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1. 02:35 AM - Re: Fuel Tank leak testing (luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky))
2. 03:19 AM - Re: RV-List Digest: 69 Msgs - 05/17/05 (Kdh347@aol.com)
3. 04:23 AM - Re: Fuel Tank leak testing (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
4. 04:23 AM - Re: Dynon Panel Question? (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
5. 04:26 AM - Re: Bendix Servo Adjustments (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
6. 06:44 AM - Re: 1000 FPM climb at 17,500' (Apology) (Paul Folbrecht)
7. 07:40 AM - Re: Fuel Tank leak testing (Christopher Stone)
8. 09:19 AM - Re: Fw: Cussing at work (Tony Marshall)
9. 09:23 AM - Re: Re: Bendix Servo Adjustments (Jeff Dowling)
10. 09:46 AM - Prop balancing, second attempt (Bill Dube)
11. 09:59 AM - Cussing at work (Konrad L. Werner)
12. 10:34 AM - Bendix servo adjustemnts (Glen Matejcek)
13. 11:39 AM - Re: Cussing at work (JOHN STARN)
14. 01:53 PM - Engine Mount Part Deux (Stein Bruch)
15. 03:20 PM - Re: Engine Mount Part Deux (dsvs@comcast.net)
16. 04:29 PM - Re: Engine Mount Part Deux (Stein Bruch)
17. 10:30 PM - Catto Prop (Perry Rhoads)
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank leak testing |
--> RV-List message posted by: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky)
When do you call it a day? After you've flown for a couple of hours and shaken
the whole friggin' airframe to near pieces with your lycosaur and and beginner
landings then if you don't develop any weeps and outright leaks you're probably
ok. :-)
do not archive
lucky
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> --> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com
>
>
> In a message dated 5/17/2005 8:40:58 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> dfischer@iserv.net writes:
>
> My guess is this is primarily caused by barometric pressure and temp but my
> question is: when do you call it a day and say definitively the tank doesn't
> leak? I'm beginning to feel it's safe after 8 days, but want to get
> educated opinions. Pretty soon I'll have to take into account evaporation of
> the
> water in the tube!
>
>
> =======================================
>
> It's soup already. You are seeing the diurnal effects of temperature. A
> simple few hour test is all that's required. You have gone well past that.
>
> GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 744hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)
>
>
>
>
>
>
When do you call it a day? After you've flown for a couple of hours and shaken
the whole friggin' airframe to near pieces with your lycosaur and and beginner
landingsthen if you don't develop any weeps and outright leaks you're probably
ok. :-)
do not archive
lucky
-------------- Original message --------------
-- RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com
In a message dated 5/17/2005 8:40:58 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
dfischer@iserv.net writes:
My guess is this is primarily caused by barometric pressure and temp but my
question is: when do you call it a day and say definitively the tank doesn't
leak? I'm beginning to feel it's safe after 8 days, but want to get
educated opinions. Pretty soon I'll have to take into account evaporation of
the
water in the tube!
=======================================
It's soup already. You are seeing the diurnal effects of temperature. A
simple few hour test is all that's required. You have gone well past that.
GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360
-A1A, C/S, Flying 744hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List Digest: 69 Msgs - 05/17/05 |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kdh347@aol.com
please remove me from all lists.
Thank U
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| Subject: | Fuel Tank leak testing |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
8 days?
Oh my god. Get that thing flying man.
<snip> Pretty soon I'll have to take into account evaporation of the
water in the tube!<snip> and pretty soon you will die from old age!
Mike
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Vanremog@aol.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel Tank leak testing
--> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com
In a message dated 5/17/2005 8:40:58 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
dfischer@iserv.net writes:
My guess is this is primarily caused by barometric pressure and temp
but my
question is: when do you call it a day and say definitively the tank
doesn't
leak? I'm beginning to feel it's safe after 8 days, but want to get
educated opinions. Pretty soon I'll have to take into account
evaporation of the
water in the tube!
=======================================
It's soup already. You are seeing the diurnal effects of temperature.
A
simple few hour test is all that's required. You have gone well past
that.
GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 744hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)
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| Subject: | Dynon Panel Question? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
Definitely a per/DAR thing.
I have been through 3 inspections with no whiskey compass. Other compass
devices giving magnetish heading have sufficed and are certainly more
reliable and accurate. Not that inspectors are asked to considered that
fact anyway. Its not their fault, it's a faulty process.
Mike
Do not archive.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve&Anita
Nyman
Subject: RV-List: Dynon Panel Question?
--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve&Anita Nyman" <nyman@bellsouth.net>
Yes, you will need an additional magnetic compass. I not only have a
Dynon with the remote EDC, but also the Chelton Sierra Flight System SV
EFIS. When the DAR came for the inspection (Jan 20, 2005), I did not
have the magnetic compass installed. One the first things he asked was,
where is your mag compass? I pointed out the Dynon and the dual Chelton
display, but he said he had just come from a recent meeting with the FAA
and a mag compass (i.e. wet compass, not power required) is still
required. I did have one handy and mounted on the glare shield while he
continued the inspection. I later removed it and carry in my flight bag
so it will be handy if I need to set it back on the glare shield.
Steve
N174AS, 88 hrs
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| Subject: | RE: Bendix Servo Adjustments |
"Solberg, Scott" <solberg@charter.net>
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
Thanks for the great reply Mahlon.
I have fwd to the list for future reference.
And thanks for all your work on this and other lists. You have been a
tremendous resource.
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Mahlon_Russell@teledyne.com [mailto:Mahlon_Russell@teledyne.com]
Subject: Bendix Servo Adjustments
Hi, There are no field adjustments to the servo for anything other then
idle speed and mixture. There is an idle speed screw on the side of the
servo where the throttle control cable hooks up. In faster out
slower. set for 6-700 RPM warmed up. To adjust the mixture you will note
a turnbuckle arrangement linkage connecting the throttle shaft to a
mixture arm on the servo. This arrangement has two rectangular blocks
with a serrated wheel in the center. the wheel is turnable and IS
prevented from turning by a spring stretched across the serrations. If
you looked at this wheel as the head of a bolt turning the head of the
bolt toward the throttle plate will make the engine richer and away from
the plate will make it leaner. If that doesn't make sense , look closely
at the blocks of the turnbuckle, one of them will have a "R" and an
arrow on it. turning the wheel in the direction of the arrow will make
it richer. set for 25 rpm rise when slowly leaning the engine out at
idle rpm. making it richer will increase the rise and leaner will
decrease the rise. once you have the proper rise. quickly accelerate the
engine , if it will accelerate smoothly without hesitation you are all
set. if not enrichen the idle mixture until it will. double check the
speed and you should be all set. If you need any adjustments to fuel
flow at power, that must be done on a flow bench and isn't field
adjustable.
Good Luck,
Mahlon
1-800-624-6680 ext.305
www.mattituck.com
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| Subject: | 1000 FPM climb at 17,500' (Apology) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht <paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com>
> Oh good god read the whole thread and knock this crap off. This is total
> nonsense!!
>
> do not archive
I need to apologize to the list and to Mr. Robertson for this post. It was
uncalled for and not appropriate.
One of my peeves has always been 'net rudeness and especially people who's
balls seem much larger behind a keyboard than in person. I'm not one of those
people; I just fired-off a quick reply without thinking.
The thing is that the issue does turn out to have some nuances I hadn't
considered and is not as cut-and-dried and I had believed. So, I learned a
little something myself.
I thought the apology ought to be distributed as widely as the original
comment, so here it is. I'll be more careful in the future.
Let's please not ressurrect the thread, though. :->
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank leak testing |
--> RV-List message posted by: Christopher Stone <rv8iator@earthlink.net>
Doug...
I think you are good to go.. I tested mine the same way (manometer) for four hours.
No leaks!
Chris Stone
RV-8 x two
Newberg, OR
--> RV-List message posted by: "Douglas A. Fischer" <dfischer@iserv.net>
A question from a first-timer to the experienced folks out there in RV Land. I'm
currently pressure testing my first tank with a manometer. I started on the
9th of May and the level on the open end of the tube has varied up and down
in about a 5-inch range (it's currently in about the middle of that range - about
a 23 inch difference between the column heights). My guess is this is primarily
caused by barometric pressure and temp but my question is: when do you
call it a day and say definitively the tank doesn't leak? I'm beginning to feel
it's safe after 8 days, but want to get educated opinions. Pretty soon I'll
have to take into account evaporation of the water in the tube!
Doug Fischer
RV-9A 90706 Wings
Jenison, MI
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Cussing at work |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tony Marshall" <tony@lambros.com>
How does this post fit into the RV scheme?
tony marshall
rv6
polson, mt
----- Original Message -----
From: <dwhite17@columbus.rr.com>
White" <HWHITE3@neo.rr.com>; "Dennis White" <jazzabelle1@hotmail.com>;
"Daryl Green" <dgreen@JoiMail.com>
Subject: RV-List: Fw: Cussing at work
> --> RV-List message posted by: <dwhite17@columbus.rr.com>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jamie Cunningham" <cunningham.259@osu.edu>
> To: "Amanda Moore-Johnson" <amoorejohnson@yahoo.com>; "Bret Wiegman"
> <BJWiegman@AOL.COM>; "Chanda Whalen" <WJOURDIAN@AOL.COM>; "Christie Hall"
> <Christie.C.Hall@ssa.gov>; "Christopher Maupin" <Chris.Maupin@osumc.edu>;
> "Chris White" <holdencaulfield2121@yahoo.com>; "Dave White"
> <dwhite17@columbus.rr.com>; "Glen and Tom" <bolstro@woh.rr.com>; "Glen
> Strobel" <gstrobel@woh.rr.com>; "Jamie Meisler" <jlmhs1326@AOL.COM>;
> "Katie
> Frambes" <kef1999@hotmail.com>; "Kristi Kent" <kristiknt@hotmail.com>;
> "Mike
> Johnson" <johnson1616@hotmail.com>; "Mindy Purcell" <Purcellmin@AOL.COM>;
> "Sara Maroscher" <maroscher2@columbus.rr.com>
> Subject: FW: Cussing at work
>
>
>> Subject: Cussing at work
>>
>> Dear Employees:
>>
>>>It has been brought to management's attention that some individuals
>>>throughout the company have been using foul language during the
>>>course of normal conversation with their co-workers. Due to
>>>complaints received from some employees who may be easily offended,
>>>this type of language will no longer be tolerated. We do however,
>>>realize the critical importance of being able to accurately express
>>>your feelings when communicating with co-workers. Therefore, a list
>>>of 18 New and Innovative "TRY SAYING" phrases have been provided so
>>>that proper exchange of ideas and information can continue in an
>>>effective manner.
>>>
>>>
>>>1) TRY SAYING: I think you could use more training.
>>>
>>>INSTEAD OF: You don't know what the f___ you're doing.
>>>
>>>2) TRY SAYING: She's an aggressive go-getter.
>>>
>>>INSTEAD OF: She's a ball-busting b__ch.
>>>
>>>3) TRY SAYING: Perhaps I can work late.
>>>
>>>INSTEAD OF: And when the f___ do you expect me to do this?
>>>
>>>4) TRY SAYING: I'm certain that isn't feasible.
>>>
>>>INSTEAD OF: No f______ way.
>>>
>>>5) TRY SAYING: Really?
>>>
>>>INSTEAD OF: You've got to be sh__ing me!
>>>
>>>6) TRY SAYING: Perhaps you should check with...
>>>
>>>INSTEAD OF: Tell someone who gives a sh__.
>>>
>>>7) TRY SAYING: I wasn't involved in the project.
>>>
>>>INSTEAD OF: It's not my f_cking problem.
>>>
>>>8) TRY SAYING: That's interesting.
>>>
>>>INSTEAD OF: What the f_ck ?
>>>
>>>9) TRY SAYING: I'm not sure this can be implemented.
>>>
>>>INSTEAD OF: This sh_t won't work.
>>>
>>>10) TRY SAYING: I'll try to schedule that.
>>>
>>>INSTEAD OF: Why the h___ didn't you tell me sooner?
>>>
>>>11) TRY SAYING: He's not familiar with the issues.
>>>
>>>INSTEAD OF: He's got his head up his a__.
>>>
>>>12) TRY SAYING: Excuse me, sir?
>>>
>>>INSTEAD OF: Eat sh__ and die.
>>>
>>>13) TRY SAYING: So you weren't happy with it?
>>>
>>>INSTEAD OF: Kiss my a__.
>>>
>>>14) TRY SAYING: I'm a bit overloaded at the moment.
>>>
>>>INSTEAD OF: F___ it, I'm on salary.
>>>
>>>15) TRY SAYING: I don't think you understand.
>>>
>>>INSTEAD OF: Shove it up your a__.
>>>
>>>16) TRY SAYING: I love a challenge.
>>>
>>>INSTEAD OF: This job sucks.
>>>
>>>17) TRY SAYING: You want me to take care of that?
>>>
>>>INSTEAD OF: Who the h___ died and made you boss?
>>>
>>>18 ) TRY SAYING: He's somewhat insensitive.
>>>
>>>INSTEAD OF: He's a pr_ck.
>>>
>>>
>>>Thank You,
>>>
>>>Management
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> ____________________________________________________________________
>> Find the LOWEST PRICES on books at http://www.campusi.com !
>> Check your SchoolEmail at http://www.campusi.com/email
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Bendix Servo Adjustments |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
I took my red sharpie and traced the "R" arrow so I can see it with the
bottom cowl half on. You can just barely get your arm in there to adjust
the wheel with the bottom on, but its just about impossible to see the arrow
unless you mark it. Now if I had a memory I wouldn't have to do this,
but....
Shemp/Jeff Dowling
RV-6A, N915JD
200 hours
Chicago/Louisville
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
<solberg@charter.net>
Subject: RV-List: RE: Bendix Servo Adjustments
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)"
> <mstewart@iss.net>
>
> Thanks for the great reply Mahlon.
>
> I have fwd to the list for future reference.
>
>
> And thanks for all your work on this and other lists. You have been a
> tremendous resource.
>
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mahlon_Russell@teledyne.com [mailto:Mahlon_Russell@teledyne.com]
> To: Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)
> Subject: Bendix Servo Adjustments
>
>
> Hi, There are no field adjustments to the servo for anything other then
> idle speed and mixture. There is an idle speed screw on the side of the
> servo where the throttle control cable hooks up. In faster out
> slower. set for 6-700 RPM warmed up. To adjust the mixture you will note
> a turnbuckle arrangement linkage connecting the throttle shaft to a
> mixture arm on the servo. This arrangement has two rectangular blocks
> with a serrated wheel in the center. the wheel is turnable and IS
> prevented from turning by a spring stretched across the serrations. If
> you looked at this wheel as the head of a bolt turning the head of the
> bolt toward the throttle plate will make the engine richer and away from
> the plate will make it leaner. If that doesn't make sense , look closely
> at the blocks of the turnbuckle, one of them will have a "R" and an
> arrow on it. turning the wheel in the direction of the arrow will make
> it richer. set for 25 rpm rise when slowly leaning the engine out at
> idle rpm. making it richer will increase the rise and leaner will
> decrease the rise. once you have the proper rise. quickly accelerate the
> engine , if it will accelerate smoothly without hesitation you are all
> set. if not enrichen the idle mixture until it will. double check the
> speed and you should be all set. If you need any adjustments to fuel
> flow at power, that must be done on a flow bench and isn't field
> adjustable.
>
> Good Luck,
>
> Mahlon
>
> 1-800-624-6680 ext.305
> www.mattituck.com
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Prop balancing, second attempt |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@al.noaa.gov>
Here is the link:
<http://www.mooneymite.com/articles/favrholdtgbalancingprops.htm>http://www.mooneymite.com/articles/favrholdtgbalancingprops.htm
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad L. Werner" <klwerner@comcast.net>
It sure doesn't !!! Let's dangle the clown from the nearest tree.
do not archive ever
----- Original Message -----
From: Tony Marshall
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Fw: Cussing at work
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tony Marshall" <tony@lambros.com>
How does this post fit into the RV scheme?
tony marshall
rv6
polson, mt
----- Original Message -----
From: <dwhite17@columbus.rr.com>
To: <rv-list@matronics.com>; <LLJ1975@aol.com>; <JhnstnIII@aol.com>; "Hal
White" <HWHITE3@neo.rr.com>; "Dennis White" <jazzabelle1@hotmail.com>;
"Daryl Green" <dgreen@JoiMail.com>
Subject: RV-List: Fw: Cussing at work
> --> RV-List message posted by: <dwhite17@columbus.rr.com>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jamie Cunningham" <cunningham.259@osu.edu>
> To: "Amanda Moore-Johnson" <amoorejohnson@yahoo.com>; "Bret Wiegman"
> <BJWiegman@AOL.COM>; "Chanda Whalen" <WJOURDIAN@AOL.COM>; "Christie Hall"
> <Christie.C.Hall@ssa.gov>; "Christopher Maupin" <Chris.Maupin@osumc.edu>;
> "Chris White" <holdencaulfield2121@yahoo.com>; "Dave White"
> <dwhite17@columbus.rr.com>; "Glen and Tom" <bolstro@woh.rr.com>; "Glen
> Strobel" <gstrobel@woh.rr.com>; "Jamie Meisler" <jlmhs1326@AOL.COM>;
> "Katie
> Frambes" <kef1999@hotmail.com>; "Kristi Kent" <kristiknt@hotmail.com>;
> "Mike
> Johnson" <johnson1616@hotmail.com>; "Mindy Purcell" <Purcellmin@AOL.COM>;
> "Sara Maroscher" <maroscher2@columbus.rr.com>
> Subject: FW: Cussing at work
>
>
>> Subject: Cussing at work
>>
>> Dear Employees:
>>
>>>It has been brought to management's attention that some individuals
>>>throughout the company have been using foul language during the
>>>course of normal conversation with their co-workers. Due to
>>>complaints received from some employees who may be easily offended,
>>>this type of language will no longer be tolerated. We do however,
>>>realize the critical importance of being able to accurately express
>>>your feelings when communicating with co-workers. Therefore, a list
>>>of 18 New and Innovative "TRY SAYING" phrases have been provided so
>>>that proper exchange of ideas and information can continue in an
>>>effective manner.
>>>
>>>
>>>1) TRY SAYING: I think you could use more training.
>>>
>>>INSTEAD OF: You don't know what the f___ you're doing.
>>>
>>>2) TRY SAYING: She's an aggressive go-getter.
>>>
>>>INSTEAD OF: She's a ball-busting b__ch.
>>>
>>>3) TRY SAYING: Perhaps I can work late.
>>>
>>>INSTEAD OF: And when the f___ do you expect me to do this?
>>>
>>>4) TRY SAYING: I'm certain that isn't feasible.
>>>
>>>INSTEAD OF: No f______ way.
>>>
>>>5) TRY SAYING: Really?
>>>
>>>INSTEAD OF: You've got to be sh__ing me!
>>>
>>>6) TRY SAYING: Perhaps you should check with...
>>>
>>>INSTEAD OF: Tell someone who gives a sh__.
>>>
>>>7) TRY SAYING: I wasn't involved in the project.
>>>
>>>INSTEAD OF: It's not my f_cking problem.
>>>
>>>8) TRY SAYING: That's interesting.
>>>
>>>INSTEAD OF: What the f_ck ?
>>>
>>>9) TRY SAYING: I'm not sure this can be implemented.
>>>
>>>INSTEAD OF: This sh_t won't work.
>>>
>>>10) TRY SAYING: I'll try to schedule that.
>>>
>>>INSTEAD OF: Why the h___ didn't you tell me sooner?
>>>
>>>11) TRY SAYING: He's not familiar with the issues.
>>>
>>>INSTEAD OF: He's got his head up his a__.
>>>
>>>12) TRY SAYING: Excuse me, sir?
>>>
>>>INSTEAD OF: Eat sh__ and die.
>>>
>>>13) TRY SAYING: So you weren't happy with it?
>>>
>>>INSTEAD OF: Kiss my a__.
>>>
>>>14) TRY SAYING: I'm a bit overloaded at the moment.
>>>
>>>INSTEAD OF: F___ it, I'm on salary.
>>>
>>>15) TRY SAYING: I don't think you understand.
>>>
>>>INSTEAD OF: Shove it up your a__.
>>>
>>>16) TRY SAYING: I love a challenge.
>>>
>>>INSTEAD OF: This job sucks.
>>>
>>>17) TRY SAYING: You want me to take care of that?
>>>
>>>INSTEAD OF: Who the h___ died and made you boss?
>>>
>>>18 ) TRY SAYING: He's somewhat insensitive.
>>>
>>>INSTEAD OF: He's a pr_ck.
>>>
>>>
>>>Thank You,
>>>
>>>Management
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> ____________________________________________________________________
>> Find the LOWEST PRICES on books at http://www.campusi.com !
>> Check your SchoolEmail at http://www.campusi.com/email
>>
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>
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| Subject: | Bendix servo adjustemnts |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Glen Matejcek" <aerobubba@earthlink.net>
Time: 11:14:56 AM PST US
Subject: RV-List: Bendix servo adjustemnts
From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)"
<mstewart@iss.net>
Can someone point me to a "how to adjust a bendix servo" article or
diagram?
Im helping a buddy adjust his on a 540. Needs mixture adjustments.
Thanks
Mike
Hi Mike-
Precision has a (free) DVD on the subject, as well as MX and
troubleshooting manuals.
Glen Matejcek
aerobubba@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Re: Cussing at work |
--> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
Say: Maybe we should consider all the available options.
Instead of: > It sure doesn't !!! Let's dangle the clown from the nearest
tree.
>How does this post fit into the RV scheme?
It could just bring on a chuckle and/or a smile to some of us.
Fits the "develop camaraderie" within the RV community.
(Refer RV-list guidelines)
From: Tony Marshall
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: Fw: Cussing at work
Note trimmed post & Do Not Archive
KABONG 8*)
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| Subject: | Engine Mount Part Deux |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
Hi All,
Over the past weekend we FINALLY installed a new engine mount & gear legs
onto the new RV6. We swapped out an O-320 conical mount and installed a new
dynafocal 360 mount (this is on a taildragger).
Anyway, the reason for the post is several fold.
#1, the holes from the old mount (laid directly on top of the new mount) of
course didn't line up. The bottom center holes were the culprit, and only
off by about 1/32" inch, but enough to make it a pain! Since the holes were
already drilled in the previously flying plane, we had to "tweak" the new
mount to get the holes to line up.
#2, and THIS is the interesting one. Do any of you remember over the past
couple years where a more than one person were having / had cracks on the
very bottom of the engine mount where the gear legs attached?? There was
more than one person who had cracks all the way around that part of the gear
(below the bolt) right where the gear leg was inserted into the engine
mount. Anyway, the general response from Van's was that it must be due to
something other than the mount (like flying off bumpy grass strip or
something) and basically the mount was fine.
Well, guess what.....the new engine mount has some really hefty and nice
gussetts now welded EXACTLY onto that point of the mount. I looked on my
other RV6 (2002 model) and there is NO gussetts there, so it's something tht
just "appeared" in the past couple of years...don't know when, but that are
of the mount is now a hell of a lot stronger.
Just an FYI...I find it somewhat interesting that things like that just
magically appear.
Also, if anyone is planning a complete gear/mount retrofit to a flying RV6,
it's not entirely a fun project finding a way to support the entire plane
while trying to get the old one off and the new one on (especially when the
holes don't match up).
Last but not least, as comical relief...My -360 I'm installing came off a
Mooney, and I just removed that mount. What a wimpy, flimsy, little pice of
metal compared to the RV6 mount! The engine mount to airframe bolts are
only 1/4", and most of the mount tubing is tiny (1/2" or less)! Makes you
feel a LOT better about the RV's when the mount is laying next to that
Mooney thing :)
Cheers,
Stein Bruch
RV6's, Minneapolis
Do Not Archive
P.S., we now have a nice O-320 straight mount (TD) and matched gear legs
avalaible for someone that needs them! Write me off list if you're
interested. Otherwise, it's off to EBAY.
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Mount Part Deux |
--> RV-List message posted by: dsvs@comcast.net
Stein,
So did you rtemove everything behind the firewall that was drilled and drill new
bottom holes of did you modify the mount. I just finished removing and replacing
all of the lower right side pieces behind the firewall because of a mistake
I made that ended up with one hole elongated . It was a bit of work but
worth it as the two bottom outer bolts take most of the stress from the landing
gear. Don
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
>
> Hi All,
>
> Over the past weekend we FINALLY installed a new engine mount & gear legs
> onto the new RV6. We swapped out an O-320 conical mount and installed a new
> dynafocal 360 mount (this is on a taildragger).
>
> Anyway, the reason for the post is several fold.
>
> #1, the holes from the old mount (laid directly on top of the new mount) of
> course didn't line up. The bottom center holes were the culprit, and only
> off by about 1/32" inch, but enough to make it a pain! Since the holes were
> already drilled in the previously flying plane, we had to "tweak" the new
> mount to get the holes to line up.
>
> #2, and THIS is the interesting one. Do any of you remember over the past
> couple years where a more than one person were having / had cracks on the
> very bottom of the engine mount where the gear legs attached?? There was
> more than one person who had cracks all the way around that part of the gear
> (below the bolt) right where the gear leg was inserted into the engine
> mount. Anyway, the general response from Van's was that it must be due to
> something other than the mount (like flying off bumpy grass strip or
> something) and basically the mount was fine.
>
> Well, guess what.....the new engine mount has some really hefty and nice
> gussetts now welded EXACTLY onto that point of the mount. I looked on my
> other RV6 (2002 model) and there is NO gussetts there, so it's something tht
> just "appeared" in the past couple of years...don't know when, but that are
> of the mount is now a hell of a lot stronger.
>
> Just an FYI...I find it somewhat interesting that things like that just
> magically appear.
>
> Also, if anyone is planning a complete gear/mount retrofit to a flying RV6,
> it's not entirely a fun project finding a way to support the entire plane
> while trying to get the old one off and the new one on (especially when the
> holes don't match up).
>
> Last but not least, as comical relief...My -360 I'm installing came off a
> Mooney, and I just removed that mount. What a wimpy, flimsy, little pice of
> metal compared to the RV6 mount! The engine mount to airframe bolts are
> only 1/4", and most of the mount tubing is tiny (1/2" or less)! Makes you
> feel a LOT better about the RV's when the mount is laying next to that
> Mooney thing :)
>
> Cheers,
> Stein Bruch
> RV6's, Minneapolis
>
> Do Not Archive
>
> P.S., we now have a nice O-320 straight mount (TD) and matched gear legs
> avalaible for someone that needs them! Write me off list if you're
> interested. Otherwise, it's off to EBAY.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Engine Mount Part Deux |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
Actually, we just used the old school RV building technique called "Make it
fit"....
While maybe not the best option, those of use who built these non self
assembling (tongue in cheek) RV's had to do that a bunch of times and are
surely familiar with all the subtle intricacies involved!
Basically all the holes were fine except for the bottome center ones (which
are always the ones that cause a pain in). They were about .032" too low.
So, we got some heavy duty "engine mount tweaking straps", othewise known as
ratchet cargo straps, and simple wrapped a couple of them around the engine
mount going from the bottom cross memeber around the top structure (which
has a LOT of metal in it), using the heavy points on top as the "pull
points". We then just ratcheted the straps tight until we ever so gently
pulled the bottom holes into alignment where then needed to be. Worked like
a charm! But...we still had to install some .020" shims between the mount
and the firewall (common on these installations) to get everything in order.
Cheers,
Stein.
P.S., the only thing we removed from the firewall was the center plate to
install the doghouse (stupid me...we should have done that the 1st time
around) like I did on the 1st -6.
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of dsvs@comcast.net
Subject: Re: RV-List: Engine Mount Part Deux
--> RV-List message posted by: dsvs@comcast.net
Stein,
So did you rtemove everything behind the firewall that was drilled and drill
new bottom holes of did you modify the mount. I just finished removing and
replacing all of the lower right side pieces behind the firewall because of
a mistake I made that ended up with one hole elongated . It was a bit of
work but worth it as the two bottom outer bolts take most of the stress from
the landing gear. Don
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Perry Rhoads" <perryrhoads@ctnet.net>
I would like to buy a used Catto prop for my 0-320 150 hp RV-3. I am currently
using a 68x78 Sterba. I need the small 3/8 bolt holes.
Anybody have one to sell? Other props also considered.
Please reply by private email.
Perry
RV-3 N96GW
Illinois
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