RV-List Digest Archive

Mon 05/23/05


Total Messages Posted: 22



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 12:28 AM - Ameri-King defective ELT from the box (Greg Grigson)
     2. 04:01 AM - Re: Fuel Selector Malfunction (PGLong@aol.com)
     3. 06:15 AM - Re: RV-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 05/22/05 (Kdh347@aol.com)
     4. 06:48 AM - plans table (Frazier, Vincent A)
     5. 07:35 AM - Re: Hanging Plans (cecilth@juno.com)
     6. 10:27 AM - Re: New Rule N 8700.42 (Dale Ensing)
     7. 10:59 AM - Re: Ameri-King defective ELT from the box (sportav8r@AOL.COM)
     8. 01:17 PM - AOA indicator? (Paul Folbrecht)
     9. 02:30 PM - Re: AOA indicator? (linn walters)
    10. 03:29 PM - Re: AOA indicator? (James Ochs)
    11. 04:10 PM - Re: AOA indicator? (DonVS)
    12. 04:35 PM - Slick mag wires (John Porter)
    13. 05:16 PM - Re: AOA indicator? (Paul Folbrecht)
    14. 07:03 PM - Re: AOA indicator? (JOHN STARN)
    15. 07:03 PM - Re: AOA indicator? (DonVS)
    16. 08:16 PM - Re: AOA indicator? (Tedd McHenry)
    17. 09:25 PM - Re: Slick mag wires (Larry Bowen)
    18. 09:25 PM - Re: AOA indicator? (Larry Bowen)
    19. 09:46 PM - Re: AOA indicator? (Barry Chapman)
    20. 09:50 PM - Re: AOA indicator? (RobHickman@aol.com)
    21. 10:05 PM - Re: New Rule N 8700.42 (Mike Robertson)
    22. 11:42 PM - Re: AOA indicator? (linn walters)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:28:41 AM PST US
    From: Greg Grigson <iflyhawaii2@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Ameri-King defective ELT from the box
    --> RV-List message posted by: Greg Grigson <iflyhawaii2@yahoo.com> Guys, I dont know what your experiences are with Ameri-King these days, but BE WARNED. The company recently lost its incorporated status in the state of California. Apparently its not the same company it used to be (very poor grammar indeed!, and the customer service reflects--I lost $200. Read below: Dear Greg: Thank you for your Email today, the ELT P/N AK-450 is warranty 2 years from the date of Purchased. This warranty can be found in the manual P/N IM450 or in the warranty form to be completed whenever purchased the ELT P/N AK-450. This 2 years warranty is much more better than any avionics instruments, equipment manufacturers available in USA. You can repair or replacement to an overhaul ELT for only $129.00 ea. If you decide to replace to the new ELT then the special deal cost to the dealer is only $169.00 ea. we accept credit card Master card, Visa, American Express payment. Please accept our sincere appreciation for your interest in AMERI-KING'S products. Best Regards, VICTOR VAN SALES MANAGER Dear Sir, I am following up on a conversation I had May 17 with one of your customer service employees. I bought an ELT for use in my experimental airplane in 2001 when it came time to install it, the device turned out to be defective, resulting in an uncontrollable beacon. Your representative informed me, however, that since the warranty had expired, I would have no recourse but to pay $125 to repair a unit that was defective in the box. This is clearly a ridiculous proposition, since the most fundamental expectation of any product purchased under any circumstances is that it not be defective before it has even been used! Moreover, since you sell many products specifically for use in home-built aircraft, you are well aware of the normal time frame for building and testing components- the impossibility of knowing beforehand how long the building process will take, and when one will be able to test any product that has to be installed. I am fully prepared to pursue this breach of trust through consumer protection channels, but I would much rather that someone in your organization with executive foresight make reasonable amends for this unreasonable dodging of responsibility, and act to safeguard your reputation. Sincerely, Greg Grigson Honolulu


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    Time: 04:01:25 AM PST US
    From: PGLong@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Fuel Selector Malfunction
    --> RV-List message posted by: PGLong@aol.com Had the same problem with my RV4. Thought I'd either break the handle or be unable to switch tanks and have the same problem you almost had. I changed the whole valve and put in a two position Andair valve. Boy do I like it. No more pucker factor and such smooth operation. Would do it all over again in a minute. Took the old valve and showed the problem to a hangar mate I was unable to budge it after it sat all winter with both hands. Dodged another bullet... Pat Long PGLong@aol.com N120PL RV4 Bay City, Michigan 3CM Do Not Archive


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    Time: 06:15:56 AM PST US
    From: Kdh347@aol.com
    Subject: Re: RV-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 05/22/05
    --> RV-List message posted by: Kdh347@aol.com Please remove me from list.


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    Time: 06:48:05 AM PST US
    Subject: plans table
    From: "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier@usi.edu>
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier@usi.edu> I have my plans on an old piece of junk that, after I cobbled it together, looks like a small drafting table. Basically, I used an old wheel rim, a piece of pipe and a 3' x 4' scrap of plywood to build it. The bottom edge of the table has a lip to keep stuff from rolling off. The plans are held to the top edge of the plywood with a few large binder clips that you can get from Office Depot. It works very well. http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/2003-09-17/rudder%20socket %20filling.jpg the plans table is on the left side of the photo. (Paste the link back together if it wraps onto two lines in your email program. It is a GOOD link.) Vince Oops... I forgot an important detail. You'll notice that I added a tab to the bottom edge of each bluepint sheet. Each tab identifies what is on that particular sheet. You'll save gobs of time if you do this immediately after you get the plans. No hunting through the sheets to find the one you need. I suppose that the hanging plans that another lister showed would be OK for a small shop. It looks like you'd be spending quite a bit of time standing there studying the plans with a bunch of sheets either on your head or a tired arm from holding them up. Not quite so optimal there.


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    Time: 07:35:24 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Hanging Plans
    From: cecilth@juno.com
    --> RV-List message posted by: cecilth@juno.com Here is one way. String a few 'closelines' of wire about 3 inches apart Tape each of the few plans you will use at one time to thin sticks at the top. Run them on the wire one in front of the other. Then just slide the one you are interested in to the part of the shop you need it. Cecil On Thu, 19 May 2005 22:50:30 -0700 "Brad Oliver" <brad@rv7factory.com> writes: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Brad Oliver" <brad@rv7factory.com> > > I seem to remember seeing (on someone's web site) a cool way to hang > the > plans that allowed the builder to flip pages easily, but I can't > find it > again. Anybody know what I am talking about, or have another good > way to > hang them (on wall)? > > Thanks, > Brad > RV-7 Emp Kit Arrived Today - Waiting on Tools > > > > > > >


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    Time: 10:27:07 AM PST US
    From: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: New Rule N 8700.42
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com> What about a tail wheel endorsement? I started flying my tail wheel homebuilt and my C170 before an endorsement was required. Is it included in the new rule? Dale Ensing do not archive


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    Time: 10:59:42 AM PST US
    From: sportav8r@AOL.COM
    Subject: Re: Ameri-King defective ELT from the box
    --> RV-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com I went through the same thing in 1998 (mustbe in the list archives somewhere...) identical circumstances, but they did relent and fix it for free. This problem can be caused from substituting a conventional phone cord for the crossover-wired cord supplied with the unit, if I recall correctly. Be careful to maintain polarity if you decide to cut the cord to shorten it, or to roll your own with crimped connectors. Meanwhile, I'm afraid to test my ELT annually, for fear it will become stuck on again as has happened before. Victor hasn't changed a bit, apparently, and it's catching up to him. -Stormy -----Original Message----- From: Greg Grigson <iflyhawaii2@yahoo.com> Subject: RV-List: Ameri-King defective ELT from the box --> RV-List message posted by: Greg Grigson <iflyhawaii2@yahoo.com> Guys, I dont know what your experiences are with Ameri-King these days, but BE WARNED. The company recently lost its incorporated status in the state of California. Apparently its not the same company it used to be (very poor grammar indeed!, and the customer service reflects--I lost $200. Read below: Dear Greg: Thank you for your Email today, the ELT P/N AK-450 is warranty 2 years from the date of Purchased. This warranty can be found in the manual P/N IM450 or in the warranty form to be completed whenever purchased the ELT P/N AK-450. This 2 years warranty is much more better than any avionics instruments, equipment manufacturers available in USA. You can repair or replacement to an overhaul ELT for only $129.00 ea. If you decide to replace to the new ELT then the special deal cost to the dealer is only $169.00 ea. we accept credit card Master card, Visa, American Express payment. Please accept our sincere appreciation for your interest in AMERI-KING'S products. Best Regards, VICTOR VAN SALES MANAGER Dear Sir, I am following up on a conversation I had May 17 with one of your customer service employees. I bought an ELT for use in my experimental airplane in 2001 when it came time to install it, the device turned out to be defective, resulting in an uncontrollable beacon. Your representative informed me, however, that since the warranty had expired, I would have no recourse but to pay $125 to repair a unit that was defective in the box. This is clearly a ridiculous proposition, since the most fundamental expectation of any product purchased under any circumstances is that it not be defective before it has even been used! Moreover, since you sell many products specifically for use in home-built aircraft, you are well aware of the normal time frame for building and testing components- the impossibility of knowing beforehand how long the building process will take, and when one will be able to test any product that has to be installed. I am fully prepared to pursue this breach of trust through consumer protection channels, but I would much rather that someone in your organization with executive foresight make reasonable amends for this unreasonable dodging of responsibility, and act to safeguard your reputation. Sincerely, Greg Grigson Honolulu


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    Time: 01:17:22 PM PST US
    From: Paul Folbrecht <paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com>
    Subject: AOA indicator?
    --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht <paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com> I'm wondering if an AOA indicator is something I'm really going to want or not. My thoughts are that $800 is a bit of a large chunk of change for this functionality. I have not ever felt a problem flying by ASI and feel - never relied on a spam-can stall-horn to keep me out of trouble anyway. Are there people that think it would be foolish to equip an aircraft with no stall-warning system at all save my own senses?


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    Time: 02:30:54 PM PST US
    From: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: AOA indicator?
    --> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com> Paul Folbrecht wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht <paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com> > >I'm wondering if an AOA indicator is something I'm really going to want or not. > My thoughts are that $800 is a bit of a large chunk of change for this >functionality. I have not ever felt a problem flying by ASI and feel - never >relied on a spam-can stall-horn to keep me out of trouble anyway. > >Are there people that think it would be foolish to equip an aircraft with no >stall-warning system at all save my own senses? > I, for one, won't have a stall warning horn nor an AOA indicator. Just my viewpoint. IMHO, and YMMV. Linn do not archive > > > > --


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    Time: 03:29:52 PM PST US
    From: James Ochs <jochs@froody.org>
    Subject: Re: AOA indicator?
    --> RV-List message posted by: James Ochs <jochs@froody.org> Hrm. Personally I would want some sort of stall warning device just for that one time that something distracts me enough to get out of whack. Hasn't happened to me yet, but given enough time I figure it probably will and it doesn't hurt to have something blatt in your ear to let you know you are getting close to the edge ;) I don't really see it as a primary instrument, more along the lines of tying a string around your finger to remember something.... James Paul Folbrecht wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht <paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com> > >I'm wondering if an AOA indicator is something I'm really going to want or not. > My thoughts are that $800 is a bit of a large chunk of change for this >functionality. I have not ever felt a problem flying by ASI and feel - never >relied on a spam-can stall-horn to keep me out of trouble anyway. > >Are there people that think it would be foolish to equip an aircraft with no >stall-warning system at all save my own senses? > > > > -- There is an art . . . to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss. Douglas Adams, 'The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy'


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    Time: 04:10:17 PM PST US
    From: "DonVS" <dsvs@comcast.net>
    Subject: AOA indicator?
    --> RV-List message posted by: "DonVS" <dsvs@comcast.net> The two fuels may give you different readings, but you can always calibrate the system to the type of fuel you use. Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of linn walters Subject: Re: RV-List: AOA indicator? --> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com> Paul Folbrecht wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht <paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com> > >I'm wondering if an AOA indicator is something I'm really going to want or not. > My thoughts are that $800 is a bit of a large chunk of change for this >functionality. I have not ever felt a problem flying by ASI and feel - never >relied on a spam-can stall-horn to keep me out of trouble anyway. > >Are there people that think it would be foolish to equip an aircraft with no >stall-warning system at all save my own senses? > I, for one, won't have a stall warning horn nor an AOA indicator. Just my viewpoint. IMHO, and YMMV. Linn do not archive > > --


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    Time: 04:35:04 PM PST US
    From: "John Porter" <december29@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Slick mag wires
    --> RV-List message posted by: "John Porter" <december29@bellsouth.net> Hi, Repeat question on mag ignition wires. Slick mags on a Lycoming AEIO-360H1B. Any recommends on wire sets? I know it's not as interesting as power on vs power off apphs or IFR vs VFR panels but still would appreciate any info. Thanks. John Porter 80002 (worlds oldest -8 kit not yet flying..........slowly getting there)


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    Time: 05:16:13 PM PST US
    From: Paul Folbrecht <paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: AOA indicator?
    --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht <paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com> --- James Ochs <jochs@froody.org> wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: James Ochs <jochs@froody.org> > > Hrm. Personally I would want some sort of stall warning device just for > that one time that something distracts me enough to get out of whack. > Hasn't happened to me yet, but given enough time I figure it probably > will and it doesn't hurt to have something blatt in your ear to let you > know you are getting close to the edge ;) I don't really see it as a > primary instrument, more along the lines of tying a string around your > finger to remember something.... Perhaps a string tied to the finger connected to a leading edge vane that would flex as critical AOA was neared could be a more economical solution..? In the scope of this project $800 isn't a lot to dwell on but everything adds up. do not archive


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    Time: 07:03:20 PM PST US
    From: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: AOA indicator?
    --> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net> We have AOA in HRII N561FS. We installed the indicator on the upper right of the panel. As we found out later Gummibear looks out the left side of the Rocket during final & in flare. The lights are bright enough to be seen in the canopy reflection and when Tom "shifts" to the left I have a full view of it. IF there to be a problem on final (lots of wind shear & higher density altitude readings at APV in the summer time) I fill in for the audio warning. If we reach full flare w/o at least all yellow & one flickering red we have a tendency to bounce. Doesn't happen very often any more. IF you put in an AOA make sure you put it where you can see it. Gummi does wheel landings in a tail low "three point" attitude but not three pointed. Tail wheel is approx 12" to 18" off the runway KABONG Do Not Archive Subject: Re: RV-List: AOA indicator? > --> RV-List message posted by: James Ochs <jochs@froody.org> > > Hrm. Personally I would want some sort of stall warning device just for


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    Time: 07:03:21 PM PST US
    From: "DonVS" <dsvs@comcast.net>
    Subject: AOA indicator?
    --> RV-List message posted by: "DonVS" <dsvs@comcast.net> Sorry, this was a reply to another post -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of DonVS Subject: RE: RV-List: AOA indicator? --> RV-List message posted by: "DonVS" <dsvs@comcast.net> The two fuels may give you different readings, but you can always calibrate the system to the type of fuel you use. Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of linn walters Subject: Re: RV-List: AOA indicator? --> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com> Paul Folbrecht wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht <paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com> > >I'm wondering if an AOA indicator is something I'm really going to want or not. > My thoughts are that $800 is a bit of a large chunk of change for this >functionality. I have not ever felt a problem flying by ASI and feel - never >relied on a spam-can stall-horn to keep me out of trouble anyway. > >Are there people that think it would be foolish to equip an aircraft with no >stall-warning system at all save my own senses? > I, for one, won't have a stall warning horn nor an AOA indicator. Just my viewpoint. IMHO, and YMMV. Linn do not archive > > --


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    Time: 08:16:08 PM PST US
    From: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
    Subject: Re: AOA indicator?
    --> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org> I think AOA gauges are great, and I'd love to see them in training airplanes. But thinking back over the last several years I realized that it has been a very long time since I've flown an airplane with either AOA or a stall warning, and I can't say I've missed either. Tedd McHenry Surrey, BC, Canada


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    Time: 09:25:49 PM PST US
    From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
    Subject: Slick mag wires
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com> There is a table in Aircraft Spruce's catalog to help decide which harness is right based on model of engine/mag. Been there, done that just recently. If you get stuck call 'em and they will walk you through it. - Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com > -----Original Message----- > From: John Porter [mailto:december29@bellsouth.net] > Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 5:57 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Slick mag wires > > --> RV-List message posted by: "John Porter" > <december29@bellsouth.net> > > Hi, > Repeat question on mag ignition wires. Slick mags on a > Lycoming AEIO-360H1B. Any recommends on wire sets? I know > it's not as interesting as power on vs power off apphs or IFR > vs VFR panels but still would appreciate any info. Thanks. > > John Porter > 80002 (worlds oldest -8 kit not yet flying..........slowly > getting there) > > > Photoshare, and much much more: > > > > > >


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    Time: 09:25:49 PM PST US
    From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
    Subject: AOA indicator?
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com> I reference mine all the time. No regrets getting it. You can't take it with you, so spend it on avionics. - Larry Bowen, RV-8, AOA Sport. Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com Do not archive > -----Original Message----- > >--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht > <paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com> > > > >I'm wondering if an AOA indicator is something I'm really > going to want > >or > not. > > My thoughts are that $800 is a bit of a large chunk of > change for this > >functionality. I have not ever felt a problem flying by ASI > and feel - > never > >relied on a spam-can stall-horn to keep me out of trouble anyway. > > > >Are there people that think it would be foolish to equip an aircraft > >with > no > >stall-warning system at all save my own senses?


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    Time: 09:46:45 PM PST US
    From: "Barry Chapman" <bcrnfnps@swoi.net>
    Subject: Re: AOA indicator?
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Barry Chapman" <bcrnfnps@swoi.net> Linn, Why not have one? I am new to this sort of thing and would like to hear what rationale you may have for this decision. TIA Barry Chapman Student ----- Original Message ----- From: "linn walters" <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com> Subject: Re: RV-List: AOA indicator? > I, for one, won't have a stall warning horn nor an AOA indicator. Just > my viewpoint. IMHO, and YMMV. > Linn > do not archive


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    Time: 09:50:53 PM PST US
    From: RobHickman@aol.com
    Subject: Re: AOA indicator?
    --> RV-List message posted by: RobHickman@aol.com I obviously don=E2=80=99t have an unbiased opinion but here is my story anyway: When I finished my RV-4 I did not buy an AOA for it, it was expensive and I did not really understand it anyway as I had been taught to fly airspeed only. After I had a friend killed in a stall spin accident in his RV, I decided that I needed install a stall warning system in my RV as an added safety measure. I called Jim Frantz and ordered his AOA Pro system. After installing the system I was very pleased with how it worked as a stall warning system. I was even more surprised as how useful it was as a reference for landing and takeoff. The AOA will tell you your best approach angle of attack regardless of gross weight, bank angle, and altitude. You will find that you will make better and more consistent landings when you use the AOA. The AOA will also give you L/D max regardless of gross weight, bank angle, and altitude which gives you Vy and best engine out glide. We find that pilots that have been in the Navy and have used AOA are the easiest to sell to. I have even had Navy Pilots tell me that they will not get into a plane without an AOA. Here is a good article that Jerry VanGrunsven helped write: _http://www.advanced-control-systems.com/AOAarticles/KitPlanes%20Article.pdf_ (http://www.advanced-control-systems.com/AOAarticles/KitPlanes%20Article.pdf) Last year I got the opportunity to purchase the AOA product line from Jim Frantz and have added it to our existing product line. A stall warning system that does not have an audible warning is not going to help you if you get into trouble. Also if you modify the Airfoil (put the flaps down) you will change the AOA performance values and your AOA instrument had better take this into account to be accurate. Rob Hickman www.Advanced-Flight-Systems.com


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    Time: 10:05:30 PM PST US
    From: "Mike Robertson" <mrobert569@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Re: New Rule N 8700.42
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Robertson" <mrobert569@hotmail.com> You are grandfathered. You do not need a "new" endorsement. This new rule is only about category and class ratings. Mike Robertson >From: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com> >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: <rv-list@matronics.com> >Subject: Re: RV-List: New Rule N 8700.42 >Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 10:04:09 -0400 > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com> > >What about a tail wheel endorsement? I started flying my tail wheel >homebuilt and my C170 before an endorsement was required. Is it included in >the new rule? >Dale Ensing >do not archive > >


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    Time: 11:42:08 PM PST US
    From: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: AOA indicator?
    --> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com> Rob, some comments: RobHickman@aol.com wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: RobHickman@aol.com > > >I obviously don=E2=80=99t have an unbiased opinion but here is my story anyway: >When I finished my RV-4 I did not buy an AOA for it, it was expensive and I >did not really understand it anyway as I had been taught to fly airspeed >only. After I had a friend killed in a stall spin accident in his RV, I decided >that I needed install a stall warning system in my RV as an added safety >measure. > In my post to Barry, this is what I was referring to .... flying on the edge. My first airplane was a Grumman AA-1B ..... the Yankee with improved stall characteristics due to an airfoil change. They're slick, but not as fast as an RV-4 ;-) . But I digress. the Yankee gained a reputation as a widomaker because of approach to landing stall/spin accidents. Not the airplanes fault ..... the fault was due to pilots transitioning from C-150s without being properly checked out. The Grumman requires a little more airspeed on final because the'll sink really fast when slowed up. Most pilots will pull the nose up to arrest the sink, stall, spin, and impact mother earth in a near-vertical attitude. Predictable as sunrise. Here's an example of multiple training failures .... in an airplane that has two distinct warnings prior to stall. First the laminar flow starts to separate, and the noise sounds like someone banging on the wing. Then as the stall progresses, the horn goes off. Then, if the pilot is really stubborn, it will stall. My point here is that, even with two warnings, both audible, the pilot continued to pull the nose up because that's what makes an airplane go up and the ground is getting closer faster. > I called Jim Frantz and ordered his AOA Pro system. After installing >the system I was very pleased with how it worked as a stall warning system. I >was even more surprised as how useful it was as a reference for landing and >takeoff. The AOA will tell you your best approach angle of attack regardless >of gross weight, bank angle, and altitude. You will find that you will make >better and more consistent landings when you use the AOA. >The AOA will also give you L/D max regardless of gross weight, bank angle, >and altitude which gives you Vy and best engine out glide. >We find that pilots that have been in the Navy and have used AOA are the >easiest to sell to. I have even had Navy Pilots tell me that they will not get >into a plane without an AOA. > AOAs are also good for airliners too, but we don't have anything near as sophisticated as a military jet or a 747. Landing a big fighter on a little postage stamp bobbing in the water requires precision that we, as general aviation pilots really don't need. That's just my opinion, and I'm not saying that to kill a sale. By all means, if you think you'll be safer with an AOA unit .... plunk down your cash. You may just be right. >Here is a good article that Jerry VanGrunsven helped write: >_http://www.advanced-control-systems.com/AOAarticles/KitPlanes%20Article.pdf_ >(http://www.advanced-control-systems.com/AOAarticles/KitPlanes%20Article.pdf) > >Last year I got the opportunity to purchase the AOA product line from Jim >Frantz and have added it to our existing product line. > I've looked critically at your AOA, and I'm impressed with it's abilities. I'm just not sure that it's a necessary item for me. >A stall warning system that does not have an audible warning is not going to >help you if you get into trouble. Also if you modify the Airfoil (put the >flaps down) you will change the AOA performance values and your AOA instrument >had better take this into account to be accurate. > And that's what impressed me about the unit. That's about the best selling point ..... IMHO Linn do not archive >Rob Hickman >www.Advanced-Flight-Systems.com > > > > --




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