Today's Message Index:
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1. 02:58 AM - Re: Noisy Airplanes and Altitude (Bob Hodgson)
2. 04:03 AM - Pro-sealing tank baffle - thanks! (John Lawson)
3. 04:06 AM - Re: mounting wings in a 6A (LarryRobertHelming)
4. 04:36 AM - Re: Descending into pattern? (was: Joy Riding in the Pattern) (LarryRobertHelming)
5. 05:42 AM - Re: mounting wings in a 6A (Richard Dudley)
6. 06:41 AM - Re: Pro-sealing fuel tank baffle (Larry Bowen)
7. 07:25 AM - Rudder return springs (J. R. Dial)
8. 07:32 AM - Re: Descending into pattern? (was: Joy Riding in the Pattern) (Jeff Point)
9. 01:13 PM - Re: cowl fit (sarg314)
10. 01:17 PM - Re: Descending into pattern? (was: Joy Riding in the Pattern) (Chris W)
11. 02:22 PM - Re: mounting wings in a 6A (Kelly Patterson)
12. 02:55 PM - Re: mounting wings in a 6A (Rquinn1@aol.com)
13. 02:56 PM - Re: 1000 FPM climb at 17,500' (Ron Lee)
14. 03:22 PM - Re: cowl fit (Tom Gummo)
15. 03:25 PM - Re: Descending into pattern? (was: Joy Riding in the Pattern) (Tom Gummo)
16. 03:40 PM - Re: 1000 FPM climb at 17,500' (Chuck Jensen)
17. 03:53 PM - Re: cowl fit (JOHN STARN)
18. 04:04 PM - Re: cowl fit (JOHN STARN)
19. 04:17 PM - Re: 1000 FPM climb at 17,500' (Dan Checkoway)
20. 04:22 PM - Re: 3pt vs Wheel landings!!!! (RV6 Flyer)
21. 04:59 PM - Re: 1000 FPM climb at 17,500' (Doug Rozendaal)
22. 05:47 PM - Re: Re: 3pt vs Wheel landings!!!! (John Loretz)
23. 07:22 PM - Re: Re: 3pt vs Wheel landings!!!! (Jim Cimino)
24. 07:23 PM - 1st customer RV-10 flys! (RV6 Flyer)
25. 08:13 PM - Re: Re: 3pt vs Wheel landings!!!! (Larry Pardue)
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| Subject: | Re: Noisy Airplanes and Altitude |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Hodgson" <bob@hodgson252.freeserve.co.uk>
Chris,
Noise level decreases as the inverse square of the distance, so doubling the
distance (height) gives you a quarter of the noise, which is a 6 dB
reduction in sound pressure level.
I did a college study once which concluded that a conventional aircraft with
an 0-360 and no muffler would have to be up at 9000ft to give 60 dBA SPL on
the ground, a design specifically for low noise would be around 2000ft, and
a compromise (standard aircraft with a muffler) around 6700 ft. All at max
rated power and rpm as per FAR 36.
60 dBA was chosen as a target below which complaints were unlikely.
There were a whole stack of conservative assumptions made in getting those
figures, so they're only barely useful as a very rough guide.
Bob
----- Original Message -----
> From: Chris W <1qazxsw23edcvfr45tgbnhy67ujm@cox.net>
> Subject: RV-List: Noisy Airplanes and Altitude
> I was just curious how high you would have to be for the sound level on
> the ground to be low enough that it probably wouldn't be hard in
> someones house. Maybe there is a formula of x DB drop per 1000 feet of
> altitude. Does anyone know?
>
> --
> Chris W
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| Subject: | Pro-sealing tank baffle - thanks! |
--> RV-List message posted by: John Lawson <rv6builder48138@yahoo.com>
A big "thank you!" to everyone who responded, both on-
and off-line, to my question regarding some tips to
prosealing the tank baffle. Every response had at
least one idea that I hadn't seen in the archives (and
I did several searches). Much appreciate!
Do not archive...John
__________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: mounting wings in a 6A |
--> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
It works easily with three people. That is how I did it on my 7, which is
probably easier due to its design than your 6. But you could do it with two
people and a support under the wing of the right height. One person will
have an devel of a time doing it alone.
Indiana Larry, RV7 Tip Up It Flies
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Orear" <jorear@new.rr.com>
Subject: RV-List: mounting wings in a 6A
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Orear" <jorear@new.rr.com>
>
> Howdy group:
>
> Just moved my 6A to the airport and am in the head scratching stage
> regarding supporting my 6A whilst mounting the wings.
>
> Any sage advice regarding how you got your 6A off the main gear and stable
> enough to crawl inside and install wing bolts would be most appreciated.
> I must add that I do have my engine mounted, so I need to take that extra
> weight into consideration.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jeff Orear
> RV6A N782P (reserved)
> ready to plug the wings in
> Peshtigo, WI
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Descending into pattern? (was: Joy Riding in the Pattern) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
Good question. I think the answer to the second part might depend on the
weight and balance of your plane and/or the type of friends you fly with (
that could mean formation flying and maintaining properly spacing ).
Seriously, your plane is heavier up front and could be more difficult to
land 3 Pt than mine. Your approach to stall attitude is more touchy to hold
waiting for the speed to bleed off. My plane is lighter with FP Prop and my
rudder is double painted with its checker board design. My W&B info is on
your web site. I think for that reason, it should be easier to land my
plane in 3 Pt than yours. Why, also because 3 Pt. is done at slower speed
which can mean safer.
Just kidding here, but maybe all pilots are not ex aircraft carrier landing
trained.
Indiana Larry, RV7 Tip Up It Flies
>
>
> What's a "3pt landing" and why-oh-why would you ever consider doing one in
> a
> tailwheel RV?!
>
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| Subject: | Re: mounting wings in a 6A |
--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Dudley <rhdudley@att.net>
Hi Jeff,
My solution to supporting the fuselage during wing attach was the
following:
I made a cradle of 2x6s and 1x4s that conform with he bottom of the
fuselage. Using a automotive floor jack under the cradle, I raised the
fuselage high enough to place two saw horses (made for the purpose) one
under each end of the cradle and lowered the cradle onto the saw horses.
Using shims under the cradle I leveled the fuselage to allow the
incidence angle steps when drilling the rear spars. This provided a
stable platform while working in the cockpit.
Hope this helps.
Richard Dudley
-6A flying
Jeff Orear wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Orear" <jorear@new.rr.com>
>
>Howdy group:
>
>Just moved my 6A to the airport and am in the head scratching stage regarding
supporting my 6A whilst mounting the wings.
>
>Any sage advice regarding how you got your 6A off the main gear and stable enough
to crawl inside and install wing bolts would be most appreciated. I must
add that I do have my engine mounted, so I need to take that extra weight into
consideration.
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>Regards,
>
>Jeff Orear
>RV6A N782P (reserved)
>ready to plug the wings in
>Peshtigo, WI
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Pro-sealing fuel tank baffle |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
Don't forget to put plastic wrap on the wing spar and install the tank to
the wing while the proseal cures. This ensures there will be no cured
proseal to spar interference later....
-
Larry Bowen, RV-8, 80+ hrs
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HCRV6@aol.com [mailto:HCRV6@aol.com]
> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 12:03 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Pro-sealing fuel tank baffle
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
>
> John: I'm assuming that you are referring to the back
> baffle or rear tank
> cover plate. What I did, and no leaks so far knock on wood,
> was to make certain that the mating surfaces were absolutely
> clean with lacquer thinner and well scrubbed with a stainless
> steel brush as Van's recommends. I then applied a good coat
> of pro-seal to both surfaces and enlisted my wife to assist
> in spreading the tank skins while sliding the baffle into
> place so that I scraped as little pro-seal as possible off
> the mating surfaces while getting the baffle into place. As
> soon as the baffle was in place and clecoed, I installed a
> bunch of wood strips between the clecoes and clamped them to
> hold the tank skin to the baffle flanges. When this was done
> I turned the whole mess baffle side down so that any excess
> pro-seal on the inside would flow down into the joint to form
> a fillet and let it set for several days. Like I said, no
> leaks so far in almost 80 hours.
>
> Harry Crosby
> RV-6 N16CX, 76+ hours
>
>
> Photoshare, and much much more:
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Rudder return springs |
--> RV-List message posted by: "J. R. Dial" <jrdial@hal-pc.org>
I want to install rudder return springs in my
RV6 with a slight bias to the right. Does somebody have a picture of how
they did this and what springs you used? You can answer off list.
Thanks,
Dick
N89DD
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Descending into pattern? (was: Joy Riding in the Pattern) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
How's about landing at 1700 ft grass strip with trees on either end? 3
points have a lower touch down speed and much shorter landing distances.
Jeff Point
(mostly serious;)
do not archive
>
>What's a "3pt landing" and why-oh-why would you ever consider doing one in a
>tailwheel RV?!
>
>(mostly joking)
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: sarg314 <sarg314@comcast.net>
For the record, it looks like I found a solution to my cowl fit
problem. John Starn described fixing such mismatches with a heat gun.
I set my heat gun on LOW and tried it. I was very cautious about
overheating the cowl, but I could see some improvement so I kept
repeating the process, escalating the amount of heating each time. I
did it about 5 times.
"The process" is heating the cowl for 3 or 4 minutes while deforming it
quite a bit more than the change in shape that you actually want and
then holding it in that position until it cools completely. This method
is able to correct an error on the order of 3/16".
--
Tom Sargent, RV-6A, cowl.
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| Subject: | Re: Descending into pattern? (was: Joy Riding in the Pattern) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <1qazxsw23edcvfr45tgbnhy67ujm@cox.net>
Jeff Point wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
>
>How's about landing at 1700 ft grass strip with trees on either end? 3
>points have a lower touch down speed and much shorter landing distances.
>
>
>
What about a 1 point landing? Can't you bring the tail wheel down first
in an RV and wouldn't that be the slowest landing? A friend of mine
said he did that in a super cub one time when he had to land in a very
short distance.
--
Chris W
Gift Giving Made Easy
Get the gifts you want &
give the gifts they want
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| Subject: | mounting wings in a 6A |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kelly Patterson" <kbob@cox.net>
Jeff,
Getting close are we? Grab the motor mount with a hoist & nylon strap. Try
a short (~12-18") saw horse just aft of the firewall (~3"). Place a similar
tall support at the emp. The fuse will just be balanced at this point, so
you may want to use some weight at the tail. Mate the wings at the center
splice plate, then hoist the front using the motor mount (not the motor) and
put in a tall (~40") sawhorse. Now you can place the gear mounts and gear
legs all around and finish the spar bolts.
FWIW - I have not done this yet, but have put the wings on, had the gear on
& off, and now have the motor & cowl hanging over a short sawhorse. I'll be
doing the above in the near future.
Kelly Patterson
RV6A N716K
Baffled with baffles
PHX,AZ
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Orear" <jorear@new.rr.com>
Howdy group:
Just moved my 6A to the airport and am in the head scratching stage
regarding supporting
my 6A whilst mounting the wings.
Any sage advice regarding how you got your 6A off the main gear and stable
enough
to crawl inside and install wing bolts would be most appreciated. I must
add
that I do have my engine mounted, so I need to take that extra weight into
consideration.
Thanks in advance.
Regards,
Jeff Orear
RV6A N782P (reserved)
ready to plug the wings in
Peshtigo, WI
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| Subject: | Re: mounting wings in a 6A |
--> RV-List message posted by: Rquinn1@aol.com
Jeff, we made stands for the wings and the fuselage from parts of our jig.
We made the stands so that we could adjust them by raising or lowering the
center section and supported the center section with large C clamps. We also used
pipe insulation foam on the center sections to prevent scratching the wings
and fuselage.
We have found the stands have been helpful in supporting the wings and
fuselage while changing tires, and installing the wheel pants.
Hope this helps
Rollie & Rod
N799RQ with about 120 hours
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| Subject: | Re: 1000 FPM climb at 17,500' |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
>Hmmm. Strong winds; Rocky Mountains; very little available horsepower;
>1,000 FPM climb. Sure sounds like mountain wave, to me.
>
>Larry Pardue
You folks got it. I believe that this was my first experience with mountain
wave lift. I have been in a sink condition in the plains area west of the
mountains where I got the lift last week.
Ron Lee
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
Tom,
Did you have to put Jack Starns's name in the email (KABONG)?
Jack helped me build the rocket and he never lets me forget the few times he
was "right."
Tom Gummo
Apple Valley, CA
Harmon Rocket-II
do not archive
http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "sarg314" <sarg314@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: cowl fit
> --> RV-List message posted by: sarg314 <sarg314@comcast.net>
>
> For the record, it looks like I found a solution to my cowl fit
> problem. John Starn described fixing such mismatches with a heat gun.
> I set my heat gun on LOW and tried it. I was very cautious about
> overheating the cowl, but I could see some improvement so I kept
> repeating the process, escalating the amount of heating each time. I
> did it about 5 times.
>
> "The process" is heating the cowl for 3 or 4 minutes while deforming it
> quite a bit more than the change in shape that you actually want and
> then holding it in that position until it cools completely. This method
> is able to correct an error on the order of 3/16".
> --
> Tom Sargent, RV-6A, cowl.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Descending into pattern? (was: Joy Riding in the Pattern) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
Jeff,
Any chance you can install a cable across the middle of the field (aircraft
carrier like). I will then install a hook on my plane. :-)
Tom "GummiBear" Gummo
Wild Weasel #1573
Apple Valley, CA
Harmon Rocket-II
do not archive
http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Point" <jpoint@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Descending into pattern? (was: Joy Riding in the
Pattern)
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
>
> How's about landing at 1700 ft grass strip with trees on either end? 3
> points have a lower touch down speed and much shorter landing distances.
>
> Jeff Point
> (mostly serious;)
> do not archive
>
>>
>>What's a "3pt landing" and why-oh-why would you ever consider doing one in
>>a
>>tailwheel RV?!
>>
>>(mostly joking)
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | 1000 FPM climb at 17,500' |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Chuck Jensen" <cjensen@dts9000.com>
Regarding permissibility of a non-IFR rated pilot to file and fly an IFR flight
plan in VFR conditions, Larry Pardue quoted Reg Part 61.3....
(e) Instrument rating. No person may act as pilot in command of a civil
aircraft under ifr or in weather conditions less than the minimums
prescribed for VFR flight unless that person holds:
When I initially read Bruce Gray's posting about VFR pilots being able to file
IFR, I thought 'blasphemy', but after looking at the regs, I wonder. There are
two conditions cited above, 1) weather conditions, and 2) commanding a civil
aircraft under IFR. What the heck does 2) mean? If you file an IFR flight plant,
are you operating under IFR? You are certainly participating in the IFR
system--and that may be what they MEANT to say. Inscrutable. Let us know how
your adminstrative hearing turns out!
Chuck
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--> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
Thanks Tom for the credit but I was just passing on that which was past to
me. I would add that you use a 2X4 to hold the work area in place. Won't
burn your fingers or leave flat spots if you rock & roll while it's cooling.
We did the same thing to relive stress on the canopy BUT with a lot less
heat, less pressure and shorter times.
Side note: It took 26 saw cuts to fit the canopy. Go slow, it works.
KABONG
Subject: Re: RV-List: cowl fit
RV-List message posted by: sarg314 <sarg314@comcast.net>
> For the record, it looks like I found a solution to my cowl fit
> problem. John Starn described fixing such mismatches with a heat gun.
> I set my heat gun on LOW and tried it. I was very cautious about
> overheating the cowl, but I could see some improvement so I kept
> repeating the process, escalating the amount of heating each time. I
> did it about 5 times.
>
> "The process" is heating the cowl for 3 or 4 minutes while deforming it
> quite a bit more than the change in shape that you actually want and
> then holding it in that position until it cools completely. This method
> is able to correct an error on the order of 3/16".
> --
> Tom Sargent, RV-6A, cowl.
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--> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
After all this time, 9+ years, he still adds an extra "s".
Guess that's OK, in my youth I got a baseball trophy for "Jack Stearners"
KABONG aka John H. "Jack" STARN 8*) Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: cowl fit
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
>
> Tom,
>
> Did you have to put Jack Starns's name in the email (KABONG)?
> Jack helped me build the rocket and he never lets me forget the few times
> he
> was "right."
>
> Tom Gummo
> Apple Valley, CA
> Harmon Rocket-II
>
> do not archive
>> --> RV-List message posted by: sarg314 <sarg314@comcast.net>
>> problem. John Starn described fixing such mismatches with a heat gun.
>> "The process" is heating the cowl for 3 or 4 minutes while deforming it
>> quite a bit more than the change in shape that you actually want and
>> then holding it in that position until it cools completely. This method
>> is able to correct an error on the order of 3/16".
>> --
>> Tom Sargent, RV-6A, cowl.
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: 1000 FPM climb at 17,500' |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
If you request and are given a CLEARANCE with a clearance limit, route,
altitude, etc., then you are operating under IFR until you land or verbally
"cancel IFR." This is regardless of whether you have filed or not.
do not archive
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Jensen" <cjensen@dts9000.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: 1000 FPM climb at 17,500'
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Chuck Jensen" <cjensen@dts9000.com>
>
> Regarding permissibility of a non-IFR rated pilot to file and fly an IFR
flight plan in VFR conditions, Larry Pardue quoted Reg Part 61.3....
>
> (e) Instrument rating. No person may act as pilot in command of a civil
> aircraft under ifr or in weather conditions less than the minimums
> prescribed for VFR flight unless that person holds:
>
> When I initially read Bruce Gray's posting about VFR pilots being able to
file IFR, I thought 'blasphemy', but after looking at the regs, I wonder.
There are two conditions cited above, 1) weather conditions, and 2)
commanding a civil aircraft under IFR. What the heck does 2) mean? If you
file an IFR flight plant, are you operating under IFR? You are certainly
participating in the IFR system--and that may be what they MEANT to say.
Inscrutable. Let us know how your adminstrative hearing turns out!
>
> Chuck
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 3pt vs Wheel landings!!!! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer@hotmail.com>
It is the way you land an RV-6 with a little O-320 engine up front. There
is not much wasted idle thrust to help keep the tail up. You can land them
on the main wheels but the tail is so heavy that it is hard to keep up.
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
1,668 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
http://SoCAL_WVAF.rvproject.com
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Descending into pattern? (was: Joy Riding in the
Pattern)
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
> Almost as much fun as 3pt vs Wheel landings!!!!
What's a "3pt landing" and why-oh-why would you ever consider doing one in a
tailwheel RV?!
(mostly joking)
do not archive
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | Re: 1000 FPM climb at 17,500' |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Chuck Jensen" <cjensen@dts9000.com>
>
Let us know how your adminstrative hearing turns out!
>
> Chuck
The FAR's are intentionally ambiguous to allow arbitrary enforcement.
Tailwinds,
Doug Rozendaal
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| Subject: | Re: 3pt vs Wheel landings!!!! |
--> RV-List message posted by: John Loretz <rv8@loretz.us>
How about an RV8 with the IO-360 200hp? How do you guys prefer to
do landings in these? I just bought a completed/flying RV8 and have
only wheel landed it... How does it behave in a 3 point landing?
Blue Skies!
John
On May 14, 2005, at 5:22 PM, RV6 Flyer wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer@hotmail.com>
>
> It is the way you land an RV-6 with a little O-320 engine up
> front. There
> is not much wasted idle thrust to help keep the tail up. You can
> land them
> on the main wheels but the tail is so heavy that it is hard to keep
> up.
>
> Gary A. Sobek
> "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
> 1,668 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
> http://SoCAL_WVAF.rvproject.com
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Descending into pattern? (was: Joy Riding in the
> Pattern)
> Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 22:43:12 -0700
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
>
>> Almost as much fun as 3pt vs Wheel landings!!!!
>>
>
> What's a "3pt landing" and why-oh-why would you ever consider doing
> one in a
> tailwheel RV?!
>
> (mostly joking)
>
> do not archive
> )_( Dan
> RV-7 N714D
> http://www.rvproject.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 3pt vs Wheel landings!!!! |
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Cimino" <jcimino@echoes.net>
I prefer to do a three-point landing 99% of the time. I like to make sure
the plane is basically fully stalled at landing and this makes the ground
speed as slow as possible. Last winter I went out for a flight and when I
landed my right main tire was flat. It chewed up the wheel pant a little,
but I was able to keep it on the runway and stop it safely. I'm not too
sure I would have had the same outcome if I was doing a wheel landing. A
good friend of mine and the guy who checked me out in tail wheel airplanes
recommends them unless the wind is extremely strong. He has thousands of
hours in tail wheel airplanes and gave Harrison Ford his check out in
vintage tail wheel airplanes for his movie "six days and seven nights". I
have a lot of respect for this guys ability and have found that I feel the
same way. I think that if you can make good three pointers at full-stall, I
think you will find it to be very safe. I know many guys do wheel landings
most of the time and like it, but this works for me.
Jim
Jim Cimino
N7TL
RV-8 S/N 80039
150+ Hours
http://www.geocities.com/jcimino.geo/
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Loretz" <rv8@loretz.us>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: 3pt vs Wheel landings!!!!
> --> RV-List message posted by: John Loretz <rv8@loretz.us>
>
> How about an RV8 with the IO-360 200hp? How do you guys prefer to
> do landings in these? I just bought a completed/flying RV8 and have
> only wheel landed it... How does it behave in a 3 point landing?
>
> Blue Skies!
>
> John
>
> On May 14, 2005, at 5:22 PM, RV6 Flyer wrote:
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer@hotmail.com>
>>
>> It is the way you land an RV-6 with a little O-320 engine up
>> front. There
>> is not much wasted idle thrust to help keep the tail up. You can
>> land them
>> on the main wheels but the tail is so heavy that it is hard to keep
>> up.
>>
>> Gary A. Sobek
>> "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
>> 1,668 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
>> http://SoCAL_WVAF.rvproject.com
>>
>>
>> ----Original Message Follows----
>> From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Re: RV-List: Descending into pattern? (was: Joy Riding in the
>> Pattern)
>> Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 22:43:12 -0700
>>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>>
>>
>>> Almost as much fun as 3pt vs Wheel landings!!!!
>>>
>>
>> What's a "3pt landing" and why-oh-why would you ever consider doing
>> one in a
>> tailwheel RV?!
>>
>> (mostly joking)
>>
>> do not archive
>> )_( Dan
>> RV-7 N714D
>> http://www.rvproject.com
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | 1st customer RV-10 flys! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer@hotmail.com>
Congradulations John Nys on your first fight of an RV-10.
From the SoCAL-RVList at yahoogroups
------- insert --------
From: Kevin Osborn <kosborn_2000@yahoo.com>
Subject: History kosborn_2000
Hi all,
I wanted to let you know I witnessed history today for
the RV world.
Today for 20 minutes the first customer built RV-10
flew today at KO38, Owasso, OK.
The plane N3146S owned and piloted by John Nyes flew
today. He confirmed with Van's yesterday that He
would be the first.
I got some great video. If someone has someplace to
post it I can send it to you. I don't know what it
will look like reduced to 5 mb.
Anyway, there should be another 10 in Oregon that will
fly in about 2 weeks.
Kevin
------- end insert -------
Do Not Archive
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
1,668 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
http://SoCAL_WVAF.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | Re: 3pt vs Wheel landings!!!! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue" <n5lp@warpdriveonline.com>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Cimino" <jcimino@echoes.net>
>
> I prefer to do a three-point landing 99% of the time. I like to make sure
> the plane is basically fully stalled at landing and this makes the ground
> speed as slow as possible.
I agree that three-point is the way to go and I like it for the same reasons
you do.
However in my airplane, an RV-6 with 180 hp and Sensenich fixed pitch, that
is not full stall and that does make a difference. A poster today referred
to one point landings, and I have done quite a few. They usually aren't
that pretty though.
In other tail draggers I have flown you really could do nice full stall
landings where you hold the stick all the way back and plop on basically
three point. I find in my 6 you just have to go for the three point
attitude. You are not necessarily done flying when you touch though. If
you really full stall, with most loadings, the nose is real high, the tail
wheel touches way first and the mains hit, way harder than I like.
Have flown the 6 quite a few hours and in some pretty good winds. Haven't
felt the need to wheel land yet, except for sport.
Larry Pardue
Carlsbad, NM
RV-6 N441LP Flying
http://n5lp.net
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