---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 06/10/05: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:25 AM - Re: The engine breather (Charlie Kuss) 2. 06:33 AM - Re: brake pad part number ?? (Bob) 3. 06:33 AM - FL Wing VAF Fly-in Drive-in Love's Landing Airpark (Oliver Washburn) 4. 07:22 AM - tach sensor (Wheeler North) 5. 10:49 AM - Static System Connections] (JOHN STARN) 6. 12:24 PM - Air Chart Systems (Dan Krueger) 7. 12:49 PM - Re: Air Chart Systems (Alex Peterson) 8. 01:00 PM - Re: Air Chart Systems (Doug Rozendaal) 9. 01:18 PM - Re: Air Chart Systems (Joe Bienkowski) 10. 01:52 PM - Re: cheyenne? (LML Klingmuller) 11. 02:55 PM - Re: Air Chart Systems (Tim Bryan) 12. 03:16 PM - Re: Air Chart Systems (DonVS) 13. 03:23 PM - Re: Air Chart Systems (Dan Krueger) 14. 04:08 PM - ignition switch (Bill VonDane) 15. 04:42 PM - Re: Air Chart Systems (Randy Lervold) 16. 05:22 PM - Re: Air Chart Systems (RV6 Flyer) 17. 05:24 PM - Re: Air Chart Systems (Derrick Aubuchon) 18. 05:29 PM - Re: Air Chart Systems (DonVS) 19. 06:38 PM - Re: Air Chart Systems (Terry Watson) 20. 08:20 PM - Re: brake pad part number ?? (Charlie England) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:25:08 AM PST US From: Charlie Kuss Subject: Re: RV-List: The engine breather --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss >gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com writes: > >Despite all the claims of the air/oil separators it is hard getting pure oil >out of the separator drain. Go ahead and route the oil back to the engine in >a clear tube or collect it. I think you will be surprised how nasty it is. >Also there is very little oil, most of it is water. My clear bottle showed 3 >layers. Water 80%, milky oil 15% and a layer of yellow foam crud floating on >top. The amount of oil in my collection jar was may be 1oz of oil between >oil >changes. My engine used about a 1 to 1.5 qt between 25 hour oil changes. My >new project will not use a separator. > > >============================================== > >I always hate to argue with George's posts because he makes good sense most >of the time. My experience differs from his. > >I have the $40 ACS oil breather/separator with the stainless pot scrubber >mod installed. Works great. My first run engine produces nothing but clean >oil out of the separator, which I collect in a Matco clear polycarbonate >(Lexan) bowl type brake fluid reservoir equipped with one of the sump drain >fittings and drop the outlet line right over the exterior of my right >exhaust pipe. >All I ever get out of the collection drain is oil....nice clean clear oil. >No water, froth, butterfat or complex amino acids indicating life...nada. > >Now, I have not pH tested it, but I could. at the start of each hundred >hour period I collect the drained condensate/coalescent at each >oil change to >see how much there is and endeavor to quantify any significant change in >this >volume. I get somewhere around 2 to 3 fluid ounces of oil drained from the >separator every 100hr. Aircraft belly stays free of oil. Admittedly >this is >very good running engine, so your results may differ. This setup works >for me >and I would use it again. > >GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 752hrs, Silicon Valley, CA) Listers, The amount of water found in the separator will vary depending on engine condition (rings) and also the climate. I suspect that Gary would find more water if he flew down here in humid SE Florida. Charlie Kuss ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:33:26 AM PST US From: Bob Subject: Re: RV-List: brake pad part number ?? --> RV-List message posted by: Bob Charile I just did this, the old part number is 66-2, the new part number is 66-106. You also can look it up in the Aircraft Spruce Catalog, they have an exploded view of the cleveland brake and 30-9 is the part number for my brakes. In the catalog they will tell you what brake linings to use. As for time, you can order from Vans, it will take 10 days (UPS ground). I ordered from Aircraft Spruce and it took 2 days with UPS ground. Also if you don't have it, buy their brake lining rivet setting tool, I got the deluxe model and it works great! Bob RV6 NightFighter At 08:01 PM 6/8/05, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England > >Anyone recall what brakes Van was selling & what the pad #'s are for >rv4 kits sold in the late '80s? I thought I had a spare set of pads but >I can't find them & the labels on both calipers have had their data >polished off almost completely. I can read the FAA tso # (30-9) & I've >got some Cleveland #44011 pads with 2 rivet holes that line up with the >originals (3 holes in the originals) but the 44011's width (inner radius >to outer radius) is about 1/4" bigger than the originals. > >I'd like to order from a vender close enough to get them next day w/o >having to pay air freight charges. > >Thanks, > >Charlie ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:33:26 AM PST US From: "Oliver Washburn" Subject: RV-List: FL Wing VAF Fly-in Drive-in Love's Landing Airpark --> RV-List message posted by: "Oliver Washburn" NOTE: To all listers within range. This SAT.(June 11th) is the Florida VAF RV fly-in at Love's Landing Airpark (97FL) featuring Ollie's FAMOUS Bar-BQ pork. If you look at the weather map looks like the flying portion may be out, but we are still having the lunch so if your within driving distance please come on. Place: Love's Ldg Airpark (97FL). On sectional chart. 21nm 126* Ocf VOR. Check Doug Reeve's calendar and AIR NAV airport data. N 28-57-43 W 081-53-29 ollie6a@earthlink.net 352 750 5312 Time: Coffee and donuts for early birds and lunch @ noon. Food: Bar-BQ Pork, Lasagna, Hamburgers, Hotdogs and all the fixins. Contributions: We are asking $6/plate for all you can eat as long as the food lasts and this includes the drinks. Forums: There are no forums, just everybody talking about their love of flying and RVs. We have put in a request for good weather and hope to see the airpark full of RVs. NOTE--This is a private airpark so landing is at your own risk. 18/36 3700 ft. Do not archive and thanks. Ollie 6A ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:22:40 AM PST US From: Wheeler North "'owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com '"@roxy.matronics.com Subject: RV-List: tach sensor --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North Greg, signal should be a squarewave 5V if I remember correctly, eight cycles per rev. Voltage may be higher though. What's important is the digital signal. DVOM won't see this at drill speed unless it has a dwell/frequency counter. Reading it on the AC setting may show a voltage though. O Scope is best way to see it. You should be able to hook up power and ground with the DVOM on signal and turn it slowly, by finger, say one rev per ten seconds, and see the switching action though. W Time: 01:15:50 AM PST US From: Greg Grigson Subject: RV-List: Van's Tach Doctor Needed --> RV-List message posted by: Greg Grigson I've got .5 hours on the 2 1/4" tach and tach generator that Van sells. My mechanic buddy found the generator loose during first-flight inspection and tightened it with a big wrench. Soon after the tach died. I get 12+ volts from I to GND, and 8.68 volts from S to GND (whether my drill is revving the drive or not). Now I'm wondering if my drill should be set to reverse, not forward. Any ideas on how to diagnose this thing(s)? Thanks. Greg ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:49:34 AM PST US From: "JOHN STARN" Subject: RV-List: Static System Connections] --> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" The ports look like the ones we installed. The thing I question is the 5 tee's and the 5 bolt/nut combo's. It looks like the tee has a tab or "ear" that I would assume is for mounting. This is better than what we used to attach to the ribs. The 90 degree elbows was the one thing I liked about our methods and the kit has them. If I had to do again (and I will) I'd buy the kit. I'm going to save your post and add it to the RV lists. KABONG Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry" Subject: Re: RV-List: Static System Connections] > I was sorting through my RV emails and I re-read this on. I am about to > order a static port system. I am considering the system from safe air > here . They are similar to the ACS > ports, they are threaded for a hard elbow. I can purchase the two ports > for $23.95 or an entire kit including fitting and tubing for $79.95. Any > opinion on these ports. Also, the kit will make things simpler, do you > think there is value in it? > > Larry Rosen > Emp almost complet > Waiting on QB wings. > Long & detailed on an old subject. Worth the read if your working on the > static system. > We used the ACS part# 15160 static port (page# 337) and Nylo-seal > fittings ACS part# 269-N 04X02 male elbow (page 110) and the 264-N 04 > union tee for the totally enclosed part of the static system on HRII > N561FS. These ports have a raised center that fits thru a 1/4" hole in the > side. It sticks thru far enough to still be raised off the surface after > painting. Why did we spend the extra $38.00 bucks for these parts ?. > First, the machined port looks like a machined part rather than the > head of a "pop" rivet. > Second, (and the most important) was it allows the use of the 90 degree > elbow fitting that's takes ALL the stress off the port (pop > rivet end) and the required bend in the tubing. We could have used > the "regular" hose & tube fitting (page 111) but since we only open this > area for annual "conditional inspections" we felt better about > the mechanical joint/ no stress connections. > Third, the tubing is not stretched over a barb which can cause the tube > to split at some later date. > Fourth, we were building Rocket and wanted it to look like a Rocket. > Did we use "pop" rivets on the Rocket ?. Of course BUT not where > is shows. 8*) > If you have read any of my other posts you know that I believe in KISS > (Keep It Simple Stupid) method BUT in my not so humble opinion, the use of > the above fittings both here & in the rest of the Rocket make service > and/or replacement Simple only because you can easily take the system > apart and then put it back together. I wouldn't do that with the barb ends > IF you can get them apart in the first place. > This is only my opinion. Your circumstances/mileage may vary. No > offence Jerry, we used lots of your suggestions while building N561FS. You > taught this Old Dog some new tricks. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:24:56 PM PST US From: Dan Krueger Subject: RV-List: Air Chart Systems --> RV-List message posted by: Dan Krueger I looked at their charts at Sun n Fun, but it was to busy for me to really get a feel for using their VFR Sectional Atlas. My wife is tired of folding sectionals. Their product seams ideal for our planes. Any comments on the ease of using the VFR Atlas would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Dan Krueger RV6A Flying ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:49:06 PM PST US From: "Alex Peterson" Subject: RE: RV-List: Air Chart Systems --> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" > I looked at their charts at Sun n Fun, but it was to busy for me to > really get a feel for using their VFR Sectional Atlas. My wife is tired > of folding sectionals. Their product seams ideal for our planes. Any > comments on the ease of using the VFR Atlas would be greatly > appreciated. > > Thanks > Dan Krueger > RV6A Flying I bought them last summer, and would not consider using a folding chart again. There are two books for the US sectionals, and the pages overlap generously, which is nice. Good product. Alex Peterson RV6A N66AP 624 hours Maple Grove, MN ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:00:16 PM PST US From: "Doug Rozendaal" Subject: Re: RV-List: Air Chart Systems --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" This product is imperative in small cockpit airplanes. If you look in the cockpit of nearly any professional airshow pilot you will see these books. I have used both the IFR and the VFR system for years. I was having some trouble with their WAC chart system.... I can't put my finger on it, but the print was getting smaller every year.... Anyone else noticed that??? They must have read my mind because a couple years they came out with a Sectional based product. I am good to go again!! Two atlases for the entire country, problem is, I live on the boundary between the two. The WAC book has the whole country in one atlas, but I recommend the sectional books for anyone who is visually challenged at all. Getting old is a bitch. Not getting older...... Well I guess getting old is GREAT! Tailwinds, Doug Rozendaal Bifocals getting stronger every year... Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Krueger" Subject: RV-List: Air Chart Systems > --> RV-List message posted by: Dan Krueger > > I looked at their charts at Sun n Fun, but it was to busy for me to > really get a feel for using their VFR Sectional Atlas. My wife is tired > of folding sectionals. Their product seams ideal for our planes. Any > comments on the ease of using the VFR Atlas would be greatly > appreciated. > > Thanks > Dan Krueger > RV6A Flying > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:18:18 PM PST US From: Joe Bienkowski Subject: Re: RV-List: Air Chart Systems --> RV-List message posted by: Joe Bienkowski I'd used the charts from Air Chart for a number of years. The one I liked the most was the book of WAC charts. Not every change is a single page turn. Sometimes it was 4 pages back or some number of pages forward. In general I liked the system. Joe Bienkowski, Bowling Green, OH Dan Krueger wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Dan Krueger > >I looked at their charts at Sun n Fun, but it was to busy for me to >really get a feel for using their VFR Sectional Atlas. My wife is tired >of folding sectionals. Their product seams ideal for our planes. Any >comments on the ease of using the VFR Atlas would be greatly >appreciated. > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:52:50 PM PST US From: "LML Klingmuller" Subject: re: RV-List: cheyenne? --> RV-List message posted by: "LML Klingmuller" Tony, too bad I did not got your message this last weekend as I drove right through Cheyenne ( On/from Guernsey). The next couple of weekends I will be out of town. If you are available during the week, I possibly could just fly up and show you my RV. Better, come to Front Range Airport, Near /Watkins on I-70, the weekend of June 25 - 26 when we have the regional EAA Rocky Mountain fly in. By car it will take less than two hours. There will be lots of experimentals and you will get so nanny opinion that you will go back to WY all confused! Lothar, greater Denver area. RV-6A, tip up, 500 hrs ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:55:49 PM PST US From: "Tim Bryan" Subject: Re: RV-List: Air Chart Systems --> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" Anybody have a web link for this product? Tim DNA -------Original Message------- From: Joe Bienkowski Subject: Re: RV-List: Air Chart Systems --> RV-List message posted by: Joe Bienkowski I'd used the charts from Air Chart for a number of years. The one I liked the most was the book of WAC charts. Not every change is a single page turn. Sometimes it was 4 pages back or some number of pages forward. In general I liked the system. Joe Bienkowski, Bowling Green, OH Dan Krueger wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Dan Krueger > >I looked at their charts at Sun n Fun, but it was to busy for me to >really get a feel for using their VFR Sectional Atlas. My wife is tired >of folding sectionals. Their product seams ideal for our planes. Any >comments on the ease of using the VFR Atlas would be greatly >appreciated. > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:16:24 PM PST US From: "DonVS" Subject: RE: RV-List: Air Chart Systems --> RV-List message posted by: "DonVS" This should work. www.airchart.com/ -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim Bryan Subject: Re: RV-List: Air Chart Systems --> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" Anybody have a web link for this product? Tim DNA -------Original Message------- From: Joe Bienkowski Subject: Re: RV-List: Air Chart Systems --> RV-List message posted by: Joe Bienkowski I'd used the charts from Air Chart for a number of years. The one I liked the most was the book of WAC charts. Not every change is a single page turn. Sometimes it was 4 pages back or some number of pages forward. In general I liked the system. Joe Bienkowski, Bowling Green, OH Dan Krueger wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Dan Krueger > >I looked at their charts at Sun n Fun, but it was to busy for me to >really get a feel for using their VFR Sectional Atlas. My wife is tired >of folding sectionals. Their product seams ideal for our planes. Any >comments on the ease of using the VFR Atlas would be greatly >appreciated. > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:23:51 PM PST US From: Dan Krueger Subject: Re: RV-List: Air Chart Systems --> RV-List message posted by: Dan Krueger Thanks for all the great endorsements - looks like more money out of my beer fund. Dan Krueger > > > Anybody have a web link for this product? > Tim > DNA > > www.airchart,com ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:08:55 PM PST US From: "Bill VonDane" Subject: RV-List: ignition switch --> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" does anyone have a diagram of the internal working of a keyed ignition switch? Thanks! -Bill ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:42:12 PM PST US From: "Randy Lervold" Subject: Re: RV-List: Air Chart Systems --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" I don't see a WAC product anymore, only VFR Sectional Atlas. Did they discontinue the WAC version? http://www.airchart.com/index.html Randy Lervold > The one I liked the most was the book of WAC charts. Not every > change is a single page turn. Sometimes it was 4 pages back or > some number of pages forward. In general I liked the system. > > Joe Bienkowski, Bowling Green, OH > > Dan Krueger wrote: > > >--> RV-List message posted by: Dan Krueger > > > >I looked at their charts at Sun n Fun, but it was to busy for me to > >really get a feel for using their VFR Sectional Atlas. My wife is tired > >of folding sectionals. Their product seams ideal for our planes. Any > >comments on the ease of using the VFR Atlas would be greatly > >appreciated. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:22:01 PM PST US From: "RV6 Flyer" Subject: RE: RV-List: Air Chart Systems --> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer" Dan: I used their WAC chart book (called Topographic Atlas on their web site) one-year. It has its good and bad points. When there is some weather, you are on the ground at an FBO, want to plan your flight around the weather, I was unable to keep what page I needed to turn to straight in my head. I also could not find a good place to store and hold open it in my airplane. I went back to WAC chart subscription service. I find the WAC charts easier to do flight planning at an FBO by opening them up on the floor looking at the entire leg of the flight. It is easy to open, read, fold, and store the WAC charts. Turn on the autopilot, and do what you need with the chart. Just my opinion. Give it a try for a year and develop your own opinion. Gary A. Sobek "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell, 1,684 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA http://SoCAL_WVAF.rvproject.com ----Original Message Follows---- From: Dan Krueger Subject: RV-List: Air Chart Systems --> RV-List message posted by: Dan Krueger I looked at their charts at Sun n Fun, but it was to busy for me to really get a feel for using their VFR Sectional Atlas. My wife is tired of folding sectionals. Their product seams ideal for our planes. Any comments on the ease of using the VFR Atlas would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Dan Krueger RV6A Flying ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:24:49 PM PST US From: Derrick Aubuchon Subject: Re: RV-List: Air Chart Systems --> RV-List message posted by: Derrick Aubuchon It is still available,, they call it the "Topographical Atlas." Derrick L. Aubuchon RV-4: N184DA Jackson/Westover -Amador County (O70) n184da@volcano.net On Jun 10, 2005, at 4:40 PM, Randy Lervold wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" > > I don't see a WAC product anymore, only VFR Sectional Atlas. Did they > discontinue the WAC version? > http://www.airchart.com/index.html > > Randy Lervold > > >> The one I liked the most was the book of WAC charts. Not every >> change is a single page turn. Sometimes it was 4 pages back or >> some number of pages forward. In general I liked the system. >> >> Joe Bienkowski, Bowling Green, OH >> >> Dan Krueger wrote: >> >> >>> --> RV-List message posted by: Dan Krueger >>> >>> I looked at their charts at Sun n Fun, but it was to busy for me to >>> really get a feel for using their VFR Sectional Atlas. My wife is >>> tired >>> of folding sectionals. Their product seams ideal for our planes. >>> Any >>> comments on the ease of using the VFR Atlas would be greatly >>> appreciated. >>> > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:29:38 PM PST US From: "DonVS" Subject: RE: RV-List: Air Chart Systems --> RV-List message posted by: "DonVS" It is there. They call it an aviation topographic atlas. Hope this helps. Don -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Randy Lervold Subject: Re: RV-List: Air Chart Systems --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" I don't see a WAC product anymore, only VFR Sectional Atlas. Did they discontinue the WAC version? http://www.airchart.com/index.html Randy Lervold > The one I liked the most was the book of WAC charts. Not every > change is a single page turn. Sometimes it was 4 pages back or > some number of pages forward. In general I liked the system. > > Joe Bienkowski, Bowling Green, OH > > Dan Krueger wrote: > > >--> RV-List message posted by: Dan Krueger > > > >I looked at their charts at Sun n Fun, but it was to busy for me to > >really get a feel for using their VFR Sectional Atlas. My wife is tired > >of folding sectionals. Their product seams ideal for our planes. Any > >comments on the ease of using the VFR Atlas would be greatly > >appreciated. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:38:26 PM PST US From: "Terry Watson" Subject: RE: RV-List: Air Chart Systems --> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" Apparently their Topographic Atlas is the WAC charts. This is from their description: Terry The Topographic Atlas contains full color, full-scale reproductions of NOS World Aeronautical Charts (WACs) for the entire contiguous United States. In addition, all 30 Class B airspace and 130-plus Class C airspace are reproduced from FAA/NACO Sectional charts and organized alphabetically by city in a separate section of the Atlas. --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" I don't see a WAC product anymore, only VFR Sectional Atlas. Did they discontinue the WAC version? http://www.airchart.com/index.html Randy Lervold > The one I liked the most was the book of WAC charts. Not every > change is a single page turn. Sometimes it was 4 pages back or > some number of pages forward. In general I liked the system. > > Joe Bienkowski, Bowling Green, OH > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:20:57 PM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: RV-List: brake pad part number ?? --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England Thanks to all who replied; I ordered the pads yesterday & they arrived this afternoon. I'll attempt to pass along the favor by mentioning a vendor with excellent service. If you are near the center of the country, give Linda Lou in Memphis TN a try for most things that might be found on certified a/c. She has reasonable prices & same day shipping so if you are within the UPS Ground 1 day shipping radius from Memphis, you can get very quick service. 800.824.9912. Charlie (no relation except...etc etc..) Bob wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Bob > >Charile > >I just did this, the old part number is 66-2, the new part number is >66-106. You also can look it up in the Aircraft Spruce Catalog, they have >an exploded view of the cleveland brake and 30-9 is the part number for my >brakes. In the catalog they will tell you what brake linings to use. > >As for time, you can order from Vans, it will take 10 days (UPS ground). I >ordered from Aircraft Spruce and it took 2 days with UPS ground. Also if >you don't have it, buy their brake lining rivet setting tool, I got the >deluxe model and it works great! > >Bob >RV6 NightFighter > >At 08:01 PM 6/8/05, you wrote: > > >>--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England >> >>Anyone recall what brakes Van was selling & what the pad #'s are for >>rv4 kits sold in the late '80s? I thought I had a spare set of pads but >>I can't find them & the labels on both calipers have had their data >>polished off almost completely. I can read the FAA tso # (30-9) & I've >>got some Cleveland #44011 pads with 2 rivet holes that line up with the >>originals (3 holes in the originals) but the 44011's width (inner radius >>to outer radius) is about 1/4" bigger than the originals. >> >>I'd like to order from a vender close enough to get them next day w/o >>having to pay air freight charges. >> >>Thanks, >> >>Charlie >>