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1. 02:53 AM - Re: Re:Advice on using an off-set rivet set (Doug Gray)
2. 03:04 AM - Re: Fuel Purge Line Question (owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com)
3. 04:55 AM - Re: Flluroescent Light Tach Calibration (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
4. 04:56 AM - Airport Identifier List (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
5. 06:47 AM - Re: Airport Identifier List (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
6. 07:06 AM - Re: QB Fuse Work (Charles Rowbotham)
7. 07:07 AM - Re: Airport Identifier List (Steve Struyk)
8. 07:15 AM - Trimming lower cowl top flange (RSamuelson@aol.com)
9. 07:25 AM - Re: Airport Identifier List (james frierson)
10. 07:40 AM - non rv related,but cool (Jeff Dowling)
11. 07:54 AM - Re: non rv related,but cool (Jeff Dowling)
12. 08:36 AM - Subject: Top Flange of Lower Cowl ()
13. 09:30 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Purge Line Question (Ted Lumpkin)
14. 10:20 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Purge Line Question (Bob)
15. 10:47 AM - Re: QB Fuse Work (Darrell Reiley)
16. 12:24 PM - Re: QB Fuse Work (Tim Olson)
17. 01:00 PM - Belt Sander Question & Tool Resource (Brad Oliver)
18. 01:58 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Purge Line Question (Dwight Frye)
19. 02:09 PM - Oily soot in lft tailpipe (Charles Heathco)
20. 02:36 PM - Re: Belt Sander Question & Tool Resource (Walter Tondu)
21. 02:44 PM - Re: Oily soot in lft tailpipe (linn walters)
22. 02:56 PM - Re: Oily soot in lft tailpipe (John D. Heath)
23. 02:57 PM - Re: Belt Sander Question & Tool Resource (Jerry Hansen)
24. 03:27 PM - Control sticks with bend/left-hand throttle quadrant (Paul Folbrecht)
25. 04:11 PM - Re: Belt Sander Question & Tool Resource (rv6fly)
26. 04:33 PM - Re: Control sticks with bend/left-hand throttle (Ron Lee)
27. 04:49 PM - Re: Belt Sander Question & Tool Resource (Brad Oliver)
28. 05:20 PM - Re: Control sticks with bend/left-hand throttle quadrant (Rob Prior (rv7))
29. 06:41 PM - Re: Control sticks with bend/left-hand throttle quadrant (son hoang)
30. 06:41 PM - Re: Control sticks with bend/left-hand throttle quadrant (Bill Schlatterer)
31. 06:48 PM - Re: Control sticks with bend/left-hand throttle quadrant (Kyle Boatright)
32. 06:59 PM - Re: Control sticks with bend/left-hand throttle quadrant (linn walters)
33. 07:56 PM - Re: Control sticks with bend/left-hand throttle quadrant (Paul Folbrecht)
34. 07:56 PM - Re: Control sticks with bend/left-hand throttle quadrant (Paul Folbrecht)
35. 07:57 PM - Re: Control sticks with bend/left-hand throttle quadrant (Paul Folbrecht)
36. 08:00 PM - Re: Control sticks with bend/left-hand throttle quadrant (Paul Folbrecht)
37. 08:02 PM - Re: Control sticks with bend/left-hand throttle quadrant (Paul Folbrecht)
38. 08:10 PM - Re: Control sticks with bend/left-hand throttle quadrant (son hoang)
39. 08:31 PM - Re: Control sticks with bend/left-hand throttle quadrant (LARRY ADAMSON)
40. 08:45 PM - Re: Control sticks with bend/left-hand throttle (Ron Lee)
41. 09:17 PM - Re: Control sticks with bend/left-hand throttle quadrant (Ed Holyoke)
42. 09:17 PM - 3/16 rivets and a 2X gun (MLWynn@aol.com)
43. 09:42 PM - Re: Control sticks with bend/left-hand throttle quadrant (Paul Folbrecht)
44. 10:16 PM - Re: 3/16 rivets and a 2X gun (Jim Oke)
45. 10:16 PM - Re: Control sticks with bend/left-hand throttle quadrant (Ed Holyoke)
46. 10:25 PM - Re: Control sticks with bend/left-hand throttle quadrant (Jim Oke)
47. 11:26 PM - Re: 3/16 rivets and a 2X gun (Jim Jewell)
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| Subject: | Re:Advice on using an off-set rivet set |
--> RV-List message posted by: Doug Gray <dgra1233@bigpond.net.au>
Hmmmm....
I use as a starting point approx 25psi for 3/32, 40psi for 1/8 and I noted when
doing my '6
mainspars I used 75psi for the 3/16" rivets. Pressures are at the compressor.
No difficulty setting the large rivets with a gun but I did need eardefenders;
and before I was done
my neightbours kids had begun throwing rocks (small ones) at me. It was a tad
noisy.
For the record I wouldn't dream of using an offset set for the 3/16" rivets. It's
just too much
energy to keep under control.
Doug Gray
Bob Hodgson wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Hodgson" <bob@hodgson252.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> Mike,
> Offset rivet sets do try to rotate unless you duct tape them to the gun at
> around 45 deg, and/or restrain them with your other hand. Unless you're
> over-endowed with hands, this may mean an assistant on the bucking bar!
>
> Is this an AN470AD6-x or an AN470AD4-6 ? If it's a 3/16 diameter rivet, you
> need a lot of pressure and at least a 4X gun, so it will need a VERY firm
> grip to control it. Try leaning on it as you squeeze the trigger, and get
> your assistant to allow the bar to bounce a little on the shop head rather
> than hold it immovably against it.
>
> FWIW, I use 35 psi for 3/32 and 45 for 1/8 (measured at the compressor).
> Haven't had to do any 3/16, but would try 55 for a start, or buy a big
> squeezer.
>
> Good Luck,
> Bob (UK)
> RV3B (still 'finishing' . . )
>
> ----- Original Message ----- >
>
>>Time: 08:02:50 PM PST US
>>From: MLWynn@aol.com
>>Subject: RV-List:
>>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: MLWynn@aol.com
>>
>>Hi folks
>>
>>I have a single universal head -6 rivet to set. An offset set gives me a
>>much better angle to get to it. However, when I tried to use the thing in
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> my
>
>>practice piece, it rotated and jumped and was generally nearly impossible
>
> to
>
>>control. Is there a trick to this?
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Michael Wynn
>>RV-8, Empennage
>>San Ramon, California
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| Subject: | Fuel Purge Line Question |
--> RV-List message posted by:
Fuel purge line or fuel return line.
I've provided for a fuel return line in my RV8 tanks but have not decided
what to do with them. Simplest thing is to just plug them up if I chose not
to use them. However a thought occurred to me - why not use them as an
alternate vent tube - a back up on the original vent tube just in case it
plugs up. I could do this by running a line into the fuselage and tee off to
the outside with a check valve so that flow should be only towards the tank.
The body of the T would be a vent with a check valve along the way, one arm
of the T would go to the fuel tank return and the other arm would be
plugged. If I do decide to use the fuel return line for returning fuel, I'd
put a dual level fuel selector valve (Andair) instead of a single level, and
route returning fuel on the T. The vent back up would still serve its
function and the check valve would prevent fuel form going out instead of
being routed back into the tank it came from. This of course depends on the
quality of the check valve.
One detail, I built my fuel return so that the fuel returns into the top
most part in the rear of the last bay, near the filler cap.
This is just an idea - comments anyone?
Michele,
RV8 Fuselage
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of linn walters
> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 10:31 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel Purge Line Question
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
>
> Dwight Frye wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: Dwight Frye <dwight@openweave.org>
> >
> >I have seen a number of approaches to handling the fuel return
> >for the purge line in fuel injected setups. I have seen things
> >arranged such that the line T's into the supply line of one tank
> >(the one not currently being used, say, the left). I have also
> >seen things arranged so that the fuel purges back all the way into
> >the tank which is selected.
> >
> >I have a few questions. I suspect that the perferred solution might
> >be to have purge lines run all the way back to the tank. However,
> >it does add weight (more fuel lines, more fittings, etc.) to the
> >setup. Choosing to just T the line into the left tank, and always
> >purge with the supply set on the right tank ... while not as elegant,
> >is clearly simpler. It does require that the pilot always remember
> >to set the correct tank if they perform a purge.
> >
> >I am looking for opinions on what the pros and cons are of the various
> >choices for handling the purge line.
> >
> >Finally, if I *do* run a line out to the tank(s), how do I best terminate
> >the line? I have wondered if there is any risk of somehow siphoning fuel
> >out of the tanks if I place the end of the purge line poorly. I assume
> >that the purge valve, at a minimum, would stop any siphoning. If this
> >is true, it seems that the simple solution would be to just add an AN
> >fitting on the tank cover with no internal line at all in the tank
> >itself. Is it that simple to terminate? What am I missing here?
> >
> >Thanks!
> >
> > -- Dwight
> >
> >do not archive
> >
> Not sure what the 'purge' line is. Some FI systems return excess fuel
> to the tank. If we're on the same page, why not loop the return back to
> the feed between the selector and the pump ..... after the fuel flow
> sensor, if you have one???
> Linn
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| Subject: | Re: Flluroescent Light Tach Calibration |
--> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
In a message dated 4/26/05 11:06:04 PM Central Daylight Time,
retasker@optonline.net writes:
> Can anyone give me the two blade rpms that will stop the prop? I need to
> calibrate a tach.
>
>>>>
From the Grand Rapids EIS4000 User's Manual, Section 6.2:
(for 60Hz)
2-blade prop:
600
720
1200
1440
1800
3600
3-blade prop:
240
300
480
600
1200
2400
Their procedure states: "A simple test to help verify the RPM readings are
accurate can be made by running the engine at night, and looking through the
propeller at a flourescent or mercury vapor light. The pulsation of the light
will make the propeller to appear to (be) stopped at various RPMs."
Mark
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| Subject: | Airport Identifier List |
--> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
Can anyone point to or provide a simple list of domestic airport identifiers
that provide service to commercial carriers? An hour of googling leads to
many sources of look-up functions, but no simple list that can be printed out for
for portablility.
Also, I could use a list of the domestic Airline identifiers serving these
facilities, again just a list, not a box to punch in an airline and return the
appropriate ID.
Thanks!
Mark Phillips - do not archive
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| Subject: | Airport Identifier List |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
Hacking the AOPA database leads me to believe this data is not stored
and supplied by the FAA to DB's we might normaly have access to.
So if you could provide me with some data to query that might give you a
sense, I could run that and give you a text file output for carrying
around.
As an example, I ran a query against all airports paved, lighted,
runways>5999', with instrument approaches and JetA.
But I have no way to determine if there is commercial service as this
specific data point is not available.
Give me a list of criteria for an airport that a commercial carrier
might meet that we have data on and Ill punch one out for ya.
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Fiveonepw@aol.com
Subject: RV-List: Airport Identifier List
--> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
Can anyone point to or provide a simple list of domestic airport
identifiers
that provide service to commercial carriers? An hour of googling leads
to
many sources of look-up functions, but no simple list that can be
printed out for
for portablility.
Also, I could use a list of the domestic Airline identifiers serving
these
facilities, again just a list, not a box to punch in an airline and
return the
appropriate ID.
Thanks!
Mark Phillips - do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" <crowbotham@hotmail.com>
Scott,
We ordered our finish kit with our QB fuse together and were glad we did. It
help the work flow much smoother.
Good Building,
Chuck Rowbotham
RV-8A
>From: "" <tx_jayhawk@excite.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: QB Fuse Work
>Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 21:01:46 -0400 (EDT)
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "" <tx_jayhawk@excite.com>
>
> All, I have my SB wings and tail completed, and I am expecting my QB fuse
>in June. I have been debating about whether or not it makes sense to go
>ahead and order the finishing kit as well to ship with the fuse. Can
>anyone comment on the amount of work left on the QB fuse (assuming you have
>no engine, avionics, or finishing kit)? Will I find that I need the
>finishing kit (or other items) very quickly? What would be the preferred
>order of purchase (finish, engine, or panel stuff). I am planning avionics
>last, as it changes so quickly. Thanks,Scott7A
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Airport Identifier List |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Struyk" <rv8striker@hotmail.com>
Mark,
I don't know if this is exactly what you're looking for but it may help. Try
this link:
http://www.airnav.com/
Do not archive.
Steve Struyk
St. Charles, MO
RV-8, Finish
----- Original Message -----
From: <Fiveonepw@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: Airport Identifier List
> --> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
>
> Can anyone point to or provide a simple list of domestic airport
> identifiers
> that provide service to commercial carriers? An hour of googling leads to
> many sources of look-up functions, but no simple list that can be printed
> out for
> for portablility.
>
> Also, I could use a list of the domestic Airline identifiers serving these
> facilities, again just a list, not a box to punch in an airline and return
> the
> appropriate ID.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Mark Phillips - do not archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Trimming lower cowl top flange |
--> RV-List message posted by: RSamuelson@aol.com
I'll answer my own question to get it in the archieves.
Don't trim the top of the cowl beyond the flange at least not until it is
fitted everywhere else. As received from Van's, mine had very little overlap
between the upper and lower cowl. Had I trimmed another quarter inch they might
not join together.
I'll try to mix up some epoxy microballons (or something) to fill in this
small area.
Roy Samuelson
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| Subject: | Airport Identifier List |
--> RV-List message posted by: "james frierson" <tn3639@hotmail.com>
Try AIRNAV.com. I not sure about printing out a list but it does have some
sorting function that may give you the info you are looking for.
Scott
do not archive
>From: Fiveonepw@aol.com
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: Airport Identifier List
>Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 07:56:18 EDT
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
>
>Can anyone point to or provide a simple list of domestic airport
>identifiers
>that provide service to commercial carriers? An hour of googling leads to
>many sources of look-up functions, but no simple list that can be printed
>out for
>for portablility.
>
>Also, I could use a list of the domestic Airline identifiers serving these
>facilities, again just a list, not a box to punch in an airline and return
>the
>appropriate ID.
>
>Thanks!
>
>Mark Phillips - do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | non rv related,but cool |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
do not archive
I didnt believe this, so I had to try it.
You can open your car doors using your remote via a phone. It's nice to know if
you lock yourself out. Call home and have someone press the unlock button while
you hold the phone up to the car. I didnt believe it so I tried it, and
it worked! Now, how does it work?????
Shemp/Jeff Dowling
RV-6A, N915JD
190 hours
Chicago/Louisville
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| Subject: | Re: non rv related,but cool |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
Well, I tried it again and this time it didnt work. Oh well.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
Subject: RV-List: non rv related,but cool
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling"
> <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
>
> do not archive
>
> I didnt believe this, so I had to try it.
>
> You can open your car doors using your remote via a phone. It's nice to
> know if you lock yourself out. Call home and have someone press the
> unlock button while you hold the phone up to the car. I didnt believe it
> so I tried it, and it worked! Now, how does it work?????
>
> Shemp/Jeff Dowling
> RV-6A, N915JD
> 190 hours
> Chicago/Louisville
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Top Flange of Lower Cowl |
--> RV-List message posted by: <kbob@cox.net>
Hi Roy,
I am at this exact point in mounting my cowl and will share my experience on the
O-320-6A pre-preg cowl...
The top cowl was not cut at all along the horizontal seams, just edge sanded &
fit at the firewall.
Then to the lower cowl: I cut the flange on the seam right to the line. It is
a little rough in spots with air bubbles, pinholes & rounding. When the lower
cowl was finally trimmed & fit this seam needed almost no more trimming. Only
spot sanding to get the seam tight. I will need to fill the edge bubbles and
pinholes to make it nice. Any further trimming would have been too much. It
is slightly rounded in spots.
You really need to take this cowl on and off at least a dozen times and trim 1/16"
here and there until it is good. It is good practice for the future when you
will be removing it for maintenance. And it will make you happy you didn't
build a plastic plane ;-)
Kelly Patterson
PHX, AZ N716K
RV-6A FWF
From: RSamuelson@aol.com
Subject: RV-List: Top Flange of Lower Cowl
--> RV-List message posted by: RSamuelson@aol.com
Any advice on triming off the top flange of the lower cowl for an O-360
engine. I think the same cowl is used on the RV-6, 7 and 8. Cutting off just the
flange leaves a rounded edge at the top of the lower cowl. Should I trim off a
little more to get a square edge?
Thanks for the help
Roy Samuelson
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Purge Line Question |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ted Lumpkin <tlump51@sbcglobal.net>
Greg,
Good points. Regarding failure modes, in my view if the purge valve works open
in flight the engine is going to quit regardless of where your return line is
plumbed (at least with the Airflow Performance system). Although the vent line
is slightly pressurized in flight, it's pressure is much lower than the 20
- 40 psi that the fuel system is running at. It's very unlikely that air from
the vent line would be "sucked" into a pressurized system.
I believe Mike Stewart mentioned that he had a problem with a cracked purge return
line allowing air into the system, but I believe his purge line was routed
back to the fuel supply line, not the vent.
Ted
Greg Young <gyoung@cs-sol.com> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: "Greg Young"
I definitely would NOT tee the purge line into the vent line. I tee'd it to the
vent line on my first but will route it to the tank on the Phoenix. There is
a lot of discussion on it in the archives on approaches and the possible failure
modes. The concensus safest approach was to return the purge to the tank near
the bottom so that the line would always be immersed in fuel. This is to preclude
the possibility of injesting air if the purge valve leaks or works open
in flight. Remember the vent line is slightly pressurized in flight. It might
be a low probability event but the consequence could ruin your day.
Regards,
Greg Young - Houston (DWH)
RV-6 N6GY - project Phoenix
Navion N5221K - just an XXL RV-6A
--> RV-List message posted by: Ted Lumpkin >
Dwight,
I am using an Airflow Performance injection system. I simply routed the line from
the purge valve to a 'T' into the vent line on my right tank. If you put
the 'T' at the low (tank) side of the vertical loop of the vent line, the pump
will send fuel into the tank through the vent with the valve on the "purge" setting.
The vertical loop in the vent line will keep the fuel from being pumped
onto the ground. With the purge valve at the "run" setting the tank will vent
normally.
If your tanks are full, your fuel selector must be set on the tank the purge valve
will send the fuel to (in my case the right tank) or you will overflow the
opposite tank. This will create a closed loop with cool fuel being sucked from
the tank while the hot fuel is pumped in through the vent. If your tanks aren't
full it doesn't make any difference. It will just pump fuel from one tank
to the other. This has worked fine for me, but I have yet to do any hot starts
in temperatures above 80 degrees.
E-mail me off line if you'd like pictures.
Ted
RV-4
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Purge Line Question |
clamav-milter version 0.80j
on opie.wvnet.edu
--> RV-List message posted by: Bob <panamared3@brier.net>
Just last night I was talking to Don Rivera of Airflow performance about
the purge system. If you use his system he gives you a plumbing diagram,
which states to run the purge line to a T in the right tank feed line
before the fuel selector and or fuel filter. Use left tank for purging and
shutdown.
As for fuel totalizer. The amount of fuel during a purge is very small,
measured in ounces. He told me that the during the purge process you will
be moving fuel at about 3 to 4 GPH. 3 GPH is about 6 oz per minute.
Also Don recommends flexible hose from purge valve to firewall and then
aluminum tubing inside cockpit. Cheaper and lighter than flex all the way,
and aluminum tube in front of firewall is subject to cracking.
If you use a gascolator, call Don. He did ask me if I used one, when I
told him I didn't we dropped the subject. I think there is more to the story!
For more what ifs and best practices call Don. He is a great guy to talk
to and he really knows all the answers.
For those who are true experimenters, experiment away and let us know the
results. If you only want to do it once and have confidence that it will
work right the first time, follow manufactures instructions.
Bob
RV6 NightFighter
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| Subject: | Re: QB Fuse Work |
--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
Scott,
If the cash is not an issue, just the savings in freight will benefit you shipping
them together.
And yes... you will want to start playing with the canopy. Call Jeff and get his
opinion...
Darrell
<tx_jayhawk@excite.com> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: ""
All, I have my SB wings and tail completed, and I am expecting my QB fuse in June.
I have been debating about whether or not it makes sense to go ahead and order
the finishing kit as well to ship with the fuse. Can anyone comment on the
amount of work left on the QB fuse (assuming you have no engine, avionics, or
finishing kit)? Will I find that I need the finishing kit (or other items) very
quickly? What would be the preferred order of purchase (finish, engine, or
panel stuff). I am planning avionics last, as it changes so quickly. Thanks,Scott7A
Darrell Reiley
Round Rock, Texas
RV 7A #70125
N622DR (reserved)
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| Subject: | Re: QB Fuse Work |
--> RV-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I would definitely recommend ordering the finishing kit early.
Ask Mr. TDT (Tim)....he'd tell you how important that is.
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
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Darrell Reiley wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
>
> Scott,
>
> If the cash is not an issue, just the savings in freight will benefit you shipping
them together.
> And yes... you will want to start playing with the canopy. Call Jeff and get
his opinion...
>
> Darrell
>
> <tx_jayhawk@excite.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: ""
>
> All, I have my SB wings and tail completed, and I am expecting my QB fuse in
June. I have been debating about whether or not it makes sense to go ahead and
order the finishing kit as well to ship with the fuse. Can anyone comment on
the amount of work left on the QB fuse (assuming you have no engine, avionics,
or finishing kit)? Will I find that I need the finishing kit (or other items)
very quickly? What would be the preferred order of purchase (finish, engine,
or panel stuff). I am planning avionics last, as it changes so quickly. Thanks,Scott7A
>
>
> Darrell Reiley
> Round Rock, Texas
> RV 7A #70125
> N622DR (reserved)
>
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| Subject: | Belt Sander Question & Tool Resource |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brad Oliver" <brad@rv7factory.com>
I've been lurking here for a few months, but now I have a question, and a
resource that might help others.
I am in the tooling up phase, and I have a question about belt sanders. At
one of the last EAA chapter events I attended, a few people said a belt
sander was a highly useful tool, one member actually said he wish he had
bought his sooner. I took this as a recommendation to buy one. My question
is, in purchasing a belt sander, are their particular features I should look
for or stay away from? Craftsman has a 2x42" belt / 6" disc unit that looks
nice... will it do the job?
Ok, now for the resource I found...
In my tool research (grinders, drill presses, band saws, etc.) I came across
this site:
http://www.rd.com/americanwoodworker/article.do?siteId=2222&categoryId=7002&
contentId=244
They have reviews and specs for very many of the available tools made today.
The spec charts are very useful to compare tools, with speeds, capacities,
and prices all listed. It has helped me tremendously and maybe it can help
others.
Regards,
Brad Oliver
Livermore, CA
Tooling up... RV-7 Very Soon!
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Purge Line Question |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dwight Frye <dwight@openweave.org>
Bob,
Thanks for passing on the info from AFP. I will, in fact, be using an AFP
FI system. There are things I do want to experiement with ... but the fuel
system isn't one of them. :) I think I'll just take AFP's advice here.
-- Dwight
On Thu Apr 28 14:19:27 2005, Bob wrote :
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Bob <panamared3@brier.net>
>
>Just last night I was talking to Don Rivera of Airflow performance about
>the purge system. If you use his system he gives you a plumbing diagram,
>which states to run the purge line to a T in the right tank feed line
>before the fuel selector and or fuel filter. Use left tank for purging and
>shutdown.
>
>As for fuel totalizer. The amount of fuel during a purge is very small,
>measured in ounces. He told me that the during the purge process you will
>be moving fuel at about 3 to 4 GPH. 3 GPH is about 6 oz per minute.
>
>Also Don recommends flexible hose from purge valve to firewall and then
>aluminum tubing inside cockpit. Cheaper and lighter than flex all the way,
>and aluminum tube in front of firewall is subject to cracking.
>
>If you use a gascolator, call Don. He did ask me if I used one, when I
>told him I didn't we dropped the subject. I think there is more to the story!
>
>For more what ifs and best practices call Don. He is a great guy to talk
>to and he really knows all the answers.
>
>For those who are true experimenters, experiment away and let us know the
>results. If you only want to do it once and have confidence that it will
>work right the first time, follow manufactures instructions.
>
>Bob
>RV6 NightFighter
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| Subject: | Oily soot in lft tailpipe |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Heathco" <cheathco@comcast.net>
I noticed this on antenna which is sorta behind left pipe after last flight, and
today being first really nice flying day in a while, I took "tweety bird' (6a
with stock O-320) for a spin. Not as much but some soot on ant, and inside of
left pipe was very sooty, rt pipe clean as a whistle. Im getting good static
and power seems normal. Altho I cant see a relationship, i just installed OH'd
mags, and very recent OH'd carb. Cyls all tested in the mid high 70's about
40 hrs ago. Also since I had dynamic prop balance I cant run wide open without
going over prop redline. Oil usage is and has been normal, about 11-12hrs qt.
Again, she seems to be running like a top, but what should I be looking ofr
with this oily soot in the lft pipe? charlie heathco
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| Subject: | Re: Belt Sander Question & Tool Resource |
--> RV-List message posted by: Walter Tondu <walter@tondu.com>
On 04/28 12:58, Brad Oliver wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Brad Oliver" <brad@rv7factory.com>
>
> I've been lurking here for a few months, but now I have a question, and a
> resource that might help others.
>
> I am in the tooling up phase, and I have a question about belt sanders. At
> one of the last EAA chapter events I attended, a few people said a belt
> sander was a highly useful tool, one member actually said he wish he had
> bought his sooner. I took this as a recommendation to buy one. My question
> is, in purchasing a belt sander, are their particular features I should look
> for or stay away from? Craftsman has a 2x42" belt / 6" disc unit that looks
> nice... will it do the job?
I think you mean "bench" sander. I actually couldn't think of any
uses for a belt sander off hand. Harbor Freight has some nice
bench sanders for minimal cost.
This is the one I have and it kicks ass. I used it every day during
my build.
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=43468
--
Walter Tondu
http://www.rv7-a.com
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| Subject: | Re: Oily soot in lft tailpipe |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
Charles Heathco wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Heathco" <cheathco@comcast.net>
>
>I noticed this on antenna which is sorta behind left pipe after last flight, and
today being first really nice flying day in a while, I took "tweety bird' (6a
with stock O-320) for a spin. Not as much but some soot on ant, and inside
of left pipe was very sooty, rt pipe clean as a whistle. Im getting good static
and power seems normal. Altho I cant see a relationship, i just installed OH'd
mags, and very recent OH'd carb. Cyls all tested in the mid high 70's about
40 hrs ago. Also since I had dynamic prop balance I cant run wide open without
going over prop redline. Oil usage is and has been normal, about 11-12hrs qt.
Again, she seems to be running like a top, but what should I be looking ofr
with this oily soot in the lft pipe? charlie heathco
>
You've just discovered on of the down sides to having a carbureted
engine. They just don't get the same amount of fuel to the cylinders as
a FI system. So, you lean until it stumbles and richen it up a bit
......but you only got one (or maybe two) cylinders lean enough to run
well. The others are running rich. There is something you can check
though. Intake leaks. You'd be amazed at how many engines are out
there with leaky intake systems. Take a shop vac (clean it out real
good!) that you can switch the hose to exhaust and put the output into
your air intake. Seal it with some rags and spray soapy water
everywhere. Look for bubbles.
The other thought I had was that you may have a carb gasket that isn't
sealing ....... and you'll see the bubbles! The gasket that goes
between the carb body and the top may not be sealing well either,
allowing raw fuel to enter the vinturi directly from the float bowl.
This will unbalance the fuel delivery a lot, causing just what your
symptoms are. Sometimes that gasket will swell a little and seal off
the leak. Since you had the carb OH'd recently, I'd suspect something
with the carb too. Just a quick shot in the dark!!!
Best of luck .... and let us know what you find!
Linn
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oily soot in lft tailpipe |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John D. Heath" <Alto_Q@direcway.com>
Charlie,
I would check the plugs on those two cylanders. If you find an oily one
look at the rocker box drain tube and valve guides. Even if you don't find
an oily plug, a worn exhaust valve guide can still pass oil and bypass the
combustion chamber.
John D. Heath
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Heathco" <cheathco@comcast.net>
Subject: RV-List: Oily soot in lft tailpipe
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Heathco" <cheathco@comcast.net>
>
> I noticed this on antenna which is sorta behind left pipe. Again, she
> seems to be running like a top, but what should I be looking ofr with this
> oily soot in the lft pipe? charlie heathco
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Belt Sander Question & Tool Resource |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Hansen" <jerry-hansen@cox.net>
Here's an innovative use for the belt sander... the video is instructive
http://www.richmondlionsclub.org/BeltSander.asp
Jerry Hansen
DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Walter Tondu
Subject: Re: RV-List: Belt Sander Question & Tool Resource
--> RV-List message posted by: Walter Tondu <walter@tondu.com>
On 04/28 12:58, Brad Oliver wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Brad Oliver" <brad@rv7factory.com>
>
> I've been lurking here for a few months, but now I have a question, and a
> resource that might help others.
>
> I am in the tooling up phase, and I have a question about belt sanders.
At
> one of the last EAA chapter events I attended, a few people said a belt
> sander was a highly useful tool, one member actually said he wish he had
> bought his sooner. I took this as a recommendation to buy one. My
question
> is, in purchasing a belt sander, are their particular features I should
look
> for or stay away from? Craftsman has a 2x42" belt / 6" disc unit that
looks
> nice... will it do the job?
I think you mean "bench" sander. I actually couldn't think of any
uses for a belt sander off hand. Harbor Freight has some nice
bench sanders for minimal cost.
This is the one I have and it kicks ass. I used it every day during
my build.
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=43468
--
Walter Tondu
http://www.rv7-a.com
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| Subject: | Control sticks with bend/left-hand throttle quadrant |
--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht <paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com>
Two unrelated questions:
1) I know I have seen RVs with control sticks with a forward bend in them. I
want them cause they look much cooler than the straight sticks. Who makes
them?
2) It seems it's pretty customary to put the engine controls on the panel,
meaning used with right hand, which I assume means stick in left hand. Of
course I fly yoke-equipped planes with my left on the yoke but I think that
using my right hand on a control stick might be far more natural (I am
right-handed, like all good Americans*). The only time I have in
stick-controlled aircraft is my RV-10 demo ride and a couple flights in a
Challenger UL, and in both cases I used my right on the stick.
With those thoughts, I was thinking that a left-hand engine-control arrangement
might really be ideal. Thoughts on this?? Does anyone make an aftermarket
side-mounted throttle-quadrant. Should I just learn to fly with my left hand
on the stick like everybody else?
* Just kidding.
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| Subject: | Re: Belt Sander Question & Tool Resource |
--> RV-List message posted by: rv6fly <rv6fly@bresnan.net>
Brad Oliver wrote:
>I am in the tooling up phase, and I have a question about belt sanders. At
>one of the last EAA chapter events I attended, a few people said a belt
>sander was a highly useful tool, one member actually said he wish he had
>bought his sooner.
>
Brad,
I think a hand-held belt sander is a great tool. I used a "Sandcat"
by skill (2 1/2x 16 inch belt, I believe, and no longer made) on a
Glasair, RV6, Glastar and my friend's 6A project. It gave up the ghost
on the 6A. Got so hot I couldn't hold on to it. I think it ingested
too much fiberglass dust. I'm going to tear it apart and see if there
is anything that I can do to fix it and take it over to Larry in
Spearfish so he can use it on his cowl.
With various grits of paper, it's a very versitle tool and does a
great job of replacing a file. For removing material quickly down
to a line, whether aluminum or fiberglass, it can't be beat. Start with
coarse grit and change to fine as you get close to the line. I used the
fine grit and touched up all edges of both sheet stock and ribs &
bulkheads before using the double edge deburring tool which eleminates
"chatter" marks and results in a quicker and smoother job. The hand
held models were preferable to me because of portabililty. Buy the
lightest one you can find. Some of the bigger ones would get heavy
after not too much use I'd think.
Bob Skinner Buffalo, WY
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| Subject: | Re: Control sticks with bend/left-hand throttle |
quadrant
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net> quadrant
>Of
>course I fly yoke-equipped planes with my left on the yoke but I think that
>using my right hand on a control stick might be far more natural (I am
>right-handed, like all good Americans*).
I am right handed and fly the RV-6A with my left hand with NO problem.
Actually I think flying with my right hand would be odd.
Ron Lee
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| Subject: | Belt Sander Question & Tool Resource |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brad Oliver" <brad@rv7factory.com>
Walter, you are correct, I was referring to the bench top belt/disc models.
Thanks,
Brad
DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
I think you mean "bench" sander. I actually couldn't think of any
uses for a belt sander off hand. Harbor Freight has some nice
bench sanders for minimal cost.
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| Subject: | Re: Control sticks with bend/left-hand throttle quadrant |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rob Prior (rv7)" <rv7@b4.ca>
On 15:26:38 2005-04-28 Paul Folbrecht <paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com> wrote:
> With those thoughts, I was thinking that a left-hand engine-control
> arrangement might really be ideal. Thoughts on this?? Does anyone
> make an aftermarket side-mounted throttle-quadrant. Should I just
> learn to fly with my left hand on the stick like everybody else?
All the flying I can remember doing before starting my pilot's license was
in the passenger seat of an airplane, which meant either right hand on a
yoke, left hand on throttle, or right hand on stick, left hand on throttle.
When I learned to fly, I was thrown into the left seat of a C-150, and had
absolutely no trouble flying left hand on yoke, right on throttle. After
getting my license, my only two choices were left seat in a C-150 (yoke),
or centerline seat in the club homebuilt (stick). No problems moving back
and forth.
Last year I was introduced to left hand stick, right hand throttle on a
formation flight in an RV. I flew for an hour, and for the life of me
couldn't get my hands to switch jobs. My brain seems locked into my left
hand controlling pitch if i'm holding a stick with either hand. I
eventually managed to get myself to pause before any corrective inputs, and
think first what I wanted to do.
So, my RV-7 will be flown from the right seat, with a single, center
console mounted throttle. I already have the throttle, and know where it
will go (in front of the spar, between the seats, pending relocation of the
fuel selector). That way it will be accessible to both pilots, but I can
fly how i'm comfortable.
-Rob
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| Subject: | Re: Control sticks with bend/left-hand throttle quadrant |
--> RV-List message posted by: "son hoang" <son@hoangs.com>
easy solution
fly from the right seat
all CFI do it daily
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Folbrecht" <paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com>
Subject: RV-List: Control sticks with bend/left-hand throttle quadrant
> --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht <paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com>
>
> Two unrelated questions:
>
> 1) I know I have seen RVs with control sticks with a forward bend in them.
I
> want them cause they look much cooler than the straight sticks. Who makes
> them?
>
> 2) It seems it's pretty customary to put the engine controls on the panel,
> meaning used with right hand, which I assume means stick in left hand. Of
> course I fly yoke-equipped planes with my left on the yoke but I think
that
> using my right hand on a control stick might be far more natural (I am
> right-handed, like all good Americans*). The only time I have in
> stick-controlled aircraft is my RV-10 demo ride and a couple flights in a
> Challenger UL, and in both cases I used my right on the stick.
>
> With those thoughts, I was thinking that a left-hand engine-control
arrangement
> might really be ideal. Thoughts on this?? Does anyone make an
aftermarket
> side-mounted throttle-quadrant. Should I just learn to fly with my left
hand
> on the stick like everybody else?
>
> * Just kidding.
>
>
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| Subject: | Control sticks with bend/left-hand throttle quadrant |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill Schlatterer" <billschlatterer@sbcglobal.net>
OK Stick right and throttle on left but where is everything else? If side
by side, 6, 7, 10, IFR or not, Which hand do you write with, which hand
would you normally work the radios and nav/coms, where is the AP, which hand
switches fuel tanks, which hand would you likely be drinking coffee with ;o)
Just something to think about?
Bill S
7a Ark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Paul Folbrecht
Subject: RV-List: Control sticks with bend/left-hand throttle quadrant
--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht <paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com>
Two unrelated questions:
1) I know I have seen RVs with control sticks with a forward bend in them.
I
want them cause they look much cooler than the straight sticks. Who makes
them?
2) It seems it's pretty customary to put the engine controls on the panel,
meaning used with right hand, which I assume means stick in left hand. Of
course I fly yoke-equipped planes with my left on the yoke but I think that
using my right hand on a control stick might be far more natural (I am
right-handed, like all good Americans*). The only time I have in
stick-controlled aircraft is my RV-10 demo ride and a couple flights in a
Challenger UL, and in both cases I used my right on the stick.
With those thoughts, I was thinking that a left-hand engine-control
arrangement
might really be ideal. Thoughts on this?? Does anyone make an aftermarket
side-mounted throttle-quadrant. Should I just learn to fly with my left
hand
on the stick like everybody else?
* Just kidding.
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| Subject: | Re: Control sticks with bend/left-hand throttle quadrant |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kboatright1@comcast.net>
Tracy Saylor used to (and maybe still does) sell a left hand throttle
quadrant for the RV-6. I have one in my airplane and really like it.
If Tracy no longer sells the unit, contact me off-list and I'll sketch it so
you can fabricate one yourself. My guess is that it would take under 5
hours...
KB
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Folbrecht" <paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com>
Subject: RV-List: Control sticks with bend/left-hand throttle quadrant
> --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht <paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com>
>
> Two unrelated questions:
>
> 1) I know I have seen RVs with control sticks with a forward bend in them.
> I
> want them cause they look much cooler than the straight sticks. Who makes
> them?
>
> 2) It seems it's pretty customary to put the engine controls on the panel,
> meaning used with right hand, which I assume means stick in left hand. Of
> course I fly yoke-equipped planes with my left on the yoke but I think
> that
> using my right hand on a control stick might be far more natural (I am
> right-handed, like all good Americans*). The only time I have in
> stick-controlled aircraft is my RV-10 demo ride and a couple flights in a
> Challenger UL, and in both cases I used my right on the stick.
>
> With those thoughts, I was thinking that a left-hand engine-control
> arrangement
> might really be ideal. Thoughts on this?? Does anyone make an
> aftermarket
> side-mounted throttle-quadrant. Should I just learn to fly with my left
> hand
> on the stick like everybody else?
>
> * Just kidding.
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
Paul Folbrecht wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht <paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com>
>
>Two unrelated questions:
>
>1) I know I have seen RVs with control sticks with a forward bend in them. I
>want them cause they look much cooler than the straight sticks. Who makes
>them?
>
>2) It seems it's pretty customary to put the engine controls on the panel,
>meaning used with right hand, which I assume means stick in left hand. Of
>course I fly yoke-equipped planes with my left on the yoke but I think that
>using my right hand on a control stick might be far more natural (I am
>right-handed, like all good Americans*). The only time I have in
>stick-controlled aircraft is my RV-10 demo ride and a couple flights in a
>Challenger UL, and in both cases I used my right on the stick.
>
>With those thoughts, I was thinking that a left-hand engine-control arrangement
>might really be ideal. Thoughts on this?? Does anyone make an aftermarket
>side-mounted throttle-quadrant. Should I just learn to fly with my left hand
>on the stick like everybody else?
>
>* Just kidding.
>
I'm going to have the same problem. I fly my certified ....
yoke-equipped ....... center engine controls with my left hand and the
right controls the engine. In my Pitts, the throttle is on the left
side of the cockpit .... and my left hand is always on the throttle
while the stick is in my right. The Pitts position feels more natural
.... while the other is ..... well unnatural. When I took my demo
flight at Sun-N-Fun this year, I was in the right seat (of course) and
voila ..... throttle in left hand and right hand on the stick!!! It was
a natural fit!!! The roll rate in the -10 is a little slower than the
Pitts though :-) ! So, maybe I'll do all my -10 flying from the right
seat. Or maybe I'm not so old that I can't train myself to fly left
handed in the left seat. Time will tell.
Linn
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--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht <paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com>
No trouble initially, either? It didn't take getting used to?
It is funny that flying a yoke with my left is completely natural yet I know
(or think I know) that a stick in my left and will not feel that way. Maybe
that's just because my very, very limited "_stick_ time" has been with my
right. If that's the case, I should be used to the left in < 2 hours.
> I am right handed and fly the RV-6A with my left hand with NO problem.
> Actually I think flying with my right hand would be odd.
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--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht <paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com>
Have you flown right-seat before? The sight picture on landing is quite
different - it takes getting used to! You can't just jump into landing that
way. At least I couldn't.
> So, my RV-7 will be flown from the right seat, with a single, center
> console mounted throttle. I already have the throttle, and know where it
> will go (in front of the spar, between the seats, pending relocation of the
> fuel selector). That way it will be accessible to both pilots, but I can
> fly how i'm comfortable.
>
> -Rob
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht <paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com>
They trained to do it too.
--- son hoang <son@hoangs.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "son hoang" <son@hoangs.com>
>
> easy solution
> fly from the right seat
> all CFI do it daily
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--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht <paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com>
1) IFR, the AP is on. :-)
2) I've gotta write with the right hand. I can do better with a foot than with
the left.
3) Right now I do everything with the right hand except fly (yoke). The
cockpit/panel is designed for that anyway when you're in the left seat. Of
course.
I see your point. If I've got my RH on the stick I've got no hand to do all
that other stuff. Ain't gonna work at all.
I'm sure I can get used to the left.
> OK Stick right and throttle on left but where is everything else? If side
> by side, 6, 7, 10, IFR or not, Which hand do you write with, which hand
> would you normally work the radios and nav/coms, where is the AP, which hand
> switches fuel tanks, which hand would you likely be drinking coffee with ;o)
> Just something to think about?
>
> Bill S
> 7a Ark
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--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht <paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com>
> >1) I know I have seen RVs with control sticks with a forward bend in them.
Nobody answered this part - does anybody know? Those sticks seriously looked
so good and the bend is quite functional as well! Perhaps they were custom
jobs.
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--> RV-List message posted by: "son hoang" <son@hoangs.com>
don't worry...you'll get used to it in no time at all
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Folbrecht" <paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Control sticks with bend/left-hand throttle quadrant
> --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht <paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com>
>
> Have you flown right-seat before? The sight picture on landing is quite
> different - it takes getting used to! You can't just jump into landing
that
> way. At least I couldn't.
>
> > So, my RV-7 will be flown from the right seat, with a single, center
> > console mounted throttle. I already have the throttle, and know where
it
> > will go (in front of the spar, between the seats, pending relocation of
the
> > fuel selector). That way it will be accessible to both pilots, but I
can
> > fly how i'm comfortable.
> >
> > -Rob
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Control sticks with bend/left-hand throttle quadrant |
--> RV-List message posted by: "LARRY ADAMSON" <rvhi03@msn.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Folbrecht
Subject: RV-List: Control sticks with bend/left-hand throttle quadrant
--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht <paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com>
I'm technically left handed, but do precision metal snipping, shooting, bowling,
throwing, and more with my right. Eat, write, and drink coffee with my left.
Flew the Pitt's, R/C airplanes, and computer joysticks with my right, as it seems
the natural way. First time I flew a Cessna from the right seat, I pulled throttle
out instead of rotating during a second touch and go. Even a Cessna 172
likes to bee-line to the right when engine goes to idle just at rotation time!
That was just a case of thinking "left hand & plane with yoke rotation", but
I soon learned different!
I naturally wondered how I'd feel in the RV too. Rented a Diamond DA-40 just to
get some left hand stick time, along with differential brakes for taxi. As it
turned out, I didn't even think about it. My left hand seemed as natural on the
stick as it does with a yoke. But since this subject has come up, while sitting
in my (almost completed) RV6A's left seat, my left hand still feels the most
comfortable on the stick while my elbow is on the arm rest. I've also flown
the 6 & 9 from the right seat, where again, the right hand now seems to fit
the best. In so many words, it doesn't seem to matter , right or left.
I went out to the 6A again this evening. If I could put in an ill fitted and tight
throttle quadrant on the left (which is possible and has been done), I wouldn't.
It just no longer feels right, as strange as it may be.
Larry Adamson
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quadrant
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net> quadrant
>No trouble initially, either? It didn't take getting used to?
I also flew Cessnas with left hand on the yoke so the transition was minimal
even as a low time pilot. Also keep in mind that if you do something really
unique you may limit resale. I looked at one plane that had the primary
instruments on the right side. That in addition to everything being red was
a deal breaker for me. But do whatever makes you happy.
Ron Lee
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| Subject: | Control sticks with bend/left-hand throttle quadrant |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" <bicyclop@pacbell.net>
When I got out of a Cessna and into an RV-6a, speed control was the
issue I was concentrating on and the stick never felt funny for a
minute. It felt natural in my left hand from the start. Yokes and high
wings are just wrong. I'm building a six with a center quadrant.
Ed Holyoke
6a (built by another)
6 under construction
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Folbrecht
Subject: Re: RV-List: Control sticks with bend/left-hand throttle
quadrant
--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht <paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com>
No trouble initially, either? It didn't take getting used to?
It is funny that flying a yoke with my left is completely natural yet I
know
(or think I know) that a stick in my left and will not feel that way.
Maybe
that's just because my very, very limited "_stick_ time" has been with
my
right. If that's the case, I should be used to the left in < 2 hours.
> I am right handed and fly the RV-6A with my left hand with NO problem.
> Actually I think flying with my right hand would be odd.
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| Subject: | 3/16 rivets and a 2X gun |
--> RV-List message posted by: MLWynn@aol.com
Hi all
I have been looking at the lone 3/16 (fixed a boo-boo) rivet that I have to
install in my forward HS spar. I have a 2X rivet gun. I have done a pile of
practice rivets. The 2X drives the rivet okay, if a little slow. Someone had
said that they wouldn't use less than a 4X gun for that size rivet. What
exactly is the difference? Is there a bigger weight being popped by the
pneumatics?
Besides being slower, is there an important disadvantage or problem
associated with using my gun? I would hate to buy another gun for one rivet.
Thanks
Michael Wynn
RV-8, Empennage
San Ramon, California
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| Subject: | Control sticks with bend/left-hand throttle quadrant |
--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht <paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com>
What type of center quadrant?
I've decided I'm sure I can be trained to fly LH stick. Which means a center
engine quadrant makes sense (I'd just rather not have the engine controls on
the panel).
--- Ed Holyoke <bicyclop@pacbell.net> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" <bicyclop@pacbell.net>
>
> When I got out of a Cessna and into an RV-6a, speed control was the
> issue I was concentrating on and the stick never felt funny for a
> minute. It felt natural in my left hand from the start. Yokes and high
> wings are just wrong. I'm building a six with a center quadrant.
>
> Ed Holyoke
> 6a (built by another)
> 6 under construction
>
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| Subject: | Re: 3/16 rivets and a 2X gun |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Oke <wjoke@shaw.ca>
Michael;
How long is the rivet in question? I managed OK driving shorter 3/16 AN
rivets with a lighter weight gun but was simply unable to drive the longer
ones in an RV-6 spar. I eventually used a C-frame riveter, a 470-6 set, and
a five pound hammer with good results. Just make sure everything is lined
up, lean on the spar to hold it in place and pound away.
Jim Oke
RV-6A
Wpg., MB
----- Original Message -----
From: <MLWynn@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: 3/16 rivets and a 2X gun
> --> RV-List message posted by: MLWynn@aol.com
>
> Hi all
>
> I have been looking at the lone 3/16 (fixed a boo-boo) rivet that I have
> to
> install in my forward HS spar. I have a 2X rivet gun. I have done a pile
> of
> practice rivets. The 2X drives the rivet okay, if a little slow. Someone
> had
> said that they wouldn't use less than a 4X gun for that size rivet. What
> exactly is the difference? Is there a bigger weight being popped by the
> pneumatics?
>
> Besides being slower, is there an important disadvantage or problem
> associated with using my gun? I would hate to buy another gun for one
> rivet.
>
> Thanks
>
> Michael Wynn
> RV-8, Empennage
> San Ramon, California
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Control sticks with bend/left-hand throttle quadrant |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" <bicyclop@pacbell.net>
Paul,
It looks like (and is made by the same guy as) this:
http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1114751560-466-705
&browse=controls&product=10-quadrant
I'll post a picture of how I mounted it in a day or two.
Ed Holyoke
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Folbrecht
Subject: RE: RV-List: Control sticks with bend/left-hand throttle
quadrant
--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht <paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com>
What type of center quadrant?
I've decided I'm sure I can be trained to fly LH stick. Which means a
center
engine quadrant makes sense (I'd just rather not have the engine
controls on
the panel).
--- Ed Holyoke <bicyclop@pacbell.net> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" <bicyclop@pacbell.net>
>
> When I got out of a Cessna and into an RV-6a, speed control was the
> issue I was concentrating on and the stick never felt funny for a
> minute. It felt natural in my left hand from the start. Yokes and high
> wings are just wrong. I'm building a six with a center quadrant.
>
> Ed Holyoke
> 6a (built by another)
> 6 under construction
>
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| Subject: | Re: Control sticks with bend/left-hand throttle quadrant |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Oke <wjoke@shaw.ca>
If you intend to do most of your flying from the right seat, why not put the
primary flight instruments on the right side of the panel? I did. See
http://www.vansairforce.org/projects/okej/onephoto.cgi?Picture_0630.jpg
The throttle mount in the centre of the panel keeps the throttle at your
left hand and is much simpler and lighter than trying to add a second
throttle on the left side of the cockpit.
Jim Oke
----- Original Message -----
From: "son hoang" <son@hoangs.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Control sticks with bend/left-hand throttle quadrant
> --> RV-List message posted by: "son hoang" <son@hoangs.com>
>
> easy solution
> fly from the right seat
> all CFI do it daily
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Folbrecht" <paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Control sticks with bend/left-hand throttle quadrant
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht <paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com>
>>
>> Two unrelated questions:
>>
>> 1) I know I have seen RVs with control sticks with a forward bend in
>> them.
> I
>> want them cause they look much cooler than the straight sticks. Who
>> makes
>> them?
>>
>> 2) It seems it's pretty customary to put the engine controls on the
>> panel,
>> meaning used with right hand, which I assume means stick in left hand.
>> Of
>> course I fly yoke-equipped planes with my left on the yoke but I think
> that
>> using my right hand on a control stick might be far more natural (I am
>> right-handed, like all good Americans*). The only time I have in
>> stick-controlled aircraft is my RV-10 demo ride and a couple flights in a
>> Challenger UL, and in both cases I used my right on the stick.
>>
>> With those thoughts, I was thinking that a left-hand engine-control
> arrangement
>> might really be ideal. Thoughts on this?? Does anyone make an
> aftermarket
>> side-mounted throttle-quadrant. Should I just learn to fly with my left
> hand
>> on the stick like everybody else?
>>
>> * Just kidding.
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 3/16 rivets and a 2X gun |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Hi Michael,
You could drive the single rivet with a hammer. To do this an extra set of
hands and eyes and a carefully controlled set up should get good results.
You could avoid the issue of driving the "one rivet" by installing a
Cherry-Max structural pull rivet instead.
You can read about this kind of fastener and the aircraft industries many
others in a book called "Standard Aircraft Handbook" published by McGraw
Hill. I have the fifth edition #3634. If you don't have a copy get one , it
will be worth the price. It is full of descriptions of fasteners, the tools
needed for them, how to use the tools and lots of reference charts,
conversions tables etc.
It reads slightly better that the phone book until you need it, Then it gets
Quite interesting. I got my copy from Van's
Rivets are designed (alloyed) soft before being driven. The driving process
work hardens them. If over worked (driven too long or too much) they can
become too brittle. Rivets driven by under sized guns tend not to look
finished right and can be unsound in certain structural high load conditions
or locations.
From the book; "always select a rivet gun size and bucking bar weight that
drive the rivet with as few blows as possible".
The various rivet guns bores and or strokes increase as the gun # goes up.
The bigger guns hit harder and less often per minute. In actual use the
utility of the guns tends to overlap some of the rivet sizes. Generally a #2
gun will drive 3/32" and 1/8" rivets quite well. Driving 3/16" rivets with a
# 2 gun is near (if not) the limit. A #3 gun can be set up to drive #/32",
1/8" and 3/16" rivets. A # 4 gun will tend to be a bit too powerful to use
on 3/32" rivets (damage to surrounding stucture can result) but can drive
rivets bigger than 3/16" and so on.
At some point personal preference enters the scene. Some RV builders prefer
the # 2 guns and others will swear by #3 guns and so on. The #3 gun is
physically larger and a bit heavier but it reaches the range of rivet sizes
generally found in single and two place home builds quite well.
Keep on driving em,
Jim in Kelowna
----- Original Message -----
From: <MLWynn@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: 3/16 rivets and a 2X gun
> --> RV-List message posted by: MLWynn@aol.com
>
> Hi all
>
> I have been looking at the lone 3/16 (fixed a boo-boo) rivet that I have
> to
> install in my forward HS spar. I have a 2X rivet gun. I have done a pile
> of
> practice rivets. The 2X drives the rivet okay, if a little slow. Someone
> had
> said that they wouldn't use less than a 4X gun for that size rivet. What
> exactly is the difference? Is there a bigger weight being popped by the
> pneumatics?
>
> Besides being slower, is there an important disadvantage or problem
> associated with using my gun? I would hate to buy another gun for one
> rivet.
>
> Thanks
>
> Michael Wynn
> RV-8, Empennage
> San Ramon, California
>
>
>
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