---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 04/22/05:26 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:44 AM - Re: Fw: I have a Sky-Tec starter for sale (J. R. Dial) 2. 06:18 AM - Re: Lightening Holes on the Vertical Stab Spar, HS rivet opinions? (Rick Galati) 3. 07:13 AM - oil cooling methods (Stucklen, Frederic W UTPWR) 4. 07:29 AM - Re: Lightening Holes on the Vertical Stab Spar, HS rivet opinions? (David Burton) 5. 07:41 AM - Edmonton Area Builders (Roger Embree) 6. 08:20 AM - Re: oil cooling methods (Konrad L. Werner) 7. 08:45 AM - Re: Lightening Holes on the Vertical Stab Spar, HS rivet opinions? (Paul Parashak) 8. 09:25 AM - Re: Scottsdale / PHX report () 9. 10:28 AM - Re: RV vs Rocket (Jeff Dowling) 10. 11:05 AM - Re: RV vs Rocket (Bruce Gray) 11. 12:17 PM - Re: RV vs Rocket (IO540 in RV-7) () 12. 12:28 PM - Re: Sky-Tec starter for sale/problem starting with LSEII () 13. 01:06 PM - Re: Re: Scottsdale / PHX report (Hal Rozema) 14. 01:55 PM - Re: Re: RV vs Rocket (IO540 in RV-7) (Tom Gummo) 15. 01:59 PM - Re: Re: RV vs Rocket (IO540 in RV-7) (Tom Gummo) 16. 02:46 PM - Re: Sky-Tec Starter / EI Compatibility (Rich Chiappe) 17. 03:38 PM - Re: Re: RV vs Rocket (IO540 in RV-7) (JOHN STARN) 18. 03:43 PM - Re: oil cooling methods (Kyle Boatright) 19. 04:12 PM - Re: Re: Sky-Tec Starter / EI Compatibility (Scott VanArtsdalen) 20. 06:19 PM - Re: Re: Sky-Tec starter starting with LSEII (GMC) 21. 08:41 PM - Re: Re: RV vs Rocket (IO540 in RV-7) (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)) 22. 08:41 PM - Silver Bullet (Joseph Czachorowski) 23. 08:41 PM - Re: Re: Sky-Tec Starter / EI Compatibility (Jeff Point) 24. 08:59 PM - Re: RV vs Rocket (Tracy Crook) 25. 09:10 PM - Re: Silver Bullet (Jerry Springer) 26. 09:25 PM - Instrument Suppliers (Piavis) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:44:18 AM PST US From: "J. R. Dial" Subject: RE: RV-List: Fw: I have a Sky-Tec starter for sale --> RV-List message posted by: "J. R. Dial" I have a SkyTec and Lightspeed and I ended up changing to a wound field SkyTec and it all works fine. My opinion only but I would use a wound field and not permanent magnet starter with the electronic ignition. I guess in some cases the PM starter with its high inrush current pulls the voltage down below the compliance voltage for the electronic ignition. All works fine now. N89erDD -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Checkoway Subject: Re: RV-List: Fw: I have a Sky-Tec starter for sale --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" > Why aren't you using it? I remember reading once that Skytec starters and > Lightspeed Electronic ignition systems had compatibility problems. I don't > remember why this was the case or if the problem was or is easily resolved. I believe Sky-Tec is/was worried about kickbacks being caused by electronic ignition systems at lower voltages. i.e. (and I'm pushing my knowledge envelope here, so correct me if I'm wrong) the possibility exists that while cranking, the voltage to the EI would drop, and the EI might go nuts and spark at an inopportune time, causing a kickback. > Anybody have a Skytec and a Lightspeed who can attest to its performance? I have both. Sky-Tec LS flyweight starter and a Lightspeed Plasma II. The only issue I had was with the Sky-Tec solenoid which died around 110 hours. Not related to the EI. I've been running the same starter since with no probs. I learned to carry a spare solenoid (thanks Birdstrike & Rosie) in my tool kit just in case. I'm not saying my experience counts for anything, but you asked. ;-) )_( Dan RV-7 N714D (457 hours) http://www.rvproject.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:18:25 AM PST US From: Rick Galati Subject: RV-List: Re: Lightening Holes on the Vertical Stab Spar, HS rivet opinions? --> RV-List message posted by: Rick Galati Mike, Opinions are never in short supply and that goes triple for the good folks in our aviation community, so here's mine. If it were my airplane, I would not hesitate to drill the bad rivet out, clean up the hole to the next nominal diameter, in this case with a #20 drill bit, (better yet, a #22 drill then final reamed with a .160 or .161 reamer), then install an AD-5 rivet. The defect you seem to be describing ..... 1/3 the thickness of the spar reinforcment sounds to me like fertile ground for increasing the chances of a stress fracture to develop. Personally, I would not want to dwell on nagging doubts about a known defect I chose to ignore while bouncing around in turbulent air. One final word........there are tech counselors and there are tech counselors. My first tech counselor visit was with a wood and fabric guy who knew as much about sheet metal work as I do about flying wires. The glowing form he submitted to the EAA was all well and good but in the end, I know in my gut that the session was little more than a paperwork dog and pony show. Find someone who is really experienced in sheet metal work and not just anyone who simply qualifies as a tech counselor. Rick Galati RV-6A "Darla" The one I am most worried about is a rivet that holds the front inner rib to the from spar reinforcement. My first rivet got bent going in. I drilled it out from the wrong side (shop head) and got a little way into the spar reinforcement bar. I re-riveted it with the same -4 rivet. You can see a small defect from my over drilling. I was considering the following options: 1. Leave it--put in some primer around it. 2. Drill it out and go with a larger size rivet 3. Drill it out and put in a small 3/16 bolt. Since the hole only goes about 1/3 of the thickness of the spar reinforcement, I thought it might be okay to leave. I will see what the tech counselor thinks. Opinions here? Regards, Michael Wynn RV8 Empennage San Ramon, CA ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:13:43 AM PST US From: "Stucklen, Frederic W UTPWR" Subject: RV-List: oil cooling methods --> RV-List message posted by: "Stucklen, Frederic W UTPWR" Bob, I have a 13 bay classic mounted on the firewall, with a 3" SCAT tube from #4 cylinder. on my RV-6A, O-320-D1A ... I'm finding that it's not getting enough air to sufficiently cool the oil on hot days (OAT > 95*F). Oil temps go up to 230*F under those conditions. When I called the Niagara people about changing coolers, I was told that I should have at least a 4" SCAT tube, preferably a 6". I'm thinking that taking that much air from the top of the engine would introduce engine cooling issues. I'm now considering a NACA vent off the left lower cowl..... Fred Stucklen RV-6A N926RV 375 Hrs Time: 12:57:08 PM PST US From: rv6fly < rv6fly@bresnan.net > Subject: oil cooling methods --> RV-List message posted by: rv6fly < rv6fly@bresnan.net > My friend's (Larry), 6A has a firewall mounted oil cooler. I imagine the standard source of cool air for the cooler would be SCAT tubing from the baffle behind cylinder #4. Years ago while helping with another 6A I toyed with the idea of taking the cooling air from a NACA vent on the left side of the cowl with the idea of keeping all of the air coming in the cowl inlet for cylinder cooling instead of bleeding off air behind #4 for the oil cooler. The downside would be having to undo a clamp before being able to drop the bottom cowl. As a lot of my RV knowledge is not up to date, I thought I'd check current thingking on this. Also, what's the latest on mechanical fuel pump cooling and alternator cooling both of which I did when I built my 6. Bob Skinner ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:29:03 AM PST US From: "David Burton" Subject: Re: RV-List: Lightening Holes on the Vertical Stab Spar, HS rivet opinions? --> RV-List message posted by: "David Burton" > Michael, > If you actually take the time to READ the Mil Spec on riveting (no one does) you'll find that you are >allowed 1 non conforming rivet in 10. You'll also find that you don't have to have shop heads which >are 150% of the rivet's diameter or a shop head which has a height of 50% of the rivet's diameter. >Those are the "ideal". The shop head can be as little as 33% of the diameter high and as little as 133% >of the rivet's diameter wide. > See what your tech councilor says. I suggest you abide by what he/she says. Good advice! I found it interesting that in my kit NONE of the rivets that had been installed by Van's and most of the rivets installed by Phlogiston ( the company that makes Van's anodized wing spars) meet the ideal definition for rivet installation... I shoot (pun intended) to meet the ideal with every rivet, but looking at what was delivered by the factory gave me the confidence that deviation from the ideal was acceptable. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:41:04 AM PST US From: Roger Embree Subject: RV-List: Edmonton Area Builders --> RV-List message posted by: Roger Embree I am looking for builders in the Edmonton area. Please email or call me on my cell. Thanks Roger Embree rembree@sympatico.ca 519 217-3111 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:20:32 AM PST US From: "Konrad L. Werner" Subject: Re: RV-List: oil cooling methods --> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad L. Werner" Dear Fred, You run a 13-row cooler for a O-320 and it is still running to hot? A 7-row cooler should do the trick when fed with adequate air flow. I agree that a 4" scat would help, but 6" seems overkill (...where would you even put it in the tight space?). Konrad BTW: A friends Cherokee runs a 180hp with a 7-row cooler & 4" duct of the rear baffle with no problems. Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Stucklen, Frederic W UTPWR To: 'rv6fly@bresnan.net' Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 8:03 AM Subject: RV-List: oil cooling methods --> RV-List message posted by: "Stucklen, Frederic W UTPWR" Bob, I have a 13 bay classic mounted on the firewall, with a 3" SCAT tube from #4 cylinder. on my RV-6A, O-320-D1A ... I'm finding that it's not getting enough air to sufficiently cool the oil on hot days (OAT > 95*F). Oil temps go up to 230*F under those conditions. When I called the Niagara people about changing coolers, I was told that I should have at least a 4" SCAT tube, preferably a 6". I'm thinking that taking that much air from the top of the engine would introduce engine cooling issues. I'm now considering a NACA vent off the left lower cowl..... Fred Stucklen RV-6A N926RV 375 Hrs Time: 12:57:08 PM PST US From: rv6fly < rv6fly@bresnan.net > Subject: oil cooling methods --> RV-List message posted by: rv6fly < rv6fly@bresnan.net > My friend's (Larry), 6A has a firewall mounted oil cooler. I imagine the standard source of cool air for the cooler would be SCAT tubing from the baffle behind cylinder #4. Years ago while helping with another 6A I toyed with the idea of taking the cooling air from a NACA vent on the left side of the cowl with the idea of keeping all of the air coming in the cowl inlet for cylinder cooling instead of bleeding off air behind #4 for the oil cooler. The downside would be having to undo a clamp before being able to drop the bottom cowl. As a lot of my RV knowledge is not up to date, I thought I'd check current thingking on this. Also, what's the latest on mechanical fuel pump cooling and alternator cooling both of which I did when I built my 6. Bob Skinner ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:45:24 AM PST US From: Paul Parashak Subject: Re: RV-List: Lightening Holes on the Vertical Stab Spar, HS rivet opinions? --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Parashak Michael, I borrowed a flycutter and worked it in a drill press. [CAUTION] Make sure that you have a very low speed drill press and secure the spar doubler very well! [/CAUTION] See results here: http://rv8a.parashak.net/comments.php?id=P26_0_1_0_C A hole cutter would be better but, the holes are different radii are different and non-standard. I just went slow and steady. Regards, Paul rv8a.parashak.net Monterey, CA On Apr 21, 2005, at 21:41, MLWynn@aol.com wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: MLWynn@aol.com > > Hi Dan > > What you say makes good sense, lighten as much as possible. So, how > does one > best cut these lightening holes? Circular hole saw on a drill press? > > Regards, > > Michael Wynn > RV-8, Empennage > San Ramon, California > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:25:17 AM PST US From: Subject: RV-List: Re: Scottsdale / PHX report --> RV-List message posted by: Someone mentioned they wanted to know this stuff on list. do not archive. --------------- Hi David, I've lived in the Ahwatukee area of south PHX for about 5 years and have a 6A in my garage which just had the engine hung. Here's what I know about the local aviation community and city. There are 4-5 main airports to house your airplane: Scottsdale, Falcon Field (Mesa), Deer Valley, or Chandler. Others are further East like Goodyear. PHX International is for the big boys. You will find they all have waiting lists for hangars & tie downs - some for 10 years! Most renters end up sub-leasing from other hangar owners. You should try contacting all of them ASAP to find out how things look. The Scottsdale EAA chapter (#1217) seems to be the most active. Here's the link: http://www.acsinfo.com/eaa/index.htm Deer Valley would rank second, the others seem dead. There are a lot of warbirds at Mesa. As usual there are RV's everywhere. Pretty good group at Deer Valley, and a handful of builders I know at Chandler. Scottsdale has more varied experimentals. I have a neighbor building a -9A at the same stage of construction as me. We have a short term lease on a hangar at Chandler to get us to first flight. Due to hangar shortage we will likely be based at Casa Grande about 30 miles to the south of PHX. Prices there are also a little better. They have new hangars under construction, and it is the new home of the EAA Copperstate Fly-in. There are also a couple airport communities: Pegasus and Stellar that would give you an opportunity to build on them if you prefer. As for real estate - thing have spiked here in the last year. 20-30% increase in housing prices. Most last a day on the market and go for more than asking price. Scottsdale is particularly costly, but a good investment. Know as 'Snotsdale' in some local areas. I choose Ahwatukee due to low crime, great schools, clean community and high social standards. It was also close to my work location in Chandler, and the PHX airport that I fly out of for business and leisure. I found this website to be helpful: http://www.southwestrealestate.com/ Good luck your search and write if you have more questions I can answer. Kelly Patterson PHX, AZ RV-6A N716K FWF ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:28:02 AM PST US From: "Jeff Dowling" Subject: Re: RV-List: RV vs Rocket --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" Plastic doesnt count :) do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Gray" Subject: RE: RV-List: RV vs Rocket > --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" > > I've got a 300HP side by side, it's called a Glasair III. > > Bruce > www.glasair.org > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Dowling > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: RV vs Rocket > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" > > > Im talking about a 300 hp, side by side. > > do not archive > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JOHN STARN" > To: > Subject: Re: RV-List: RV vs Rocket > > >> --> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" >> >> Thought we were talking about a "ROCKET" not an F-2. As to "Rate Of > Climb" >> (ROC). HRII N561FS is reported to be only 250 HP. (Slowest HRII we > know >> of) >> When you get it flying come on by APV and we'll try to out climb your >> MMMMMM. Will even pay for breakfast/lunch afterward. N561FS can climb > out >> at >> a 45 degree angle AND be at pattern altitude at the APV 18/36 runway >> midpoint. We (two on board, 500# plus) tried a full power, no flap > stall >> with the nose 30 degree high, still climbing at better than 1,000 fpm > thru >> 14,700' when the 23 gallons per hour burn was just more than Tom >> (Gummibear) >> could stand. No oxygen so we came back down. OK...OK so we were > setting >> AOA >> limits and ONLY went past 10,000' (14,700 just sounds better & I've > told >> this story before) and were not slowing down AND we were closer to a > 45 >> degree BUT that makes it sound like we're bragging. Think there is an > old >> axiom "it aint bragging if'en ya'll can to it". We done dude it. 8*) >> KABONG Do Not Archive (We share our hanger with a motoglider if you > like >> "float") >> Subject: Re: RV-List: RV vs Rocket >> >> >>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Tracy Crook" >>> >>> The F-2 is a super airplane but am I the only one who likes airplanes > >>> that >>> can both 'float like a butterfly AND sting like a bee'? I wanted the >>> power of a Rocket with the power off sink rate of a really light > RV-4. >>> My >>> answer was an RV-8 with a 300 HP rotary with the wings extended 1 > foot on >>> each side and RV-7/Rocket wingtips. Won't keep up with an F-2 on top >>> speed but wanna' compare ROC? : ) >>> >>> Tracy Crook >>> RV-4 13B Renesis, 1500+ Hrs >>> RV-8 20B Flying "real soon now" >> >> >> > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:05:06 AM PST US From: "Bruce Gray" Subject: RE: RV-List: RV vs Rocket --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" I will when you do an outside loop. Bruce www.glasair.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Dowling Subject: Re: RV-List: RV vs Rocket --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" Plastic doesnt count :) do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Gray" Subject: RE: RV-List: RV vs Rocket > --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" > > I've got a 300HP side by side, it's called a Glasair III. > > Bruce > www.glasair.org > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Dowling > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: RV vs Rocket > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" > > > Im talking about a 300 hp, side by side. > > do not archive > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JOHN STARN" > To: > Subject: Re: RV-List: RV vs Rocket > > >> --> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" >> >> Thought we were talking about a "ROCKET" not an F-2. As to "Rate Of > Climb" >> (ROC). HRII N561FS is reported to be only 250 HP. (Slowest HRII we > know >> of) >> When you get it flying come on by APV and we'll try to out climb your >> MMMMMM. Will even pay for breakfast/lunch afterward. N561FS can climb > out >> at >> a 45 degree angle AND be at pattern altitude at the APV 18/36 runway >> midpoint. We (two on board, 500# plus) tried a full power, no flap > stall >> with the nose 30 degree high, still climbing at better than 1,000 fpm > thru >> 14,700' when the 23 gallons per hour burn was just more than Tom >> (Gummibear) >> could stand. No oxygen so we came back down. OK...OK so we were > setting >> AOA >> limits and ONLY went past 10,000' (14,700 just sounds better & I've > told >> this story before) and were not slowing down AND we were closer to a > 45 >> degree BUT that makes it sound like we're bragging. Think there is an > old >> axiom "it aint bragging if'en ya'll can to it". We done dude it. 8*) >> KABONG Do Not Archive (We share our hanger with a motoglider if you > like >> "float") >> Subject: Re: RV-List: RV vs Rocket >> >> >>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Tracy Crook" >>> >>> The F-2 is a super airplane but am I the only one who likes airplanes > >>> that >>> can both 'float like a butterfly AND sting like a bee'? I wanted the >>> power of a Rocket with the power off sink rate of a really light > RV-4. >>> My >>> answer was an RV-8 with a 300 HP rotary with the wings extended 1 > foot on >>> each side and RV-7/Rocket wingtips. Won't keep up with an F-2 on top >>> speed but wanna' compare ROC? : ) >>> >>> Tracy Crook >>> RV-4 13B Renesis, 1500+ Hrs >>> RV-8 20B Flying "real soon now" >> >> >> > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:17:18 PM PST US From: Subject: RV-List: Re: RV vs Rocket (IO540 in RV-7) --> RV-List message posted by: As far as a SBS rocket, this guy is putting a IO-540 in a RV-7: http://www.rv-7adventure.net/ >Vince wrote: >Let me explain: Flying RVs is like spending the night with Jennifer >Aniston. Flying the Rocket is like spending the night with Jennifer >Aniston, Cindy Crawford, Sandra Bullock, and 12 Victoria's Secret >models... and they're fighting over who gets you next. Vince, give me a break, 1 woman Vs. 15 woman. Wishful thinking to the max, and I doubt you would know what to do with them. ;- ) One) The current top plane of the Cafe Foundation, CAFE Triaviathon is a RV-4, beating a Mr H's HRII. (http://www.cafefoundation.org/aprs/RV-4.pdf) After all a HRII is still a RV. Your 1 to 15 girl analogy for the RV vs HRII is more like your wife wearing 15 different wigs. Two) The Rocket, HRII or F-1, are nice, but all its extra attribute (performance over RV's) is Horse Power. It is just a clip wing, stretched RV-4 with a IO-540. They handle good because it is a RV. OK, your 1 to 15 girl RV vs HRII analogy is more like your girlfriend got a boob job, but sorry no 15 girl action Buddy. Three) What makes RVs fun is they way the feel and fly. Climb rate and top speed is part of the picture. Yes, the Rocket is faster and climbs quicker (220 vs.250 mph , 2500 vs 3500 fpm, no denying HP). The Rocket has 14% more performance than a RV. OK your up to a 3-way with Jennifer Aniston and her girlfriend. Vince, you are justifiably proud and have a very active imagination; Congratulations on your Rocket, very nice. Fly safe. Those fast women can burn you. :-) Cheers George, RV-7 (which I think is like the actress Eva Longoria, one at a time if fine) --> RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" SNIP People can say what they want about how great an RV flies, that is until they experience a rocket. Its not just about the horsepower. They fly as beautifully as they look. Regards, Bob Japundza RV-6 flying 600+ hours F1 under const. SNIP Bob is right. Man, I LOVED my RV-4. It ruined me from ever being happy in any production plane that I ever flew afterwards. But what about the Rocket? Well, I still like to fly RVs, but given a choice..... the Rocket wins. Let me explain: Flying RVs is like spending the night with Jennifer Aniston. Flying the Rocket is like spending the night with Jennifer Aniston, Cindy Crawford, Sandra Bullock, and 12 Victoria's Secret models... and they're fighting over who gets you next. Vince F-1H Rocket, N540VF http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/page1.html ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:28:05 PM PST US From: Subject: RV-List: Re: Sky-Tec starter for sale/problem starting with LSEII --> RV-List message posted by: True the sky-tec takes takes more current to get going which can draw down the voltage Kick backs are not Sky-Tecs problem, it is an ignition problem If you kick back you can break the starter nose casting Low voltage plays havoc w/ all elect ign, causing them to miss fire and kick back during start The LSEII (or LSEIII) should do the best of any EI because it can operate w/ low voltage Electoair requires more volts than the LSE and may be more sensitive to low volt start My basic Sky-tec, no problems over 600 hours, but with mags EI on starting, you can use 2nd small battery just to pwr one EI (isolated from starter) Using the back up battery for EI pwr & starting will eliminate the problem (if ignition related) Sky-tec offers the HT version which has lower current requirements B&C is nice but cost too much Most can use the cheaper Sky-tec, the HT version cost more but is a better starter SKY-TEC, all are nice reliable products Small battey, large gage wire, good connections (+ and -) to starter, you will be fine. George --> RV-List message posted by: Tim Olson Dan is basically right. I just ordered my RV-10 Aerosport IO-540 engine today and talked to Bart about it. He recommended getting the HT Sky-Tec starter with my Lightspeed III ignition. I didn't follow it perfectly, but it basically amounted to the voltage dropping when you crank the engine. I don't think he said it caused kickbacks, but maybe just poor starting. Anyway, I'm hoping to use a dual-bus system and run my lightspeed on the essential bus...separated...during starting anyway, along with an instrument or two. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:06:45 PM PST US From: Hal Rozema Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Scottsdale / PHX report --> RV-List message posted by: Hal Rozema Hi: I'm a Chapter 1217 member. I recommend it. Meets at Scottsdale Terminal 700 pm third Thursday each month. Next meeting is special May Day (05.01) at a members hangar... North side of Deer Valley field. Come on down if you can. A big majority of our member are based at Deer Valley (cheaper hangar rental rates and shorter waiting list .. ours was about one year) Of all the fields I've flown from around Phoenix, DVT has a lot of camaraderie, sharing of help, tools, and things seldom used but important... welding or trailering. Friday night and other special days at DVT north side hangars you will find a barbecue or potluck going on in the evening. No organization. Just show up and get acquainted. I don't know of another field with this atmosphere. DVT is the 23 busiest airport in the US. Great tower and controllers. Always willing to work with strangers, students, foreign students and gas stops or EXPERIMENTALS. Great taxi up restaurant on the south side of the field in the terminal. E-mail me off list or come see us.. My website (I'm building a Zenith 701/Jab3300) is http://ThePlaneFolks.Net se the "construction gallery" Hal and Jackie Rozema kbob@cox.net wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: > >Someone mentioned they wanted to know this stuff on list. do not archive. >--------------- > >Hi David, >I've lived in the Ahwatukee area of south PHX for about 5 years and have a 6A in my garage which just had the engine hung. Here's what I know about the local aviation community and city. > >There are 4-5 main airports to house your airplane: Scottsdale, Falcon Field (Mesa), Deer Valley, or Chandler. Others are further West like Goodyear. PHX International is for the big boys. You will find they all have waiting lists for hangars & tie downs - some for 10 years! Most renters end up sub-leasing from other hangar owners. You should try contacting all of them ASAP to find out how things look. The Scottsdale EAA chapter (#1217) seems to be the most active. Here's the link: http://www.acsinfo.com/eaa/index.htm Deer Valley would rank second, the others seem dead. There are a lot of warbirds at Mesa. As usual there are RV's everywhere. Pretty good group at Deer Valley, and a handful of builders I know at Chandler. Scottsdale has more varied experimentals. > >I have a neighbor building a -9A at the same stage of construction as me. We have a short term lease on a hangar at Chandler to get us to first flight. Due to hangar shortage we will likely be based at Casa Grande about 30 miles to the south of PHX. Prices there are also a little better. They have new hangars under construction, and it is the new home of the EAA Copperstate Fly-in. > >There are also a couple airport communities: Pegasus and Stellar that would give you an opportunity to build on them if you prefer. As for real estate - thing have spiked here in the last year. 20-30% increase in housing prices. Most last a day on the market and go for more than asking price. Scottsdale is particularly costly, but a good investment. Know as 'Snotsdale' in some local areas. I choose Ahwatukee due to low crime, great schools, clean community and high social standards. It was also close to my work location in Chandler, and the PHX airport that I fly out of for business and leisure. I found this website to be helpful: http://www.southwestrealestate.com/ > >Good luck your search and write if you have more questions I can answer. > >Kelly Patterson >PHX, AZ >RV-6A N716K FWF > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:55:41 PM PST US From: "Tom Gummo" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV vs Rocket (IO540 in RV-7) --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" First let me say, that I do have the slowest Rocket. I have flown side-by-side with a 180 HP CS RV-4 and I am faster, can climb better, have a lower fuel flow (maybe 0.1 GPH), etc. etc. It is not magic but I have more HP. :-) Now, there is no way I would take my plane to CAFE and expect to set any records. From what little I know of John Harmon is that he took his personal plane with no fan fare or special mods and set several CAFE records. Now, (I may get some of this wrong but it is what I heard), the RV-4 was highly modified. It was build very light and not painted to save more weight. Unlike most RVs, I would not want to be in it if acro was being performed. The pilot even lost a lot of weight. I am sure there were many more things done in search of the record book. Let me say, I see nothing wrong in this. But comparing a "Stock" Rocket with a "Special" RV-4 is like comparing apples to oranges. I don't take my car to the race track and expect to compete with formula F-1 cars. Tom Gummo Apple Valley, CA Harmon Rocket-II do not archive http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: RV-List: Re: RV vs Rocket (IO540 in RV-7) > --> RV-List message posted by: > > As far as a SBS rocket, this guy is putting a IO-540 in a RV-7: > http://www.rv-7adventure.net/ > > >Vince wrote: > >Let me explain: Flying RVs is like spending the night with Jennifer > >Aniston. Flying the Rocket is like spending the night with Jennifer > >Aniston, Cindy Crawford, Sandra Bullock, and 12 Victoria's Secret > >models... and they're fighting over who gets you next. > > Vince, give me a break, 1 woman Vs. 15 woman. Wishful thinking to the max, > and I doubt you would know what to do with them. ;- ) > > One) The current top plane of the Cafe Foundation, CAFE Triaviathon is a > RV-4, beating a Mr H's HRII. > (http://www.cafefoundation.org/aprs/RV-4.pdf) After all a HRII is still a > RV. Your 1 to 15 girl analogy for the RV vs HRII is more like your wife > wearing 15 different wigs. > > Two) The Rocket, HRII or F-1, are nice, but all its extra attribute > (performance over RV's) is Horse Power. It is just a clip wing, stretched > RV-4 with a IO-540. They handle good because it is a RV. OK, your 1 to 15 > girl RV vs HRII analogy is more like your girlfriend got a boob job, but > sorry no 15 girl action Buddy. > > Three) What makes RVs fun is they way the feel and fly. Climb rate and top > speed is part of the picture. Yes, the Rocket is faster and climbs quicker > (220 vs.250 mph , 2500 vs 3500 fpm, no denying HP). The Rocket has 14% > more performance than a RV. OK your up to a 3-way with Jennifer Aniston > and her girlfriend. > > Vince, you are justifiably proud and have a very active imagination; > Congratulations on your Rocket, very nice. Fly safe. Those fast women can > burn you. :-) > > Cheers George, RV-7 (which I think is like the actress Eva Longoria, one > at a time if fine) > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" > > SNIP People can say what they want > about how great an RV flies, that is until they experience a rocket. > Its not just about the horsepower. They fly as beautifully as they > look. > > Regards, > Bob Japundza > RV-6 flying 600+ hours F1 under const. > SNIP > > Bob is right. Man, I LOVED my RV-4. It ruined me from ever being > happy > in any production plane that I ever flew afterwards. > > But what about the Rocket? Well, I still like to fly RVs, but given a > choice..... the Rocket wins. > > Let me explain: Flying RVs is like spending the night with Jennifer > Aniston. Flying the Rocket is like spending the night with Jennifer > Aniston, Cindy Crawford, Sandra Bullock, and 12 Victoria's Secret > models... and they're fighting over who gets you next. > > Vince > F-1H Rocket, N540VF > http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/page1.html > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:59:24 PM PST US From: "Tom Gummo" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV vs Rocket (IO540 in RV-7) --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" Vince, Let me say that I thought I was the only one who wanted to spend the night with Jennifer Aniston, Cindy Crawford, Sandra Bullock and Faith Hill, etc. etc. so please stay out of my day dreams. GummiBear "Dirt-Old-Man" DO NOT ARCHIVE :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: RV-List: Re: RV vs Rocket (IO540 in RV-7) > --> RV-List message posted by: > > As far as a SBS rocket, this guy is putting a IO-540 in a RV-7: > http://www.rv-7adventure.net/ > > >Vince wrote: > >Let me explain: Flying RVs is like spending the night with Jennifer > >Aniston. Flying the Rocket is like spending the night with Jennifer > >Aniston, Cindy Crawford, Sandra Bullock, and 12 Victoria's Secret > >models... and they're fighting over who gets you next. > > Vince, give me a break, 1 woman Vs. 15 woman. Wishful thinking to the max, > and I doubt you would know what to do with them. ;- ) > > One) The current top plane of the Cafe Foundation, CAFE Triaviathon is a > RV-4, beating a Mr H's HRII. > (http://www.cafefoundation.org/aprs/RV-4.pdf) After all a HRII is still a > RV. Your 1 to 15 girl analogy for the RV vs HRII is more like your wife > wearing 15 different wigs. > > Two) The Rocket, HRII or F-1, are nice, but all its extra attribute > (performance over RV's) is Horse Power. It is just a clip wing, stretched > RV-4 with a IO-540. They handle good because it is a RV. OK, your 1 to 15 > girl RV vs HRII analogy is more like your girlfriend got a boob job, but > sorry no 15 girl action Buddy. > > Three) What makes RVs fun is they way the feel and fly. Climb rate and top > speed is part of the picture. Yes, the Rocket is faster and climbs quicker > (220 vs.250 mph , 2500 vs 3500 fpm, no denying HP). The Rocket has 14% > more performance than a RV. OK your up to a 3-way with Jennifer Aniston > and her girlfriend. > > Vince, you are justifiably proud and have a very active imagination; > Congratulations on your Rocket, very nice. Fly safe. Those fast women can > burn you. :-) > > Cheers George, RV-7 (which I think is like the actress Eva Longoria, one > at a time if fine) > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" > > SNIP People can say what they want > about how great an RV flies, that is until they experience a rocket. > Its not just about the horsepower. They fly as beautifully as they > look. > > Regards, > Bob Japundza > RV-6 flying 600+ hours F1 under const. > SNIP > > Bob is right. Man, I LOVED my RV-4. It ruined me from ever being > happy > in any production plane that I ever flew afterwards. > > But what about the Rocket? Well, I still like to fly RVs, but given a > choice..... the Rocket wins. > > Let me explain: Flying RVs is like spending the night with Jennifer > Aniston. Flying the Rocket is like spending the night with Jennifer > Aniston, Cindy Crawford, Sandra Bullock, and 12 Victoria's Secret > models... and they're fighting over who gets you next. > > Vince > F-1H Rocket, N540VF > http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/page1.html > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:46:24 PM PST US From: Rich Chiappe Subject: RV-List: Re: Sky-Tec Starter / EI Compatibility --> RV-List message posted by: Rich Chiappe Hey, I'll chime in on the Sky-Tec compatibility w/EI discussion. As Dan appropriately put it, there can be issues with a starter's initial desire to get turning ("initial inrush current") pulling max amps out of a weakened or low battery trying to keep the EI up and glowing during the crank. When the battery is up and the system is functioning well, there are no problems (hence why most folks out there are running Sky-Tec and Lightspeed together successfully). But when something falls off par (battery low, cable or solenoid failing or loose, etc.), when the permanant magnet motor goes to pull current, there's not a lot left to keep the bus (supplying voltage to the EI) up over a threshold of voltage above which it knows to do its thing. Below the threshold, however, the EI fritzs out and doesn't do its thing well alowing sparks before the piston gets all the way up (kickback -> broken starter). Workaround/fixes: - Choose a wound field (non-permanant magnet starter) This may work well for you for a longer period of time, but frankly, you haven't fixed the problem - only delayed it. The condition still exists. You simply manage to lessen the extent of the amp draw and therefore lessen the liklihood of drawing current below the EI's power threshold. But a low enough battery with any brand of starter will still yield you the same results: KICKBACK. - Don't start on the EI. If you are lucky enough to have left an impulse coupled mag on one side of your engine - GREAT! Pull the power to the EI until the mag has your engine lit and running (well past the point where the starter pulls current to start cranking it up). Put power back into the EI when everything's already going around. - Dual EI? Then your best bet is to isolate the EI battery (give it its own source of power separate from the big battery supplying the starter). Again, this doesn't matter if it's a Sky-Tec LS or any other flavor of starter. You'd be well served to protect your investment this way. The EI doesn't require a very stout battery. Just good, clean voltage. So it's battery doesn't have to be big or heavy (or expensive). Others on this board can give you specifics. A lot of these low battery scenarios also tend to involve non-standard batteries. There's a reason gel cell batteries are used in wheelchairs and NOT most aircraft. There are more appropriate technologies for aircraft batteries that crank hard and are still lightweight and small. Consider the line of AGM batteries from the likes of Hawker Energy (Aerobatteries.com). Can anyone say "Odyssey"? I know most of you already do. - Consider buying an EI that understands the cranking process. As mentioned, we have had multiple conversations with "traditional EI vendors" and the other posts were accurate. Existing vendors tend to blame the starter for causing kickbacks. For obvious reasons, we disagree. The starter is the victim in this scenario, not the culprit. However, there are other EI manufacturers that have figured out ways to make their EI work even when voltage goes scarce during the crank (due to starter pull or any other reason). Take a look at the E-MAG at emagair.com . - Go on faith. For those of you who continue to run Sky-Tec LS (or any other model of Sky-Tec starter) with a Lightspeed, great! If your starter should suffer a kickback, we're here to help you. Complete overhauls on most models are $150 or less and repairs of simple parts like mounts (most frequent victim of kickback) are only $60. It's not a ton of money in the big picture should the worst scenario ever happen. When it happens to your other brand of starter (they suffer kickbacks just like all starters do regardless of manufacturer - regardless of the hype), hold on to your wallet. Seriously, we turn starters around same day (in most cases) and we'll work with you. If we can't be perfect, we'll at least be nice, efficient and a good value! Hope this info helps you. If you ever have questions about starters of any sort, please do not hesitate to ask. - Rich Chiappe Sky-Tec 800-476-7896 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:38:11 PM PST US From: "JOHN STARN" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV vs Rocket (IO540 in RV-7) --> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" ME THINKS HE COMPLAINS TOO LOUDLY.... 8*) KABONG (GBA & GWB) Note: In My Not So Humble Opinion Gummibears skills in an airplane can not be overstated. In a race car ?.?.? He'd just be another target....8*) Do Not Archive Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV vs Rocket (IO540 in RV-7) > --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" > > First let me say, that I do have the slowest Rocket. I have flown > side-by-side with a 180 HP CS RV-4 and I am faster, can climb better, have > a > lower fuel flow (maybe 0.1 GPH), etc. etc. It is not magic but I have > more > HP. :-) I don't take my car to the race track and > expect to compete with formula F-1 cars. > > Tom Gummo > Apple Valley, CA > Harmon Rocket-II ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:43:42 PM PST US From: "Kyle Boatright" Subject: Re: RV-List: oil cooling methods --> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" Fred, I have the 7 row Niagra cooler on a 160 HP RV-6. It is mounted directly to the baffle behind the #4 cylinder, and the opening is the width of the cooler x the height of the cooler less about an inch. I'm guessing the overall dimensions of the hole are 3.5" x 4.5", which is15.25 square inches, which would be the same cross sectional area as a 4.5" diameter SCAT Tube. Both my oil cooling and cylinder cooling are fine, even in the high temperatures we experience here in Atlanta. KB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stucklen, Frederic W UTPWR" Subject: RV-List: oil cooling methods > --> RV-List message posted by: "Stucklen, Frederic W UTPWR" > > > Bob, > > I have a 13 bay classic mounted on the firewall, with a 3" SCAT tube from > #4 cylinder. > on my RV-6A, O-320-D1A ... I'm finding that it's not getting enough air to > sufficiently > cool the oil on hot days (OAT > 95*F). Oil temps go up to 230*F under > those > conditions. > When I called the Niagara people about changing coolers, I was told that > I > should have > at least a 4" SCAT tube, preferably a 6". I'm thinking that taking that > much > air from the > top of the engine would introduce engine cooling issues. I'm now > considering > a NACA > vent off the left lower cowl..... > > Fred Stucklen > RV-6A N926RV 375 Hrs > > > Time: > > 12:57:08 PM PST US > > From: rv6fly < rv6fly@bresnan.net > > Subject: oil cooling methods > > --> RV-List message posted by: rv6fly < rv6fly@bresnan.net > > > > My friend's (Larry), 6A has a firewall mounted oil cooler. I > imagine > the standard source of cool air for the cooler would be SCAT tubing > from > the baffle behind cylinder #4. Years ago while helping with another > 6A > I toyed with the idea of taking the cooling air from a NACA vent on > the > left side of the cowl with the idea of keeping all of the air coming > in > the cowl inlet for cylinder cooling instead of bleeding off air > behind > > #4 for the oil cooler. The downside would be having to undo a clamp > before being able to drop the bottom cowl. > As a lot of my RV knowledge is not up to date, I thought I'd check > current thingking on this. > Also, what's the latest on mechanical fuel pump cooling and > alternator > cooling both of which I did when I built my 6. > > Bob Skinner > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:12:04 PM PST US From: Scott VanArtsdalen Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Sky-Tec Starter / EI Compatibility --> RV-List message posted by: Scott VanArtsdalen I can vouch for Sky-Tec's service. I just had a starter go out. I called them on Monday. Arranged for an outright exchange which I had to pay for, but they will refund some money if the core of my bad starter is serviceable. The new starter arrived today. They really wanted to help my try to troubleshoot my starter to avoid having to send it to them. Really nice folks, really good service. On Apr 22, 2005, at 2:31 PM, Rich Chiappe wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: Rich Chiappe > > Hey, I'll chime in on the Sky-Tec compatibility w/EI discussion. > > As Dan appropriately put it, there can be issues with a starter's > initial desire to get turning ("initial inrush current") pulling max > amps out of a weakened or low battery trying to keep the EI up and > glowing during the crank. When the battery is up and the system is > functioning well, there are no problems (hence why most folks out there > are running Sky-Tec and Lightspeed together successfully). But when > something falls off par (battery low, cable or solenoid failing or > loose, etc.), when the permanant magnet motor goes to pull current, > there's not a lot left to keep the bus (supplying voltage to the EI) up > over a threshold of voltage above which it knows to do its thing. > Below > the threshold, however, the EI fritzs out and doesn't do its thing well > alowing sparks before the piston gets all the way up (kickback -> > broken > starter). > > Workaround/fixes: > > - Choose a wound field (non-permanant magnet starter) > This may work well for you for a longer period of time, but frankly, > you haven't fixed the problem - only delayed it. The condition still > exists. You simply manage to lessen the extent of the amp draw and > therefore lessen the liklihood of drawing current below the EI's power > threshold. But a low enough battery with any brand of starter will > still yield you the same results: KICKBACK. > > - Don't start on the EI. If you are lucky enough to have left an > impulse coupled mag on one side of your engine - GREAT! Pull the power > to the EI until the mag has your engine lit and running (well past the > point where the starter pulls current to start cranking it up). Put > power back into the EI when everything's already going around. > > - Dual EI? Then your best bet is to isolate the EI battery (give it > its > own source of power separate from the big battery supplying the > starter). Again, this doesn't matter if it's a Sky-Tec LS or any other > flavor of starter. You'd be well served to protect your investment > this > way. The EI doesn't require a very stout battery. Just good, clean > voltage. So it's battery doesn't have to be big or heavy (or > expensive). Others on this board can give you specifics. A lot of > these low battery scenarios also tend to involve non-standard > batteries. There's a reason gel cell batteries are used in wheelchairs > and NOT most aircraft. There are more appropriate technologies for > aircraft batteries that crank hard and are still lightweight and small. > Consider the line of AGM batteries from the likes of Hawker Energy > (Aerobatteries.com). Can anyone say "Odyssey"? I know most of you > already do. > > - Consider buying an EI that understands the cranking process. As > mentioned, we have had multiple conversations with "traditional EI > vendors" and the other posts were accurate. Existing vendors tend to > blame the starter for causing kickbacks. For obvious reasons, we > disagree. The starter is the victim in this scenario, not the culprit. > However, there are other EI manufacturers that have figured out ways to > make their EI work even when voltage goes scarce during the crank (due > to starter pull or any other reason). Take a look at the E-MAG at > emagair.com . > > - Go on faith. For those of you who continue to run Sky-Tec LS (or any > other model of Sky-Tec starter) with a Lightspeed, great! If your > starter should suffer a kickback, we're here to help you. Complete > overhauls on most models are $150 or less and repairs of simple parts > like mounts (most frequent victim of kickback) are only $60. It's not > a > ton of money in the big picture should the worst scenario ever happen. > When it happens to your other brand of starter (they suffer kickbacks > just like all starters do regardless of manufacturer - regardless of > the > hype), hold on to your wallet. Seriously, we turn starters around same > day (in most cases) and we'll work with you. If we can't be perfect, > we'll at least be nice, efficient and a good value! > > Hope this info helps you. If you ever have questions about starters of > any sort, please do not hesitate to ask. > > - Rich Chiappe > Sky-Tec > 800-476-7896 > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:19:00 PM PST US From: GMC Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Sky-Tec starter starting with LSEII --> RV-List message posted by: GMC Learned this trick on the DC-6B, just count a few blades before you turn the ignition on! 8 & 12 blades, fuel boost then ignition (3 & 6 warm). On the RV with sky-tec and Lightspeed, ignition ON at 4 blades, no kickback in 360 hrs. George in Langley BC -----Original Message----- Subject: RV-List: Re: Sky-Tec starter for sale/problem starting with LSEII --> RV-List message posted by: True the sky-tec takes takes more current to get going which can draw down the voltage Kick backs are not Sky-Tecs problem, it is an ignition problem If you kick back you can break the starter nose casting Low voltage plays havoc w/ all elect ign, causing them to miss fire and kick back during start The LSEII (or LSEIII) ------------------------------------------------- Big Snip ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:41:21 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: RV vs Rocket (IO540 in RV-7) From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" Im weighing this Super 7 Sunday and Ill let you know how she turns out. Its gonna be one beautiful plane. I have not seen such cool detail as he has. Owner builder is an IA/A&P for the heavy's and it is amazing what he has access to to make things nice, neat, clean, and professionally done. Mike Do not archive. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Gummo Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV vs Rocket (IO540 in RV-7) --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" First let me say, that I do have the slowest Rocket. I have flown side-by-side with a 180 HP CS RV-4 and I am faster, can climb better, have a lower fuel flow (maybe 0.1 GPH), etc. etc. It is not magic but I have more HP. :-) Now, there is no way I would take my plane to CAFE and expect to set any records. From what little I know of John Harmon is that he took his personal plane with no fan fare or special mods and set several CAFE records. Now, (I may get some of this wrong but it is what I heard), the RV-4 was highly modified. It was build very light and not painted to save more weight. Unlike most RVs, I would not want to be in it if acro was being performed. The pilot even lost a lot of weight. I am sure there were many more things done in search of the record book. Let me say, I see nothing wrong in this. But comparing a "Stock" Rocket with a "Special" RV-4 is like comparing apples to oranges. I don't take my car to the race track and expect to compete with formula F-1 cars. Tom Gummo Apple Valley, CA Harmon Rocket-II do not archive http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: RV-List: Re: RV vs Rocket (IO540 in RV-7) > --> RV-List message posted by: > > As far as a SBS rocket, this guy is putting a IO-540 in a RV-7: > http://www.rv-7adventure.net/ > > >Vince wrote: > >Let me explain: Flying RVs is like spending the night with Jennifer > >Aniston. Flying the Rocket is like spending the night with Jennifer > >Aniston, Cindy Crawford, Sandra Bullock, and 12 Victoria's Secret > >models... and they're fighting over who gets you next. > > Vince, give me a break, 1 woman Vs. 15 woman. Wishful thinking to the max, > and I doubt you would know what to do with them. ;- ) > > One) The current top plane of the Cafe Foundation, CAFE Triaviathon is a > RV-4, beating a Mr H's HRII. > (http://www.cafefoundation.org/aprs/RV-4.pdf) After all a HRII is still a > RV. Your 1 to 15 girl analogy for the RV vs HRII is more like your wife > wearing 15 different wigs. > > Two) The Rocket, HRII or F-1, are nice, but all its extra attribute > (performance over RV's) is Horse Power. It is just a clip wing, stretched > RV-4 with a IO-540. They handle good because it is a RV. OK, your 1 to 15 > girl RV vs HRII analogy is more like your girlfriend got a boob job, but > sorry no 15 girl action Buddy. > > Three) What makes RVs fun is they way the feel and fly. Climb rate and top > speed is part of the picture. Yes, the Rocket is faster and climbs quicker > (220 vs.250 mph , 2500 vs 3500 fpm, no denying HP). The Rocket has 14% > more performance than a RV. OK your up to a 3-way with Jennifer Aniston > and her girlfriend. > > Vince, you are justifiably proud and have a very active imagination; > Congratulations on your Rocket, very nice. Fly safe. Those fast women can > burn you. :-) > > Cheers George, RV-7 (which I think is like the actress Eva Longoria, one > at a time if fine) > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" > > SNIP People can say what they want > about how great an RV flies, that is until they experience a rocket. > Its not just about the horsepower. They fly as beautifully as they > look. > > Regards, > Bob Japundza > RV-6 flying 600+ hours F1 under const. > SNIP > > Bob is right. Man, I LOVED my RV-4. It ruined me from ever being > happy > in any production plane that I ever flew afterwards. > > But what about the Rocket? Well, I still like to fly RVs, but given a > choice..... the Rocket wins. > > Let me explain: Flying RVs is like spending the night with Jennifer > Aniston. Flying the Rocket is like spending the night with Jennifer > Aniston, Cindy Crawford, Sandra Bullock, and 12 Victoria's Secret > models... and they're fighting over who gets you next. > > Vince > F-1H Rocket, N540VF > http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/page1.html > > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 08:41:21 PM PST US From: "Joseph Czachorowski" Subject: RV-List: Silver Bullet --> RV-List message posted by: "Joseph Czachorowski" Guys, I like to tell you about a new, improved product for our tailwheel RV's. I have been flying with one as the BETA tester for some time now. I previously had a Jantzi tailwheel link. I liked Terry's but wanted something different. I asked my brother (who has a machine shop) to make me a tailwheel linkage that was corrosion resistant and lighter and would last a long time. The result is what he calls the "Silver Bullet". His company is called, "RIVETHEAD." I liked the feel and response from the new "Silver Bullet" so much that I asked him to produce it for us tailwheel RV'ers. Take a look at the link below. It's nice to have choices. http://mysite.verizon.net/vze6vuex/ Joe "Zack" Czachorowski RV8 #80125 810hrs! ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:41:25 PM PST US From: Jeff Point Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Sky-Tec Starter / EI Compatibility --> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point Can't let this pass without comment. This was the same explanation I was given by the Skytec folks at their booth at Oshkosh. Sounds plausible, but in talking to Klaus from Lightspeed, he explained in great detail (which I forget and didn't fully understand anyway) why this scenario was thought of and engineered for, in his ignition systems. Whether you believe Skytec or not, Rich states this as accepted fact, and this is not at all the case. Jeff Point Rich Chiappe wrote: >Below the threshold, however, the EI fritzs out and doesn't do its thing well >alowing sparks before the piston gets all the way up (kickback -> broken >starter). > > > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 08:59:52 PM PST US From: "Tracy Crook" Subject: Re: RV-List: RV vs Rocket Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 23:42:18 -0400 --> RV-List message posted by: "Tracy Crook" No beef up on the RV-8 spar. Will reduce max G rating to utility cat. (4.4g) This is intended to be a high altitude traveler (18,000 ft or more). My -4 will be the yank & bank ride. The -7/Rocket tips are the 'sheared' tips that give another 5 - 6 inches of span (each side) over the Horner (Sp?) tips on stock -8) Used them on my -4 as well. Tracy Crook --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins > > ... My answer was an RV-8 with a 300 HP rotary with the > wings extended 1 foot on each side and RV-7/Rocket wingtips. ... Sounds very interesting. Did you do anything to beef up the spar, or are you planning on reducing the aerobatic limits? What's the difference between the RV7 wingtips and the RV8 wingtips? Thanks, Mickey -- Mickey Coggins http://www.rv8.ch/ #82007 Wiring ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 09:10:22 PM PST US From: Jerry Springer Subject: Re: RV-List: Silver Bullet --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer Joseph Czachorowski wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Joseph Czachorowski" > > >Guys, > >I like to tell you about a new, improved product for our tailwheel >RV's. I have been flying with one as the BETA tester for some time >now. I previously had a Jantzi tailwheel link. I liked Terry's but >wanted something different. I asked my brother (who has a machine >shop) to make me a tailwheel linkage that was corrosion resistant >and lighter and would last a long time. The result is what he calls >the "Silver Bullet". His company is called, "RIVETHEAD." I liked >the feel and response from the new "Silver Bullet" so much that I >asked him to produce it for us tailwheel RV'ers. > >Take a look at the link below. It's nice to have choices. > >http://mysite.verizon.net/vze6vuex/ > >Joe "Zack" Czachorowski >RV8 #80125 >810hrs! > > > Looks really nice, but $175.00 Ouch...... Jerry do not archive ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 09:25:20 PM PST US From: "Piavis" Subject: RV-List: Instrument Suppliers --> RV-List message posted by: "Piavis" It's going to be that time before long and the list doesn't have much info on the subject. Which suppliers have been pretty good to deal with for standard flight instruments? What US brands are recomended (staying away from the imports). Thanks, Jim http://adap.com/rv7 -7 Fuse