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1. 04:43 AM - Re: Advice on using an off-set rivet set (Alex & Gerry Peterson)
2. 04:46 AM - Re: BMA EFIS Light (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
3. 05:30 AM - Re: Advice on using an off-set rivet set (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
4. 05:30 AM - Re: Advice on using an off-set rivet set (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
5. 05:32 AM - Re: Advice on using an off-set rivet set (rv6fly)
6. 05:34 AM - Re: RV-List Performance Settings RV6 Lyc 0360 w Hartzell Constant Speed (LeastDrag93066@aol.com)
7. 05:35 AM - Re: Advice on using an off-set rivet set (LarryRobertHelming)
8. 05:37 AM - Re: Advice on using an off-set rivet set (Charlie Kuss)
9. 06:24 AM - Rotary engine for sale (Dana Overall)
10. 06:54 AM - Re: Advice on using an off-set rivet set (owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com)
11. 07:37 AM - Re: BMA EFIS Light (D Paul Deits)
12. 08:16 AM - Re: BMA EFIS Light (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
13. 08:42 AM - Re: Advice on using an off-set rivet set (Karen and Robert Brown)
14. 09:00 AM - Re: BMA EFIS Light (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
15. 10:34 AM - Re: Advice on using an off-set rivet set (Barry Chapman)
16. 10:34 AM - Re: Advice on using an off-set rivet set (HCRV6@aol.com)
17. 10:37 AM - Re:Advice on using an off-set rivet set (Bob Hodgson)
18. 03:58 PM - Re: BMA EFIS Light (Brian Kraut)
19. 04:25 PM - Re: Aft Skirts (Jeff Dowling)
20. 04:26 PM - Re: Scud Running (Jeff Dowling)
21. 05:59 PM - Re: Advice on using an off-set rivet set (MLWynn@aol.com)
22. 06:37 PM - Re: Scud Running (Doug Rozendaal)
23. 07:09 PM - Anybody in the 209 need help ? (Mike D'Ambrogia)
24. 07:33 PM - Re: Scud Running (Bob 1)
25. 08:11 PM - Flluroescent Light Tach Calibration (Mike Holland)
26. 08:49 PM - Re: Scud Running (Ed Holyoke)
27. 09:00 PM - Re: Aft Skirts (Darrell Reiley)
28. 09:01 PM - Re: Flluroescent Light Tach Calibration (Vincent Osburn)
29. 09:04 PM - Re: Flluroescent Light Tach Calibration (Richard E. Tasker)
30. 10:04 PM - Re: Advice on using an off-set rivet set (Chris & Kellie Hand)
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| Subject: | Advice on using an off-set rivet set |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex & Gerry Peterson" <alexpeterson@earthlink.net>
> Hi folks
>
> I have a single universal head -6 rivet to set. An offset
> set gives me a
> much better angle to get to it. However, when I tried to use
> the thing in my
> practice piece, it rotated and jumped and was generally
> nearly impossible to
> control. Is there a trick to this?
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael Wynn
> RV-8, Empennage
> San Ramon, California
I NEVER found a way to make an offset rivet set work. Use a pop rivet or
bolt. I actually took a torch to mine and straightened it out, as I found
that a long set worked much better than trying to use the offset one. Some
of the repliers to your question may have missed the "offset" part.
Alex Peterson
RV6-A 611 hours
Maple Grove, MN
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alexpeterson/
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
I have a GRT, Dynon and G3, not in the same plane, so I have some good
comparison points.
Notes on the G3:
Butt ugly large in your face faceplate when not flush mounted
Moving map useless
Bugs and usability issues through out
Updates require a laptop and some techie know how
BMA service is abysmal.. full of promises unkept
HSI is phenomenal
Unit will not slave to a gps for NAV/Moving map function.
Mike
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Leonard
Subject: Re: RV-List: BMA EFIS Light
--> RV-List message posted by: David Leonard <wdleonard@gmail.com>
I have one (the EFIS G3 Lite), I like it alot and use it in IMC,
however that is only because I have a backup eletric AI (I use the
blumountain in HSI mode while in IMC). It does have some drift that I
think the company will work out. The moving map is next to worthless
right now, but will be improved.
But the HSI is the best, brightest and most usefule you can get for
less than $10k, and it is only $2.7k
Dave Leonard
On 4/25/05, Valovich, Paul <pvalovich@dcscorp.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Valovich, Paul"
<pvalovich@dcscorp.com>
>
> When I called Blue Mountain Avionics last week to inquire about their
> EFIS Light, I was told 85 units had already been shipped. Does anyone
> have any comments regarding installation / operation / reliability?
What
> about the autopilot option?
>
> Paul Valovich
>
> RV-8A QB Delivery Thursday
>
>
--
Wm. David Leonard
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| Subject: | Re: Advice on using an off-set rivet set |
--> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
In a message dated 4/25/05 10:04:12 PM Central Daylight Time, MLWynn@aol.com
writes:
> I have a single universal head -6 rivet to set. An offset set gives me a
> much better angle to get to it. However, when I tried to use the thing in
> my
> practice piece, it rotated and jumped and was generally nearly impossible to
>
> control. Is there a trick to this?
>>>
Taping the set/spring to the gun with aviation grade duct tape will keep the
set from rotating. I have even removed the spring and just wrapped tape
around the set to the gun barrel for them really tight spots & it worked well
enough. This proved very helpful for those pesky wing nose ribs. As others have
mentioned, pressure should be as low as needed to set the rivet. Many listers
have sung the merits of various cloth-based tapes used on the end of the set
(go to RV archives, search for "rivet & tape & hockey", grab a beer or two, and
enjoy the long read!) Plus, judicious use of concentration (focus, Luke- use
the force!) is occasionally required.
Mark Phillips
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| Subject: | Re: Advice on using an off-set rivet set |
--> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
In a message dated 4/25/05 10:04:12 PM Central Daylight Time, MLWynn@aol.com
writes:
> I have a single universal head -6 rivet to set. An offset set gives me a
> much better angle to get to it. However, when I tried to use the thing in
> my
> practice piece, it rotated and jumped and was generally nearly impossible to
>
> control. Is there a trick to this?
>>>
Taping the set/spring to the gun with aviation grade duct tape will keep the
set from rotating. I have even removed the spring and just wrapped tape
around the set to the gun barrel for them really tight spots & it worked well
enough. This proved very helpful for those pesky wing nose ribs. As others have
mentioned, pressure should be as low as needed to set the rivet. Many listers
have sung the merits of various cloth-based tapes used on the end of the set
(go to RV archives, search for "rivet & tape & hockey", grab a beer or two, and
enjoy the long read!) Plus, judicious use of concentration (focus, Luke- use
the force!) is occasionally required.
Mark Phillips
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| Subject: | Re: Advice on using an off-set rivet set |
--> RV-List message posted by: rv6fly <rv6fly@bresnan.net>
MLWynn@aol.com wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: MLWynn@aol.com
>
>Hi folks
>
>I have a single universal head -6 rivet to set. An offset set gives me a
>much better angle to get to it. However, when I tried to use the thing in my
>practice piece, it rotated and jumped and was generally nearly impossible to
>control. Is there a trick to this?
>
>
You've received good advice so far. I'd think along the lines of too
much pressure, too light of a bucking bar. Swivel sets are a bit more
difficult to use but can be mastered. Make sure your work is secured.
If you have to spend energy and attention on trying to control your
practice piece, the end results won't be very good. Also, try some
masking tape in the cupped face of the set. Masking tape on the factory
head of the rivet would be a second choice. Let everyone know if any of
the suggestions work for you.
Bob Skinner
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List Performance Settings RV6 Lyc 0360 w Hartzell Constant |
Speed
--> RV-List message posted by: LeastDrag93066@aol.com
Hi Tony,
For the Hartzell CS propeller on the Lyc. 360 engine at 7,500' and above,
2300 RPM and full throttle for maximum speed with best fuel economy.
Since the propeller pulls the aircraft through the air, and not the engine,
you asked a good question.
I have posted a chart of power settings, airspeeds and fuel flow at
_www.lessdrag.com_ (http://www.lessdrag.com) on the "Lycoming 360 Propeller" page.
You can see the performance trends on this chart taken on a RV-6A.
Regards,
Jim Ayers
In a message dated 04/26/2005 2:31:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
rv-list-digest@matronics.com writes:
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tony Marshall" <tony@lambros.com>
Repost...
My question has probably been addressed a 100 times, but I couldnt find it
in the archives, so here it is again....
RV6....What are the normal power/performance settings for my engine prop
combo? I realize MP is a function of altitude, but would be interested in
approximate expected settings (MP, RPM, Fuel Burn) at SL, 3000, 6000, 9000,
12000 for performance cruise 75%, economy cruise 65%.
Thanks for your assistance.
Tony Marshall
RV6
Polson, MT
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| Subject: | Re: Advice on using an off-set rivet set |
--> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
I disagree with Peterson's response on this. (sorry if this hurts your
feelings but it is the truth -- my apologies). The offset works just fine
if you know how to use it. You need to have good control of the piece you
are working with. Strap or vice grip it down if it is not enough mass to be
solid enough and steady to absorb the riveting when it occurs with out
moving. No one can rivet a moving target. Keep steady and solid pressure
on the rivet gun. It must be enough pressure that it will not bounce off
the rivet. Keep your angle perfect at 90 degrees. Keep the bucking bar on
it. You could start with lower pressure and adjust up if it is not setting
the rivet with a 1 second burst.
Summary: Most important is controlling the piece you are working on, then
keep your gun on the rivet. Works for me. Don't use pop rivets unless you
want to reduce the strength the plane designer had in mind.
By the time you realize that a parent was right, there is a child who
thinks you're wrong.
Indiana Larry, RV7 Tip Up FLYING - Phase 1
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex & Gerry Peterson" <alexpeterson@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Advice on using an off-set rivet set
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Alex & Gerry Peterson"
> <alexpeterson@earthlink.net>
>
>
>> Hi folks
>>
>> I have a single universal head -6 rivet to set. An offset
>> set gives me a
>> much better angle to get to it. However, when I tried to use
>> the thing in my
>> practice piece, it rotated and jumped and was generally
>> nearly impossible to
>> control. Is there a trick to this?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Michael Wynn
>> RV-8, Empennage
>> San Ramon, California
>
> I NEVER found a way to make an offset rivet set work. Use a pop rivet or
> bolt. I actually took a torch to mine and straightened it out, as I found
> that a long set worked much better than trying to use the offset one.
> Some
> of the repliers to your question may have missed the "offset" part.
>
> Alex Peterson
> RV6-A 611 hours
> Maple Grove, MN
>
> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alexpeterson/
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Advice on using an off-set rivet set |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
Michael,
I found it best to have a helper to buck the rivet, as I always needed my
other hand to hold the double offset.
Charlie Kuss
>--> RV-List message posted by: MLWynn@aol.com
>
>Hi folks
>
>I have a single universal head -6 rivet to set. An offset set gives me a
>much better angle to get to it. However, when I tried to use the thing in
>my
>practice piece, it rotated and jumped and was generally nearly impossible to
>control. Is there a trick to this?
>
>Regards,
>
>Michael Wynn
>RV-8, Empennage
>San Ramon, California
>
>
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| Subject: | Rotary engine for sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
I now have a 91 13B with automatic flywheel rebuilt using Bruce's Master
Rebuild kit for sale. I also have a Conversion Concepts engine mount for an
RV-6, 7 or 9 taildragger. I also have a set of drilled gear legs to fit
this engine mount. I'll sell the engine for $1500, the mount for $1200 and
the gear legs to go with the mount for Van's retail price and I'll pay the
shipping via Yellow Freight.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY i39
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
Finish kit
http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg
http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg
http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg
do not archive
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| Subject: | Advice on using an off-set rivet set |
--> RV-List message posted by:
Beg to differ - I have used the offset on 470 1/8" rivets near ribs - no
problem - trick is to push straight down on the gun, not towards the rivet.
Michle
RV8 - Fuselage
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alex & Gerry Peterson
> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 1:42 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV-List: Advice on using an off-set rivet set
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Alex & Gerry Peterson"
> <alexpeterson@earthlink.net>
>
>
> > Hi folks
> >
> > I have a single universal head -6 rivet to set. An offset
> > set gives me a
> > much better angle to get to it. However, when I tried to use
> > the thing in my
> > practice piece, it rotated and jumped and was generally
> > nearly impossible to
> > control. Is there a trick to this?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Michael Wynn
> > RV-8, Empennage
> > San Ramon, California
>
> I NEVER found a way to make an offset rivet set work. Use a pop rivet or
> bolt. I actually took a torch to mine and straightened it out, as I found
> that a long set worked much better than trying to use the offset one.
> Some
> of the repliers to your question may have missed the "offset" part.
>
> Alex Peterson
> RV6-A 611 hours
> Maple Grove, MN
>
> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alexpeterson/
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: BMA EFIS Light |
--> RV-List message posted by: "D Paul Deits" <pdeits@comcast.net>
A strong opinion. What is your opinion on the GRT and Dynon units?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
Subject: RE: RV-List: BMA EFIS Light
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)"
<mstewart@iss.net>
>
> I have a GRT, Dynon and G3, not in the same plane, so I have some good
> comparison points.
> Notes on the G3:
> Butt ugly large in your face faceplate when not flush mounted
> Moving map useless
> Bugs and usability issues through out
> Updates require a laptop and some techie know how
> BMA service is abysmal.. full of promises unkept
> HSI is phenomenal
> Unit will not slave to a gps for NAV/Moving map function.
>
>
> Mike
> Do not archive
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Leonard
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: BMA EFIS Light
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: David Leonard <wdleonard@gmail.com>
>
> I have one (the EFIS G3 Lite), I like it alot and use it in IMC,
> however that is only because I have a backup eletric AI (I use the
> blumountain in HSI mode while in IMC). It does have some drift that I
> think the company will work out. The moving map is next to worthless
> right now, but will be improved.
>
> But the HSI is the best, brightest and most usefule you can get for
> less than $10k, and it is only $2.7k
>
> Dave Leonard
>
> On 4/25/05, Valovich, Paul <pvalovich@dcscorp.com> wrote:
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Valovich, Paul"
> <pvalovich@dcscorp.com>
> >
> > When I called Blue Mountain Avionics last week to inquire about their
> > EFIS Light, I was told 85 units had already been shipped. Does anyone
> > have any comments regarding installation / operation / reliability?
> What
> > about the autopilot option?
> >
> > Paul Valovich
> >
> > RV-8A QB Delivery Thursday
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Wm. David Leonard
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
Well.
The GRT is very nice but I have an on-going concern for the display
quality being able to perform as an MFD against the likes of say an MX20
which I also have. The GRT is pretty darn cool. Service is great, docs
stink, folks are nice, and they have a bright future. They would be top
of class with a higher quality screen. By the time you lay weather and
traffic on the grt, the screen quality begins to show its limitations.
They are working to become an MFD, but until they change the screen, Im
afraid its just not going to happen in my eyes.
Dynon at it price and feature set is a nice unit also. I have about 800
hours on that in my 6 but it still 'leans' and is not as accurate as I
would like. The leaning has gotten better. But I still find it leaning
over about 3 degrees or so and that problem is still yet unresolved for
me. Pitch excursions are gone.
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of D Paul Deits
Subject: Re: RV-List: BMA EFIS Light
--> RV-List message posted by: "D Paul Deits" <pdeits@comcast.net>
A strong opinion. What is your opinion on the GRT and Dynon units?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
Subject: RE: RV-List: BMA EFIS Light
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)"
<mstewart@iss.net>
>
> I have a GRT, Dynon and G3, not in the same plane, so I have some good
> comparison points.
> Notes on the G3:
> Butt ugly large in your face faceplate when not flush mounted
> Moving map useless
> Bugs and usability issues through out
> Updates require a laptop and some techie know how
> BMA service is abysmal.. full of promises unkept
> HSI is phenomenal
> Unit will not slave to a gps for NAV/Moving map function.
>
>
> Mike
> Do not archive
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Leonard
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: BMA EFIS Light
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: David Leonard <wdleonard@gmail.com>
>
> I have one (the EFIS G3 Lite), I like it alot and use it in IMC,
> however that is only because I have a backup eletric AI (I use the
> blumountain in HSI mode while in IMC). It does have some drift that I
> think the company will work out. The moving map is next to worthless
> right now, but will be improved.
>
> But the HSI is the best, brightest and most usefule you can get for
> less than $10k, and it is only $2.7k
>
> Dave Leonard
>
> On 4/25/05, Valovich, Paul <pvalovich@dcscorp.com> wrote:
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Valovich, Paul"
> <pvalovich@dcscorp.com>
> >
> > When I called Blue Mountain Avionics last week to inquire about
their
> > EFIS Light, I was told 85 units had already been shipped. Does
anyone
> > have any comments regarding installation / operation / reliability?
> What
> > about the autopilot option?
> >
> > Paul Valovich
> >
> > RV-8A QB Delivery Thursday
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Wm. David Leonard
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Advice on using an off-set rivet set |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Karen and Robert Brown" <bkbrown@ashcreekwireless.com>
Hey Michael,
I'm in agreement with John Starn...gun control means using both hands...adjust
your air pressure correctly and, when you use the offset, hold the rivet set with
your "off" hand while riveting if possible. If it's not possible to steady
the set with your other hand, sometimes you can sort of push or pull the gun
sideways depending on which direction you want the set to be when you begin riveting.
Using the offset is kinda like a crosswind landing...you have to keep
track of lots of things at the same time.
Bob Brown
RV7A - wiring
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--> RV-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
I've been following BMA for years and have always been impressed with their level
of innovation. I also have planned on using their EFIS in my aircraft eventually.
However, I have been re-evaluating that decision more an more over the
last year or so for many reasons. Keep in mind as you read my issues below,
I have never bought a product from them nor have I had much direct contact.
I also would love for someone to dispel the below items as it would make me feel
better should I still decide on BMA
1) The cost of the ONE unit has gone up by 1/3 in about 2 years. Yes they have
added a fair amount of value and the price may be in line with what you get,
but it's still a large price hike. Not to mention the single screen Chelton
is now directly competing.
2) I have been routinely hearing of customer service issues.
3) I have seen myself some of Greg's ego issues which would seem to affect #2.
This is primarily BMA's "our way is right, period, the end" attitude that has
been showing up more and more. I like innovation in my aircraft, but I also
want something that is fairly well tested. Bleeding edge has no place in IMC.
4) I have also been routinely hearing of buggy software now and in the past. Not
something I want in an IFR environment.
5) The Sport and Lite seem to have too many non-useful features with a high price
tag. Doesn't do me any good to switch from the AI type screens to a Nav or
HSI screen and not have AI reference. Make more sense to drop the price down
and split it to multiple screens like GRT.
6) Never really liked how engine info was displayed on the ONE model
7) Would like the option of having external GPS for a reduced price rather than
the built in. Personally I would rather have multiple external sources than
the internal that isn't WAAS or IFR certified. Single point of failure in IMC
scares the hell out of me so no matter what I would have external sources.
I like BMA and still feel they have some of the best depictions. If GRT had
the 3D terrain and a cleaner display I would jump on it in a second. I'm hoping
that they go this route in the future. I also hope that BMA stops aggravating
their customers before they find they don't have anymore. They have a great
product, they just need to stop acting like it.
My 2 cents.
do not archive
________________________________
From: owner-rv-list-server@matrcs.com on behalf of Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)
Subject: RE: RV-List: BMA EFIS Light
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
I have a GRT, Dynon and G3, not in the same plane, so I have some good
comparison points.
Notes on the G3:
Butt ugly large in your face faceplate when not flush mounted
Moving map useless
Bugs and usability issues through out
Updates require a laptop and some techie know how
BMA service is abysmal.. full of promises unkept
HSI is phenomenal
Unit will not slave to a gps for NAV/Moving map function.
Mike
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Leonard
Subject: Re: RV-List: BMA EFIS Light
--> RV-List message posted by: David Leonard <wdleonard@gmail.com>
I have one (the EFIS G3 Lite), I like it alot and use it in IMC,
however that is only because I have a backup eletric AI (I use the
blumountain in HSI mode while in IMC). It does have some drift that I
think the company will work out. The moving map is next to worthless
right now, but will be improved.
But the HSI is the best, brightest and most usefule you can get for
less than $10k, and it is only $2.7k
Dave Leonard
On 4/25/05, Valovich, Paul <pvalovich@dcscorp.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Valovich, Paul"
<pvalovich@dcscorp.com>
>
> When I called Blue Mountain Avionics last week to inquire about their
> EFIS Light, I was told 85 units had already been shipped. Does anyone
> have any comments regarding installation / operation / reliability?
What
> about the autopilot option?
>
> Paul Valovich
>
> RV-8A QB Delivery Thursday
>
>
--
Wm. David Leonard
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| Subject: | Re: Advice on using an off-set rivet set |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Barry Chapman" <bcrnfnps@swoi.net>
Hi all,
It took me a while to find it, but I came across an old post on the RV-4
list (even shows photos):Sep 28 2003 Henry Hore Rivet-gun double
off-set holder for one hand opera... RV4
It looks like it would work/help.
Please let us know if you decide to build one and how it works.
Thanks
Barry Chapman
Just a wishin' and dreamin'
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex & Gerry Peterson" <alexpeterson@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Advice on using an off-set rivet set
>> Hi folks
>>
>> I have a single universal head -6 rivet to set. An offset
>> set gives me a
>> much better angle to get to it. However, when I tried to use
>> the thing in my
>> practice piece, it rotated and jumped and was generally
>> nearly impossible to
>> control. Is there a trick to this?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Michael Wynn
>> RV-8, Empennage
>> San Ramon, California
>
> I NEVER found a way to make an offset rivet set work. Use a pop rivet or
> bolt. I actually took a torch to mine and straightened it out, as I found
> that a long set worked much better than trying to use the offset one.
> Some
> of the repliers to your question may have missed the "offset" part.
>
> Alex Peterson
> RV6-A 611 hours
> Maple Grove, MN
>
> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alexpeterson/
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Advice on using an off-set rivet set |
--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
In a message dated 4/25/05 8:04:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time, MLWynn@aol.com
writes:
> I have a single universal head -6 rivet to set. An offset set gives me a
> much better angle to get to it. However, when I tried to use the thing in
> my
> practice piece, it rotated and jumped and was generally nearly impossible to
> control. Is there a trick to this?
>
> Mike: Masking tape in the cup of the set helps, but the best solution is to
> have someone else buck so that you can stabilize the set with two hands.
> Good luck.
>
> Harry Crosby
> RV-6 N16CX, 68 hours.
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| Subject: | Re:Advice on using an off-set rivet set |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Hodgson" <bob@hodgson252.freeserve.co.uk>
Mike,
Offset rivet sets do try to rotate unless you duct tape them to the gun at
around 45 deg, and/or restrain them with your other hand. Unless you're
over-endowed with hands, this may mean an assistant on the bucking bar!
Is this an AN470AD6-x or an AN470AD4-6 ? If it's a 3/16 diameter rivet, you
need a lot of pressure and at least a 4X gun, so it will need a VERY firm
grip to control it. Try leaning on it as you squeeze the trigger, and get
your assistant to allow the bar to bounce a little on the shop head rather
than hold it immovably against it.
FWIW, I use 35 psi for 3/32 and 45 for 1/8 (measured at the compressor).
Haven't had to do any 3/16, but would try 55 for a start, or buy a big
squeezer.
Good Luck,
Bob (UK)
RV3B (still 'finishing' . . )
----- Original Message ----- >
> Time: 08:02:50 PM PST US
> From: MLWynn@aol.com
> Subject: RV-List:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: MLWynn@aol.com
>
> Hi folks
>
> I have a single universal head -6 rivet to set. An offset set gives me a
> much better angle to get to it. However, when I tried to use the thing in
my
>
> practice piece, it rotated and jumped and was generally nearly impossible
to
> control. Is there a trick to this?
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael Wynn
> RV-8, Empennage
> San Ramon, California
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut@engalt.com>
So what do think of the GRT and Dynon in comparison?
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Stewart, Michael
(ISS Atlanta)
Subject: RE: RV-List: BMA EFIS Light
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)"
<mstewart@iss.net>
I have a GRT, Dynon and G3, not in the same plane, so I have some good
comparison points.
Notes on the G3:
Butt ugly large in your face faceplate when not flush mounted
Moving map useless
Bugs and usability issues through out
Updates require a laptop and some techie know how
BMA service is abysmal.. full of promises unkept
HSI is phenomenal
Unit will not slave to a gps for NAV/Moving map function.
Mike
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Leonard
Subject: Re: RV-List: BMA EFIS Light
--> RV-List message posted by: David Leonard <wdleonard@gmail.com>
I have one (the EFIS G3 Lite), I like it alot and use it in IMC,
however that is only because I have a backup eletric AI (I use the
blumountain in HSI mode while in IMC). It does have some drift that I
think the company will work out. The moving map is next to worthless
right now, but will be improved.
But the HSI is the best, brightest and most usefule you can get for
less than $10k, and it is only $2.7k
Dave Leonard
On 4/25/05, Valovich, Paul <pvalovich@dcscorp.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Valovich, Paul"
<pvalovich@dcscorp.com>
>
> When I called Blue Mountain Avionics last week to inquire about their
> EFIS Light, I was told 85 units had already been shipped. Does anyone
> have any comments regarding installation / operation / reliability?
What
> about the autopilot option?
>
> Paul Valovich
>
> RV-8A QB Delivery Thursday
>
>
--
Wm. David Leonard
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
The RV-ator has a trick. It talks about notching your first piece so you
can get an exact fit, then riveting a second thin piece to the first.
Shemp/Jeff Dowling
RV-6A, N915JD
190 hours
Chicago/Louisville
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pete Howell" <pete.howell@gecko-group.com>
Subject: RV-List: Aft Skirts
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Pete Howell" <pete.howell@gecko-group.com>
>
> Hello,
>
> Anybody have any neat tricks to get the proper curve in the aft slider
> skirts? I have the tops nailed, but the twist along the bottom part is
> vexing.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Pete Howell
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Scud Running |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
Do really get 175 kts at 1500 agl? What airplane/engine combo? Im guessing
thats map/rpm.
Shemp/Jeff Dowling
RV-6A, N915JD
190 hours
Chicago/Louisville
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Holyoke" <bicyclop@pacbell.net>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Scud Running
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" <bicyclop@pacbell.net>
>
> Hey Paul,
>
> No flame taken. I was pointing out a feature on the GPS which could help
> to save somebody's bacon at some point. I don't advocate scud running.
> Just so you understand, I was talking to Savannah approach at the time
> who warned me of the towers soon after I saw them and about the same
> time that the terrain window popped up. The visibility was 10 miles and
> the terrain (other than towers) was well - flat. Incidentally, ATC said
> not a word about the restricted area that I had to skate within a half
> mile of while giving berth to the towers and their invisible guy wires.
> I wonder if they would have violated me.
>
> I didn't really consider this flight to be a scud run. I saw it as a VFR
> flight in less than severe clear conditions. I tried to remain aware of
> the nearest airports and to keep options open. I monitored the fuel
> totalizer to make sure we had an adequate reserve. If I had thought that
> conditions were getting too bad, I would have diverted and/or landed.
> Earlier in the flight, we were on top of a broken layer which went
> solid. That made me very tense and a diversion to find a hole and
> descend was the better option in my opinion. I don't yet have an
> instrument rating and I did recently add an attitude indicator and wing
> leveler to the panel for insurance as well as the new GPS. No, I don't
> consider that a substitute for a rating and a clearance. On the other
> hand, if the conditions are doable and the forecast is for improvement
> along the route and you're not seeing evidence of worsening conditions,
> then perhaps it's not totally foolhardy to proceed.
>
> As I remember the Bill and Jeremy Benedict accident, they were in an
> airplane with no AI or autopilot and in hilly terrain when they got
> themselves into trouble. I don't think I'm smarter or better than them
> by any means. I just don't think that the situations were equivalent.
>
>
> Pax,
>
> Ed Holyoke
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Besing
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Scud Running
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <paul@kitlog.com>
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" <bicyclop@pacbell.net>
>
> When you're buzzing
> along at 175 kts at 1500 AGL under a deck and there's a row 1500 ft high
> towers in your path, it pops up a little window for terrain alert which
> is very timely. That's worth the cost of admission right there. --->
>
> Before someone jumps my case, understand this IS NOT a flame by any
> means,
> but an observation:
>
> Sorry, but as a CFII I have to chime in here. While that may be a worth
> while feature, buzzing along at 1500' AGL under a cloud deck and using a
> GPS
> to tell you where towers are, is not the best advice to be publishing in
> a
> public forum. (Not to mention, isn't the smartest thing to do anyway,
> remember Bill Benedict? It may be speculation, but it sounded like scud
> running to me)
>
> It makes my stomach cringe when people scud run that low to the ground,
> with
> potentially rising terrain and lowering clouds. I've already lost one
> fellow Army pilot and friend to that, and don't want to hear of another.
>
> Get an instrument rating and punch in the clouds, or turn around.
> Staying
> under the deck at 1500' AGL is asking for trouble.
>
> Off the soapbox now...
>
> Paul Besing
> RV-6A Sold
> Kitlog Builder's Software
> www.kitlog.com
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Advice on using an off-set rivet set |
--> RV-List message posted by: MLWynn@aol.com
This is all good advice. Thanks to all for taking the time.
Regards,
Michael Wynn
RV8 Empennage
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| Subject: | Re: Scud Running |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
There are no "numbers" that define scud running. It depends on the plane,
the pilot, the terrian, the pilots familiarity with the terrian, and the
combination of ceiling and visibility.
For a crop duster close to home 200 and a mile might be perfectly safe. For
a flat-lander in the mountains 3000 and 10 might be suicide.
It all depends, and it is really about risk management. John and Martha
King have a good CD out about risk management. It is well worth watching
and might get you a discount on your insurance.
Tailwinds,
Doug Rozendaal
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Scud Running
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling"
<shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
>
> Do really get 175 kts at 1500 agl? What airplane/engine combo? Im
guessing
> thats map/rpm.
>
> Shemp/Jeff Dowling
> RV-6A, N915JD
> 190 hours
> Chicago/Louisville
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ed Holyoke" <bicyclop@pacbell.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: RV-List: Scud Running
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" <bicyclop@pacbell.net>
> >
> > Hey Paul,
> >
> > No flame taken. I was pointing out a feature on the GPS which could help
> > to save somebody's bacon at some point. I don't advocate scud running.
> > Just so you understand, I was talking to Savannah approach at the time
> > who warned me of the towers soon after I saw them and about the same
> > time that the terrain window popped up. The visibility was 10 miles and
> > the terrain (other than towers) was well - flat. Incidentally, ATC said
> > not a word about the restricted area that I had to skate within a half
> > mile of while giving berth to the towers and their invisible guy wires.
> > I wonder if they would have violated me.
> >
> > I didn't really consider this flight to be a scud run. I saw it as a VFR
> > flight in less than severe clear conditions. I tried to remain aware of
> > the nearest airports and to keep options open. I monitored the fuel
> > totalizer to make sure we had an adequate reserve. If I had thought that
> > conditions were getting too bad, I would have diverted and/or landed.
> > Earlier in the flight, we were on top of a broken layer which went
> > solid. That made me very tense and a diversion to find a hole and
> > descend was the better option in my opinion. I don't yet have an
> > instrument rating and I did recently add an attitude indicator and wing
> > leveler to the panel for insurance as well as the new GPS. No, I don't
> > consider that a substitute for a rating and a clearance. On the other
> > hand, if the conditions are doable and the forecast is for improvement
> > along the route and you're not seeing evidence of worsening conditions,
> > then perhaps it's not totally foolhardy to proceed.
> >
> > As I remember the Bill and Jeremy Benedict accident, they were in an
> > airplane with no AI or autopilot and in hilly terrain when they got
> > themselves into trouble. I don't think I'm smarter or better than them
> > by any means. I just don't think that the situations were equivalent.
> >
> >
> > Pax,
> >
> > Ed Holyoke
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Besing
> > To: rv-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RV-List: Scud Running
> >
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <paul@kitlog.com>
> >
> >
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" <bicyclop@pacbell.net>
> >
> > When you're buzzing
> > along at 175 kts at 1500 AGL under a deck and there's a row 1500 ft high
> > towers in your path, it pops up a little window for terrain alert which
> > is very timely. That's worth the cost of admission right there. --->
> >
> > Before someone jumps my case, understand this IS NOT a flame by any
> > means,
> > but an observation:
> >
> > Sorry, but as a CFII I have to chime in here. While that may be a worth
> > while feature, buzzing along at 1500' AGL under a cloud deck and using a
> > GPS
> > to tell you where towers are, is not the best advice to be publishing in
> > a
> > public forum. (Not to mention, isn't the smartest thing to do anyway,
> > remember Bill Benedict? It may be speculation, but it sounded like scud
> > running to me)
> >
> > It makes my stomach cringe when people scud run that low to the ground,
> > with
> > potentially rising terrain and lowering clouds. I've already lost one
> > fellow Army pilot and friend to that, and don't want to hear of another.
> >
> > Get an instrument rating and punch in the clouds, or turn around.
> > Staying
> > under the deck at 1500' AGL is asking for trouble.
> >
> > Off the soapbox now...
> >
> > Paul Besing
> > RV-6A Sold
> > Kitlog Builder's Software
> > www.kitlog.com
> >
> > do not archive
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Anybody in the 209 need help ? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike D'Ambrogia" <miked@jamagination.com>
All,
Like to see what bucking rivets is all about before I get too deep into
fantasizing about a -7/-8. If somebody in the 209 area code needs a
warm body to help out let me know
Thanks
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: Scud Running |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob 1" <rv3a.1@comcast.net>
For a crop duster close to home 200 and a mile might be perfectly safe. For
a flat-lander in the mountains 3000 and 10 might be suicide.
It all depends, and it is really about risk management. John and Martha
King have a good CD out about risk management. It is well worth watching
and might get you a discount on your insurance.
Tailwinds,
Doug Rozendaal
---------------------------
Speaking as a crop duster... 200 and a mile from home is as safe as CAVU.
If anybody knows of an insurance company currently offering a discount for
taking the King thing, please point me in the direction.
Bob
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| Subject: | Flluroescent Light Tach Calibration |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Holland" <hollandm@pacbell.net>
I know that I've read someplace that you can calibrate a tach using a 60hz fluorescent
light. Can anyone give me the two blade rpms that will stop the prop?
I need to calibrate a tach.
Thanks
Mike Holland
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" <bicyclop@pacbell.net>
O-320/Sensinitch. If you look at Van's performance specs for a 160 hp
RV-6, that's exactly the top speed he lists. I've only seen faster in
descents and tailwinds. I saw some 130 kt groundspeeds on the way home.
I hate headwinds.
Ed Holyoke
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Dowling
Subject: Re: RV-List: Scud Running
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling"
<shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
Do really get 175 kts at 1500 agl? What airplane/engine combo? Im
guessing
thats map/rpm.
Shemp/Jeff Dowling
RV-6A, N915JD
190 hours
Chicago/Louisville
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Holyoke" <bicyclop@pacbell.net>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Scud Running
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" <bicyclop@pacbell.net>
>
> Hey Paul,
>
> No flame taken. I was pointing out a feature on the GPS which could
help
> to save somebody's bacon at some point. I don't advocate scud running.
> Just so you understand, I was talking to Savannah approach at the time
> who warned me of the towers soon after I saw them and about the same
> time that the terrain window popped up. The visibility was 10 miles
and
> the terrain (other than towers) was well - flat. Incidentally, ATC
said
> not a word about the restricted area that I had to skate within a half
> mile of while giving berth to the towers and their invisible guy
wires.
> I wonder if they would have violated me.
>
> I didn't really consider this flight to be a scud run. I saw it as a
VFR
> flight in less than severe clear conditions. I tried to remain aware
of
> the nearest airports and to keep options open. I monitored the fuel
> totalizer to make sure we had an adequate reserve. If I had thought
that
> conditions were getting too bad, I would have diverted and/or landed.
> Earlier in the flight, we were on top of a broken layer which went
> solid. That made me very tense and a diversion to find a hole and
> descend was the better option in my opinion. I don't yet have an
> instrument rating and I did recently add an attitude indicator and
wing
> leveler to the panel for insurance as well as the new GPS. No, I don't
> consider that a substitute for a rating and a clearance. On the other
> hand, if the conditions are doable and the forecast is for improvement
> along the route and you're not seeing evidence of worsening
conditions,
> then perhaps it's not totally foolhardy to proceed.
>
> As I remember the Bill and Jeremy Benedict accident, they were in an
> airplane with no AI or autopilot and in hilly terrain when they got
> themselves into trouble. I don't think I'm smarter or better than them
> by any means. I just don't think that the situations were equivalent.
>
>
> Pax,
>
> Ed Holyoke
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Besing
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Scud Running
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <paul@kitlog.com>
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" <bicyclop@pacbell.net>
>
> When you're buzzing
> along at 175 kts at 1500 AGL under a deck and there's a row 1500 ft
high
> towers in your path, it pops up a little window for terrain alert
which
> is very timely. That's worth the cost of admission right there. --->
>
> Before someone jumps my case, understand this IS NOT a flame by any
> means,
> but an observation:
>
> Sorry, but as a CFII I have to chime in here. While that may be a
worth
> while feature, buzzing along at 1500' AGL under a cloud deck and using
a
> GPS
> to tell you where towers are, is not the best advice to be publishing
in
> a
> public forum. (Not to mention, isn't the smartest thing to do anyway,
> remember Bill Benedict? It may be speculation, but it sounded like
scud
> running to me)
>
> It makes my stomach cringe when people scud run that low to the
ground,
> with
> potentially rising terrain and lowering clouds. I've already lost one
> fellow Army pilot and friend to that, and don't want to hear of
another.
>
> Get an instrument rating and punch in the clouds, or turn around.
> Staying
> under the deck at 1500' AGL is asking for trouble.
>
> Off the soapbox now...
>
> Paul Besing
> RV-6A Sold
> Kitlog Builder's Software
> www.kitlog.com
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
And which issue might that be?
Jeff Dowling <shempdowling2@earthlink.net> wrote:--> RV-List message posted by:
"Jeff Dowling"
The RV-ator has a trick. It talks about notching your first piece so you
can get an exact fit, then riveting a second thin piece to the first.
Shemp/Jeff Dowling
RV-6A, N915JD
190 hours
Chicago/Louisville
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pete Howell"
Subject: RV-List: Aft Skirts
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Pete Howell"
>
> Hello,
>
> Anybody have any neat tricks to get the proper curve in the aft slider
> skirts? I have the tops nailed, but the twist along the bottom part is
> vexing.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Pete Howell
>
>
>
Darrell Reiley
Round Rock, Texas
RV 7A #70125
N622DR (reserved)
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| Subject: | Flluroescent Light Tach Calibration |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Vincent Osburn" <flyby41@earthlink.net>
I know a fluorescent light flashes 60 times a second or 3600 times a
minute or in other words 60 cycles as electricty is produced. Pointing an
optical tach at a flourescent light is a fair way to calibrate the tach at
3600 RPM's but I don't know how it would relate to a two bladed prop? Maybe
the blade would appear to stop in some division of 3600 RPM's, at 1800
RPM's perhaps or maybe at 900 R's?
> [Original Message]
> From: Mike Holland <hollandm@pacbell.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 4/26/2005 8:10:16 PM
> Subject: RV-List: Flluroescent Light Tach Calibration
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Holland" <hollandm@pacbell.net>
>
> I know that I've read someplace that you can calibrate a tach using a
60hz fluorescent light. Can anyone give me the two blade rpms that will
stop the prop? I need to calibrate a tach.
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Mike Holland
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flluroescent Light Tach Calibration |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard E. Tasker" <retasker@optonline.net>
Unless I am mistaken the lowest is 3600 RPM.
Fluorescent lights flash at a 120 Hz rate (twice the line rate since
there are two peaks per cycle). This is 8.33 milliseconds between
peaks. For the propeller to go halfway around so the alternate blade is
in the same position in that time, it has to be rotating at 3600 RPM.
That is 60 RPS or 16.66 milliseconds all the way around or 8.33
milliseconds halfway around. It is also too fast.
You can also use 1800 RPM and the prop would look "stopped", but then
you would see four blades because the prop would rotate only 90 degrees
between peaks. This is a safer (and attainable) RPM.
Likewise you can use proportionally lower RPMs and "see" even more
blades. Basically, calculate how far around the prop will go in 8.33
milliseconds for any RPM and see if the blades would look "stopped".
For example at 1200 RPM it takes the prop 50 milliseconds for one
revolution of the prop. During that time, the lights will peak 50/8.33 =
6 times, which means that the prop rotates 60 per flash. That means
you will "see" six blades. At 2400 RPM it takes 25 milliseconds which
gives three times or 120 per flash. This will also look like 6 blades.
Hopefully this hasn't confused you more than helped. There are lots of
RPMs where the blades will look stopped - just depends on how many
"blades" you want to see. All of the above is applicable to two blade
props only, although the analysis is similar for other numbers.
Dick
Mike Holland wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Holland" <hollandm@pacbell.net>
>
>I know that I've read someplace that you can calibrate a tach using a 60hz fluorescent
light. Can anyone give me the two blade rpms that will stop the prop?
I need to calibrate a tach.
>
>Thanks
>
>
>Mike Holland
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Advice on using an off-set rivet set |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Chris & Kellie Hand" <ckhand@earthlink.net>
I have had similar trouble with the offset rivet set, but turning the
pressure down a little, practicing, and being real careful with my grip on
the gun and bucking bar has usually worked for me. Still is easier with the
straight set....
Chris Hand
RV-6A, finishing kit
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex & Gerry Peterson" <alexpeterson@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Advice on using an off-set rivet set
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Alex & Gerry Peterson"
<alexpeterson@earthlink.net>
>
>
> > Hi folks
> >
> > I have a single universal head -6 rivet to set. An offset
> > set gives me a
> > much better angle to get to it. However, when I tried to use
> > the thing in my
> > practice piece, it rotated and jumped and was generally
> > nearly impossible to
> > control. Is there a trick to this?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Michael Wynn
> > RV-8, Empennage
> > San Ramon, California
>
> I NEVER found a way to make an offset rivet set work. Use a pop rivet or
> bolt. I actually took a torch to mine and straightened it out, as I found
> that a long set worked much better than trying to use the offset one.
Some
> of the repliers to your question may have missed the "offset" part.
>
> Alex Peterson
> RV6-A 611 hours
> Maple Grove, MN
>
> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alexpeterson/
>
>
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