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1. 05:25 AM - Engine Start-up Help (Vincent Welch)
2. 05:47 AM - Re: Engine Start-up Help (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
3. 06:04 AM - Re: Engine Start-up Help (John Mcmahon)
4. 06:19 AM - Re: Engine Start-up Help (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
5. 07:47 AM - cheyenne? (Tony)
6. 10:52 AM - RV canopy/panel-top swivel mount for PDA or tablet PC? (Paul Folbrecht)
7. 12:04 PM - Re: RV canopy/panel-top swivel mount for PDA or tablet PC? (Jeff Point)
8. 12:13 PM - Re: RV canopy/panel-top swivel mount for PDA or tablet PC? (Knicholas2@aol.com)
9. 12:22 PM - Re: RV canopy/panel-top swivel mount for PDA or tablet PC? (james freeman)
10. 12:49 PM - Re: RV canopy/panel-top swivel mount for PDA or tablet PC? (Tony)
11. 03:46 PM - Re: RV canopy/panel-top swivel mount for PDA or tablet PC? (Paul Folbrecht)
12. 03:47 PM - Patent laws. (JOHN STARN)
13. 05:07 PM - A real time saver (Darwin N. Barrie)
14. 07:17 PM - Re: cheyenne? (Denis Walsh)
15. 08:08 PM - Radio cores (Darrell Reiley)
16. 09:19 PM - Re: The engine breather (Vanremog@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Engine Start-up Help |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Vincent Welch" <welchvincent@hotmail.com>
Hey guys, I'm looking for engine help. I have an IO-360-A1A with one mag
and one lightspeed electronic ignition. Sunday, the plugs were gapped and
the timing was set with the help of a local A&P. Last night I started the
engine for the first time. The engine ran rough, was hard to start, and
sounded terrible. I ran it for a couple of minutes and shut down. Looking
at the exhaust pipes it was obvious that #2 & #4 ran (slightly discolored
from the heat), #1 & #3 still look shiney and new. I believe that I was
only running on two cylinders. As I said, it was late last night (about 11
PM) so I didn't do much else. For the initial run up I was locked on the
oil temp and pressure, so I didn't collect many readings.
What is my next step, how do I begin to track this down? I intend to go
back this afternoon after work and collect some readings BUT I think that
the CHT and EGT numbers will just verify what was visibly obvious, that only
two cylinders ran. With the mag and electronic ignition I have two
completely independent systems. It seems that if one of them was
malfunctioning, the other should have still fired #1 & #3. I did swap the
leads to the CDI's as lightspeed suggests and it really got worse (wouldn't
start, backfired, etc.) So I put them back.
Where do I go from here?
Vince Welch
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| Subject: | Engine Start-up Help |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
We need some more data here Vince
1. New Engine?
2. What happened with a mag check? This is critical data
3. On the LSE, are you getting coil fire during the ramp test? FOllow
instruction in their manual for testing the coil circuit.
4. Hall effect or Crank sensor? Gaps are critical Have you verified
the gaps on the pick up?
5. Have you verified firing order on the mag cap? DOnt go by what the
lead says, go by what the lead does.
6. Are you carb or FI? Is it possible you have the Mixture throw the
wrong way? (This just happened to a buddy 2 weeks ago and he had the
trouble you describe)
MIke
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[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vincent Welch
Subject: RV-List: Engine Start-up Help
--> RV-List message posted by: "Vincent Welch"
<welchvincent@hotmail.com>
Hey guys, I'm looking for engine help. I have an IO-360-A1A with one
mag
and one lightspeed electronic ignition. Sunday, the plugs were gapped
and
the timing was set with the help of a local A&P. Last night I started
the
engine for the first time. The engine ran rough, was hard to start, and
sounded terrible. I ran it for a couple of minutes and shut down.
Looking
at the exhaust pipes it was obvious that #2 & #4 ran (slightly
discolored
from the heat), #1 & #3 still look shiney and new. I believe that I was
only running on two cylinders. As I said, it was late last night (about
11
PM) so I didn't do much else. For the initial run up I was locked on
the
oil temp and pressure, so I didn't collect many readings.
What is my next step, how do I begin to track this down? I intend to go
back this afternoon after work and collect some readings BUT I think
that
the CHT and EGT numbers will just verify what was visibly obvious, that
only
two cylinders ran. With the mag and electronic ignition I have two
completely independent systems. It seems that if one of them was
malfunctioning, the other should have still fired #1 & #3. I did swap
the
leads to the CDI's as lightspeed suggests and it really got worse
(wouldn't
start, backfired, etc.) So I put them back.
Where do I go from here?
Vince Welch
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Start-up Help |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Mcmahon" <rv6@earthlink.net>
Your lightspeed is reversed,swap your coax leads..
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vincent Welch" <welchvincent@hotmail.com>
Subject: RV-List: Engine Start-up Help
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Vincent Welch" <welchvincent@hotmail.com>
>
>
> Hey guys, I'm looking for engine help. I have an IO-360-A1A with one mag
> and one lightspeed electronic ignition. Sunday, the plugs were gapped and
> the timing was set with the help of a local A&P. Last night I started the
> engine for the first time. The engine ran rough, was hard to start, and
> sounded terrible. I ran it for a couple of minutes and shut down.
> Looking
> at the exhaust pipes it was obvious that #2 & #4 ran (slightly discolored
> from the heat), #1 & #3 still look shiney and new. I believe that I was
> only running on two cylinders. As I said, it was late last night (about
> 11
> PM) so I didn't do much else. For the initial run up I was locked on the
> oil temp and pressure, so I didn't collect many readings.
>
> What is my next step, how do I begin to track this down? I intend to go
> back this afternoon after work and collect some readings BUT I think that
> the CHT and EGT numbers will just verify what was visibly obvious, that
> only
> two cylinders ran. With the mag and electronic ignition I have two
> completely independent systems. It seems that if one of them was
> malfunctioning, the other should have still fired #1 & #3. I did swap the
> leads to the CDI's as lightspeed suggests and it really got worse
> (wouldn't
> start, backfired, etc.) So I put them back.
>
> Where do I go from here?
>
>
> Vince Welch
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Engine Start-up Help |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
I think he did that in the line:
" I did swap the
> leads to the CDI's as lightspeed suggests and it really got worse
> (wouldn't
> start, backfired, etc.) So I put them back."
Mike
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Mcmahon
Subject: Re: RV-List: Engine Start-up Help
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Mcmahon" <rv6@earthlink.net>
Your lightspeed is reversed,swap your coax leads..
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vincent Welch" <welchvincent@hotmail.com>
Subject: RV-List: Engine Start-up Help
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Vincent Welch"
<welchvincent@hotmail.com>
>
>
> Hey guys, I'm looking for engine help. I have an IO-360-A1A with one
mag
> and one lightspeed electronic ignition. Sunday, the plugs were gapped
and
> the timing was set with the help of a local A&P. Last night I started
the
> engine for the first time. The engine ran rough, was hard to start,
and
> sounded terrible. I ran it for a couple of minutes and shut down.
> Looking
> at the exhaust pipes it was obvious that #2 & #4 ran (slightly
discolored
> from the heat), #1 & #3 still look shiney and new. I believe that I
was
> only running on two cylinders. As I said, it was late last night
(about
> 11
> PM) so I didn't do much else. For the initial run up I was locked on
the
> oil temp and pressure, so I didn't collect many readings.
>
> What is my next step, how do I begin to track this down? I intend to
go
> back this afternoon after work and collect some readings BUT I think
that
> the CHT and EGT numbers will just verify what was visibly obvious,
that
> only
> two cylinders ran. With the mag and electronic ignition I have two
> completely independent systems. It seems that if one of them was
> malfunctioning, the other should have still fired #1 & #3. I did swap
the
> leads to the CDI's as lightspeed suggests and it really got worse
> (wouldn't
> start, backfired, etc.) So I put them back.
>
> Where do I go from here?
>
>
> Vince Welch
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Tony <afmeroth@yahoo.com>
Sorry if this has been asked before, been having
issues with my email address, if anyone is in the
cheneyye/fort collins area and building an RV or a
rocket I would like to check it out. -Tony 307 631 9097
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| Subject: | RV canopy/panel-top swivel mount for PDA or tablet PC? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht <paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com>
I'm currently looking seriously at AnywhereMap/AnywhereWx running on
either a PDA or (preferably) the nice tablet PC they can bundle. I'd be
using this setup now to replace my Garmin 295 as my MM and for in-flight
Wx. To by it, a requirement is to be able to use it easily in the RV
when it's completed as well. (I want a portable soln because it's
cheaper and has a better display and because I'll continue to rent
4-seaters occasionally.)
What would be just perfect would be some sort of mount for the tablet
(or the PDA if that's all there is) that would allow me to hang it from
the top or side of the canopy or perhaps mount it on top of the panel.
Does such a thing exist?
~Paul
~9A #1176 prep work
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| Subject: | Re: RV canopy/panel-top swivel mount for PDA or tablet PC? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
I'd check out RAM, they have quite a selection of ways to mount
electronic gizmos.
http://www.ram-mount.com/
Jeff Point
RV-6
Milwaukee WI
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV canopy/panel-top swivel mount for PDA or tablet PC? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Knicholas2@aol.com
I have been using AWM for several years and have addressed the same
questions.
First, the tablet PC that you refer to is Control Vision's "Raven". I
sounds good on paper but I placed an order for one in JANUARY and they tell me
I
won't get it until next FALL. I figure by the time I finally get it, the
technology will be outdated!! So don't hold your breath.... I really think they
misrepresent it when they advertise "now shipping".
There are a couple options for portability. In my RV9 I "hard wired" the
GPS antenna and power supply into the plane, but used a RAM mount for the iPaq
and velcro to hold it on the panel. It works great. Also, the
ControlVison web site will show a "Citadel mount" that works as you describe.
It is
similar to a RAM mount but the swivel ball is smaller. I mounted a couple RAM
mount balls in my plane - one on the top of teh dash, another on my center
consule - to hold a RAM articulated arm for GPS/radio/pop can, etc.
Kim Nicholas
RV9A
Seattle
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| Subject: | Re: RV canopy/panel-top swivel mount for PDA or tablet PC? |
--> RV-List message posted by: james freeman <flyeyes@mac.com>
On Jun 9, 2005, at 12:51 PM, Paul Folbrecht wrote:
> What would be just perfect would be some sort of mount for the tablet
> (or the PDA if that's all there is) that would allow me to hang it from
> the top or side of the canopy or perhaps mount it on top of the panel.
> Does such a thing exist?
>
Try:
http://airgator.com/NAVAir_Accessories.htm
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| Subject: | Re: RV canopy/panel-top swivel mount for PDA or tablet PC? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Tony <afmeroth@yahoo.com>
also check out cycoactive.com, they have alot of shock
isolated mounts that can be adapted to the ram
fittings should ram not offer wat you need completely,
especially useful for people who also use the
handhelds on a car or motorcycle.
--- Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point
> <jpoint@mindspring.com>
>
> I'd check out RAM, they have quite a selection of
> ways to mount
> electronic gizmos.
>
> http://www.ram-mount.com/
>
> Jeff Point
> RV-6
> Milwaukee WI
>
> >
> >
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV canopy/panel-top swivel mount for PDA or tablet PC? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht <paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com>
Looks to me like the system with the iPaq is just fine. And much easier
to mount.
I really like their Anywhere AI as well - what a killer IFR backup (a
real solid-state gyro and a battery-backed up AHRS).
And the Pocket Plates look pretty good too. Sounds like the 4" screen
is big enough to see the whole plan & profile views at once. No panning
during the approach (which would obviously be unacceptable). I've been
thinking about that for awhile now but didn't know they had the AI too.
Looks hard to beat this system for a full GPS/moving map/electronic
flight-bag and emergency attitude indicator for $2200 all-up.
And the DB updates are 1/3rd what Garmin charges.
Maybe it's time my 295 went on eBay.
do not archive
Knicholas2@aol.com wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Knicholas2@aol.com
>
>I have been using AWM for several years and have addressed the same
>questions.
>
>First, the tablet PC that you refer to is Control Vision's "Raven". I
>sounds good on paper but I placed an order for one in JANUARY and they tell me
I
>won't get it until next FALL. I figure by the time I finally get it, the
>technology will be outdated!! So don't hold your breath.... I really think
they
>misrepresent it when they advertise "now shipping".
>
>There are a couple options for portability. In my RV9 I "hard wired" the
>GPS antenna and power supply into the plane, but used a RAM mount for the iPaq
>and velcro to hold it on the panel. It works great. Also, the
>ControlVison web site will show a "Citadel mount" that works as you describe.
It is
>similar to a RAM mount but the swivel ball is smaller. I mounted a couple RAM
>mount balls in my plane - one on the top of teh dash, another on my center
>consule - to hold a RAM articulated arm for GPS/radio/pop can, etc.
>
>Kim Nicholas
>RV9A
>Seattle
>
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
Read up on the Wright Bros. vs Glenn Curtis law suits if you want some
background on what CAN happen in the Patent world. It was not too big a
stretch for the Wright Bros. to claim that ALL aircraft control systems were
part of their original patent. If there was no difference between "wing
warping" and movable aileron surfaces then why not the moon lander "jet"
controls too. IF you buy into the Wrights argument then ALL, repeat ALL
aircraft control systems fall under their patent.
As my ole pappy usta say "Follow the money". If you have deep pockets, there
is an lawyer out there that will try to empty them. If you don't believe
that Legal Blackmail is real explain to me what the ACLU has become and does
every day. KABONG (GBA & GWB) Do Not Archive This Just My Opinion.
> --> RV-List message posted by: Scott <batfinks@mchsi.com>
> I am not a lawyer, nor have I played one on TV, but I do hold a few
> patents (although they are assigned to a corporation). I have also had
> several discussions with patent weasels...er lawyers.
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| Subject: | A real time saver |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie" <ktlkrn@cox.net>
Hi Everyone,
For those of you who are in the midst of construction and have not decided or worked
on the Pitot/Static system do yourself a real favor and buy the Safeair1
kit. This kit has all of the fittings and colored coded tubing you will need.
The fittings are quick disconnect and are set up to install in any instrument
requiring pitot static connections. Not only is the initial install quick and
easy the quick disconnects make future maintenance a breeze.
Not only is it a real bargain in price but the time savings is substantial. Contact Safeair1 at www.safeair1.com These guys are great to work with.
I have no connection to the company other than being a satisfied customer.
Darwin N. Barrie
P19
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--> RV-List message posted by: Denis Walsh <denis.walsh@comcast.net>
There are several RVs at FNL, which is near the I-25. If you are
flying there are a couple dozen at FTg and many in the Denver area.
Also some at Laramie.
Denis Walsh
On Jun 9, 2005, at 8:45 AM, Tony wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Tony <afmeroth@yahoo.com>
>
> Sorry if this has been asked before, been having
> issues with my email address, if anyone is in the
> cheneyye/fort collins area and building an RV or a
> rocket I would like to check it out. -Tony 307 631 9097
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
Anyone who might have any Terra avionics of any kind, as cores, scrap, I'm looking
for project material... any shape... email me off the list.
Darrell
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| Subject: | Re: The engine breather |
--> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com
In a message dated 6/8/2005 9:33:51 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com writes:
Despite all the claims of the air/oil separators it is hard getting pure oil
out of the separator drain. Go ahead and route the oil back to the engine in
a clear tube or collect it. I think you will be surprised how nasty it is.
Also there is very little oil, most of it is water. My clear bottle showed 3
layers. Water 80%, milky oil 15% and a layer of yellow foam crud floating on
top. The amount of oil in my collection jar was may be 1oz of oil between oil
changes. My engine used about a 1 to 1.5 qt between 25 hour oil changes. My
new project will not use a separator.
==============================================
I always hate to argue with George's posts because he makes good sense most
of the time. My experience differs from his.
I have the $40 ACS oil breather/separator with the stainless pot scrubber
mod installed. Works great. My first run engine produces nothing but clean
oil out of the separator, which I collect in a Matco clear polycarbonate
(Lexan) bowl type brake fluid reservoir equipped with one of the sump drain
fittings and drop the outlet line right over the exterior of my right exhaust
pipe.
All I ever get out of the collection drain is oil....nice clean clear oil.
No water, froth, butterfat or complex amino acids indicating life...nada.
Now, I have not pH tested it, but I could. at the start of each hundred
hour period I collect the drained condensate/coalescent at each oil change to
see how much there is and endeavor to quantify any significant change in this
volume. I get somewhere around 2 to 3 fluid ounces of oil drained from the
separator every 100hr. Aircraft belly stays free of oil. Admittedly this is
very good running engine, so your results may differ. This setup works for me
and I would use it again.
GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 752hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)
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