe closer to gouges) from fitting the middle ribs--this on the inside
>of
>the skin, very near the front and slightly to the side of the rivet line.
>I was
>scratching my head about how thick the alclad is and if I should spot prime
>these areas. I had decided not to prime the entire skin for weight and
>general
>hassle considerations--plus I live in a pretty dry climate (at least most
>years).
>
>Thoughts? O/C's striking yet again?
>
>I used AKZO two part epoxy for the spars and ribs. Any reason I couldn't
>spray a little Marhyde over the skin scratches? I assume that once dry,
>they
>don't react.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Michael Wynn
>RV-8, Empennage
>San Ramon, California
Just zap a little Marhyde on the scratches if it'll help you sleep at night.
My -8 had scratches and scuffs all over the place from workshop rash and
handling over 30 months of fervent building. It's all part of the game.
You're going to ding it over the next few years so don't O/C over it.
Van's tech help mantra applies: Just build the plane.
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD flying five years
RV10 '51
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| Subject: | Currency, was Autopilot to...... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Furey" <john@fureychrysler.com>
Doug, I enjoyed your enjoyable and educational response, but the most
thought provoking words were your last sentence.
Thanks
John
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| Subject: | Re: Wooden gear-leg stiffeners |
--> RV-List message posted by: WFACT01@aol.com
MICKEY-One better way works for ever is a (2) two part foam-made by
CONVENIENCE PRODUCTS-PN-U2-12----TEL 1-800-325-6180 --You do-not need the wood,its
been
in my fairings since 1992-over 1000hrs-easy way to do it-TOM
Tom Whelan
Whelan Farms Airport
President EAA Chapter 1097
wfact01@aol.com
249 Hard Hill Road North
PO Box 426
Bethlehem, CT 06751
Tel: 203-266-5300
Fax: 202-266-5140
EAA Technical/Flight Advisor
RV-8 IO-540 LYC (41 HRS TT TIME)
S-51 Mustang Turbine (Under Construction)
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| Subject: | Re: EFIS Options |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
Hi Paul,
If you are waiting for the QB, then you have some time to
decide. I started looking at the end of 2003, and I've
changed my mind twice, and I have not yet bought mine.
I hope to be flying in a couple of months at the outside,
so I might be a bit late.
These units are changing very quickly, as is the pricing.
The competition is heating up, particularly in the engine
monitoring area. There are some really good units out
there, and they are getting better.
Keep your finger on the trigger, but don't pull 'til
you see the whites of their eyes!
Mickey
Valovich, Paul wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Valovich, Paul" <pvalovich@dcscorp.com>
>
> I'm still in the avionics dreaming stage. Thanks to the response I
> received from my recent autopilot posting, I've decided to install an
> autopilot - type TBD.
>
>
> Now on to another unemotional issue - which EFIS to install, Dynon, Blue
> Mountain, GRT, or another I'm not familiar with? I also want to include
> an engine monitoring capability - not necessarily as an integrated unit
> with the EFIS. I realize they are at different stages of development,
> so my questions have more to do with human factors / usability. The GRT
> seems superior but comes with a pretty steep price tag. Does the BMA
> screen layout really present a usable Nav / ILS display? Does size
> (display screen size) matter enough to be the deciding factor? What
> about the potential vulnerability non-heated Dynon (and perhaps others)
> pitot probe? And probably a whole bunch more I'm not yet smart enough to
> ask about.
>
>
> If I hit the lottery, the GRT / Gamin 430 combo seems ideal, but are
> there more cost effective alternatives?
>
>
> I won't be spending the $ for about a year - planning is a big part of
> the fun.
>
> Paul Valovich
>
> Waiting for the RV-8A QB Delivery
>
>
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 Wiring
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| Subject: | Re: Wooden gear-leg stiffeners |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
Hi Tom,
Thanks for the info. I was asking about the wheel pant balancing,
and I got an answer from Jim off-list. Just in case anyone else has not
heard of this, here's the greatly summarized info that he sent me:
"To do it, just hang the pant by the axle location and see how it hangs.
Most likely, it will be tail heavy. Put lead in the nose until it
balances."
Best regards,
Mickey
> MICKEY-One better way works for ever is a (2) two part foam-made by
> CONVENIENCE PRODUCTS-PN-U2-12----TEL 1-800-325-6180 --You do-not need the wood,its
been
> in my fairings since 1992-over 1000hrs-easy way to do it-TOM
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 Wiring
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| Subject: | Re: Wooden gear-leg stiffeners |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
Tom
Is it a ridget or flexible foam? And did you pour it in place after fitting
the fairing?
Dale Ensing
do not archive
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| Subject: | RV-6 TD project available |
--> RV-List message posted by: Morley Bullock <bullockm@shaw.ca>
Hi all,
I have an RV-6 project, tail complete, prepunched wings mostly complete,
slowbuild fuselage on jig, less finishing kit for sale in the Houston, TX
area. Please email off line for info.
Thank you,
M. Bullock
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| Subject: | Re: EFIS Options |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
Sun n Fun is 2 weeks away. It would be a perfect place to go with these
questions. Its nice talking to the actual guy who designed this stuff, well
in some cases anyway.
do not archive
Shemp/Jeff Dowling
RV-6A, N915JD
165 hours
Chicago/Louisville
----- Original Message -----
From: "Valovich, Paul" <pvalovich@dcscorp.com>
Subject: RV-List: EFIS Options
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Valovich, Paul" <pvalovich@dcscorp.com>
>
> I'm still in the avionics dreaming stage. Thanks to the response I
> received from my recent autopilot posting, I've decided to install an
> autopilot - type TBD.
>
>
> Now on to another unemotional issue - which EFIS to install, Dynon, Blue
> Mountain, GRT, or another I'm not familiar with? I also want to include
> an engine monitoring capability - not necessarily as an integrated unit
> with the EFIS. I realize they are at different stages of development,
> so my questions have more to do with human factors / usability. The GRT
> seems superior but comes with a pretty steep price tag. Does the BMA
> screen layout really present a usable Nav / ILS display? Does size
> (display screen size) matter enough to be the deciding factor? What
> about the potential vulnerability non-heated Dynon (and perhaps others)
> pitot probe? And probably a whole bunch more I'm not yet smart enough to
> ask about.
>
>
> If I hit the lottery, the GRT / Gamin 430 combo seems ideal, but are
> there more cost effective alternatives?
>
>
> I won't be spending the $ for about a year - planning is a big part of
> the fun.
>
> Paul Valovich
>
> Waiting for the RV-8A QB Delivery
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wooden gear-leg stiffeners |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
Tom, that was confusing. Are you saying the foam is a good way to balance
your wheel fairings?
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: <WFACT01@aol.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Wooden gear-leg stiffeners
> --> RV-List message posted by: WFACT01@aol.com
>
> MICKEY-One better way works for ever is a (2) two part foam-made by
> CONVENIENCE PRODUCTS-PN-U2-12----TEL 1-800-325-6180 --You do-not need the
> wood,its been
> in my fairings since 1992-over 1000hrs-easy way to do it-TOM
>
> Tom Whelan
> Whelan Farms Airport
> President EAA Chapter 1097
> wfact01@aol.com
> 249 Hard Hill Road North
> PO Box 426
> Bethlehem, CT 06751
> Tel: 203-266-5300
> Fax: 202-266-5140
> EAA Technical/Flight Advisor
> RV-8 IO-540 LYC (41 HRS TT TIME)
> S-51 Mustang Turbine (Under Construction)
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wooden gear-leg stiffeners |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
Yep, that's pretty much it. To expand a little- duct tape a large dowel
or tube to the bottom at the axle point. Duct tape a small dixie cup to
the nose. Balance the dowel between two tables, and it will be very
tail heavy. Get some lead shot and put it in the dixie cup until it
balances. Mix the shot with epoxy and glue it into the nose of the pant.
Jeff
>"To do it, just hang the pant by the axle location and see how it hangs.
>Most likely, it will be tail heavy. Put lead in the nose until it
>balances."
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wooden gear-leg stiffeners |
--> RV-List message posted by: WFACT01@aol.com
DALE-Its flexible-TOM
Tom Whelan
Whelan Farms Airport
President EAA Chapter 1097
wfact01@aol.com
249 Hard Hill Road North
PO Box 426
Bethlehem, CT 06751
Tel: 203-266-5300
Fax: 202-266-5140
EAA Technical/Flight Advisor
RV-8 540 LYC (Just Flew, Look Out!)
S-51 Mustang Turbine (Under Construction)
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| Subject: | Re: Wooden gear-leg stiffeners |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
Hi Tom ...
Thanks for your tip about the two part foam. Can you elaborate on that
product and the fitting to gear leg? Can you supply more specifics about
Convenience Products. I can't find their web site nor does the part #
google.
Regards ...
Jerry Grimmonpre
> --> RV-List message posted by: WFACT01@aol.com
>
> MICKEY-One better way works for ever is a (2) two part foam-made by
> CONVENIENCE PRODUCTS-PN-U2-12----TEL 1-800-325-6180 --You do-not need the
> wood,its been
> in my fairings since 1992-over 1000hrs-easy way to do it-TOM
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| Subject: | Re: Wooden gear-leg stiffeners |
--> RV-List message posted by: WFACT01@aol.com
JEFF-Sorry its the best way to dampen the gear movement-TOM
Tom Whelan
Whelan Farms Airport
President EAA Chapter 1097
wfact01@aol.com
249 Hard Hill Road North
PO Box 426
Bethlehem, CT 06751
Tel: 203-266-5300
Fax: 202-266-5140
EAA Technical/Flight Advisor
RV-8 540 LYC (Just Flew, Look Out!)
S-51 Mustang Turbine (Under Construction)
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| Subject: | Wooden gear-leg stiffeners |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Danielson" <johnd@wlcwyo.com>
You may reconsider the 2 part foam.
I seem to recall Jerry Springer using this method on his RV-6, only to
find corrosion on the gear legs after a few years.
FWIW
John L. Danielson
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of WFACT01@aol.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: Wooden gear-leg stiffeners
--> RV-List message posted by: WFACT01@aol.com
MICKEY-One better way works for ever is a (2) two part foam-made by
CONVENIENCE PRODUCTS-PN-U2-12----TEL 1-800-325-6180 --You do-not need
the wood,its been
in my fairings since 1992-over 1000hrs-easy way to do it-TOM
Tom Whelan
Whelan Farms Airport
President EAA Chapter 1097
wfact01@aol.com
249 Hard Hill Road North
PO Box 426
Bethlehem, CT 06751
Tel: 203-266-5300
Fax: 202-266-5140
EAA Technical/Flight Advisor
RV-8 IO-540 LYC (41 HRS TT TIME)
S-51 Mustang Turbine (Under Construction)
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| Subject: | Re: Wooden gear-leg stiffeners |
--> RV-List message posted by: WFACT01@aol.com
JOHN-Did he two part epoxy the gear legs -we got six airplanes flying-one was
changed after 3 years for up dated wheel pants and was perfect-TOM
Tom Whelan
Whelan Farms Airport
President EAA Chapter 1097
wfact01@aol.com
249 Hard Hill Road North
PO Box 426
Bethlehem, CT 06751
Tel: 203-266-5300
Fax: 202-266-5140
EAA Technical/Flight Advisor
RV-8 540 LYC (Just Flew, Look Out!)
S-51 Mustang Turbine (Under Construction)
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| Subject: | Re: Wooden gear-leg stiffeners |
Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 10:35:57 -0600
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" <twsurveyor@msn.com>
On the "A" models, does the wood stiffener go on the front of the gear leg or the
rear?
Tommy
6A, Wheel pants and fairings.
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| Subject: | Re: Wooden gear-leg stiffeners |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
My nose wheel gets to bouncing while taxiing sometimes... I think
stiffener up there might do some good...
The mains are fine without I think...
-Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tommy Walker" <twsurveyor@msn.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Wooden gear-leg stiffeners
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" <twsurveyor@msn.com>
On the "A" models, does the wood stiffener go on the front of the gear leg
or the rear?
Tommy
6A, Wheel pants and fairings.
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| Subject: | Wooden gear-leg stiffeners |
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Stucklen, Frederic W UTPWR" <Fred.Stucklen@UTCFuelCells.com>
Shirley,
I'm on my second -6A. the first had the stiffeners (2008 Hrs), the second
doesn't have them (375 Hrs). My opinion is that there isn't much difference
in the ground handling. Without stiffeners, there is a little bit more
bounce & maybe a little bit more tire wear......
Fred stucklen
RV-6A N926RV
Time:
05:48:48 PM PST US
From: "Shirley Harding" < shirleyh@argo.net.au
<mailto:shirleyh@argo.net.au> >
Subject: Wooden gear-leg stiffeners
--> RV-List message posted by: "Shirley Harding" <
shirleyh@argo.net.au <mailto:shirleyh@argo.net.au> >
With so many RV6's now flying, I'm wondering about people's
experiences with/without
the timber gear leg stiffeners shown on the plans. Vans seems a bit
uncommitted
about the benefits - what's the general opinion out there - is it
worth
the extra work?
Shirley Harding
RV6 QB
Contemplating gear leg fairings
Perth Western Australia
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| Subject: | AeroCarb fo Lycoming 0-320 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Vic Jacko" <vicwj@earthlink.net>
Hi,
Is there anyone on the list that has used the Aerocarb on the Lycoming 0-320?
If so would you please tell us about it.
Vic
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| Subject: | NACA Ducts and RTV |
--> RV-List message posted by:
You might want to consider RTVing a SS screen on the face of the NACA, drill
holes, dimple-countersink and put dimpled nutplates (K1100-8) on a backing
strip so that the duct be removable for cleaning. That's what I did - my
ducts have a screen to block off creatures from entering the plane and are
screwed on. If any one wants pictures, be glad to send them off line.
Michle
Wings RV8
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James H Nelson
> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 1:10 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: NACA Ducts and RTV
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: James H Nelson <rv9jim@juno.com>
>
> Matt,
> Use pro seal from the fuel tanks. It will never let go and its
> PAINTABLE unlike silicone
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: NACA Ducts and RTV |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad L. Werner" <klwerner@comcast.net>
Dear Michle,
I am interested in your screen/duct pics.
Thanks,
Konrad
klwerner>at<comcast>dot<net
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 10:57 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: NACA Ducts and RTV
--> RV-List message posted by:
You might want to consider RTVing a SS screen on the face of the NACA, drill
holes, dimple-countersink and put dimpled nutplates (K1100-8) on a backing
strip so that the duct be removable for cleaning. That's what I did - my
ducts have a screen to block off creatures from entering the plane and are
screwed on. If any one wants pictures, be glad to send them off line.
Michle
Wings RV8
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James H Nelson
> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 1:10 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: NACA Ducts and RTV
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: James H Nelson <rv9jim@juno.com>
>
> Matt,
> Use pro seal from the fuel tanks. It will never let go and its
> PAINTABLE unlike silicone
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: mlwynn@aol.com
Hi folks,
I bought an inexpensive rivet cutter from Avery (I think). The first time I tried
to use it, it bit me (sharp edges on cheap stamped parts). I have some hand
arthritis and really had trouble cutting the rivet at all. Is there a better
alternative? Something with more mechanical advantage? What do you all use?
Regards,
Michael Wynn
RV8 Empennage
San Ramon, CA
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| Subject: | Re: Wooden gear-leg stiffeners |
--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
In a message dated 3/27/05 5:49:46 PM Pacific Standard Time,
shirleyh@argo.net.au writes:
> <<With so many RV6's now flying, I'm wondering about people's experiences
> with/without the timber gear leg stiffeners shown on the plans. Vans seems a
> bit uncommitted about the benefits - what's the general opinion out there -
> is it worth he extra work? >>
Shirly: FWIW I did not put them on my RV-6 in spite of dire warnings from
several other RV owners and at least with my airplane I see no reason for them.
The only time I have noticed any gear leg jitter (or whatever you would call
it) was when I raised the tire pressure to 35 psi. As long as the pressure
is 30 psi or below there is no problem whatsoever. I suppose the issue is
different from airplane to airplane, which is probably why Van remains ambivalent
about the need for stiffeners. As for myself, I would not put them on unless
your experience shows a need for them after taxi/flight testing. As the
saying goes, just my $0.02 worth.
Harry Crosby
RV-6, 51 hours and down for the switch to detergent oil from mineral oil.
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
Michael,
The 2004-2005 issue of Aircraft Spruce catalog page 498 shows four different
rivet cutters, from p/n 12-00200 for $12.95 to a bench-type p/n 12-00262 for
$88.40. I doubt if any of the less expensive cutters have a mechanical
advantage over the ones you have, but they are probably more precise.
I don't remember cutting very many rivets in the entire project to date.
Terry
RV-8A
Finishing
I bought an inexpensive rivet cutter from Avery (I think). The first time I
tried to use it, it bit me (sharp edges on cheap stamped parts). I have
some hand arthritis and really had trouble cutting the rivet at all. Is
there a better alternative? Something with more mechanical advantage? What
do you all use?
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| Subject: | Re: Wooden gear-leg stiffeners |
--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
In a message dated 3/27/05 10:42:34 PM Pacific Standard Time,
kboatright1@comcast.net writes:
> <<, I balanced the wheelpants on my airplane before
> the first flight. Obviously that didn't prevent the shimmy on my airplane. >
> >
>
> Just another data point Shirly, but I since Kyle raised the issue I'll add
> to my previous comments that I did not balance my wheel pants either, and they
> are way tail heavy because of an overly thick mud wall I added in the aft
> section, and I still don't have any jitter or shimmy (maybe tail heavy is good
> where wheel pants are concerned). I have used my brakes pretty aggressively,
> but not to the point that I was concerned with going up on the nose. I do
> keep the stick well into my gut whenever I get on the brakes.
Harry Crosby
RV-6, 51 hours.
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| Subject: | Re: NACA Ducts and RTV |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Chuck Weyant" <cweyant@chuckdirect.com>
Orrrrr, just place a 6"x6" piece of ordinary plastic window screen material
(available at OSH or anywhere) over the exit end of the NACA vent, then
simply place/slide the vent tube over that and clamp. Done.
Chuck Weyant
Santa Maria, CA
RV9A 90 Hours!
----- Original Message -----
From: <owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: NACA Ducts and RTV
> --> RV-List message posted by:
>
> You might want to consider RTVing a SS screen on the face of the NACA,
drill
> holes, dimple-countersink and put dimpled nutplates (K1100-8) on a backing
> strip so that the duct be removable for cleaning. That's what I did - my
> ducts have a screen to block off creatures from entering the plane and are
> screwed on. If any one wants pictures, be glad to send them off line.
>
> Michle
> Wings RV8
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
> > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James H Nelson
> > Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 1:10 AM
> > To: rv-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RV-List: NACA Ducts and RTV
> >
> > --> RV-List message posted by: James H Nelson <rv9jim@juno.com>
> >
> > Matt,
> > Use pro seal from the fuel tanks. It will never let go and its
> > PAINTABLE unlike silicone
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Sikaflex and Van's powdercoat |
--> RV-List message posted by: Greg.Puckett@united.com
Although I was able to find quite a bit of achieved info for using
Sikaflex to attach the canopy to the frame, I could not find info about
whether the powdercoat on the frame needed to be removed.
For those of you that used this method, did you remove the powdercoat=3F
If not, how did you prep the surface=3F
Thanks,
Greg Puckett
Elizabeth, CO
RV-8 80081
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| Subject: | corrosion removal on wheels |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Heathco" <cheathco@comcast.net>
Anybody got a quick and easy method for removing those powdery looking spots on
my Matco wheels? I know brushing with steel brush is a no no. charlie heathco
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| Subject: | Re: NACA Ducts and RTV |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mark Nielsen" <marknielsen@new.rr.com>
> I glued the vents in my -7A with RTV, and I'm confident they'll stay
in. I
> have about 70 hours on the plane now. It is in the paint shop, so I
can't
> comment on how well the RTV holds paint, but there is so much area of
RTV that
>
> there is no way they are going to fall off!
>
Perhaps -- perhaps not.
I used RTV to attach my NACA vents. On one I used RTV plus a few
rivets, on the other RTV only. The one with RTV only fell off after
around 200 hours. I didn't have any proseal to fix it with, but a
friend did. I got everything prepared, flew to the friend's airport,
mixed a dab of proseal, glued and duct taped the vent in place, taped
over the outside to keep the air out for the flight home, and flew home.
After a few days of curing, I reconnected the hose to the vent. The
vent is still holding.
Mark Nielsen
RV-6, 954 hrs.
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| Subject: | Re: Navaid GPS tracking works! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Barnes" <skytop@megsinet.net>
I wonder if my GNS430 has the same option?
Tom Barnes -6 96hrs
----- Original Message -----
From: <HCRV6@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: Navaid GPS tracking works!
> --> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
>
> I guess I should feel dumb but I'm so tickled that my Navaid now tracks a
GPS
> course like it is glued to it. Thanks to Dan, John and Jeff and anyone
else
> who prompted me all I had to do was go to the Main Menu on my Garmin 195
and
> turn on the NMEA data output. So simple and yet so important, and not
> mentioned anywhere in the instructions.
>
> Man, this list is GREAT!
>
> Harry Crosby
> RV-6, 51 hours
>
>
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| Subject: | Wooden gear-leg stiffeners |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Danielson" <Jdaniel343@bresnan.net>
I don't know if he did cover the gear legs in epoxy.
I didn't realize you had covered your gear legs in epoxy either.
That would probably seal off the metal.
John L. Danielson
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of WFACT01@aol.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: Wooden gear-leg stiffeners
--> RV-List message posted by: WFACT01@aol.com
JOHN-Did he two part epoxy the gear legs -we got six airplanes
flying-one was
changed after 3 years for up dated wheel pants and was perfect-TOM
Tom Whelan
Whelan Farms Airport
President EAA Chapter 1097
wfact01@aol.com
249 Hard Hill Road North
PO Box 426
Bethlehem, CT 06751
Tel: 203-266-5300
Fax: 202-266-5140
EAA Technical/Flight Advisor
RV-8 540 LYC (Just Flew, Look Out!)
S-51 Mustang Turbine (Under Construction)
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| Subject: | Re: Sikaflex and Van's powdercoat |
--> RV-List message posted by: gert <gert.v@sbcglobal.net>
I called Sika on that...
IF the poweder coating is properly applied and adhered to the frame, all
you need is scuffing the poweder coating thoroughly with fine grid sand
papaer scotch brite, etc.
gert
Greg.Puckett@united.com wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Greg.Puckett@united.com
>
>Although I was able to find quite a bit of achieved info for using
>Sikaflex to attach the canopy to the frame, I could not find info about
>whether the powdercoat on the frame needed to be removed.
>
>For those of you that used this method, did you remove the powdercoat=3F
>If not, how did you prep the surface=3F
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>Greg Puckett
>Elizabeth, CO
>RV-8 80081
>
>
>
>
--
is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500
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| Subject: | Re: corrosion removal on wheels |
--> RV-List message posted by: Brian Alley <n320wt@yahoo.com>
Try a tooth brush and Colgate tooth paste. Don't laugh
it works.
BRIAN ALLEY (N320WT)
CARBON FIBER COMPOSITES
101 Caroline Circle
Hurricane, WV 25526
304-562-6800 home
How are you going to win by a nose if you don't stick out your neck?
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| Subject: | First Flight Video... N174JL |
--> RV-List message posted by: "jacklockamy" <jacklockamy@verizon.net>
The 'First Flight Video' is finally here: go to www.jacklockamy.com Scroll down on left side under 'Table of Contents', 'Current Project', and click on 'FIRST FLIGHT VIDEO'.
Thanks again to Dan Checkoway for flying chase and his passenger Jay Hagwell of
Yuda Vision Productions for a really nice video!
This is my third aircraft project and definitely the most satisfying.
Enjoy!
Jack Lockamy
Camarillo, CA
-7A (#71103)
N174JL Flying... 11.1 hrs down... 13.9 to go!
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| Subject: | Re: Wooden gear-leg stiffeners |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@comcast.net>
I had only primed and painted the gear legs, it was not epoxy paint.
The foam was two part sprayed in and it seemd to eat right through the
paint and primer
and attacked the gear legs causing them to rust. I am sure epoxy paint
would solve the problem.
Jerry
John Danielson wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "John Danielson" <Jdaniel343@bresnan.net>
>
>I don't know if he did cover the gear legs in epoxy.
>I didn't realize you had covered your gear legs in epoxy either.
>That would probably seal off the metal.
>
>John L. Danielson
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of WFACT01@aol.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Wooden gear-leg stiffeners
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: WFACT01@aol.com
>
>JOHN-Did he two part epoxy the gear legs -we got six airplanes
>flying-one was
>changed after 3 years for up dated wheel pants and was perfect-TOM
>
>Tom Whelan
>Whelan Farms Airport
>President EAA Chapter 1097
>wfact01@aol.com
>249 Hard Hill Road North
>PO Box 426
>Bethlehem, CT 06751
>Tel: 203-266-5300
>Fax: 202-266-5140
>EAA Technical/Flight Advisor
>RV-8 540 LYC (Just Flew, Look Out!)
>S-51 Mustang Turbine (Under Construction)
>
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Ed Van <rv7ator@yahoo.com>
What's wrong with just grinding/belt sanding rivets to
the correct length if you seldom have to do it?
__________________________________
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| Subject: | Flap Brace Dimpling |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jamie Painter" <jdpainter@jpainter.org>
Fellow Builders:
Boy...I really painted myself into a corner this time.
My wings are now completely skinned and I'm working on mounting my flaps.
Unfortunately I lacked any foresight in countersinking the flap brace before
the skins were riveted on. I thought that I could easily fix this problem by
countersinking and reinforcing the hinge pin and dimpling the skin and flap
brace...but I can't get my pneumatic squeezer in there for the dimpling. So,
I ordered the vice grip dimplers from Cleaveland but there is NO WAY I'm going
to be able to hand dimple that flap brace...it's way too thick.
Any thoughts or suggestions here? I can't believe that I might be the first
person to do this. I think a possibility would be to drill out the flap
brace-to-spar rivets, do the necessary countersinking and re-attach the brace
with pop-rivets (I believe the quickbuilders use pop-rivets anyway). I hope
someone can offer a better suggestion. I'm calling Van's tomorrow but wanted
to get the thoughts from other builders before I do.
Thanks,
Jamie
do not archive
--
Jamie D. Painter
RV-7A wings N622JP (reserved)
http://rv.jpainter.org
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| Subject: | Re: corrosion removal on wheels |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Hi Charlie,
Brushing with a stainless steel brush is allowed.
Properly done with the right medium, blasting is good.
Clean well, etch, Alodine and paint.
Jijm in Kelowna
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Heathco" <cheathco@comcast.net>
Subject: RV-List: corrosion removal on wheels
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Heathco" <cheathco@comcast.net>
>
> Anybody got a quick and easy method for removing those powdery looking
> spots on my Matco wheels? I know brushing with steel brush is a no no.
> charlie heathco
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rivet Cutting |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kboatright1@comcast.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Van" <rv7ator@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Rivet Cutting
> --> RV-List message posted by: Ed Van <rv7ator@yahoo.com>
>
> What's wrong with just grinding/belt sanding rivets to
> the correct length if you seldom have to do it?
>
A pair of $5.00 side cutters does an OK job if you don't want to spring for
the special rivet cutting tool.
KB
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| Subject: | Any chemists out there? RE: Alodine |
--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Scott <rscott@cascadeaccess.com>
Alodine 1201 contains chromic acid, hydroflouric acid and potassium
ferricyanide, less than 1% of each according to the MSDS.
Do any or all of these chemicals break down readily into something harmless
in soil? Or am I going to create a federally listed hazardous waste site
by rinsing my parts off outside?
Richard Scott
9A Wings
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Emrath" <emrath@comcast.net>
Jeff,
Can you explain how one is to do this? I'm not sure I follow.
Marty in Brentwood TN
Time: 11:40:12 PM PST US
From: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Wooden gear-leg stiffeners
--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
I started with no stiffeners, and had some shimmy. I added the
stiffeners during the test-flight period, and that helped a little, but
I still got occasional shimmy, especially during winter (icy runways).
Recently I got around to balancing the wheel pants, as I had read
about. A local old-timer has been bugging me to do this for some time
and swears by it. Well, I did it and now I'm a believer. No shimmy at
all since balancing them.
I would start with nothing and fly it. If it shimmies, try adding one
or the other (i'd start with balancing the pants) and if required do
both. The wood stiffeners are not particularly hard to do, and
balancing the pants is a snap. One of these days I'll get around to
writing up a "how-to" for my website.
Jeff Point
RV-6
Milwaukee WI
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| Subject: | RE: RV-List Digest 03/27/05 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" <dean.psiropoulos@verizon.net>
Speaking of NACA ducts......
Since they are some sort of plastic (at least the ones I got with Van's vent
kit are) that brings up the issue of painting. Obviously one cannot shoot
directly on the plastic or the vents will melt, right? So...what does one
do with the exposed plastic of these vents before painting? Spray them with
some kind of primer that doesn't contain nasty, plastic melting solvents?
What primer would that be? BTW, I drilled some holes and dimpled for #6
screws then put nutplates on my vents, should make install easy and
removable if necessary (doubt it unless they get hit with some hard object).
Thanks.
Dean Psiropoulos
RV-6A N197DM
Wiring and finish work
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Time: 11:27:30 AM PST US
From: Matt Jurotich <mjurotich@hst.nasa.gov>
Subject: RV-List: NACA Ducts and RTV
--> RV-List message posted by: Matt Jurotich <mjurotich@hst.nasa.gov>
Has anyone "glued" the NACA ducts (for the cockpit air vents) on a 6A....
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| Subject: | Re: NACA Ducts and RTV |
--> RV-List message posted by: sarg314 <sarg314@comcast.net>
I used RTV carefully placed so that none of it squeezed out where it can
be seen (or painted). I also put 4 rivets in the thing, so I don't
think it's coming loose.
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Tom Sargent, RV-6A, engine
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| Subject: | NACA Ducts and RTV |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Perkinson" <bobperk@bellsouth.net>
I am interested in the pictures.
Bob Perkinson
Hendersonville, TN.
RV9A N658RP Reserved
If nothing changes
Nothing changes
bobperk@bellsouth.net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]
Subject: RE: RV-List: NACA Ducts and RTV
--> RV-List message posted by:
You might want to consider RTVing a SS screen on the face of the NACA, drill
holes, dimple-countersink and put dimpled nutplates (K1100-8) on a backing
strip so that the duct be removable for cleaning. That's what I did - my
ducts have a screen to block off creatures from entering the plane and are
screwed on. If any one wants pictures, be glad to send them off line.
Michle
Wings RV8
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> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James H Nelson
> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 1:10 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: NACA Ducts and RTV
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: James H Nelson <rv9jim@juno.com>
>
> Matt,
> Use pro seal from the fuel tanks. It will never let go and its
> PAINTABLE unlike silicone
>
> Jim
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Perkinson" <bobperk@bellsouth.net>
I use a pair of needle nose pliers and the bench belt sander. Works great,
but be careful when you are finished and don't grab it out of the pliers
immediately.
Bob Perkinson
Hendersonville, TN.
RV9A N658RP Reserved
If nothing changes
Nothing changes
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of mlwynn@aol.com
Subject: RV-List: Rivet Cutting
--> RV-List message posted by: mlwynn@aol.com
Hi folks,
I bought an inexpensive rivet cutter from Avery (I think). The first time I
tried to use it, it bit me (sharp edges on cheap stamped parts). I have
some hand arthritis and really had trouble cutting the rivet at all. Is
there a better alternative? Something with more mechanical advantage? What
do you all use?
Regards,
Michael Wynn
RV8 Empennage
San Ramon, CA
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