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1. 01:41 AM - Re: Riveting HS 707 to HS PP801 (Scott Farner)
2. 02:41 AM - Re: Riveting HS 707 to HS PP801 (Jim Jewell)
3. 03:49 AM - Handheld to headset cell phone interface jack (Chris Brooks)
4. 03:49 AM - RV6a for sale (Paul Lein)
5. 04:38 AM - Tailwind-List: Wally's return (Walter Critchlow)
6. 05:11 AM - Tailwind-List: Wally's return (Walter Critchlow)
7. 05:57 AM - Tailwind-List: Wally's return (Walter Critchlow)
8. 07:39 AM - Tailwind-List: Wally's return (Walter Critchlow)
9. 09:22 AM - Tailwind-List: Wally's return (Walter Critchlow)
10. 09:43 AM - Tailwind-List: Wally's return (Walter Critchlow)
11. 11:44 AM - Tailwind-List: Wally's return (Walter Critchlow)
12. 01:35 PM - Tailwind-List: Wally's return (Walter Critchlow)
13. 05:34 PM - Wally Messages Stopped! (Matt Dralle)
14. 06:07 PM - Re: I Like my P-Mags (early report) (HCRV6@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Riveting HS 707 to HS PP801 |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Farner <sfarner@gmail.com>
Michael,
It's probably not a good idea to back rivet the HS and VS - the
curvature can cause problems making rivets sitting flat. As for body
position, I had the gun in my right hand, bucking bar in left (the way
to go if you're right handed). I hate to use the term, but I was
shooting blind. That is, I could check that the bucking bar was on the
rivet by reaching my hand inside the HS and pushing up on the rivet.
Then I would get the gun with a flush set on the rivet and hammer
away. So to sum up body position, my left hand is reaching inside the
HS, and my right hand is on top with the gun. It's a little awkward at
first, but you'll get used to it. For HS-707, yes, I only clecoed on
the top side for the first time. However, you can use the gun to push
down on the rib so that it is up against the other side of the skin -
this gives more support for riveting.
It does get a little narrow once you have one side done, but I have
really fat hands and was able to get it done. You might not be able to
get your fingers on the bucking bar directly under the rivet for
support, but because they are 3- rivets, it doesn't take too much
force from the bucking bar, so holding the bar at the opposite end
shouldn't be too much of a problem. Also, you might only be able to
get a small corner of the bucking bar on the rivet in some cases. This
was the case for some of mine like in rib corners or near the leading
edge (a few of which did have to be drilled out;)
Scott
On Apr 9, 2005 8:08 PM, MLWynn@aol.com <MLWynn@aol.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: MLWynn@aol.com
>
> Hi scott
>
> Perhaps I mis-stated that. I am using the standard rivets but was trying to
> back rivet, not blind rivet. Sorry for the confusion. I was just thinking
> that because you rivet from the back without looking.
>
> Anyway, I got good results back riveting on my practice piece, but there was
> a lot more room to maneuver.
>
> So when you were riveting, you had the HS on your bench flat. The rivet gun
> in one hand (right hand?), bucking bar in the other. Were you working from
> the top down? By that I mean, HS 707 clecoed to the skin, kind of dangling in
> the air and then coming in from the side with your bucking bar? I am having
> trouble visualizing the body position. When you get ready to do the opposite
> side, the trick is then to get your hand all the way in the narrow spot, yes?
>
> Thanks for taking the time to respond.
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael Wynn
> RV-8, Empennage
> San Ramon, California
>
>
>
--
Scott
www.scottfarner.com
RV-7 Wings
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| Subject: | Re: Riveting HS 707 to HS PP801 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Hello Michael,
You might try looking around the shop for a smaller and or thinner steel
object that can be used as is made into light weight bar.
I went to a local steel fabrication shop and asked for some small scraps.
They led me to a bin at the end of their shear and invited me to fill my
boots so to speak. I hack sawed, and then polished them on my 30' delta belt
sander. I made several
custom bars this way.
A smaller lighter bar still works well on the 3/32" flush rivets that are
called out for what you describe. Use duct tape to cover the non polished
parts to get a better grip and reduce scratches.
Keep on making enough noise and you'll have an aircraft in no time.(;-)
Jim in Kelowna
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Farner" <sfarner@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Riveting HS 707 to HS PP801
> --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Farner <sfarner@gmail.com>
>
> Michael,
>
> It's probably not a good idea to back rivet the HS and VS - the
> curvature can cause problems making rivets sitting flat. As for body
> position, I had the gun in my right hand, bucking bar in left (the way
> to go if you're right handed). I hate to use the term, but I was
> shooting blind. That is, I could check that the bucking bar was on the
> rivet by reaching my hand inside the HS and pushing up on the rivet.
> Then I would get the gun with a flush set on the rivet and hammer
> away. So to sum up body position, my left hand is reaching inside the
> HS, and my right hand is on top with the gun. It's a little awkward at
> first, but you'll get used to it. For HS-707, yes, I only clecoed on
> the top side for the first time. However, you can use the gun to push
> down on the rib so that it is up against the other side of the skin -
> this gives more support for riveting.
>
> It does get a little narrow once you have one side done, but I have
> really fat hands and was able to get it done. You might not be able to
> get your fingers on the bucking bar directly under the rivet for
> support, but because they are 3- rivets, it doesn't take too much
> force from the bucking bar, so holding the bar at the opposite end
> shouldn't be too much of a problem. Also, you might only be able to
> get a small corner of the bucking bar on the rivet in some cases. This
> was the case for some of mine like in rib corners or near the leading
> edge (a few of which did have to be drilled out;)
>
> Scott
>
> On Apr 9, 2005 8:08 PM, MLWynn@aol.com <MLWynn@aol.com> wrote:
>> --> RV-List message posted by: MLWynn@aol.com
>>
>> Hi scott
>>
>> Perhaps I mis-stated that. I am using the standard rivets but was trying
>> to
>> back rivet, not blind rivet. Sorry for the confusion. I was just
>> thinking
>> that because you rivet from the back without looking.
>>
>> Anyway, I got good results back riveting on my practice piece, but there
>> was
>> a lot more room to maneuver.
>>
>> So when you were riveting, you had the HS on your bench flat. The rivet
>> gun
>> in one hand (right hand?), bucking bar in the other. Were you working
>> from
>> the top down? By that I mean, HS 707 clecoed to the skin, kind of
>> dangling in
>> the air and then coming in from the side with your bucking bar? I am
>> having
>> trouble visualizing the body position. When you get ready to do the
>> opposite
>> side, the trick is then to get your hand all the way in the narrow spot,
>> yes?
>>
>> Thanks for taking the time to respond.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Michael Wynn
>> RV-8, Empennage
>> San Ramon, California
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Scott
>
> www.scottfarner.com
> RV-7 Wings
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Handheld to headset cell phone interface jack |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Chris Brooks" <brooksrv6@hotmail.com>
I have a Lightspeed headset with a Cell phone interface jack that I would
like to wire to the Speaker/mic jack on my VXA150 handheld radio. I could
then occasionally use my back-up radio as a second Comm, without an audio
panel and monitor 2 frequencies at once. Anyone know of any reason why this
wouldn't work? DNA
Chris Brooks
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--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Lein <pj115@journey.com>
Now that spring is here I am listing my flying RV6a for sale. $70,000.
Spec sheet and photos from Paul at 989 644-2451 or pjlein@journey.com
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| Subject: | Tailwind-List: Wally's return |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Walter Critchlow" <wjc1@sprint.ca>
Interested parties .. I'm back.
The south will never be the same
W.C.
C/FRDF
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| Subject: | Tailwind-List: Wally's return |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Walter Critchlow" <wjc1@sprint.ca>
Interested parties .. I'm back.
The south will never be the same
W.C.
C/FRDF
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| Subject: | Tailwind-List: Wally's return |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Walter Critchlow" <wjc1@sprint.ca>
Interested parties .. I'm back.
The south will never be the same
W.C.
C/FRDF
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| Subject: | Tailwind-List: Wally's return |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Walter Critchlow" <wjc1@sprint.ca>
Interested parties .. I'm back.
The south will never be the same
W.C.
C/FRDF
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| Subject: | Tailwind-List: Wally's return |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Walter Critchlow" <wjc1@sprint.ca>
Interested parties .. I'm back.
The south will never be the same
W.C.
C/FRDF
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| Subject: | Tailwind-List: Wally's return |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Walter Critchlow" <wjc1@sprint.ca>
Interested parties .. I'm back.
The south will never be the same
W.C.
C/FRDF
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| Subject: | Tailwind-List: Wally's return |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Walter Critchlow" <wjc1@sprint.ca>
Interested parties .. I'm back.
The south will never be the same
W.C.
C/FRDF
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| Subject: | Tailwind-List: Wally's return |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Walter Critchlow" <wjc1@sprint.ca>
Interested parties .. I'm back.
The south will never be the same
W.C.
C/FRDF
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| Subject: | Wally Messages Stopped! |
--> RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
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| Subject: | Re: I Like my P-Mags (early report) |
--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
In a message dated 4/8/05 3:47:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Vanremog@aol.com
writes:
> <<I will be putting more time on the plane this weekend and will provide
> any
> additional info as I get it.>>
So GV, we eagerly await your update. Oh yeah, congratulations on a cool save.
Do not archive
Harry Crosby
RV-6, 60 hours
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