---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 05/24/05: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 10:25 AM - RV-6 Emp Kit for Sale (Bradley Kidder) 2. 10:25 AM - Re: AOA indicator? (Paul Folbrecht) 3. 10:25 AM - Odyssey battery hold-down in an RV-8 (czechsix@juno.com) 4. 12:30 PM - Re: AOA indicator? (sportav8r@aol.com) 5. 06:52 PM - Rotary engine Seminar May 27-29 (Charlie England) 6. 10:45 PM - Oil Canning On Aft Fuse (Jamie Painter) 7. 10:48 PM - Re: AOA indicator? (Charles Rowbotham) 8. 10:52 PM - Re: Odyssey battery hold-down in an RV-8 (Douglas P. Gardner) 9. 10:53 PM - Re: AOA indicator? (linn walters) 10. 11:03 PM - Re: AOA indicator? (Ron Brown) 11. 11:17 PM - Re: AOA indicator? (Paul Folbrecht) 12. 11:28 PM - Re: AOA indicator? (Larry Bowen) 13. 11:31 PM - endorsement (Wheeler North) 14. 11:33 PM - Re: AOA indicator? (Mickey Coggins) 15. 11:37 PM - Glare shield covering (Steve Struyk) 16. 11:39 PM - Re: AOA indicator? (Sam Buchanan) 17. 11:39 PM - Re: AOA indicator? (RV Builder (Michael Sausen)) 18. 11:39 PM - Re: AOA indicator? (RobHickman@AOL.COM) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 10:25:54 AM PST US From: Bradley Kidder Subject: RV-List: RV-6 Emp Kit for Sale Z-USANET-MsgId: XID043JeXNN20333X36 --> RV-List message posted by: Bradley Kidder RV-6 Empenage Kit for sale. Some riveting done, perhaps 20% complete. $950.00 All parts, no damage. 479-474-8777 ><((((=BA>`=B7.=B8=B8.=B7=B4=AF`=B7.=B8.=B7=B4=AF`=B7...=B8><((((=BA> =B7=B4=AF`=B7.=B8.=B7=B4=AF`=B7.=B8.=B7=B4=AF`=B7.. ><((((=BA>`=B7.=B8=B8.=B7=B4=AF`=B7.=B8.=B7=B4=AF`=B7...=B8><((((=BA> Brad Kidder .=B7=B4=AF`=B7...=B8><((((=BA> N188FW AA-1 #124 "Hawg One" AOPA (ASN/KSLG) - EAA - Angel Flight .=B7=B4=AF`=B7.. ><((((=BA> . , . .=B7=B4=AF`=B7.=B8.=B7=B4=AF`=B7.=B8.=B7=B4=AF`=B7.. ><((((=BA> ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:25:55 AM PST US From: Paul Folbrecht Subject: Re: RV-List: AOA indicator? --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht Here's a bit of devil-advocating on this issue. Seems to me that ppl that die in a stall/spin stalled because *they weren't paying attention*. They weren't expecting a stall and weren't paying attention to ANY of the tools they had. If they had an AOA indicator, it's quite likely they wouldn't have been paying attention to that, either. That said, I do think I'll get one, or at least I'll look for a deal on one when I'm building. do not archive --- Barry Chapman wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Barry Chapman" > > Linn, > > Why not have one? I am new to this sort of thing and would like to hear > what rationale you may have for this decision. TIA > > Barry Chapman > Student > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "linn walters" > To: > Subject: Re: RV-List: AOA indicator? > > > > I, for one, won't have a stall warning horn nor an AOA indicator. Just > > my viewpoint. IMHO, and YMMV. > > Linn > > do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:25:55 AM PST US From: "czechsix@juno.com" Subject: RV-List: Odyssey battery hold-down in an RV-8 --> RV-List message posted by: "czechsix@juno.com" Guys, I just got my Odyssey PC680 battery and am trying to figure out how to strap it down to the battery tray on the firewall of my -8A. Vans plans show to use a U-shaped extrusion across the top of the battery with two long bolts that go through each end of the extrusion and down through the sides of the battery tray. Looks like it would work fine for a bigger Concorde battery but the tall/skinny PC680 is a different story. I can sorta fit the extruded bar across the aft part of the battery with enough clearance to stay away from the terminals, but I'm wondering if I also need to secure the battery in some way to keep it from tipping or sliding forward. What have others done? Any pics out there? Thanks, --Mark Navratil Cedar Rapids, Iowa RV-8A N2D wiring almost done...! ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:30:16 PM PST US From: sportav8r@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: AOA indicator? --> RV-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com Larry, you shoulda' spent your avionics budget on an auto-landing device. We have you on video ;-) -Stormy do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Larry Bowen Subject: RE: RV-List: AOA indicator? --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" I reference mine all the time. No regrets getting it. You can't take it with you, so spend it on avionics. - Larry Bowen, RV-8, AOA Sport. Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com Do not archive > -----Original Message----- > >--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht > > > > >I'm wondering if an AOA indicator is something I'm really > going to want > >or > not. > > My thoughts are that $800 is a bit of a large chunk of > change for this > >functionality. I have not ever felt a problem flying by ASI > and feel - > never > >relied on a spam-can stall-horn to keep me out of trouble anyway. > > > >Are there people that think it would be foolish to equip an aircraft > >with > no > >stall-warning system at all save my own senses? ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:52:37 PM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: RV-List: Rotary engine Seminar May 27-29 1.30 UNDISC_RECIPS Valid-looking To "undisclosed-recipients" --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England For those interested in rotary engine power for aircraft, there will be a rotary event here at Slobovia Outernational (MS71) just north of Jackson MS beginning Friday afternoon, May 27. If you are driving to Jackson a brochure & map of how to get here can be found on Tracy Crook's web site at http://www.rotaryaviation.com/new_page_3.htm. Flying info can be found at http://www.airnav.com/airport/MS71. 'Scheduled to Appear,' either with presentations or to be available for Q&A are several folks who are already flying or manufacture & sell accessories for rotary conversions: Ed Anderson Tracy Crook Bill Eslick Bernie Kerr Ed Klepeis We've got plenty of space in the house and a couple of our neighbors have offered hangar apartments for additional lodging. Just throw a bedroll & towel (& tent if you if you prefer) in the car/plane & we will find a place for you to sleep. Spouses are welcome; it's looking like they may have more fun than us rotorheads. Possible activities include antiquing/sightseeing in a historic town near Slobovia. If you are thinking about coming, drop me a line at ceengland@bellsouth.net or call at 601-879-9596 so we can be sure no one goes hungry. :-) Tupper's having the time of her life getting the house & meals prepped, & I've got a clean hangar for the 1st time in almost a decade. Ya'll Come! Charlie & Tupper ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:45:06 PM PST US From: Jamie Painter Subject: RV-List: Oil Canning On Aft Fuse --> RV-List message posted by: Jamie Painter Listers: I got my wife out in the garage tonight and we started banging rivets on the aft fuse. Before I drilled the fuse I checked to make sure it was straight. I also checked again after I clecoed it back together. It seems like everything is straight...but I have some major oil canning going on between the 707 and 708 bulkheads, and also between the 708 and 710. Has anyone else seen this? I've searched the archives and it seems that other people have had oil canning on the bottom skins, so I'm not too surprised it's happening. It just seems that in my case the oil canning is quite severe. I've made a video to demonstrate. You can download it here: http://rv.jpainter.org/oil_canning.mpg What would you all recommend? Should I just continue riveting then deal w/ the oil canning later by possibly adding more j-channels, or should I stop now and take corrective action? Any thoughts appreciated. - Jamie ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:48:47 PM PST US From: "Charles Rowbotham" Subject: RE: RV-List: AOA indicator? --> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" Paul, We installed Advanced Flight Systems (Formally Jim Frantz's) AOA Pro in our RV-8A, almost 4 years ago. It is mounted in a small mounting bracket on top of the glare shield in the pilot's left peripheral vision area and the audio is hard wired to the pilot's headset jack. While the AOA was a good size investment at approximately $1500, I consider it my number one priority purchase. The priority is/was based on safety. When one considers that stall speed is a factor of AOA, gross weight, angle of bank and the fact that airspeed indicators lag actual airspeed it was an easy decision. The fact that the Navy cut fleet fatalities approximately in half, following their transition to AOA gave added credence to the decision. While some will disagree, I doubt few have the instrumentation, to determine what their aircraft's exact stall speed is at any point in time and have to rely on an approximation. Which to many of us means faster approaches, etc. The other factor is emergencies. I have had one and it sure was reassuring to have the AOA. It alerted me in plenty of time, that I was getting close to stalling. I know you are always suppose to fly the airplane but until you have been there it's hard to imagine how easy it is to get distracted with finding the nearest airport/landing site, troubleshooting your problem, setting for and making your landing. IMHO the AOA system is a very wise purchase and significantly improves your safety. Good building and safe flying, Chuck Rowbotham RV-8A (300+ hours) >From: Paul Folbrecht >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV-List: AOA indicator? >Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 11:26:37 -0700 (PDT) > >--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht > >I'm wondering if an AOA indicator is something I'm really going to want or >not. > My thoughts are that $800 is a bit of a large chunk of change for this >functionality. I have not ever felt a problem flying by ASI and feel - >never >relied on a spam-can stall-horn to keep me out of trouble anyway. > >Are there people that think it would be foolish to equip an aircraft with >no >stall-warning system at all save my own senses? ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:52:24 PM PST US From: "Douglas P. Gardner" Subject: Re: RV-List: Odyssey battery hold-down in an RV-8 --> RV-List message posted by: "Douglas P. Gardner" Mark, I used a 1/4 X 8 X 1.5 bar stock w/ .063 angles (Qty 2) about 1" long that sits on top of the battery. The angles keep the battery secure from sliding, and then I used Van's long bolts drilled thru the bar stock down to the battery tray. Cheap and easy to do. Douglas P. Gardner -8A In Painting Palm Harbor, Florida 34683 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:53:42 PM PST US From: linn walters Subject: Re: RV-List: AOA indicator? --> RV-List message posted by: linn walters Barry Chapman wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Barry Chapman" > >Linn, > >Why not have one? I am new to this sort of thing and would like to hear >what rationale you may have for this decision. TIA > >Barry Chapman >Student > I guess I feel that I've got enough time in enough airplanes to know approximately where in the flight envelope a plane is. I don't need flashing lights or a horn to let me know that an airplane is getting near stall. The feel of the airplane and the wind noise will tell you a lot. I'm nothing special as a pilot and don't have any abilities that others don't have. You're a student, and learning to fly ....... most likely in a certified airplane with a stall horn. The only time the stall horn goes off when I'm flying is when I'm making a full-stall landing ...... but the noise isn't what I'm waiting for ..... it's the feel of the airplane as the airspeed bleeds off and then the flight is over. I can do the same thing with or without the horn. My Pitts doesn't have a horn nor an AOA ..... and yes, I've dropped it in a few times ..... but by the time the horn goes off ..... you're not going to change a whole lot about what you're doing. So, in a training environment ...... yes, it's nice to hold altitude with the horn blaring ..... you're learning what the airplane feels and sounds like ..... it's a 'tool' ..... but it won't save your butt (OK, IMHO) because by the time the horn goes off, you've already lost the energy you need and the momentum ..... so it's mostly too late. And I ask the question ..... why were you flying on the edge anyway? That's not smart. An AOA will, if calibrated properly allow you to fly on that thin edge between bird and rock ..... and you have to ask yourself .... am I good enough to control my angle of attack so fine that I can milk the last bit of climb out of this airplane??? So, I'd rather put my money into a good GPS that will get me safely somewhere ..... or apply it to an instrument rating ..... or something that will make my flight safer. I don't look at flying on the edge as a safe thing to do, but if you do, then maybe an AOA or stall horn will be part of your investment in your plane. BTW, the AOA will also let you fly on the edge in a descent as well as a climb ....... but, again, why would you do that??? Linn ..... hope you aren't sorry you asked :-) do not archive >----- Original Message ----- >From: "linn walters" >To: >Subject: Re: RV-List: AOA indicator? > > > > >>I, for one, won't have a stall warning horn nor an AOA indicator. Just >>my viewpoint. IMHO, and YMMV. >>Linn >>do not archive >> >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:03:10 PM PST US From: "Ron Brown" Subject: Re: RV-List: AOA indicator? --> RV-List message posted by: "Ron Brown" If you have got to spend $800, I would highly recommend the RMI uEncoder kit. It has a stall horn included - along with: Altimeter Airspeed (IAS & TAS) Vertical Speed Density Altitude Encoder output for your Transponder Outside Air Temp RS-232 output for data recording the above. And what I have found VERY useful for cross country trips is an Altitude Alerter. And for instrument approaches it also does Decision Height Alarming. http://www.rkymtn.com/EncFeatures.htm (Whoops, the kit is up to $879 and Assembled is $1179, but still an outstanding investment!!! ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:17:41 PM PST US From: Paul Folbrecht Subject: RE: RV-List: AOA indicator? --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht --- Larry Bowen wrote: > You can't take it with you, so spend it on avionics. Now there's a bumper sticker. do not archive ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:28:27 PM PST US From: "Larry Bowen" Subject: RE: RV-List: AOA indicator? --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" Ha. That was nothing! - Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com > -----Original Message----- > From: sportav8r@aol.com [mailto:sportav8r@aol.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 1:30 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: AOA indicator? > > --> RV-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com > > Larry, you shoulda' spent your avionics budget on an > auto-landing device. We have you on video ;-) > > -Stormy > > do not archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: Larry Bowen > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV-List: AOA indicator? > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" > > I reference mine all the time. No regrets getting it. You > can't take it with you, so spend it on avionics. > > - > Larry Bowen, RV-8, AOA Sport. > Larry@BowenAero.com > http://BowenAero.com > Do not archive > > > -----Original Message----- > > >--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht > > > > > > > >I'm wondering if an AOA indicator is something I'm really > > going to want > > >or > > not. > > > My thoughts are that $800 is a bit of a large chunk of > > change for this > > >functionality. I have not ever felt a problem flying by ASI > > and feel - > > never > > >relied on a spam-can stall-horn to keep me out of trouble anyway. > > > > > >Are there people that think it would be foolish to equip > an aircraft > > >with > > no > > >stall-warning system at all save my own senses? > > > Photoshare, and much much more: > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:31:41 PM PST US From: Wheeler North Subject: RV-List: endorsement --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North You are grandfathered. You do not need a "new" endorsement. This new rule is only about category and class ratings. Mike Robertson Damm, I'm grandfathered and I don't even have any kids yet. Does this mean I have to put them through college after babysitting them for 18 years? ;{) do not archive ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:33:55 PM PST US From: Mickey Coggins Subject: Re: RV-List: AOA indicator? --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins > ... > I've looked critically at your AOA, and I'm impressed with it's > abilities. I'm just not sure that it's a necessary item for me. > ... I've got one, not flying yet. I've flown with them, and I think they are pretty cool. What impresses me the most is that of all the pilots that I know that fly with one, they are happy they have it, and would recommend one. I'm sure there are some out there, but I've never met anyone that has flown with an AOA and then said it was not worth the money or time to install. -- Mickey Coggins http://www.rv8.ch/ #82007 Wiring ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:37:34 PM PST US From: "Steve Struyk" Subject: RV-List: Glare shield covering --> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Struyk" List, I'm looking for a good fabric/material to cover the top of the glare shield. It must be non-glare, easy to clean, and durable. Vinyl is way too shiny and I'd rather not use paint. Any ideas out there? Thanks in advance. Steve Struyk St. Charles, MO RV-8, Finish ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:39:39 PM PST US From: Sam Buchanan Subject: Re: RV-List: AOA indicator? --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan Barry Chapman wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Barry Chapman" > > Linn, > > Why not have one? I am new to this sort of thing and would like to hear > what rationale you may have for this decision. TIA I have no interest in resurrecting the old debate about which AOA system is "best", but for new listers who may be researching angle of attack systems, here is an article about my installation of the Lift Reserve Indicator: http://thervjournal.com/liftreserve.htm After flying the LRI for several years, I consider it a valuable part of the panel. Some pilots might mark it down because of the lack of aural warning, but I have found it to be very adequate since it is now the primary part of my instrument scan during take-off and landing. Hundreds of RVs are flown safely without AOA indicators, but I think once a pilot is accustomed to one, they will find it to be a valuable confidence booster, especially when wringing out maximum take-off and landing performance. Sam Buchanan ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:39:39 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: AOA indicator? From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" --> RV-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" May be true, but it's hard to ignore a bitching betty saying "Angle, Angle, Push". I know it would get my attention. Michael Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Folbrecht Subject: Re: RV-List: AOA indicator? --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht Here's a bit of devil-advocating on this issue. Seems to me that ppl that die in a stall/spin stalled because *they weren't paying attention*. They weren't expecting a stall and weren't paying attention to ANY of the tools they had. If they had an AOA indicator, it's quite likely they wouldn't have been paying attention to that, either. That said, I do think I'll get one, or at least I'll look for a deal on one when I'm building. do not archive --- Barry Chapman wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Barry Chapman" > > Linn, > > Why not have one? I am new to this sort of thing and would like to > hear what rationale you may have for this decision. TIA > > Barry Chapman > Student > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "linn walters" > To: > Subject: Re: RV-List: AOA indicator? > > > > I, for one, won't have a stall warning horn nor an AOA indicator. > > Just my viewpoint. IMHO, and YMMV. > > Linn > > do not archive ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:39:40 PM PST US From: RobHickman@AOL.COM Subject: Re: RV-List: AOA indicator? --> RV-List message posted by: RobHickman@aol.com IApTZWVtcyB0byAgbWUgdGhhdCBwcGwgdGhhdCBkaWUKaW4gYSBzdGFsbC9zcGluIHN0YWxs ZWQgYmVjYXVzZSAqdGhleSB3ZXJlbid0IHBheWluZyAgYXR0ZW50aW9uKi4gIFRoZXkgCndl cmVuJ3QKZXhwZWN0aW5nIGEgc3RhbGwgYW5kIHdlcmVuJ3QgcGF5aW5nICBhdHRlbnRpb24g dG8gQU5ZIG9mIHRoZSB0b29scyB0aGV5IGhhZC4gCklmIHRoZXkgaGFkIGFuIEFPQSBpbmRp Y2F0b3IsIGl0J3MgIHF1aXRlIGxpa2VseSB0aGV5IHdvdWxkbid0IGhhdmUgYmVlbiAKcGF5 aW5nCmF0dGVudGlvbiB0byB0aGF0LCAgZWl0aGVyLiAgICAKCgoKSXQgaXMgaGFyZCBub3Qg dG8gcGF5IGF0dGVudGlvbiB3aGVuIGl0IGlzIHllbGxpbmcgIkFuZ2xlLUFuZ2xlLVB1c2gi IGluICAKeW91ciBoZWFkc2V0cy4gIFlvdSBuZWVkIHRvIHByYWN0aWNlIHN0YWxsIHJlY292 ZXJ5IHNvIGl0IGJlY29tZXMgc2Vjb25kICBuYXR1cmUgCndoZW4geW91IGdldCB0aGUgd2Fy bmluZy4KIAoid2VyZW4ndCBwYXlpbmcgYXR0ZW50aW9uIHRvIEFOWSBvZiB0aGUgdG9vbHMg dGhleSBoYWQiICAKIApBbmQgd2hpY2ggdG9vbCB3aWxsIGdpdmUgeW91IHRoZSBzdGFsbCBz cGVlZCBvZiB5b3VyIGFpcmNyYWZ0PwogCiAKV2hhdCBlZmZlY3RzIGFuIGFpcmNyYWZ0cyBz dGFsbCBzcGVlZD8gCjEuICBHcm9zcyAgV2VpZ2h0IApTdGFsbCBzcGVlZCB2YXJpZXMgd2l0 aCBncm9zcyB3ZWlnaHQgYnkgdGhlIGZvbGxvd2luZyAgZm9ybXVsYToKVnMyID0gVnMxIMOW IFcyL1cxIApJZiAgdGhlIHN0YWxsIHNwZWVkIGF0IDIsMDAwICMgR1cgd2FzIDYwIEtDQVMg dGhlbiB0aGUgc3RhbGwgc3BlZWQgYXQgMywwMDAjICAKaXMgNzMgS0NBUyAKMi4gIEJhbmsg QW5nbGUgClN0YWxsIHNwZWVkIHZhcmllcyB3aXRoIGJhbmsgYW5nbGUgYnkgdGhlIGZvbGxv d2luZyAgZm9ybXVsYToKVnMxID0gVnMyIMOWIDEvY29zcSAKSWYgdGhlIHN0YWxsIHNwZWVk IGF0IHplcm8gZGVncmVlcyBiYW5rIGFuZ2xlIHdhcyAgNjAgS0NBUyB0aGUgc3RhbGxpbmcg c3BlZWQgCmF0IDYwIGRlZ3JlZXMgYmFuayBpcyA4NSBLQ0FTIAozLiBUdXJidWxlbmNlIG9y IEcgIExvYWRpbmcgClN0YWxsIHNwZWVkIHZhcmllcyB3aXRoIHR1cmJ1bGVuY2UgYnkgdGhl IGZvbGxvd2luZyAgZm9ybXVsYToKVnMxID0gVnMyIMOWIEcgCklmIHRoZSBzdGFsbCBzcGVl ZCBhdCAxIOKAnEfigJ0gd2FzIDYwIEtDQVMgdGhlICBzdGFsbGluZyBzcGVlZCBpbiBhIDIg 4oCcR+KAnSBidW1wIAppcyA4NSBLQ0FTIApMb2FkIGEgYnVuY2ggIG9mIGV4dHJhICJCYWdn YWdlIiwgb3ZlcnNob290IHRoZSB0dXJuIG9uIGJhc2UgdG8gZmluYWwgCihpbmNyZWFzZSB0 aGUgYmFuayAgYW5nbGUpLCBhbmQgaGl0IGEgMiBHIGJ1bXAgYW5kIHdoYXQgaGFwcGVucz8g IApTdGFsbCBzcGVlZCBpbmNyZWFzZXMgZHVlIHRvIHdlaWdodCwgYmFuayBhbmdsZSBhbmQg IHR1cmJ1bGVuY2UgYXJlIApjdW11bGF0aXZlLiAgCklmIHdlIHdlcmUgIHRvIGVuY291bnRl ciB0aGUgaGVhdmllciAzLDAwMCMgd2VpZ2h0LCA2MCBkZWdyZWVzIG9mICBiYW5rLCBhbmQg CnRoZSAyIOKAnEfigJ0gYnVtcCBhbGwgYXQgdGhlIHNhbWUgIHRpbWUsIHRoZSBzdGFsbGlu ZyBzcGVlZCBvZiA2MCBoYXMgbm93IAppbmNyZWFzZWQgdG8gMTQ2IGtub3RzLiAKVGhlIGNy aXRpY2FsIEFPQSBpcyBub3QgIGFmZmVjdGVkLiAKUm9iIEhpY2ttYW4gCnd3dy5BZHZhbmNl ZC1GbGlnaHQtU3lzdGVtcy5jb20gCgogCiAK4oCiCgoK