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1. 02:59 AM - Installation Manual - Garmin 250XL (CarlRai@aol.com)
2. 04:25 AM - Re: Installation Manual - Garmin 250XL (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
3. 04:31 AM - Re: Memory Card GX-50 (Stucklen, Frederic W UTPWR)
4. 04:36 AM - West systems epoxy (Ron Brown)
5. 04:41 AM - Re: Installation Manual - Garmin 250XL (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
6. 05:28 AM - Re: West systems epoxy (linn walters)
7. 07:38 AM - Re: Filler durability (Patty Gillies)
8. 09:31 AM - state taxes (Grenwis@AOL.COM)
9. 10:22 AM - Re: state taxes (Paul Folbrecht)
10. 11:17 AM - earthlink spam blocker test (Jeff Dowling)
11. 12:44 PM - U-813D Allen Screw rubbing tire warning (Matthew Brandes)
12. 01:31 PM - Oil level / temp (james frierson)
13. 02:18 PM - Re: state taxes (John Fasching)
14. 06:24 PM - Re: Prime platenuts? (Mark Burns)
15. 07:26 PM - Fw: Wheel fairings installation (Dale Ensing)
16. 07:51 PM - Re: Oil level / temp (Jeff Point)
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| Subject: | Installation Manual - Garmin 250XL |
--> RV-List message posted by: CarlRai@aol.com
Planning my electrical/avionics installation and can't seem to find a
downloadable manual for the 250XL. Went to the Garmin site but can't locate anything
but user manuals. Great, but I'd sure like more than instructions on how to
operate.......
Any help much appreciated.
Thanks
Carl Raichle
RV-9A Wiring and waiting for engine
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| Subject: | Installation Manual - Garmin 250XL |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
OK This one took some doing. You want the installation manual.
There is a post from me on this list which gives instruction on exactly
how to find any Garmin manual you would like to own. It is message #
124785. Now using that technique described in that message usually works
very well. But in this case, since the GNC250XL is the same rough model
as 150 series, the manual is stored as
http://www.garmin.com/manuals/156_InstallationManual.pdf . Funny thing
is that I only figured this out through a google search of "gnc250xl
installation Manual pdf"
That google brought me to the Taiwanese site with the correct file
download. So..... There you have it. A little slewthing around and
Goggle grabbed it for me.
BTW, I have ended up on this site before so I suspect garmin has not set
the exclude list for this location for the crawlers. SSHHHH!!!!!!
Enjoy
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of CarlRai@aol.com
Subject: RV-List: Installation Manual - Garmin 250XL
--> RV-List message posted by: CarlRai@aol.com
Planning my electrical/avionics installation and can't seem to find a
downloadable manual for the 250XL. Went to the Garmin site but can't
locate anything
but user manuals. Great, but I'd sure like more than instructions on
how to
operate.......
Any help much appreciated.
Thanks
Carl Raichle
RV-9A Wiring and waiting for engine
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| Subject: | Re: Memory Card GX-50 |
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Stucklen, Frederic W UTPWR" <Fred.Stucklen@UTCFuelCells.com>
Jeff,
Unfortunately, the memory cards that UPS AT used are not the
"intelligent" type. They are just dumb memory - no internal controller like
the USB or Smart Card have in them. They are expensive because they are not
produced in volume like the "Smart" memory cards. They require a special
programmer to program them (about $300, but you still need access to the
proper updated database, or another up-to-date memory card...). The last
time I priced one it was over $200.00, so your $150 price is a deal.....
If the data bases were so easily copied, it would be done all the
time.....
Fred Stucklen
RV-6A N926RV
400 Hrs
2'D offender!
Time: 10:09:26 AM PST US
From: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" < sisson@consolidated.net
<mailto:sisson@consolidated.net> >
Subject: Re: Memory Card GX-50
--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic
Club" < sisson@consolidated.net <mailto:sisson@consolidated.net> >
Jeff Dowling wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <
shempdowling2@earthlink.net <mailto:shempdowling2@earthlink.net> >
>
>Cant you put the card in a PCMCIA slot? I heard you can find free
downloads
>that way.
>
>Shemp/Jeff Dowling
>RV-6A, N915JD
>200 hours
>Chicago/Louisville
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "jacklockamy" < jacklockamy@verizon.net
<mailto:jacklockamy@verizon.net> >
>To: "RV List" < rv-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv-list@matronics.com>
>
>Subject: RV-List: Memory Card GX-50
>
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "jacklockamy" <
jacklockamy@verizon.net <mailto:jacklockamy@verizon.net> >
>>
>>Anyone know of a USB memory card reader/writer that will work with
the
>>flash card in a Garmin (aka. Apollo) GX-60? Jeppesen has one but
they
>>want a 'whopping $150 plus shipping" for what should be a $10
item....
>>I'm having trouble swallowing that kind of expense.
>>
>>Any suggestions would be appreciated. I've seen 12-in-1 USB flash
card
>>reader/writers advertized for about $10 bucks on E-Bay, but don't
know if
>>they are compatible with the Jeppesen databases/GX-50 flash cards.
>>
>>Thanks in advance,
>>Jack Lockamy
>>Camarillo, CA
>>RV-7A flying (N174JL)
>>www.jacklockamy.com
>>
>>
>>
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tell us more
Phil in Illinois
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| Subject: | West systems epoxy |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ron Brown" <romott@adelphia.net>
Tad,
You can bake the part and raise the Tg. West epoxy is pretty much the same
as other common epoxies in this regard.
Support the part while baking it to 200 degrees. I just laid up spark plug
access hatches using West on my Velocity's IO360. They work fine - no
sagging.
And on composite aircraft, for structural systems (like foam wings), the
aircraft is indeed painted white. But on non structural parts, darker
colors are fine. The foam is subject to soften at around 160 degrees - the
epoxy will stand higher temps.
Ronnie
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| Subject: | Installation Manual - Garmin 250XL |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
Oh Carl,
I may have screwed up. I just noticed you wanted to know how to OPERATE,
not install. My Bad.
In that case the post I referenced earlier for message # 124785 in the
rv-list gives you the exact filename of what you are looking for.
http://www.garmin.com/manuals/GNC250XL_PilotsGuide.pdf
Or perhaps you would like the
http://www.garmin.com/manuals/GNC250XL_ApprovedFlightManualSupplement.pd
f
Or
http://www.garmin.com/manuals/GNC250GPS_COMM_PilotsGuide.pdf
or
http://www.garmin.com/manuals/156_InstallationManual.pdf
BTW the tw site is here
http://www.garmin.com.tw/products/gnc250xl/manual.html
Check the archives and you will be very surprised what you will find.
Now you have everything you ever wanted to know about the unit in these
files and I am getting very good at this Garmin Manual Stuff:)
Best
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of CarlRai@aol.com
Subject: RV-List: Installation Manual - Garmin 250XL
--> RV-List message posted by: CarlRai@aol.com
Planning my electrical/avionics installation and can't seem to find a
downloadable manual for the 250XL. Went to the Garmin site but can't
locate anything
but user manuals. Great, but I'd sure like more than instructions on
how to
operate.......
Any help much appreciated.
Thanks
Carl Raichle
RV-9A Wiring and waiting for engine
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| Subject: | Re: West systems epoxy |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
AFAIK, all the resins will soften with heat ....... some more than
others, and no, I don't have any data. I'm surrounded by 'plastic'
airplane builders using different resins and all have heated parts to
remove twist or to tweak structures. This without any lasting bad
aftereffects. They typically used 300W or 500W floodlights for their
heat source. I actually wonder if the resins may link better after a
high-temp excursion. I dunno. I can say that the airplanes are flying
without any consequences though.
Linn
do not archive
sarg314 wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: sarg314 <sarg314@comcast.net>
>
>A friend who is building a Varieze told me that he has seen West Systems
>epoxy go soft sitting in the arizona sun. Admittedly this was in model
>planes where the lay-ups are very thin. I've used West Systems for some
>fairings so far. I had the impression a lot of builders use it.
>
>Has any one who has used it on a plane that's been flying for a while
>noticed any problems with it softening in hot weather?
>--
>Tom Sargent, RV-6A, Cowling.
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Filler durability |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Patty Gillies" <PGILLIES@gwm.sc.edu>
Dave,
I spray all my rivet lines with Sherwin Williams sanding primer. Then
sanded and did it again and again. It made a big difference in how the
paint flowed into the rivet areas, no gaps.
Patty
RV-6 Flying SC
>>> dreel@cox.net 6/3/2005 12:23:22 PM >>>
--> RV-List message posted by: "DAVID REEL" <dreel@cox.net>
I'd like to hear from anyone with experience of the durability of
filler on aluminum. The Imron paint my painter wants to use won't cover
the small gap between rivet head and dimpled skin reliably so we intend
to fill the rivets before painting. The plane will be yellow and stored
outside so I'm anticipating a pretty severe shrink/expand movement in
the aluminum. The documents I've seen don't address the coefficient of
expansion of the filler relative to aluminum or the strength of the bond
so I'm hoping your experiences, good and bad, can shed some light to
help us pick a good filler that won't crack around the rivets.
We're considering All-Metal, Superfil, Aeropoxy light, Everglass,
Feather Fill, Sterling Primer/filler, and Dynalite.
Dave Reel - RV8A
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--> RV-List message posted by: Grenwis@aol.com
I registered my RV-6A in April and yesterday I got a letter from the Colorado
Department of Revenue. They noticed that I had registered an aircraft with
the FAA and they wanted to share in the fun. I called and talked about the
situation with the fellow in the "Fair Share Section" (seriously!) and thought
I
would pass along what I learned.
A plane built from a kit that was purchased after 1992 is tax exempt in
Colorado. If I send him paperwork showing that I purchased the kit after that
date
and state that I built it, there is no tax. Tax will apply for any future
sale of the completed aircraft. Of course, none of this is confirmed as I am
still on their radar, but I am hopeful.
Ain't it great to live in Colorado!!
Rick Grenwis
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--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht <paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com>
Oh how I would love a similar law in WI! I doubt I'm going to be so
lucky in this, the 2nd most highly-taxed state in the union.
Grenwis@aol.com wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Grenwis@aol.com
>
>I registered my RV-6A in April and yesterday I got a letter from the Colorado
>Department of Revenue. They noticed that I had registered an aircraft with
>the FAA and they wanted to share in the fun. I called and talked about the
>situation with the fellow in the "Fair Share Section" (seriously!) and thought
I
>would pass along what I learned.
>
>A plane built from a kit that was purchased after 1992 is tax exempt in
>Colorado. If I send him paperwork showing that I purchased the kit after that
date
>and state that I built it, there is no tax. Tax will apply for any future
>sale of the completed aircraft. Of course, none of this is confirmed as I am
>still on their radar, but I am hopeful.
>
>Ain't it great to live in Colorado!!
>
>Rick Grenwis
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | earthlink spam blocker test |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
do not archive
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| Subject: | U-813D Allen Screw rubbing tire warning |
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Matthew Brandes" <matthew@n523rv.com>
I was attaching the U-813D forward nose wheel pant brackets last night on
the WD-630 nose wheel weldment and noticed that the allen screw came within
.032" of actually rubbing on the tire! I emailed Van's and they said to
stick a couple more washers on it or grind down the screw.
Just something to watch for... a blown tire could lead to bad things
happening.
Matthew Brandes,
Van's RV-9A (Engine/Electrical/Fiberglass)
#90569
<http://www.n523rv.com/> http://www.n523rv.com
EAA Chapter 1329 President
EAA Chapter 868 Web Editor
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| Subject: | Oil level / temp |
--> RV-List message posted by: "james frierson" <tn3639@hotmail.com>
I have a O-320 in a 6A and the dip stick has 8qt on the end. I usually fill
it with 9qts, including filter, at each oil change. This brings it right to
the 8qt line. I have noticed that when the oil level gets below 6-1/2qt the
oil temp starts to rise. I normally see 190 deg in cruise with =>7qts but it
will climb to around 230 as the level falls.
Just some food for thought for those working on oil temp problems.
Scott
N162RV
Flying 120hrs
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--> RV-List message posted by: "John Fasching" <N1CXO320@peoplepc.com>
You don't have to sweat it out...the law IS that there is no tax on aircraft
parts in Colorado...a remnant from the state's attempt to lure United
Airline's overhaul base here some years ago....yet every so often the
revenue dept does try to collect on a kit-built plane when it is
registered...they back off easily enough, and its probably due to someone in
the dept. that doesn't know the exemption.
John at Salida, CO
----- Original Message -----
From: <Grenwis@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: state taxes
> --> RV-List message posted by: Grenwis@aol.com
>
> I registered my RV-6A in April and yesterday I got a letter from the
> Colorado
> Department of Revenue. They noticed that I had registered an aircraft
> with
> the FAA and they wanted to share in the fun. I called and talked about
> the
> situation with the fellow in the "Fair Share Section" (seriously!) and
> thought I
> would pass along what I learned.
>
> A plane built from a kit that was purchased after 1992 is tax exempt in
> Colorado. If I send him paperwork showing that I purchased the kit after
> that date
> and state that I built it, there is no tax. Tax will apply for any future
> sale of the completed aircraft. Of course, none of this is confirmed as I
> am
> still on their radar, but I am hopeful.
>
> Ain't it great to live in Colorado!!
>
> Rick Grenwis
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Prime platenuts? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mark Burns" <burnsm@cox.net>
The K1000 nutplates are coated with a dry moly lube from the manufacturer.
I'm not sure how it's applied, but appears to be baked on.
It's pretty good stuff. Its real purpose (I think) is to protect them from
rusting during storage and shipment.
I did brush a little primer on the nutplates in my empennage, but I'm not
sure it was needed.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MLWynn@aol.com
Subject: RV-List: Prime platenuts?
--> RV-List message posted by: MLWynn@aol.com
Hi all,
I am about to assemble my rudder. The large nutplates that carry the rod
ends look to be made of a malleable steel. Should they primed? If so, how
do
you prep the surface?
Regards,
Michael Wynn
RV-8, Empennage
San Ramon, California
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| Subject: | Fw: Wheel fairings installation |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: <dwensing@aol.com>
Subject: Fwd: Wheel fairings installation
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DWENSING
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 09:49:21 -0400
> Subject: Wheel fairings installation
>
> RV-6A/7A builders...........
> Preparing to install the wheel fairings on my flying RV-6A. Now
> learned that the procedure requires leveling the airplane on jacks. I
> should have done it back when the fuse was leveled for drilling the
> wings rear spars. Current builders take note!!
>
> Have been thinking about a way to not have to put the airplane back on
> jacks. Especially to get it exactly level with the wheels just touching
> the floor.
> Would like comments on an idea:
> Have considered using a "Smart Level" to duplicate the angle of the
> fuselage deck to get the correct front/ back angle on the wheel fairing
> while the airplane is setting on the gear. The in/out angle would be
> determined by aligning the wheel fairing with the tread on the tire. Is
> there a fatal flaw in this approach? Has anybody done something like
> this? Or, have another idea to avoid the need to level it on jacks?
> Dale Ensing
> RV6A N118DE
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oil level / temp |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
How do you know that 8 qts on the dipstick is 8 qts? It is a good idea
to calibrate your dipstick. Start with an empty engine, put 6 qts in,
let it settle and stick the dipstick in. Use a tube cutter to score a
line where the actual 6 qt line is. On my engine it was off by a full
quart on the low side. This is not surprising, due to differences in
the angle of the sump on different airplanes.
9 qts into an O-320 seems like an awful lot of oil.
Jeff Point
RV-6
Milwaukee WI
>
>
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