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1. 12:34 AM - Re: cleco pliers (JOHN STARN)
2. 06:37 AM - RAM air calculations (Wiethe, Philip (P.J.))
3. 06:58 AM - Re: cleco pliers (Marty)
4. 08:34 AM - Dimple Dies - regular vs. springback (Glaeser, Dennis A)
5. 11:09 AM - Re: Dimple Dies - regular vs. springback (Walter Tondu)
6. 11:29 AM - A Bigger Better ePanel Builder?? (Bill VonDane)
7. 11:49 AM - Re: Rude RVers? (Finn Lassen)
8. 01:03 PM - Re: Conversion Coating and Priming with Sanchem (brad@rv7factory.com)
9. 01:36 PM - Oil on Plug (John)
10. 01:51 PM - Re: Re: Conversion Coating and Priming with Sanchem (James Ochs)
11. 01:55 PM - Re: Rude RVers? (luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky))
12. 02:27 PM - Re: A Bigger Better ePanel Builder?? (Paul Folbrecht)
13. 03:16 PM - Re: Rude RVers? (Sam Buchanan)
14. 04:19 PM - Re: Rude RVers? (Charlie England)
15. 04:43 PM - Re: Oil on Plug (Mark Burns)
16. 04:47 PM - Re: A Bigger Better ePanel Builder?? (DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com)
17. 04:48 PM - Re: Rude RVers? (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
18. 05:00 PM - Noisy Airplanes (was Rude RV'ers) (Ted Lumpkin)
19. 05:00 PM - Re: A Bigger Better ePanel Builder?? (Walter Tondu)
20. 05:23 PM - RE Sanchem (Emrath)
21. 05:23 PM - Re:Oil on Plug (Martin Hone)
22. 05:24 PM - Re: Rude RVers? (Sam Buchanan)
23. 07:08 PM - Re: Rude RVers? (bill shook)
24. 07:34 PM - Re: Re: Conversion Coating and Priming with Sanchem (MLWynn@aol.com)
25. 07:36 PM - Re: Noisy Airplanes (was Rude RV'ers) (MLWynn@aol.com)
26. 07:57 PM - Re: A Bigger Better ePanel Builder?? (Tim Olson)
27. 07:57 PM - Re: Noisy Airplanes (was Rude RV'ers) (Jerry Springer)
28. 08:01 PM - More O-360 Questions ()
29. 08:01 PM - Re: To ram air or NOT to ram air -- that is the question (Marcus Cooper)
30. 08:01 PM - Re: A Bigger Better ePanel Builder?? (Walter Tondu)
31. 08:28 PM - Re:Dimple Dies-regular vs. springback (Oldsfolks@aol.com)
32. 09:44 PM - Re: Noisy Airplanes (was Rude RV'ers) (Jim Oke)
33. 10:52 PM - Re: Rude RVers (DEAN PSIROPOULOS)
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| Subject: | Re: cleco pliers |
--> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
Take a scrap piece of 2X4-6-8-12, drill some 3/32" holes in it & put in the
cleco's. The 2x4 will hold them steady so you can "grab" them with one hand.
We had several and I if I remember correctly a 18" long 2X8 worked the best.
A great way to carry them into tight places & still operate with a single
hand. We cut holes in the top of large plastic laundry soap containers
leaving the handles intact. Red one was for silver, yellow for copper. We
also stored the pliers in these "buckets". Do Not Archive KABONG
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Burton" <dburton@nwlink.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: cleco pliers
> --> RV-List message posted by: "David Burton" <dburton@nwlink.com>
>
>
> My hands are not getting tired for the most part.
>
> another brand might have different handles or a different pivit point...
>
> Thanks for all the suggestions..
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| Subject: | RAM air calculations |
1.25 RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO Received": rv-list@matronics.com
--> RV-List message posted by: "Wiethe, Philip (P.J.)" <pwiethe@ford.com>
After reading Dan's well detailed experiments, I became interested in the theoretical
calculations of the "RAM air effect". Disclaimer - I'm a EE, so this ME/Fluid
Dynamics stuff is not my forte, but here goes...
Total Pressure in a fluid is the sum of the static pressure and dynamic pressure.
The "ram" air effect is due to the dynamic pressure. Bernoulli's equation
shows this as:
Pd 0.5 * p * V
2
Where:
Pd Dynamic Pressure
p density (greek letter rho)
V Velocity
Using the STP density of air in SI units - 1.2250 kg/m
3, and an air speed of 220Mph, I solved Bernoulli's equation to yield 1.75 Inches
of Mercury. Thus it looks like the maximum theoretical gain in STP air at
220MPH would be 1.75" Hg from an intake that had no RAM air benefit to one with
full RAM air benefit.
Obviously, air density is a complex function of Barometric Pressure, Altitude,
Temperature, Dew Point, and Humidity. Here is a web site which offers a density
calculator and some other useful flying/engine performance calculators:
http://wahiduddin.net/calc/density_altitude.htm
Phil
RV8A - Fuse
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Marty" <martorious@earthlink.net>
|Subject: Re: RV-List: cleco pliers
|
|--> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
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|Take a scrap piece of 2X4-6-8-12, drill some 3/32" holes in it & put
|in the
|cleco's. The 2x4 will hold them steady so you can "grab" them with
|one hand.
|We had several and I if I remember correctly a 18" long 2X8 worked
|the best.
|A great way to carry them into tight places & still operate with a
|single
|hand. We cut holes in the top of large plastic laundry soap
|containers
|leaving the handles intact. Red one was for silver, yellow for
|copper. We
|also stored the pliers in these "buckets". Do Not Archive KABONG
|
Great idea! You could also add a scrap of al stock (or stiff
cardboard) so that it overhangs the end of the board enough to clamp
the side grip Cleco clamps to.
Marty in Indiana
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| Subject: | Dimple Dies - regular vs. springback |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Glaeser, Dennis A" <dennis.glaeser@eds.com>
Has anyone done a comparison between 'regular' and 'springback' dimple
dies? I figured all dimple dies have some springback designed in, but
maybe not? The springback dies cost a couple bucks more (I'm using
Aircraft Tool Supply as my reference here), so I'm looking for input on
whether they are worth it or not.
I'm getting ready to start an RV7A in July. I will be borrowing most
tools from my son (also building an RV7A), but obviously need to get a
number of things for myself.
Thanks,
Dennis Glaeser
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| Subject: | Re: Dimple Dies - regular vs. springback |
--> RV-List message posted by: Walter Tondu <walter@tondu.com>
On 05/09 11:32, Glaeser, Dennis A wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Glaeser, Dennis A" <dennis.glaeser@eds.com>
>
> Has anyone done a comparison between 'regular' and 'springback' dimple
> dies? I figured all dimple dies have some springback designed in, but
> maybe not? The springback dies cost a couple bucks more (I'm using
> Aircraft Tool Supply as my reference here), so I'm looking for input on
> whether they are worth it or not.
> I'm getting ready to start an RV7A in July. I will be borrowing most
> tools from my son (also building an RV7A), but obviously need to get a
> number of things for myself.
The best dimple dies I know of come from P.A.R.T.S.
http://www.rivettools.com
Not cheap but well worth it. You might get a deal on them
if buying tools from them, like a pneumatic squeezer.
--
Walter Tondu
http://www.rv7-a.com
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| Subject: | A Bigger Better ePanel Builder?? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
Hey all... This may or not be entirely RV related but I do think it's
appropriate as I know MANY of you use the site...
I am on the verge of redesigning the ePanel Builder into a fully featured
panel planning web application - www.epanelbuilder.com - and need your input
on what you like about the site, what you don't like and what functions and
features you would like to see in the future versions...
If you could please take a minute to submit your comments it will go a long
way to making the site exactly what you all would like it to be... Anything
is possible so don't be afraid to ask for it...
http://www.vondane.com/epb_survey/
Thanks in advance! ..and do not archive
-Bill
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--> RV-List message posted by: Finn Lassen <finn.lassen@verizon.net>
I'm going to owe you on this one. Brian wasn't there today and I'd be a
while before I can get back there.
I was able to ask the flight instructor (Stefanie) that was talking to
St Pete Tower. Yes, they did violate St Pete airspace and no, Tower did
not call the FBO. The FBO took the N-numbers because a neigbor called.
Stefanie guessed that because it was relatively quiet that day the Tower
"let it go".
Gary, I appreciate you getting the other side of the story for me. At
least I now know who to watch for at the airpark regarding reliability
of data.
Another line boy today told me "not true, we welcome RV's here", when I
mentioned that the flight school owner has said that they were not
welcome back.
Finn
Jerry Springer wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@comcast.net>
>
>Finn Lassen wrote:
>
>
>
>>There was a remark from the flight school owner that they had been rude
>>to "Brian". No idea who Brian is - the line boy?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>Once again we would have to hear the other side of the story. :-) If the
>line boy spilled fuel all over my airplane
>or dragged the hose across a wing etc. I would probably be cranky to him
>also. Of course he might not be the line
>boy but knowing those guys they were not rude without provocation.
>
>do not archive
>Jerry
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: Conversion Coating and Priming with Sanchem |
--> RV-List message posted by: brad@rv7factory.com
I am heading up to Van's on Thursday for the tour and demo ride... I
plan on ordering my RV-7 tail kit while there. Anywhoo... the recent
discussions about Sanchem's products have made me very interested in it
as a form of Conversion Coating, specifically as a way to avoid
storing/using toxic chemical and dealing with the waste.
I called Sanchem for pricing info, but my question is, how much of this
stuff are you guys ordering? Gallon of each (A, B & C)?
Regards,
Brad Oliver
Livermore, CA
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--> RV-List message posted by: John <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
Here one for engine experts...I began my annual condition inspection
today and pulled the plugs to replace them and do a compression check.
All looked normal except the bottom plug on #1 cylinder...it had FRESH
oil that filled the depression where the electrodes are...upper plug
normal. Rest of plugs normal.
I did a compression check and that #1 cylinder was 78/80, just the same
as last year's compression on that cylinder.
An A&P/IA looked at it and thought perhaps my ring gaps had rotated to
line up, allowing oil to pass. I had just flown and everything was
normal, including run up. Operation on either set of plugs was smooth
and I didn't see anything odd.
Lycoming 0-320, 160 HP, 400 hrs on major overhaul.
Any ideas/thoughts?
John at Salida, CO
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Conversion Coating and Priming with Sanchem |
--> RV-List message posted by: James Ochs <jochs@froody.org>
I ordered a gallon of each a, b and c and a gallon of seal #2. Judging
by what I have used so far I think that amount will probably run out
somewhere in the middle to the end of the wings (I'm working on the emp
kit of a 10 now). They (sanchem) said that the products have an
indefinite shelf life as long as a+b aren't mixed. If a+b are mixed
then its good for about a day, so I usually just mix up what I think I
am going to use.
James.
brad@rv7factory.com wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: brad@rv7factory.com
>
>I am heading up to Van's on Thursday for the tour and demo ride... I
>plan on ordering my RV-7 tail kit while there. Anywhoo... the recent
>discussions about Sanchem's products have made me very interested in it
>as a form of Conversion Coating, specifically as a way to avoid
>storing/using toxic chemical and dealing with the waste.
>
>I called Sanchem for pricing info, but my question is, how much of this
>stuff are you guys ordering? Gallon of each (A, B & C)?
>
>Regards,
>Brad Oliver
>Livermore, CA
>
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky)
Finn, so tell me again, why did you bother to put all this on the list in the first
place? Quoting line boys vs. FBO owners? Oh man....
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> RV-List message posted by: Finn Lassen
>
> I'm going to owe you on this one. Brian wasn't there today and I'd be a
> while before I can get back there.
>
> I was able to ask the flight instructor (Stefanie) that was talking to
> St Pete Tower. Yes, they did violate St Pete airspace and no, Tower did
> not call the FBO. The FBO took the N-numbers because a neigbor called.
> Stefanie guessed that because it was relatively quiet that day the Tower
> "let it go".
>
> Gary, I appreciate you getting the other side of the story for me. At
> least I now know who to watch for at the airpark regarding reliability
> of data.
>
> Another line boy today told me "not true, we welcome RV's here", when I
> mentioned that the flight school owner has said that they were not
> welcome back.
>
> Finn
>
> Jerry Springer wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer
> >
> >Finn Lassen wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>There was a remark from the flight school owner that they had been rude
> >>to "Brian". No idea who Brian is - the line boy?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >Once again we would have to hear the other side of the story. :-) If the
> >line boy spilled fuel all over my airplane
> >or dragged the hose across a wing etc. I would probably be cranky to him
> >also. Of course he might not be the line
> >boy but knowing those guys they were not rude without provocation.
> >
> >do not archive
> >Jerry
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
Finn, so tell me again, why did you bother to put all this on the list in the first
place? Quoting line boys vs. FBO owners? Oh man....
-------------- Original message --------------
-- RV-List message posted by: Finn Lassen <FINN.LASSEN@VERIZON.NET>
I'm going to owe you on this one. Brian wasn't there today and I'd be a
while before I can get back there.
I was able to ask the flight instructor (Stefanie) that was talking to
St Pete Tower. Yes, they did violate St Pete airspace and no, Tower did
not call the FBO. The FBO took the N-numbers because a neigbor called.
Stefanie guessed that because it was relatively quiet that day the Tower
"let it go".
Gary, I appreciate you getting the other side of the story for me. At
least I now know who to watch for at the airpark regarding reliability
of data.
Another line boy today told me "not true, we welcome RV's here", when I
>
; mentioned that the flight school owner has said that they were not
welcome back.
Finn
Jerry Springer wrote:
-- RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <JSFLYRV@COMCAST.NET>
Finn Lassen wrote:
There was a remark from the flight school owner that they had been rude
to "Brian". No idea who Brian is - the line boy?
Once again we would have to hear the other side of the story. :-) If the
line boy spilled fuel all over my airplane
or dragged the hose across a wing etc. I would probably be cranky to him
also. Of course he might not be the line
boy but knowing those guys they were not rude without provocation.
do not archive
&
gt; Jerry
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| Subject: | Re: A Bigger Better ePanel Builder?? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht <paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com>
To tell you the truth, I just spent a half-hour with your site building Panel
Candidate #1 and found it really great.
But, two niceties that would make it better:
1) Some sort of "snap-to-grid" feature that auto-aligns components.
2) A Save button that will save the panel locally as a .jpg, instead of having
to copy/paste to Paint or whatever.
--- Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
>
> Hey all... This may or not be entirely RV related but I do think it's
> appropriate as I know MANY of you use the site...
>
> I am on the verge of redesigning the ePanel Builder into a fully featured
> panel planning web application - www.epanelbuilder.com - and need your input
> on what you like about the site, what you don't like and what functions and
> features you would like to see in the future versions...
>
> If you could please take a minute to submit your comments it will go a long
> way to making the site exactly what you all would like it to be... Anything
> is possible so don't be afraid to ask for it...
>
> http://www.vondane.com/epb_survey/
>
> Thanks in advance! ..and do not archive
>
> -Bill
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
Don't be surprised if you glance up from the lounge chair at your local
FBO and see some guys wearing Groucho Marx masks piling out of RV's with
the N-numbers covered with NASCAR decals......
It'll just be part of the north Alabama gang making an attempt to
confuse anybody trying to smear our already questionable reputations via
the RAR-VEE list.
Sam Buchanan (that's not my real name, though)
P.S. In all seriousness, I appreciate the clarification. I am still
struggling with the intent of the original message, however.
==================================
Finn Lassen wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Finn Lassen <finn.lassen@verizon.net>
>
> I'm going to owe you on this one. Brian wasn't there today and I'd be a
> while before I can get back there.
>
> I was able to ask the flight instructor (Stefanie) that was talking to
> St Pete Tower. Yes, they did violate St Pete airspace and no, Tower did
> not call the FBO. The FBO took the N-numbers because a neigbor called.
> Stefanie guessed that because it was relatively quiet that day the Tower
> "let it go".
>
> Gary, I appreciate you getting the other side of the story for me. At
> least I now know who to watch for at the airpark regarding reliability
> of data.
>
> Another line boy today told me "not true, we welcome RV's here", when I
> mentioned that the flight school owner has said that they were not
> welcome back.
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--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
Having known Finn for a while, I'd bet that the original intent was as
written, not as mis-read & over-reacted to by several folks. The subject
line ended with a question mark, not a period. The body of the message
stated that allegations had been made by non-pilot neighbors, employees
at the airport, and the FAA. It stated that there were ongoing problems
between neighbors & users of that airport. It seemed clear to me that
the posting was an attempt to get the 'other side' of the story from the
pilots involved. It also seemed clear to me that he recognized the
reality that pilots are in the extreme minority in this country & due to
current government propaganda to hide its incompetence, we could easily
be driven out of flying by overwhelming negative public opinion leading
to more government restrictions. (ok, maybe that was overstating it a bit.)
It's worth noting that at least one of the allegations might be
literally true (airspace violation) which could lead to others being
given more consideration by the FAA and grumpy neighbors. The obvious
net result of all this is the potential for more hassle for those using
the airpark. It's worth remembering that there are very few real
'rights' left in this country. The use of land as an airport is at the
whim of various governments involved in controlling land use.
If I had been in Finn's position, I'd have probably asked the same
questions.
Charlie
Sam Buchanan wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
>
>Don't be surprised if you glance up from the lounge chair at your local
>FBO and see some guys wearing Groucho Marx masks piling out of RV's with
>the N-numbers covered with NASCAR decals......
>
>It'll just be part of the north Alabama gang making an attempt to
>confuse anybody trying to smear our already questionable reputations via
>the RAR-VEE list.
>
>Sam Buchanan (that's not my real name, though)
>
>P.S. In all seriousness, I appreciate the clarification. I am still
>struggling with the intent of the original message, however.
>
>==================================
>
>
>Finn Lassen wrote:
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Finn Lassen <finn.lassen@verizon.net>
>>
>>I'm going to owe you on this one. Brian wasn't there today and I'd be a
>>while before I can get back there.
>>
>>I was able to ask the flight instructor (Stefanie) that was talking to
>>St Pete Tower. Yes, they did violate St Pete airspace and no, Tower did
>>not call the FBO. The FBO took the N-numbers because a neigbor called.
>>Stefanie guessed that because it was relatively quiet that day the Tower
>>"let it go".
>>
>>Gary, I appreciate you getting the other side of the story for me. At
>>least I now know who to watch for at the airpark regarding reliability
>>of data.
>>
>>Another line boy today told me "not true, we welcome RV's here", when I
>>mentioned that the flight school owner has said that they were not
>>welcome back.
>>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Mark Burns" <burnsm@cox.net>
John,
I think it's more likely that the oil ran out around a valve stem after the
engine stopped. It just stopped in the right place to allow it to happen.
The idea of the ring gaps lining up is possible, but I think the oil would
have to run slightly uphill to get on the plug. Or have so much oil in there
that it came up to that level.
As long as the mags continue to check good and your oil consumption is
normal I wouldn't worry about it.
I'd bet the next time you pull the plug the oil won't be there.
Just my thoughts.
Mark Burns
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Subject: RV-List: Oil on Plug
--> RV-List message posted by: John <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
Here one for engine experts...I began my annual condition inspection
today and pulled the plugs to replace them and do a compression check.
All looked normal except the bottom plug on #1 cylinder...it had FRESH
oil that filled the depression where the electrodes are...upper plug
normal. Rest of plugs normal.
I did a compression check and that #1 cylinder was 78/80, just the same
as last year's compression on that cylinder.
An A&P/IA looked at it and thought perhaps my ring gaps had rotated to
line up, allowing oil to pass. I had just flown and everything was
normal, including run up. Operation on either set of plugs was smooth
and I didn't see anything odd.
Lycoming 0-320, 160 HP, 400 hrs on major overhaul.
Any ideas/thoughts?
John at Salida, CO
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| Subject: | Re: A Bigger Better ePanel Builder?? |
--> RV-List message posted by: DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com
YOU HAVE A GREAT PROGRAM AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND EFFORTS TO SHARE IT.
ONE THING THAT WOULD BE A BIG HELP TO ME, SINCE I AM NOT A COMPUTER
PERSON........WOULD BE IF IT COULD BE FIXED SO THAT WE DON'T GET THE LOCK UP AND
HAVE
TO GO IN TO THE BOWELS OF THE PUTER TO FIX IT. I CAN'T DO IT SO HAVE TO FIND
SOMEONE TO COME FIX IT FOR ME. I DO ENJOY IT AND HOPE TO USE IT SOON TO
WORK ON OUR 10 PANEL.
THANKS
REGARDS,
DOUG PRESTON
RV7A N731RV
RV10 - TAILCONE
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--> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
In a message dated 05/09/2005 5:21:47 PM Central Standard Time,
ceengland@bellsouth.net writes:
It seemed clear to me that
the posting was an attempt to get the 'other side' of the story from the
pilots involved.
>>>>
Same here- maybe get a "lesson-lernt" out of it as opposed to questioning
motives, finger-points & list speculation? Think I'll get me a gorilla mask and
sneak up on the TVRVBG dudes next time they stop for gas... (hmmm... maybe a
strategically-placed banana peel on Sams tailwheel) 8-)
do not archive for sake of keeping trash out of archives!
Mark Phillips
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| Subject: | Noisy Airplanes (was Rude RV'ers) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ted Lumpkin <tlump51@sbcglobal.net>
I know this isn't popular, but in all the discussion about what these pilots did
and didn't do, no one mentioned that most of the issue would have been a non-problem
if our planes were simply quieter.
I built my RV at home and had some fantasies about living in a fly-in community.
After moving my plane to the local airfield my hangar's become my home away
from home. No offense to anyone who lives in a fly-in community -- different
strokes for different folks -- but listening to the planes take off constantly
has killed my idea of living in a fly-in community. It's just too loud (we
also have a lot of helicopters on our field which are even worse). Don't get
me wrong, I raced motorcycles for years, love the sound of engines and love the
way my RV-4 performs, but I sure wish we would devote as much technology to
noise reduction as we do to EFIS displays, for instance.
With the cost of land these days and the inevitable urban sprawl, any airport near
an urban center will eventually be encroached upon by noise sensitive people.
Eventually they will outnumber you and it won't make any difference who was
there first; majority rules. This is the case with farms, factories, race
tracks, etc. Community outreach is one solution, quieter airplanes is another.
There was an interesting question from a potential student pilot in a British aviation
magazine I read, "Why do I have to wear the aircraft muffler on my head
instead of it being on the airplane?"
Ted
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: A Bigger Better ePanel Builder?? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Walter Tondu <walter@tondu.com>
On 05/09 2:24, Paul Folbrecht wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht <paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com>
>
> To tell you the truth, I just spent a half-hour with your site building Panel
> Candidate #1 and found it really great.
>
> But, two niceties that would make it better:
>
> 1) Some sort of "snap-to-grid" feature that auto-aligns components.
>
> 2) A Save button that will save the panel locally as a .jpg, instead of having
> to copy/paste to Paint or whatever.
Hi Bill,
I found your site very useful when designing/destroying my panel. The one
item that was challenging was to 'precisely' place items on the panel, especially
if there was any close interferance issues. Snap to grid and a larger on-screen
panel
area might help.
Now how about having the panel *rotate* in the 'Z' axis so we can see
the depth of the instruments, and any interferance issues with the subpanel.
Ok, now for the real "wannahave". How about providing a nice CAD drawing
of the cutouts once the design is complete :)
It's a great site and it will be hard to make better, but I'm sure you will.
--
Walter Tondu
http://www.rv7-a.com
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Emrath" <emrath@comcast.net>
Thanks Michael for the link. Under the page for SAFEGUARD CC it states "
SafeGard CC aluminum pretreatment provides excellent corrosion resistance
without paint. Simple cleaning, or all other chrome-free pretreatment
systems, leaves the metal open to corrosion." They also state "Are there
time restraints on painting after pretreatment? NO, you may paint right
after pretreatment and drying or a year or more later."
So, I think I may give this a try. I'd like to use this on the metal under
the cowling and for the inside (an outside) of the push tubes, both ailerons
and elevator, with out further painting.
Hey Marty,
The answer is that this is a conversion coating, so it is about two or three
molecules thick and needs to be protected with either their clear sealer or
a
traditional primer.
Here is the link:
http://www.sanchem.com/
Regards,
Michael Wynn
RV-8, Empennage
San Ramon, California
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Martin Hone" <mctrader@bigpond.net.au>
Hi John,
My factory-new O-320 had exactly the same happen at its first 100 hourly
inspection, except it was on the bottom plug of cylinder #4. We pulled the
top plug on the same cylinder and it was perfect, so it obviously was not a
problem with the cylinder, and the engine hardly uses any oil between
changes. It was suggested that the valve guide may be dropping a small
amount of oil directly onto the lower plug at shutdown, but I am open to any
other suggestions.....
Martin in Oz
<mailto:mctrader@bigpond.net.au>
RV6
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--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
Fiveonepw@aol.com wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 05/09/2005 5:21:47 PM Central Standard Time,
> ceengland@bellsouth.net writes:
> It seemed clear to me that
> the posting was an attempt to get the 'other side' of the story from the
> pilots involved.
>
>
> Same here- maybe get a "lesson-lernt" out of it as opposed to questioning
> motives, finger-points & list speculation? Think I'll get me a gorilla mask
and
> sneak up on the TVRVBG dudes next time they stop for gas... (hmmm... maybe a
> strategically-placed banana peel on Sams tailwheel) 8-)
>
> do not archive for sake of keeping trash out of archives!
Ok....I'll *consider* buying into the "desire for getting the entire
story". But.........wouldn't it have been much better to get the facts
directly from the pilots involved instead of scattering all the dirty
laundry all over RV-dom???? A quick look at the FAA registry would have
revealed that the pilots involved are easily contacted since they have
quite high visibility in our community.
Each of us....consider how we would feel (and how will the pilots
involved feel after they return from their island vacation?) if the tail
number of our plane had been broadcast on the list as was done to the
"rude?" pilots before we had a chance to explain/defend/refute/accept
our actions.
Sam Buchanan (on the lookout for banana peels and other discarded
vegetable debris)
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--> RV-List message posted by: bill shook <billshook2000@yahoo.com>
> Each of us....consider how we would feel (and how will the pilots
> involved feel after they return from their island vacation?) if the tail
> number of our plane had been broadcast on the list as was done to the
> "rude?" pilots before we had a chance to explain/defend/refute/accept
> our actions.
I would quite simply slice my wrists. What could there possibly be to live for
if
people I never met thought I might be rude for possibly doing something that might
have
offended someone who bought a house right next to an airport and then complained
about
the noise? Oh thank you Jesus that this has never happened to me, or I would be
living
out my life as a monk in Tibet, praying for the forgiveness of whiners the world
over
and striving to save every earthworm I could find. Well either that or I would
laugh
and get out the map to plan my next trip.
:-) Hehehe. Is it Monday already? Ok, who took off with my weekend? I got robbed.
Charlie Kuss is probably still sipping fruity drinks on his balcony with that marine
corps hippie guy and here I am working like a slave. It's criminal I tell ya.
Bill
Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out!
http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Conversion Coating and Priming with Sanchem |
--> RV-List message posted by: MLWynn@aol.com
Hi Brad
Welcome to RV land. I ordered a gallon each. I can see that the cleaner
(part C) will run out first. I suspect I will get through the wings with the two
gallons of A+B that I have. so, I would say to start with a gallon and each
and see how it goes.
Regards,
Michael Wynn
RV-8, Empennage
San Ramon, California
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| Subject: | Re: Noisy Airplanes (was Rude RV'ers) |
--> RV-List message posted by: MLWynn@aol.com
You know, that is a question I have asked myself numerous times. Why don't
we put an effective muffler on our planes? Is it a weight issue? Would the
muffler degrade the engine performance that much? Any aeronautical engineers
out there know the answer?
Regards,
Michael Wynn
RV-8, Empennage
San Ramon, California
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| Subject: | Re: A Bigger Better ePanel Builder?? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
How about a snap to grid, and, more importantly, an "align" feature so
you can produce smooth rows of instruments and switches that are aligned.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
Bill VonDane wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
>
> Hey all... This may or not be entirely RV related but I do think it's
> appropriate as I know MANY of you use the site...
>
> I am on the verge of redesigning the ePanel Builder into a fully featured
> panel planning web application - www.epanelbuilder.com - and need your input
> on what you like about the site, what you don't like and what functions and
> features you would like to see in the future versions...
>
> If you could please take a minute to submit your comments it will go a long
> way to making the site exactly what you all would like it to be... Anything
> is possible so don't be afraid to ask for it...
>
> http://www.vondane.com/epb_survey/
>
> Thanks in advance! ..and do not archive
>
> -Bill
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Noisy Airplanes (was Rude RV'ers) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@comcast.net>
MLWynn@aol.com wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: MLWynn@aol.com
>
>You know, that is a question I have asked myself numerous times. Why don't
>we put an effective muffler on our planes? Is it a weight issue? Would the
>muffler degrade the engine performance that much? Any aeronautical engineers
>out there know the answer?
>
>Regards,
>
>Michael Wynn
>RV-8, Empennage
>San Ramon, California
>
>
>
>
Most of the noise you hear from an aircraft flying overheard is prop noise.
Jerry
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| Subject: | More O-360 Questions |
--> RV-List message posted by: "" <tx_jayhawk@excite.com>
All, I am trying to finalize the options for my planned O-360, and I had a few
questions I was needing help to understand: 1) I have a FP prop, but I understand
it is possible to set the engine up for a CS (then plug it for FP)? I want
the ability to easily upgrade to CS prop in the future if possible. What does
the $500 adder that Mattituck charges for CS engine consist of? 2) I noticed
the option for horizontal (cold-air induction) on the IO models. Is it not
possible to do horizontal induction with the O-360? How much does that generally
add to the basic cost of the engine (Aerosport or Mattituck)? 3) Will all
of the "regular" O-360s (Aersport, Mattituck, Superior, etc.) use the Dynafocal
#1 mount? Are there percieved advantages of one mount vs the other? I would
also be intersted in talking off-line with anyone who has done the Sam James
cowl. I am curious about the deletions required for the finish kit order. Thanks,Scott7A
Waiting for Fuse
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| Subject: | RE: To ram air or NOT to ram air -- that is the question |
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85@bellsouth.net>
Dan,
Great effort and research, pretty slick how your filtered setup worked
so well. One other thought is based on an experience with my first
airplane, a Q-2/200. A friend of mine experimented with the ram air aspects
as all the engines were set up that way with some very creative filters (a
t-shirt for example). One thing guys tried was varying lengths of the inlet
with the focus being on how close to the prop you should get. The closer
you got, the better the performance and the impression was you got a bit of
a turbo-type boost as the prop went buy. The next step was to align the
prop so you would get the most benefit of the pressure and that was based on
trying to get a blade past the inlet about the time an intake valve was
about to open. Far from an exact science, but some guys seemed to have
pretty good success with it.
Marcus
RV-10, tailcone well on it's way, QB on the ocean
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| Subject: | Re: A Bigger Better ePanel Builder?? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Walter Tondu <walter@tondu.com>
On 05/09 7:57, Walter Tondu wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Walter Tondu <walter@tondu.com>
>
> On 05/09 2:24, Paul Folbrecht wrote:
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht <paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com>
> >
> > To tell you the truth, I just spent a half-hour with your site building Panel
> > Candidate #1 and found it really great.
> >
> > But, two niceties that would make it better:
> >
> > 1) Some sort of "snap-to-grid" feature that auto-aligns components.
> >
> > 2) A Save button that will save the panel locally as a .jpg, instead of having
> > to copy/paste to Paint or whatever.
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> I found your site very useful when designing/destroying my panel. The one
> item that was challenging was to 'precisely' place items on the panel, especially
> if there was any close interferance issues. Snap to grid and a larger on-screen
panel
> area might help.
>
> Now how about having the panel *rotate* in the 'Z' axis so we can see
> the depth of the instruments, and any interferance issues with the subpanel.
'X' axis. I guess this depends upon which planet you come from...
> Ok, now for the real "wannahave". How about providing a nice CAD drawing
> of the cutouts once the design is complete :)
>
> It's a great site and it will be hard to make better, but I'm sure you will.
> --
> Walter Tondu
> http://www.rv7-a.com
>
>
>
>
>
--
Walter Tondu
http://www.rv7-a.com
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| Subject: | Re:Dimple Dies-regular vs. springback |
--> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
I think the extra cost of springback dies is miney well spent. I used them
on our RV-4 and my neighbor used regular. We both riveted together on both
planes and ours is very much smoother than his. We back-riveted on both
fuselages and it really shows up there.
I think I got mine from Bob Avery.
Bob Olds RV-4 , N1191X
A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor
Charleston,Arkansas
Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers
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| Subject: | Re: Noisy Airplanes (was Rude RV'ers) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Oke <wjoke@shaw.ca>
Our European colleagues have been dealing with aircraft noise issues for
many years and have considerable experience with improved (quieter) muffler
systems.
Perhaps some of our European readers can provide some www links to local
muffler suppliers.
Here is one link, ironically to an item from Tony Bingelis's "Firewall
Forward".
http://www.piteraq.dk/flight/muffler.html
Jim Oke
Wpg, MB
RV-6A, RV-3
----- Original Message -----
From: <MLWynn@aol.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Noisy Airplanes (was Rude RV'ers)
> --> RV-List message posted by: MLWynn@aol.com
>
> You know, that is a question I have asked myself numerous times. Why
> don't
> we put an effective muffler on our planes? Is it a weight issue? Would
> the
> muffler degrade the engine performance that much? Any aeronautical
> engineers
> out there know the answer?
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael Wynn
> RV-8, Empennage
> San Ramon, California
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" <dean.psiropoulos@verizon.net>
The owner of N628PV gave myself and fellow RV-7 builder Dave Hollingsworth
rides out of Clearwater Airpark this past Friday afternoon (day before all
the excitement). I had never met Paul before but he is one of the most
gracious persons I have had the pleasure to know and most professional in
all his actions when flying the RV. He was very considerate of the noise
issue, very careful about NOT busting Tampa's class B airspace and very
careful about flying the proper pattern when landing at Clearwater. We went
out over the gulf to have our fun and were never below 2500 feet MSL during
that time. I suspect that it was the noise of 5 un-muffled RVs taking off
that made the neighbors upset. So they probably called St. Pete tower to
complain and St. Pete called CLW to find out what was going on. I don't
believe for a minute that any of those RV folks did anything to create this
uproar (if one of them did mess up I'm sure it was accidental, there's just
too much experience there). Thanks for the E-ticket Paul and I hope you and
Victoria have a great vacation in spite of all this.
Dean Psiropoulos
RV-6A N197DM
Tarpon Sprgs, FL
----Original Message Follows----
From: Finn Lassen <finn.lassen@verizon.net>
Subject: RV-List: Rude RVers?
--> RV-List message posted by: Finn Lassen <finn.lassen@verizon.net>
Apparently the following RVers visited Clearwater Airpark (CLW) today:
N699JB, N99PZ, N515L, N695LS and N628PV.
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