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1. 03:24 AM - Re: IO-360 oilcooler (Dean Pichon)
2. 05:24 AM - Re: Aerosport Engines and Shipping/Tax issues (Bob C.)
3. 05:38 AM - Re: Flight Planning (DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com)
4. 05:50 AM - Re: Aerosport Engines and Shipping/Tax issues (Steve Glasgow)
5. 06:26 AM - Re: Static System Connections (Charlie Kuss)
6. 06:36 AM - Re: Re:Landshorter Vortex generators (WFACT01@aol.com)
7. 07:14 AM - Re: Flight Planning (Christopher Stone)
8. 07:49 AM - Re: Aerosport Engines and Shipping/Tax issues (Pat Hatch)
9. 08:12 AM - EAA Airventure Cup Race (SCOTT SPENCER)
10. 08:16 AM - Re: RV-7 N3XG Flys High (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
11. 08:37 AM - Re: IO-360 oilcooler (Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club)
12. 08:41 AM - Re: Aerosport Engines and Shipping/Tax issues (Paul Besing)
13. 09:33 AM - Re: Aerosport Engines and Shipping/Tax issues (Bruce Gray)
14. 09:43 AM - PARKER FAST&TITE tube connectors (Jack Blomgren)
15. 09:50 AM - Re: EAA Airventure Cup Race (Tracy Crook)
16. 09:50 AM - Re: confused about taxes (Moore, Warren)
17. 10:48 AM - Re: PARKER FAST&TITE tube connectors (Jim Jewell)
18. 10:48 AM - (no subject) (rv6fly)
19. 10:52 AM - Re: EAA Airventure Cup Race (John Huft)
20. 11:15 AM - Re: EAA Airventure Cup Race (Alan Kritzman)
21. 11:23 AM - Re:Landshorter Vortex generators ()
22. 11:45 AM - Re: PARKER FAST&TITE tube connectors (Richard Tasker)
23. 02:26 PM - Re: Re:Landshorter Vortex generators (Skylor Piper)
24. 02:59 PM - Re: Aerosport Engines and Shipping/Tax issues (Paul Besing)
25. 04:02 PM - touch screen pdas in rough air? (Jim Jewell)
26. 04:08 PM - X-COM Radio and Microair Repair (Ted Lumpkin)
27. 05:19 PM - Re: X-COM Radio and Microair Repair (Stein Bruch)
28. 05:58 PM - Re: Static System Connections (Jerry Springer)
29. 07:17 PM - Re: Static System Connections (Stein Bruch)
30. 07:43 PM - Re: Flight Planning (Rene)
31. 07:50 PM - Re: touch screen pdas in rough air? (linn walters)
32. 09:29 PM - Re: Static System Connections (JOHN STARN)
33. 09:29 PM - Impressions after flying the RV10 (James E. Clark)
34. 09:51 PM - Re: touch screen pdas in rough air? (Tracy Crook)
35. 10:07 PM - Re: X-COM Radio and Microair Repair (Todd Bartrim)
36. 10:12 PM - Re: Static System Connections (Jerry Springer)
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| Subject: | IO-360 oilcooler |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dean Pichon" <deanpichon@msn.com>
I can offer only anecdotal data for one Positech oil cooler. I purchased
the Positech cooler recommended by Van's for use with a 180 HP engine. It
cools and doesn't leak - at least not yet in almost 5 years of flying. I
have read numerous posts in the past about "older" Positech coolers not
providing sufficient cooling. In my -4, and most -4's I believe, running
too cool is more likely to be an issue than not cool enough.
----Original Message Follows----
From: gert <gert.v@sbcglobal.net>
<rv-list@matronics.com>
Subject: RV-List: IO-360 oilcooler
--> RV-List message posted by: gert <gert.v@sbcglobal.net>
Hi gang
I am about to order a bunch of FWF parts from Van's, amongst them an oil
cooler.
Van's has 2 oilcoolers the Steward Warner and the Positech for the IO-360.
any pro/cons/indifferences to either??
I searched the archives but it seems the results are ambigiuos, any
results for the updated Positech??
Thanks
Gert
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| Subject: | Re: Aerosport Engines and Shipping/Tax issues |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob C. " <flyboy.bob@gmail.com>
Tim,
I have nothing against AeroSport, but, if you haven't already, take a
look at Mattituck http://www.mattituck.com/ I am not running yet, but
am impressed with their product and service and I believe they have
very competitive prices.
Regards,
Bob Christensen
RV-8 - N678RC
On 4/16/05, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have been trying to figure out where to buy my engine, and I want to
> buy it soon. I've talked to a couple of domestic engine shops, and
> AeroSport Power in Canada. I've heard they have a good reputation,
> which is my main motivator for them.
>
> My questions are: I'm in Wisconsin and I had another engine company
> tell me that if I order from AeroSport I might face some odd tax
> consequences as customs or someone makes Aerosport report to your
> state the cost of the engine or something like that. I'm not sure
> this is really relevant though, because I'm thinking that in Wisconsin
> I need to pay sales tax on the plane when I register it anyway...this
> would just be paying tax early I'd assume. Can anyone who's purchased
> one from them, or knows what the deal is enlighten me?
>
> Another question is, do pretty much all engine companies re-use the
> cams and gears? I was thinking that Aerosport said they reuse the
> crank and case, but most companies give me the impression that those
> are the only parts re-used....but, when you push harder and dig
> deeper, they seem to start to indicate that they regrind cams if
> within limits, reuse gears, and some other things. I'd like to
> go as new as possible.
>
> Regarding fuel injection systems: AeroSport lists their IO's with
> "new fuel injection system". Then I talked to another place and
> they rebuild the existing bendix system. What's the best route
> here? Does Aerosport use precision fuel injection systems that
> would be much better?
>
> My last question is, the last engine place I talked to looked at me
> like I was crazy when I asked if they use roller lifters on their
> engines or if they can. They said that in all 20+ years they haven't
> done that. I was under the impression that there are new roller
> lifters out recently, and that these things are great for reducing
> wear. What's the deal?
>
> Thanks for any help you guys can offer. I'm hoping to start to rope
> in my engine soon.
>
> Tim
> --
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flight Planning |
--> RV-List message posted by: DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com
_www.fltplan.com_ (http://www.fltplan.com) is the one I use for fun and
corporate. Free and lots of info.
Regards,
Doug Preston
RV7 N731RV
C501 N577JT
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| Subject: | Re: Aerosport Engines and Shipping/Tax issues |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
As far as I know there is no Customs Fee.
Steve Glasgow
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| Subject: | Re: Static System Connections |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
I'm with David,
I purchased the Vans static kit and installed it. By heating the 1/4"
plastic tubing in boiling water, with effort, I was able to get the plastic
tubing on the Tee fitting. Four days later, that cheap (import stuff, NOT
real Imperial Eastman Nyloflow) tubing split. I ripped it all out. I
replaced it with genuine Nyloflow tubing and fittings similar to what David
describes. I purchased the tubing and fittings from ACS.
I've also gotten the "you are the only one who has ever complained"
routine from Vans. Each time, it was in reference to a problem which was
widely reported on the RV List. I've found that Van's Dutch genes
occasionally do us a dis-service. The static kit and capacitance fuel
sender kit are two examples of this. I'm not a disgruntled customer. On the
whole, the RV kits are still the best "bang for the buck", in my opinion.
You just have to side step the occasional "pot hole" in the road. :-)
Charlie Kuss
>--> RV-List message posted by: "David Carter" <dcarter@datarecall.net>
>
>This Van's "method" has to be the most ignorant thing about the entire kit -
>totally unacceptable to do it their way. I went to a local "fittings" shop
>(brass & plastic) and bought standard, cheap Ts with the screw on caps that
>you just stick the tubing into and then tighten the caps. Totally
>professional, totally secure, totally better than forcing the one size
>tubing onto the smaller (but not small enough) tubing and then having the
>ends split by a week later. They claim "they never heard of that one
>before". Yeah, sure, I'm the ONLY ONE who had the tubing split.
>
>David
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jack" <jgh2@charter.net>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: Static System Connections
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Jack <jgh2@charter.net>
> >
> > Is there an easy way to insert the recommended 3/16" plastic tube
> > fittings into the 1/4" OD plastic static lines. Hot water helps but
> > its still very difficult to get the tubing on all the way.
> >
> > Jack H.
> > 6A - finishing kit
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re:Landshorter Vortex generators |
--> RV-List message posted by: WFACT01@aol.com
HI-PUT THEM ON TO TRY WITH DOUBLE SIDED TAPE-IT COMES OFF-TOM
Tom Whelan
Whelan Farms Airport
President EAA Chapter 1097
wfact01@aol.com
249 Hard Hill Road North
PO Box 426
Bethlehem, CT 06751
Tel: 203-266-5300
Fax: 202-266-5140
EAA Technical/Flight Advisor
RV-8 540 LYC (40 PLUS HOURS)
S-51 Mustang Turbine (Under Construction)
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| Subject: | Re: Flight Planning |
--> RV-List message posted by: Christopher Stone <rv8iator@earthlink.net>
Austin...
If you belong to AOPA they have the Jeppesen Flight Planner available on their
website. It's free, interfaces with DUATS for weather and filing, and displays
nexrad weather graphics overlaid on the chart.
Chris Stone
Newberg, OR
--> RV-List message posted by: "lyle" <lyleedda@telus.net>
Hi Listers,
Anybody know of a program for flight plans that can run on
Windows XP ?
Is there such a thing out there which is downloadable ? , or is there
a product to purchase ?
Thanks,
Austin T.
Vancouver
do not archive
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| Subject: | Aerosport Engines and Shipping/Tax issues |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" <pat_hatch@msn.com>
Tim,
I have bought two engines from Bart and paid no customs fees, just shipping
to Florida.
Pat Hatch
RV-6
RV-7
--> RV-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Thanks everyone, so far, for the replies to my question about engines
from AeroSport. It does sound like they have a good reputation.
I am a bit confused though, especially after Darwin's post here.
As far as taxes, I'm not worried about that. I know that either
way I'll be paying the use tax on the plane when I go to register
it, so the State of Wisconsin will get their tax one way or the
other.
I see that some said shipping was less to have it shipped from
Aerosport than similar packages shipped from closer and within
the US. I'll have to check this out.
I see that some said they had small "brokerage fees". No big
deal, since it sounds like they were small.
The big confusion though is this $1500 "Customs Fee" that
Darwin mentions....what's that all about? Was that actually
a fee for going through customs? I didn't think there were
any fees other than shipping and brokerage (other than tax).
So now I'm happy that the engines would be pretty good, but
these additional fees are still making me apprehensive. I've got
a US supplier that can supply the same engine with ECI Titan
cylinders, for probably $2000 less money. The 2 catches are
that A) The original cores come from Africa and from turbocharged
planes (ss-s-s-scary), and B) They talk of roller lifters like
they are something voodoo. I thought that roller lifters were
not only a good idea, but something that was now a good and
recent product that could help my engine's longevity.
Thanks again guys, I'm getting closer.
Tim - RV-10 #170
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| Subject: | EAA Airventure Cup Race |
--> RV-List message posted by: SCOTT SPENCER <aerokinetic@sbcglobal.net>
For ANYONE who might be interested in racing in the EAA Airventure Cup Race this
year...
Please come race with us!
We would love to have more planes in the field. If we get a good turnout then mabye
EAA will notice, and will work to keep it going.
The past two years I've done this race have resulted in some of the most fun experiences
I've had flying. It's truly a good time! Come race! Join the fun!
This is a really safe form of racing. Just like a fast cross-country flight with
a lot of other planes. The planes are spaced on start and passing is at a minimum.
Basically a race against the clock. Did I say it was fun? Best way I've
found to get to OSH!
Check out: http://www.airventure.org/2005/news/050225_avcup.html
Following is a copy of correspondance between myself and the Race Director...
-----Original Message-----
From: SCOTT SPENCER [mailto:aerokinetic@sbcglobal.net]
Subject: AvCup '05
Hi Eric!
Don't know if you're still the man in charge of the race or not... but it had
occurred to me that I hadn't recieved any email correspondance regarding the race
this year... -then I thought 'Oh well, yeah, I have a new email address now...
I guess that figures' (Doh!)
So my email did change, but I'm planning on racing... and I may drag a few friends
along for their first race too. My registration package will be headed to
EAA in the near future.
Hope all's well w/ you
Scott Spencer
Race 74
RV-4-150
Hi Scott,
Yes I have been roped into doing the race again. Actually you have not missed any
e-mails since the race is sort of a mess at this point. It was canceled and
now it is back on. But we got such a late start from the indecision that went
on that we have been scrambling to get caught up. Glad you are going to be back.
Bring as many as you can get signed up. It should be about the same deal
as last year. The USAF Museum is still up in the air, we are working on that but
there are some complications due to the late timing. I will keep you posted.
Other than that it should be about the same set up as in the past. I think we have
a new Hotel this year. (The Holiday Inn is booked) The course will again be
MGY SQI RFD FLD. The finish line will be at that little private strip where
it was last year. The tower liked the mass arrival so that looks like the plan
for this year as well.
Talk to you later..
Eric
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| Subject: | Re: RV-7 N3XG Flys High |
--> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
In a message dated 4/17/05 8:26:53 PM Central Daylight Time,
lhelming@sigecom.net writes:
> Pie ChartsToday another new RV-7 left the earthly bound of gravity for the
> first time.
Way to go Larry! Time to do some sol-searching! 8-)
BIG congratulations-
Mark Phillips - do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: IO-360 oilcooler |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" <sisson@consolidated.net>
Dean Pichon wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dean Pichon" <deanpichon@msn.com>
>
>I can offer only anecdotal data for one Positech oil cooler. I purchased
>the Positech cooler recommended by Van's for use with a 180 HP engine. It
>cools and doesn't leak - at least not yet in almost 5 years of flying. I
>have read numerous posts in the past about "older" Positech coolers not
>providing sufficient cooling. In my -4, and most -4's I believe, running
>too cool is more likely to be an issue than not cool enough.
>
>
>
>
I too, find my engine runs on the cool side. Yesterday on the way back
from Sun and Fun. I was less than 180 deg. all the way home. On the
ground taxiing in to the hangar, it rose to near 200. Ground temp was in
the low 80's.
I am using a Stewart Warner about the same size as the positech.
I also have the new Positech that was exchanged for an earlier one. It
is up in the cabinets. Workmanship on it looks as good or better than
the SW...... I would not be too concerned about using the newer
exchanged unit...
Phil
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| Subject: | Aerosport Engines and Shipping/Tax issues |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <paul@kitlog.com>
He must have quit charging the brokerage fee. It wasn't much, maybe $100 or
so. It was to pay the people who do that tariff paperwork, clearing
customs, etc. FWIW, Arizona didn't ask me to pay tax on the engine. They
never knew I bought it.
Paul Besing
RV-6A Sold
Kitlog Builder's Software
www.kitlog.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Pat Hatch
Subject: RE: RV-List: Aerosport Engines and Shipping/Tax issues
--> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" <pat_hatch@msn.com>
Tim,
I have bought two engines from Bart and paid no customs fees, just shipping
to Florida.
Pat Hatch
RV-6
RV-7
--> RV-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Thanks everyone, so far, for the replies to my question about engines
from AeroSport. It does sound like they have a good reputation.
I am a bit confused though, especially after Darwin's post here.
As far as taxes, I'm not worried about that. I know that either
way I'll be paying the use tax on the plane when I go to register
it, so the State of Wisconsin will get their tax one way or the
other.
I see that some said shipping was less to have it shipped from
Aerosport than similar packages shipped from closer and within
the US. I'll have to check this out.
I see that some said they had small "brokerage fees". No big
deal, since it sounds like they were small.
The big confusion though is this $1500 "Customs Fee" that
Darwin mentions....what's that all about? Was that actually
a fee for going through customs? I didn't think there were
any fees other than shipping and brokerage (other than tax).
So now I'm happy that the engines would be pretty good, but
these additional fees are still making me apprehensive. I've got
a US supplier that can supply the same engine with ECI Titan
cylinders, for probably $2000 less money. The 2 catches are
that A) The original cores come from Africa and from turbocharged
planes (ss-s-s-scary), and B) They talk of roller lifters like
they are something voodoo. I thought that roller lifters were
not only a good idea, but something that was now a good and
recent product that could help my engine's longevity.
Thanks again guys, I'm getting closer.
Tim - RV-10 #170
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| Subject: | Aerosport Engines and Shipping/Tax issues |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
Just wait until you register the airplane.....
Bruce
www.glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Besing
Subject: RE: RV-List: Aerosport Engines and Shipping/Tax issues
--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <paul@kitlog.com>
He must have quit charging the brokerage fee. It wasn't much, maybe
$100 or
so. It was to pay the people who do that tariff paperwork, clearing
customs, etc. FWIW, Arizona didn't ask me to pay tax on the engine.
They
never knew I bought it.
Paul Besing
RV-6A Sold
Kitlog Builder's Software
www.kitlog.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Pat Hatch
Subject: RE: RV-List: Aerosport Engines and Shipping/Tax issues
--> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" <pat_hatch@msn.com>
Tim,
I have bought two engines from Bart and paid no customs fees, just
shipping
to Florida.
Pat Hatch
RV-6
RV-7
--> RV-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Thanks everyone, so far, for the replies to my question about engines
from AeroSport. It does sound like they have a good reputation.
I am a bit confused though, especially after Darwin's post here.
As far as taxes, I'm not worried about that. I know that either
way I'll be paying the use tax on the plane when I go to register
it, so the State of Wisconsin will get their tax one way or the
other.
I see that some said shipping was less to have it shipped from
Aerosport than similar packages shipped from closer and within
the US. I'll have to check this out.
I see that some said they had small "brokerage fees". No big
deal, since it sounds like they were small.
The big confusion though is this $1500 "Customs Fee" that
Darwin mentions....what's that all about? Was that actually
a fee for going through customs? I didn't think there were
any fees other than shipping and brokerage (other than tax).
So now I'm happy that the engines would be pretty good, but
these additional fees are still making me apprehensive. I've got
a US supplier that can supply the same engine with ECI Titan
cylinders, for probably $2000 less money. The 2 catches are
that A) The original cores come from Africa and from turbocharged
planes (ss-s-s-scary), and B) They talk of roller lifters like
they are something voodoo. I thought that roller lifters were
not only a good idea, but something that was now a good and
recent product that could help my engine's longevity.
Thanks again guys, I'm getting closer.
Tim - RV-10 #170
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| Subject: | PARKER FAST&TITE tube connectors |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jack Blomgren" <jackanet@hotmail.com>
Builders,
Anyone using, and have good 2 to 5 quantity cost source for PARKER FAST&TITE
connectors for use with poly tubing and instruments. Parker brand comes with
the AOA, looks good, simple, uses O-ring.
Comments?
Jack
-8 wiring and plumbing
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Airventure Cup Race |
Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 12:46:00 -0400
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tracy Crook" <lors01@msn.com>
I'd love to enter that race but those insurance requirements look very stiff.
The $1,000,000 liability coverage is fine but the requirement for specific air
race coverage and the required clause for including race sponsors, EAA, etc on
the coverage is not going to be in ANYBODY's policy unless they specifically
request it.
Have any of you past racers gotten this and if so, how hard & expensive was it?
I would have assumed that the insurance company would answer me with a hearty
chuckle if I asked.
Tracy Crook (Totally pissed that Sun n Fun cancelled Sun 100 race)
For ANYONE who might be interested in racing in the EAA Airventure Cup Race this
year...
Please come race with us!
We would love to have more planes in the field. If we get a good turnout then mabye
EAA will notice, and will work to keep it going.
The past two years I've done this race have resulted in some of the most fun experiences
I've had flying. It's truly a good time! Come race! Join the fun!
This is a really safe form of racing. Just like a fast cross-country flight with
a lot of other planes. The planes are spaced on start and passing is at a minimum.
Basically a race against the clock. Did I say it was fun? Best way I've
found to get to OSH!
Check out: http://www.airventure.org/2005/news/050225_avcup.html<http://www.airventure.org/2005/news/050225_avcup.html>
Following is a copy of correspondance between myself and the Race Director...
-----Original Message-----
From: SCOTT SPENCER [mailto:aerokinetic@sbcglobal.net]
Subject: AvCup '05
Hi Eric!
Don't know if you're still the man in charge of the race or not... but it had
occurred to me that I hadn't recieved any email correspondance regarding the race
this year... -then I thought 'Oh well, yeah, I have a new email address now...
I guess that figures' (Doh!)
So my email did change, but I'm planning on racing... and I may drag a few friends
along for their first race too. My registration package will be headed to
EAA in the near future.
Hope all's well w/ you
Scott Spencer
Race 74
RV-4-150
Hi Scott,
Yes I have been roped into doing the race again. Actually you have not missed any
e-mails since the race is sort of a mess at this point. It was canceled and
now it is back on. But we got such a late start from the indecision that went
on that we have been scrambling to get caught up. Glad you are going to be back.
Bring as many as you can get signed up. It should be about the same deal
as last year. The USAF Museum is still up in the air, we are working on that but
there are some complications due to the late timing. I will keep you posted.
Other than that it should be about the same set up as in the past. I think we have
a new Hotel this year. (The Holiday Inn is booked) The course will again be
MGY SQI RFD FLD. The finish line will be at that little private strip where
it was last year. The tower liked the mass arrival so that looks like the plan
for this year as well.
Talk to you later..
Eric
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| Subject: | confused about taxes |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Moore, Warren" <Warren.Moore@TidelandsOil.com>
James, I live in Huntington Beach and just finished up my RV-4. My
understanding is that the Ca. State "use" tax is subsitute for sales
tax....California tried to collect sales tax on out of state purchases and
lost in Federal Court so they created the Use tax - a tax only on
Californian residents. About the 4th time Califonria has been smacked down
in Fed court for "over reaching".....What can you say, welcome to
California!
As a California resident you are supposed to remit the Use tax anytime you
buy something out of state that does not have a sales tax collected. For
small stuff almost no one pays it, but on boats and airplanes, etc as soon
as you register them the State will be after you. The FAA and California
share data bases, so when you are issued a N number, California will know
you have an airplane, and they will want to know how and when you got it.
Legally you should pay the Use tax as you buy each kit. Go to the their web
site; www.boe.ca.gov/sutax/usetaxreturn.htm and it will explain proceedures,
forms, and tax rate for your county. The BOE (Board of Equalization)
administers the Use Tax, the State Franchise Tax Board will be after you for
property taxes.
I think you should pay as you go; first that is legally how you should do
it, and secondly you will end up paying the tax anyway when you finish your
airplane and get your N number. If you wait until the end you could be in
for penalties and interest. You are not the first RV builder in the State!!
Also if you get your N number now, and the state tries to collect property
tax, like they do on all airplanes and boats each year, You can point out
that is just a kit in progress, and refer them to your Use tax forms.
Good luck........and you wonder why so many Californian's are moving to
Nevada and Oregon??
-----Original Message-----
From: James Ochs [mailto:jochs@froody.org]
Subject: RV-List: confused about taxes
--> RV-List message posted by: "James Ochs" <jochs@froody.org>
Hi all,
I am getting ready to order the -10 kit and trying to make heads or tails of
the California / Santa Clara County tax laws around aircraft, and
specifically homebuilts ;) Does anyone have any resources that they can
refer me to to get a plain English explanation of the rules?
i.e. since I'll be buying from a seller in Oregon, for California, do I pay
the sales tax for each component of the kit as I buy it? Do I just pay use
tax when I register it instead? Am I liable for property tax / use tax
every year on the thing?
Santa Clara county is going to be fun too.. apparently they have a tax that
was created in the 1800's to tax farmers allowing their animals to graze on
county land. They have managed to apply this tax to aircraft owners
hangaring their aircraft in the county by calling it a property tax on
exclusive use of public lands - even though your rental fee for the hanger
goes to the county / airport. Add this to what I have heard is a 1% annual
property tax and who knows what else, and maybe I'll just need to look for a
hangar / tie down (20 year waiting lists on hangars around here :P)
somewhere else!
Everything I can find on the tax agencies web site is written in such a way
as to be so vague that it actually doesn't say anything useful and is geared
toward the purchase of a built and flying aircraft. I can't imagine that it
is really that complicated to state what the taxes due are. I would think
an individual buying a kit out of state, building it, then registering it
should be a very simple case on the state level.
Man I hate tax law. It doesn't have to be this complicated! ;)
Thanks,
James
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| Subject: | Re: PARKER FAST&TITE tube connectors |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Here is another company that provides fittings etc. of the type reffered to.
That is if your local area supplier does not handle Parker.
http://www.smcusa.com/sections/products/fittings_tubings.asp
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Blomgren" <jackanet@hotmail.com>
Subject: RV-List: PARKER FAST&TITE tube connectors
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jack Blomgren" <jackanet@hotmail.com>
>
> Builders,
>
> Anyone using, and have good 2 to 5 quantity cost source for PARKER
> FAST&TITE
> connectors for use with poly tubing and instruments. Parker brand comes
> with
> the AOA, looks good, simple, uses O-ring.
> Comments?
>
> Jack
> -8 wiring and plumbing
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: rv6fly <rv6fly@bresnan.net>
I spent a pleasant, long week-end in Spearfish, SD helping a RV6A
quickbuild builder. It's been awhile but things came back to my "dusty"
brain and we made great progress, getting the wings mounted for the last
time. Next trip, engine installation. Larry's done a good job so far
and will have a nice airplane when done (unlike me who foolishly sold
mine in 1999.) On the long drive home, I got to thinking about all of
the great people I met and became friends with because of my involvement
in RV's and the RV-list. (My participation on the list was from 1995 to
2000 if I recall correctly. I joined after finishing my RV6. I sure
wish I would have found the list while I was building) I've always felt
the commaraderie aspect of the RV "movement" was something that builders
of other airplanes never had. ( I built one of the first Glasairs and
used to hang out with those builders at OSH and S&F. At that time,
anyway, they were an entirely different kind of folks than RVer's and it
wasn't a "good thing" as far as I was concerned.
Anyway, as I drove the 2 1/2 hours home I thought about various RVer's
I had met and Phil Arter of CO came to mind. There is a post from the
archive concerning the first time I met Phil, below.
I did a search on Phil when I got home and was sad to see that he'd
passed away. What a fine craftsman he was and a really humble, nice
guy. I got to thinking about all of the "talent" on the RV-list during
the time I was involved and there were quite a few RVers that had great
knowledge and were very helpful. I'm happy to see some of them still
hanging around to help newcomers on the list as they provide very
helpful information. I hope newcomers appreciate the folks who've built
and are flying yet still sticking around to help their fellow RVer's.
They are an invaluable resource which brings me to my next point. There
is a gold mine of great info in the archives. If you spend any time
reading posts from the past, you'll soon find out there is a wealth of
info. I hope new RVer's are spending time reading the archives.
"There's gold in them, there hills".
Bob Skinner
do not archive
* I enjoyed meeting several listers at the Longmont fly-in and seeing
several very nice RVs. Thanks, Ryan, for the great food and for bringing
fellow RVers together.
I see that John Stewart won (again) and this honor is well deserved. I'd
like it to be known that I was the first to recogonize John's genius:) I
saw his 6A when the fuselage was up side down in the jig and told him that
he'd better clear a place on his mantle for a trophy. He didn't believe me
at the time (but he does, now.) Thanks, John, for being considerate and
parking your RV far away from mine, once again.
Fellow RVer, RV8 builder Rod Woodard of Loveland, was kind enough to find
inside parking for my RV6 in one of the most fantastic hanger/shops I've
ever seen! Thanks, Jim, Russ & Walt. Two RV-8s and a RV-6 are being built
in this immaculate, super hanger. There is also a beautifully done Citabria
located inside. This hanger/shop should certainly displace one of the seven
wonders of the world.
We took off early from the fly in to find some coolness. Rod took me and
"Gillette Charlie" up the mountain to see Phil Arter's beautiful
shop/house/RV8 project. Phil's place is at 8,500 feet and has a beautiful
view of the snow capped mountains. The shop and house that Phil built
himself were truly worth the trip. Most of the pictures that Charlie took
were of Phil's shop and house and RV-8 project. Phil is doing as good of a
job of building as I've seen and I predict he'll need to do a little
dusting, too! Phil used to be on the list but haven't seen him for awhile.
All I can say is, this guy knows what he's doing and if he gets back on the
list, I'll certainly pay attention to what he's saying. I like a guy who
has a dis-assembled Lycoming on the wood floors in his living room.
One of the nicer planes that we saw was a six that belonged to Dan Barry
and was in a hanger. He just got signed off and was ready for his first
flight. He was very gracious and spent a lot of time visiting with Charlie
and I. We were especially interested in the sliding canopy and in his metal
strip molding for his windcreen. He did a great job of fitting these and I
think the metal windscreen fairling looks better than fiberglass.
Bob Skinner RV-6 415 hrs. Buffalo, WY
****************************************
*
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Airventure Cup Race |
--> RV-List message posted by: John Huft <rv8@lazy8.net>
Amen about the sun 100 !!!
Last year, I called my insurance agent, and then faxed them a copy of
EAAs requirements (which certainly do sound onorus). It took two tries
but they finally issued a statement covering all the conditions to EAAs
satisfaction, for no extra charge. It sure would be worth a try. I will
be trying it again this year myself.
John Huft RV8 "Nuisance"
Race 13
Tracy Crook wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Tracy Crook" <lors01@msn.com>
>
>I'd love to enter that race but those insurance requirements look very stiff.
The $1,000,000 liability coverage is fine but the requirement for specific air
race coverage and the required clause for including race sponsors, EAA, etc
on the coverage is not going to be in ANYBODY's policy unless they specifically
request it.
>
>Have any of you past racers gotten this and if so, how hard & expensive was it?
I would have assumed that the insurance company would answer me with a hearty
chuckle if I asked.
>
>Tracy Crook (Totally pissed that Sun n Fun cancelled Sun 100 race)
>
>
>For ANYONE who might be interested in racing in the EAA Airventure Cup Race this
year...
>
>Please come race with us!
>
>We would love to have more planes in the field. If we get a good turnout then
mabye EAA will notice, and will work to keep it going.
>
>The past two years I've done this race have resulted in some of the most fun experiences
I've had flying. It's truly a good time! Come race! Join the fun!
>
>This is a really safe form of racing. Just like a fast cross-country flight with
a lot of other planes. The planes are spaced on start and passing is at a minimum.
Basically a race against the clock. Did I say it was fun? Best way I've
found to get to OSH!
>
>Check out: http://www.airventure.org/2005/news/050225_avcup.html<http://www.airventure.org/2005/news/050225_avcup.html>
>
>Following is a copy of correspondance between myself and the Race Director...
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: SCOTT SPENCER [mailto:aerokinetic@sbcglobal.net]
>To: ewhyte@wi.rr.com<mailto:ewhyte@wi.rr.com>
>Subject: AvCup '05
>
>
>Hi Eric!
>
>
>Don't know if you're still the man in charge of the race or not... but it had
occurred to me that I hadn't recieved any email correspondance regarding the
race this year... -then I thought 'Oh well, yeah, I have a new email address
now... I guess that figures' (Doh!)
>
>
>So my email did change, but I'm planning on racing... and I may drag a few friends
along for their first race too. My registration package will be headed to
EAA in the near future.
>
>
>Hope all's well w/ you
>
>
>Scott Spencer
>
>
>Race 74
>
>
>RV-4-150
>
>
>Hi Scott,
>
>
>Yes I have been roped into doing the race again. Actually you have not missed
any e-mails since the race is sort of a mess at this point. It was canceled and
now it is back on. But we got such a late start from the indecision that went
on that we have been scrambling to get caught up. Glad you are going to be
back. Bring as many as you can get signed up. It should be about the same deal
as last year. The USAF Museum is still up in the air, we are working on that
but there are some complications due to the late timing. I will keep you posted.
>
>Other than that it should be about the same set up as in the past. I think we
have a new Hotel this year. (The Holiday Inn is booked) The course will again
be MGY SQI RFD FLD. The finish line will be at that little private strip where
it was last year. The tower liked the mass arrival so that looks like the plan
for this year as well.
>
>
>Talk to you later..
>
>
>Eric
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Airventure Cup Race |
--> RV-List message posted by: Alan Kritzman <rv8_flyer@yahoo.com>
Tracy,
They have had this insurance requirment in the race rules for a number of years.
When I did the race in '03 it was just a call to the insurance broker who had
it add at no charge and faxed the letter to EAA. I would recomend that everyone
does a race like this at least once, it was a lot of fun.
Alan Kritzman
RV-8 N8EM
Tracy Crook <lors01@msn.com> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tracy Crook"
I'd love to enter that race but those insurance requirements look very stiff. The
$1,000,000 liability coverage is fine but the requirement for specific air
race coverage and the required clause for including race sponsors, EAA, etc on
the coverage is not going to be in ANYBODY's policy unless they specifically
request it.
Have any of you past racers gotten this and if so, how hard & expensive was it?
I would have assumed that the insurance company would answer me with a hearty
chuckle if I asked.
Tracy Crook (Totally pissed that Sun n Fun cancelled Sun 100 race)
---------------------------------
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| Subject: | Re:Landshorter Vortex generators |
--> RV-List message posted by: <gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com>
Just want to know the experience with VG's in general on RV's and some research
/ options. I have no association with any company but do know a few RV'ers who
have experimented with VG's.
Landshort:
http://www.landshorter.com/index.html
Is unique in that their VG's are triangular wedged shaped clear plastic, clear
LEXAN (tm), cost $99. I don't know of any on RV's. They make VG's for experimental
aircraft only.
Pacific NW Aero
http://www.pnwaero.com/
They use 6063 aluminum "T" extrusions, low profile about 1" long, cost is $349.
Many are flying on RV's. They offer VG's for several certified single and multi
engine aircraft.
Micro Aerodynamics
http://www.microaero.com/
They use 6063 aluminum extrusion of similar shape, cost is $395. Many are flying
on RV's. They have a kit specifically made for the RV. They also have extensive
list of kits for certified aircraft.
Terry Jantzi
http://www.ontariorvators.org/pitot/pitot.htm
Sold by Larry Vetterman, I think they are the same aluminum style VG as PacificNW
and MicroAero at similar cost. Visit Terry's link above and you can see flight
test data. Leave it to RV builders to provide real no BS data. The VG's lowered
Stall speed by 3.5-4.5 *MPH and lowered top speed about 3.5 *MPH on a RV-6.
(* Numbers originally reported in knots)
VG Facts:
First VG's do work, all will reduced stall speed, but also expect some top end
loss as well.
The benefit is in the order of 3-6 MPH, Loss at top end, 0-4 MPH.
My opinion is that RV's fly slow enough and I absolutely don't want any loss of
top speed, since I spend my time more at cruise than approach, so I am going
to pass on the VG's for now. However there are advantages of VG's besides shorter
approaches. If you like to Dog-fight you know that you keep turning inside
until someone runs out of speed, so the VG equip RV can turn tighter. Also, clean
break at stall and better aileron authority at slow speeds has been reported.
Like everything, no free lunch. Yes you gain lower stall speed, but at a
cost of time, money and a little top speed.
Cheers George
---------------------------------
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| Subject: | Re: PARKER FAST&TITE tube connectors |
--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Tasker <retasker@optonline.net>
You can also get fittings of this type (as well as a lot of other kinds)
at McMaster Carr (www.mcmaster.com).
Dick Tasker
Jim Jewell wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
>
>Here is another company that provides fittings etc. of the type reffered to.
>That is if your local area supplier does not handle Parker.
>
>http://www.smcusa.com/sections/products/fittings_tubings.asp
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jack Blomgren" <jackanet@hotmail.com>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: PARKER FAST&TITE tube connectors
>
>
>
>
>> <>--> RV-List message posted by: "Jack Blomgren" <jackanet@hotmail.com>
>>
>> Builders,
>>
>> Anyone using, and have good 2 to 5 quantity cost source for PARKER
>> FAST&TITE
>> connectors for use with poly tubing and instruments. Parker brand comes
>> with
>> the AOA, looks good, simple, uses O-ring.
>> Comments?
>>
>> Jack
>> -8 wiring and plumbing
>
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| Subject: | Re:Landshorter Vortex generators |
--> RV-List message posted by: Skylor Piper <skylor4@yahoo.com>
Another disadvantage of VG's is that they will require
maneuvering speed to be reduced, since they
effectively increase the lift available at any given
airspeed.
Skylor
RV-8QB
Under Construction
--- gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by:
> <gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com>
> VG Facts:
> First VG's do work, all will reduced stall speed,
> but also expect some top end loss as well.
> The benefit is in the order of 3-6 MPH, Loss at top
> end, 0-4 MPH.
>If you like to Dog-fight you know that you keep
> turning
> inside until someone runs out of speed, so the VG
> equip RV can turn tighter. Also, clean break at
> stall and better aileron authority at slow speeds
> has been reported. Like everything, no free lunch.
> Yes you gain lower stall speed, but at a cost of
> time, money and a little top speed.
>
> Cheers George
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
>
>
>
>
>
>
__________________________________
http://travel.yahoo.com/p-travelguide
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| Subject: | Aerosport Engines and Shipping/Tax issues |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <paul@kitlog.com>
True...When I registered it, there were tax issues on the entire plane, but
what I was referring to was my engine was not taxed individually.
Paul Besing
RV-6A Sold
Kitlog Builder's Software
www.kitlog.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bruce Gray
Subject: RE: RV-List: Aerosport Engines and Shipping/Tax issues
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
Just wait until you register the airplane.....
Bruce
www.glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Besing
Subject: RE: RV-List: Aerosport Engines and Shipping/Tax issues
--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <paul@kitlog.com>
He must have quit charging the brokerage fee. It wasn't much, maybe
$100 or
so. It was to pay the people who do that tariff paperwork, clearing
customs, etc. FWIW, Arizona didn't ask me to pay tax on the engine.
They
never knew I bought it.
Paul Besing
RV-6A Sold
Kitlog Builder's Software
www.kitlog.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Pat Hatch
Subject: RE: RV-List: Aerosport Engines and Shipping/Tax issues
--> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" <pat_hatch@msn.com>
Tim,
I have bought two engines from Bart and paid no customs fees, just
shipping
to Florida.
Pat Hatch
RV-6
RV-7
--> RV-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Thanks everyone, so far, for the replies to my question about engines
from AeroSport. It does sound like they have a good reputation.
I am a bit confused though, especially after Darwin's post here.
As far as taxes, I'm not worried about that. I know that either
way I'll be paying the use tax on the plane when I go to register
it, so the State of Wisconsin will get their tax one way or the
other.
I see that some said shipping was less to have it shipped from
Aerosport than similar packages shipped from closer and within
the US. I'll have to check this out.
I see that some said they had small "brokerage fees". No big
deal, since it sounds like they were small.
The big confusion though is this $1500 "Customs Fee" that
Darwin mentions....what's that all about? Was that actually
a fee for going through customs? I didn't think there were
any fees other than shipping and brokerage (other than tax).
So now I'm happy that the engines would be pretty good, but
these additional fees are still making me apprehensive. I've got
a US supplier that can supply the same engine with ECI Titan
cylinders, for probably $2000 less money. The 2 catches are
that A) The original cores come from Africa and from turbocharged
planes (ss-s-s-scary), and B) They talk of roller lifters like
they are something voodoo. I thought that roller lifters were
not only a good idea, but something that was now a good and
recent product that could help my engine's longevity.
Thanks again guys, I'm getting closer.
Tim - RV-10 #170
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| Subject: | touch screen pdas in rough air? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
A question for those that own and are using The iPAQ and other touch screen
type PDA's;
In a discussion recently I was told that the majority of touch screen PDA
GPS system users felt that they where very difficult to use effectively in
bumpy and or rough air flight conditions.
The person making the claims was adamant that this reason among unmentioned
others was the prime reason to avoid the PDA based GPS and flight systems.
I think it has been a while since this kind of question on this subject has
been asked.
I have not as yet chosen a path on this subject and hope to get some input
pro and con re- PDA based GPS and flight data versus the mainstream portable
GPS and fight data systems.
Jim in Kelowna
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| Subject: | X-COM Radio and Microair Repair |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ted Lumpkin <tlump51@sbcglobal.net>
My Microair VHF 760 radio has failed after only 27 hours of operation. I'm trying
to decide if I should try to have it repaired or replace it with the new
XCOM radio which has some nice additional features.
Does anyone know of a U.S. repair station for Microair radios? I've contacted
the factory, but haven't heard back from them. Phone calls to Australia are expensive
so I'm relying on e-mails.
Also, has anyone been able to get their hands on the XCOM radio? They seem to
be back ordered everywhere. Looking at the wiring diagram I should be able to
plug it in to my existing radio connector.
Thanks,
Ted
Sweet, sweet flying (but communication challenged) RV-4
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| Subject: | X-COM Radio and Microair Repair |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
I've had at close to a dozen X-Coms go through my hands in the past 2
months, so I personally know they are available. I normally try to keep at
least 3-4 of them on the shelf, but lately they've been selling quickly.
Only takes us about 3-4 days to get another batch from X-Com though! It is
indeed one of the nicest little radios I've seen.
Can't help you on the Microair, sorry.
Cheers,
Stein.
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ted Lumpkin
Subject: RV-List: X-COM Radio and Microair Repair
--> RV-List message posted by: Ted Lumpkin <tlump51@sbcglobal.net>
My Microair VHF 760 radio has failed after only 27 hours of operation. I'm
trying to decide if I should try to have it repaired or replace it with the
new XCOM radio which has some nice additional features.
Does anyone know of a U.S. repair station for Microair radios? I've
contacted the factory, but haven't heard back from them. Phone calls to
Australia are expensive so I'm relying on e-mails.
Also, has anyone been able to get their hands on the XCOM radio? They seem
to be back ordered everywhere. Looking at the wiring diagram I should be
able to plug it in to my existing radio connector.
Thanks,
Ted
Sweet, sweet flying (but communication challenged) RV-4
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| Subject: | Re: Static System Connections |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@comcast.net>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "David Carter" <dcarter@datarecall.net>
>>
>>This Van's "method" has to be the most ignorant thing about the entire kit -
>>totally unacceptable to do it their way.
>>
>>
Ouch, that hurts finding out that I have been using an ignorant method
in a totally unacceptable
way that has worked great for me for 16 years. :)
Jerry
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| Subject: | Static System Connections |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
On top of that, many of the aftermarket "flush" and "machined" type fittings
have proven a number of times to induce errors into the static system when
installed in some peoples RV's. Time, Flight hours, and experience has
found the "ignorant ways" to be the "accurate ways".
Just my 2 cents as usual!
Cheers,
Stein.
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jerry Springer
Subject: Re: RV-List: Static System Connections
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@comcast.net>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "David Carter" <dcarter@datarecall.net>
>>
>>This Van's "method" has to be the most ignorant thing about the entire
kit -
>>totally unacceptable to do it their way.
>>
>>
Ouch, that hurts finding out that I have been using an ignorant method
in a totally unacceptable
way that has worked great for me for 16 years. :)
Jerry
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Flight Planning |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rene" <rene@felker.com>
I use Airplan, http://www.razorsedgesoft.com/. Good price and works great.
Rene'
801-721-6080
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| Subject: | Re: touch screen pdas in rough air? |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
Jim Jewell wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
>
>A question for those that own and are using The iPAQ and other touch screen
>type PDA's;
>
>In a discussion recently I was told that the majority of touch screen PDA
>GPS system users felt that they where very difficult to use effectively in
>bumpy and or rough air flight conditions.
>
True ..... and not so true. I use Anywhere Map on an iPAQ ..... in my
Pitts ..... and yes, sometimes it's hard to double-tap and get the info
you want. So you just try again. AWM also has a 'large key' input on
the screen for some specific functions ...... but they are only a subset
of the whole 'picture'.
>The person making the claims was adamant that this reason among unmentioned
>others was the prime reason to avoid the PDA based GPS and flight systems.
>
You have to remember what they say about opinions ......
I like mine. The updates are $115/year ..... cheapest of any other, I
think ..... and they're constantly updating the main program and adding
functions ..... for free.
>I think it has been a while since this kind of question on this subject has
>been asked.
>
I think you're right.
>I have not as yet chosen a path on this subject and hope to get some input
>pro and con re- PDA based GPS and flight data versus the mainstream portable
>GPS and fight data systems.
>
You should get a lot of feedback. I like mine.
Linn .... do not archive
>
>Jim in Kelowna
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Static System Connections |
--> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
Long & detailed on an old subject. Worth the read if your working on the
static system.
We used the ACS part# 15160 static port (page# 337) and Nylo-seal
fittings ACS part# 269-N 04X02 male elbow (page 110) and the 264-N 04 union
tee for the totally enclosed part of the static system on HRII N561FS. These
ports have a raised center that fits thru a 1/4" hole in the side. It sticks
thru far enough to still be raised off the surface after painting. Why did
we spend the extra $38.00 bucks for these parts ?.
First, the machined port looks like a machined part rather than the head
of a "pop" rivet.
Second, (and the most important) was it allows the use of the 90 degree
elbow fitting that's takes ALL the stress off the port (pop
rivet end) and the required bend in the tubing. We could have used
the "regular" hose & tube fitting (page 111) but since we only open this
area for annual "conditional inspections" we felt better about
the mechanical joint/ no stress connections.
Third, the tubing is not stretched over a barb which can cause the tube
to split at some later date.
Fourth, we were building Rocket and wanted it to look like a Rocket. Did
we use "pop" rivets on the Rocket ?. Of course BUT not where is
shows. 8*)
If you have read any of my other posts you know that I believe in KISS (Keep
It Simple Stupid) method BUT in my not so humble opinion, the use of the
above fittings both here & in the rest of the Rocket make service and/or
replacement Simple only because you can easily take the system apart and
then put it back together. I wouldn't do that with the barb ends IF you can
get them apart in the first place.
This is only my opinion. Your circumstances/mileage may vary. No offence
Jerry, we used lots of your suggestions while building N561FS. You taught
this Old Dog some new tricks.
Do Not Archive KABONG
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Springer" <jsflyrv@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Static System Connections
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@comcast.net>
>
>
>>
>>
>>>--> RV-List message posted by: "David Carter" <dcarter@datarecall.net>
>>>
>>>This Van's "method" has to be the most ignorant thing about the entire
>>>kit -
>>>totally unacceptable to do it their way.
>>>
>>>
>
> Ouch, that hurts finding out that I have been using an ignorant method
> in a totally unacceptable
> way that has worked great for me for 16 years. :)
>
> Jerry
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Impressions after flying the RV10 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
While at SnF, April 2005, I got a chance to fly the RV10. What follows are a
few impressions.
(I will try to be brief and to the point).
Load = Me + Mike Seager + (RV6'er) Ken + small amount of baggage + almost
full fuel.
Space . significant as everyone has mentioned. I had sat in the mock-up and
later in the real thing (at OSH) but this was better.
Engine smooth . as expected for the 6 cylinder.
Take-off roll MUCH SHORTER than I expected (with ~ 15 degrees of flaps {my
guess})
Climb-out ~ 1500 FPM from sea level at much warmer than standard day
(Florida around noon . don't remember the temp)
Handling feels "like an RV" . appropriate for the obvious weight.
Control forces seem to be between the RV6/RV7 and the outer edges of the
RV9. ("9 Flyers" will relate to this)
Control forces are expectedly much lighter than Beechcraft A36, Cessna 210
as well as the Piper Saratoga. (I know, these are 6-place . I was thinking
speed range).
Control forces are much lighter (to me) than the Cirrus SR22 and the Lancair
Columbia 300.
No excessive trim required. Some required as expected due to size, speed and
our loading.
Handles well at slow speeds (75 MPH) and high speeds (175 MPH). Yes, it can
fly SLOWER and FASTER.
Control forces seem well balanced . no major deviations in steep turns
(other than those induced by the pilot :-) )
Nice plane. As one had come to expect from Vans.
My only comment that was not praise was "I wish someone would donate Vans a
set Bose X's . that would make the experience complete."
James
. now if I could just magically convert the Piper to a 10 overnight ..
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| Subject: | Re: touch screen pdas in rough air? |
Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 00:42:48 -0400
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tracy Crook" <lors01@msn.com>
AWM running on iPAQ works for me. Bit harder in rough air but not impossible.
My Terra radio with the speed sensitive knobs is more of a problem than the PDA
in turbulence. Having PDA mounted on the top right longeron helps since I
can steady my fore arm on it while using wrist action to tap on the screen.
This also places it close to eyeballs so I can see screen details easily. If
it were mounted on panel it would be harder to manage.
Tracy Crook
RV-4, Rotary powered.
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net<mailto:jjewell@telus.net>>
A question for those that own and are using The iPAQ and other touch screen
type PDA's;
In a discussion recently I was told that the majority of touch screen PDA
GPS system users felt that they where very difficult to use effectively in
bumpy and or rough air flight conditions.
The person making the claims was adamant that this reason among unmentioned
others was the prime reason to avoid the PDA based GPS and flight systems.
I think it has been a while since this kind of question on this subject has
been asked.
I have not as yet chosen a path on this subject and hope to get some input
pro and con re- PDA based GPS and flight data versus the mainstream portable
GPS and fight data systems.
Jim in Kelowna
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| Subject: | X-COM Radio and Microair Repair |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Todd Bartrim" <haywire@telus.net>
Hi Ted;
I have an X-com radio & MicroAir x-ponder. The X-com is a nice little unit
and so far I'm pleased with it. This winter I did have a couple of problems
with the MicroAir, but they were resolved with excellent customer support.
First I found that the backlight was intermittent as if a faulty switch,
then a few days later the unit wouldn't turn on at all. I'd e-mailed them
and didn't get an immediate response so I phoned them. Long distance is
cheap these days, but you need to call during their business hours (go to
www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/ to check for Brisbane).
When I called, the secretary said the service guy was at lunch but she
would have him call me (yeah right, I figured). Twenty minutes later he did
and asked if I had any electronics experience and tools at hand. So he
talked to me while I disassembled the unit and led me to de-solder a certain
transistor that was used as part of the hibernation circuitry, but in some
cases would make the unit too "sleepy" and wouldn't wake up. Reassembled the
unit and it worked again. Unfortunately however, the backlight was still
intermittent. As this wasn't a known problem, he had no self-repair fix for
it and instead promised to send me a new front display plate. 30 minutes
after I got off the phone with him he called me back with the courier
shipping # and said it was on it's way. 4 days later I had it in my hands
here in Canada and it only took minutes to install it. I then returned the
faulty faceplate in their shipping box using parcel post (cheapest... they
said they weren't in any hurry for the return)
The whole issue was resolved in less than a week and cost me ~$2 for the
phone call & $6 for return shipping. I've dealt with very few companies here
in North America that gave me that kind of service.
About a week later I received an e-mail from a different service guy in
response to my original e-mail request. I really prefer to use e-mail myself
for most things, but the sheer amount of spam and other abuse of the
internet has severely impacted on the usefulness of e-mail as a
communications tool. A company such as MicroAir that has their e-mail
address plastered all over the web will receive untold amounts of spam
making an aggressive spam filter a necessity. Unfortunately this results in
some legitimate e-mails not getting through the filters resulting in unhappy
customers and there will still be volumes of spam that will still get by
even the best filters, so even if your e-mail got through it may be buried.
A large company (such as Aircraft $pruce)has people whose job it is to sort
through this stuff and answer e-mails. MicroAir is not that big and service
techs likely have to go through e-mail between jobs in the shop. Sometimes
it's better to just pickup the phone.
Hope this helps
Todd Bartrim (satisfied MicroAir customer)
RV9Endurance
13B Turbo Rotary
C-FSTB
"The world will always have a place for those that bring hard
work and determination to the things they do."
--> RV-List message posted by: Ted Lumpkin <tlump51@sbcglobal.net>
My Microair VHF 760 radio has failed after only 27 hours of operation. I'm
trying to decide if I should try to have it repaired or replace it with the
new XCOM radio which has some nice additional features.
Does anyone know of a U.S. repair station for Microair radios? I've
contacted the factory, but haven't heard back from them. Phone calls to
Australia are expensive so I'm relying on e-mails.
Also, has anyone been able to get their hands on the XCOM radio? They seem
to be back ordered everywhere. Looking at the wiring diagram I should be
able to plug it in to my existing radio connector.
Thanks,
Ted
Sweet, sweet flying (but communication challenged) RV-4
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| Subject: | Re: Static System Connections |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@comcast.net>
No offense taken John, :-) Having built the second customer built RV-6
there were not a
lot of resources such as this list to get good ideas and different ways
to get the same job done.
I pretty much built it to Van's drawings and instruction manual. My
point was Van's KISS
methods have worked well for me. I am envious of you guys building and
flying Rockets,
my buddy Jim Anglin has his done and is waiting for an inspection
hopefully I will get a ride in it
once in a while.
Jerry
do not archive
JOHN STARN wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
>
>Long & detailed on an old subject. Worth the read if your working on the
>static system.
> We used the ACS part# 15160 static port (page# 337) and Nylo-seal
>fittings ACS part# 269-N 04X02 male elbow (page 110) and the 264-N 04 union
>tee for the totally enclosed part of the static system on HRII N561FS. These
>ports have a raised center that fits thru a 1/4" hole in the side. It sticks
>thru far enough to still be raised off the surface after painting. Why did
>we spend the extra $38.00 bucks for these parts ?.
> First, the machined port looks like a machined part rather than the head
>of a "pop" rivet.
> Second, (and the most important) was it allows the use of the 90 degree
>elbow fitting that's takes ALL the stress off the port (pop
>rivet end) and the required bend in the tubing. We could have used
>the "regular" hose & tube fitting (page 111) but since we only open this
>area for annual "conditional inspections" we felt better about
>the mechanical joint/ no stress connections.
> Third, the tubing is not stretched over a barb which can cause the tube
>to split at some later date.
> Fourth, we were building Rocket and wanted it to look like a Rocket. Did
>we use "pop" rivets on the Rocket ?. Of course BUT not where is
>shows. 8*)
>If you have read any of my other posts you know that I believe in KISS (Keep
>It Simple Stupid) method BUT in my not so humble opinion, the use of the
>above fittings both here & in the rest of the Rocket make service and/or
>replacement Simple only because you can easily take the system apart and
>then put it back together. I wouldn't do that with the barb ends IF you can
>get them apart in the first place.
> This is only my opinion. Your circumstances/mileage may vary. No offence
>Jerry, we used lots of your suggestions while building N561FS. You taught
>this Old Dog some new tricks.
>Do Not Archive KABONG
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jerry Springer" <jsflyrv@comcast.net>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Static System Connections
>
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@comcast.net>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>--> RV-List message posted by: "David Carter" <dcarter@datarecall.net>
>>>>
>>>>This Van's "method" has to be the most ignorant thing about the entire
>>>>kit -
>>>>totally unacceptable to do it their way.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>Ouch, that hurts finding out that I have been using an ignorant method
>>in a totally unacceptable
>>way that has worked great for me for 16 years. :)
>>
>>Jerry
>>do not archive
>>
>>
>
>
>
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