Today's Message Index:
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1. 05:23 AM - Re: Oil level / temp (Charlie Kuss)
2. 07:47 AM - Re: Oil level / temp ()
3. 07:55 AM - Re: Oil level / temp (Jeff Point)
4. 08:06 AM - West epoxy (Frazier, Vincent A)
5. 11:03 AM - oops (Jeff Dowling)
6. 11:03 AM - Hi-Lift hangar door (Jeff Dowling)
7. 12:10 PM - Re: Hi-Lift hangar door (knicholas2@AOL.COM)
8. 12:53 PM - RV7/7A and 9/9A fuselage video now available (Becki)
9. 05:26 PM - Re: Fw: Wheel fairings installation (LarryRobertHelming)
10. 06:33 PM - Humor? You make the call. :-) (Tom Gummo)
11. 06:59 PM - Re: Humor? You make the call. :-) (Paul Folbrecht)
12. 07:45 PM - Fw: Rocket-List: Humor? You make the call. :-) (JOHN STARN)
13. 08:02 PM - Priming (Richard Leach)
14. 08:49 PM - Re: Priming (Jim Jewell)
15. 09:46 PM - Re: Humor? You make the call. :-) (Mark Grieve)
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| Subject: | Re: Oil level / temp |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
Jeff,
A new or newly overhauled engine will require one extra quart of oil
during it's initial fill. This is because the internal surfaces of the
engine are completely dry. When you drain the oil and filter during oil
changes, this quart of oil does not drain out. It clings to all the
internal surfaces of the engine.
It is best to calibrate your dip stick during your first oil change, NOT
during the initial filling of the engine. Don't take my word for it. Ask
any professional automotive or aircraft engine re-builder.
The 8 quart oil level is an artificial level. It is required to meet an
FAA requirement. (Time that the engine would maintain oil pressure with a
calibrated oil leak) Lycoming 4 cylinder engines consume more oil when they
are filled up to the 8 quart level. This is because they are actually "over
filled" at that point. Fill to 6 quarts and your oil consumption will drop
down noticeably.
Charlie Kuss
>--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
>
>How do you know that 8 qts on the dipstick is 8 qts? It is a good idea
>to calibrate your dipstick. Start with an empty engine, put 6 qts in,
>let it settle and stick the dipstick in. Use a tube cutter to score a
>line where the actual 6 qt line is. On my engine it was off by a full
>quart on the low side. This is not surprising, due to differences in
>the angle of the sump on different airplanes.
>
>9 qts into an O-320 seems like an awful lot of oil.
>
>Jeff Point
>RV-6
>Milwaukee WI
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| Subject: | Re: Oil level / temp |
--> RV-List message posted by: <gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com>
Scott:
Sorry I don't have a definitive answer, but I can add a few data points from my
experience and research on the subject.
First 8 qts is MAX capacity and 4 qts is min. 6 qts is the best level to reduce
oil use. You should have no dramatic oil temp rise with oil quantity. BTW 2 qts
are unusable.
My O-320 used maybe a little over 1qt. between 25 hour oil changes, about 1qt in
16 hr. I always kept it right at 6qts +/- 0.25qt. Never had a problem with oil
temp. The same worked for my O-360. O-320's tend to run cooler than a O-360
.
It is commonly known oil quantities above 6 to 6.5 qts cause the excess to blow
off quickly until it returning to 6qts.
Less commonly known is Lycoming tankers extra oil around as a reserve oil capacity.
This extra sump oil is either regulatory for engine certification or a throw
back to the round engine days and oil tanks. Bottom line is you don't need
8 qts for an engine that is certified for 4 qts min. 6 qts is plenty. On a long
cross country put as much as 6.5 qts, but never more. The result was I had
very low oil use +16 hours per qt.
The 9 qts added to read 8qts could be in part for the oil to fill the new filter.
Are filling with 9 qts after draining and reading 8 qts before restarting.
That also sounds odd.
I calibrated my sump by draining it completely and refilling with 6 qts. Allowing
the oil to settle I checked and marked the dip stick for 6qts (with a small
pipe cutter to score a line). The factory 8qt mark was accurate.
You should do no harm to you engine running at 6-6.5 qts. The drastic temp rise
with oil levels below 8 qts sounds odd and can't explain. Are in the break-in
period? Check the accuracy of the oil gage?
You might expect a small increase in oil temp with quantity, but frankly going
from 190F to 230F is excessive.
The ideal oil temp is 190F and not more than 210F max typically. 230F oil temp
is too much. The absolute max oil inlet temp is 245F. Oil is 20F hotter in the
engine than the inlet temp. So if you are reading 230F your oil is at 250F in
the engine.
Check your oil dip stick and oil temp gage calabration. If you have 230F oil temp
in level flight oil level or not that is too much.
Take Care George
--> RV-List message posted by: "james frierson" <tn3639@hotmail.com>
I have a O-320 in a 6A and the dip stick has 8qt on the end. I usually fill
it with 9qts, including filter, at each oil change. This brings it right
to
the 8qt line. I have noticed that when the oil level gets below 6-1/2qt the
oil temp starts to rise. I normally see 190 deg in cruise with =>7qts but
it
will climb to around 230 as the level falls.
Just some food for thought for those working on oil temp problems.
Scott
N162RV
Flying 120hrs
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| Subject: | Re: Oil level / temp |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
Good point about residual oil in the engine. I did the dipstick
calibration on my second or third oil change (I forget exactly) and it
was still a full quart low on the dipstick. FWIW I keep the level
between 6 and 7 qts (as measured on the calibrated dipstick) and
consumption is 1 qt per 12 hours, give ot take.
One point about calibrating the dipstick- when you add the six quarts,
don't run the engine or turn the prop or anything else before you do the
calibration. Just let the oil settle for a while. You are measuring
the oil level in the sump, not the total amount of oil in the engine.
After you calibrate the dipstick, and run the engine, you will need to
add some more oil to get the sump level up to 6 qts, because of the oil
now trapped in the filter, hoses, stuck to the guts, etc.
Jeff Point
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier@usi.edu>
Regarding West epoxy, I built my plenum cover using West epoxy. It does
soften a little when hot, but it seems to have no real effect on how it
works here. And I'll vouch, it does get HOT above that engine after
shutdown. I can see no degradation so far.
I certainly wouldn't get to concerned about the exterior fairings made
with it. I doubt that sunlight would ever get exterior parts anywhere
near as hot as the plenum gets.
Vince
F-1H Rocket, 50 hours
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
Make that the hi-fold door.
Jeff
do not archive
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| Subject: | Hi-Lift hangar door |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
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Has anyone out there had any troubles with the hi-lift door? Im getting ready
to order my door and like the hi-lift for its bigger opening size but Im not sold
on its quality yet.
Thanks
Shemp/Jeff Dowling
RV-6A, N915JD
200 hours
Chicago/Louisville
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| Subject: | Re: Hi-Lift hangar door |
--> RV-List message posted by: knicholas2@aol.com
The hangar I rented during final construction for my RV9 had what I believe was
a hi-lift door. One day it got stuck in the open positon when the transmission
jammed and ultimately broke. The door crashed closed, injuring my friend who
was trying to fix it. We were all lucky that nobody was seriously injured.
Even if it was not a hi-lift company door, it was a reminder that these doors should
have a proven safety brake and you should NOT park your car, plane or picnic
table under the open door. My new hangar has sliding doors that need no
electricity and will not fall on me!
Kim Nicholas
RV9A
Seattle
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Dowling <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
Subject: RV-List: Hi-Lift hangar door
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
do not archive
Has anyone out there had any troubles with the hi-lift door? Im getting ready
to order my door and like the hi-lift for its bigger opening size but Im not
sold on its quality yet.
Thanks
Shemp/Jeff Dowling
RV-6A, N915JD
200 hours
Chicago/Louisville
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| Subject: | RV7/7A and 9/9A fuselage video now available |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Becki" <becki@fly-gbi.com>
We are happy to announce the 7/9 fuselage video is now available. Check it out at our webpage www.fly-gbi.com under the videos link!
Becki Orndorff
GeoBeck, Inc.
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Wheel fairings installation |
--> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
I did this leveling process using an engine hoist, strapping it to the
engine mount and lifting the front wheels off the ground. I have a
taildragger. However, should not be too difficult if you have a nose
wheeler if you have something you can lift the front up with. An overhead
garage joist should work as well. The engine mount worked well for me.
Indiana Larry, RV7 Tip Up It Flies
"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers
that it can bribe the public with the public's own money."
Alexis de Toqueville
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: RV-List: Fw: Wheel fairings installation
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <dwensing@aol.com>
> To: <densing@carolina.rr.com>
> Subject: Fwd: Wheel fairings installation
>
>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DWENSING
>> To: rv-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 09:49:21 -0400
>> Subject: Wheel fairings installation
>>
>> RV-6A/7A builders...........
>> Preparing to install the wheel fairings on my flying RV-6A. Now
>> learned that the procedure requires leveling the airplane on jacks. I
>> should have done it back when the fuse was leveled for drilling the
>> wings rear spars. Current builders take note!!
>>
>> Have been thinking about a way to not have to put the airplane back on
>> jacks. Especially to get it exactly level with the wheels just touching
>> the floor.
>> Would like comments on an idea:
>> Have considered using a "Smart Level" to duplicate the angle of the
>> fuselage deck to get the correct front/ back angle on the wheel fairing
>> while the airplane is setting on the gear. The in/out angle would be
>> determined by aligning the wheel fairing with the tread on the tire. Is
>> there a fatal flaw in this approach? Has anybody done something like
>> this? Or, have another idea to avoid the need to level it on jacks?
>> Dale Ensing
>> RV6A N118DE
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Humor? You make the call. :-) |
"Rocket List" <rocket-list@matronics.com>,
"RV List" <rv-list@matronics.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
With so many illegal aliens here in California, (they can't serve on jury duty,
but they take up space and time, don't get me started) I get a jury summons at
least once a year. If I get selected, I am normally excused by the defense
lawyer for one reason or the other. However yesterday, no such luck.
During the questioning period, the D.A. asked each of us to state our names, jobs,
and if we knew any police officers.
I stated my name, Tom Gummo, that I was a retired Air Force Pilot and was currently
teaching Chemistry at the local college. I then said that I knew several
police officers as they helped me build my plane (KABONG is one). I throw in
the military officer as it seems that defense lawyers don't like that in the
jury pool.
1. The judge stopped the D.A. and asked if I knew anything about my last
name. I told him that it was the name of the fifth Marx brother (if you are
young - look them up on the Internet).
2. He then asked what I flew. I told them about the F-4G and the Wild
Weasels.
3. The judge then asked why I built my own plane. Of course, the great
characteristics of the RV series were explained.
4. The D.A. then stated that most pilots had a call-sign and wanted to
know mine. "GummiBear" was my reply - with a body style (less than thin) and
a last name of Gummo - the call-sign was a natural and remained with me for the
whole twenty years.
5. He then wanted to know about any combat I flew. Gulf War I (1990-1991)
So in the middle of a criminal trial, the transcript will show that juror #4, has
the last name of a Marx brother, built and flies a Harmon Rocket, was called
"GummiBear", and flew in the Gulf War.
WTFO
Tom "GummiBear" Gummo
Wild Weasel #1573
http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
Apple Valley, CA
Harmon Rocket-II
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Humor? You make the call. :-) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht <paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com>
Well, sue you for having an interesting life. :->
do not archive
--- Tom Gummo <T.gummo@verizon.net> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
>
>
> With so many illegal aliens here in California, (they can't serve on jury
> duty, but they take up space and time, don't get me started) I get a jury
> summons at least once a year. If I get selected, I am normally excused by
> the defense lawyer for one reason or the other. However yesterday, no such
> luck.
>
>
> During the questioning period, the D.A. asked each of us to state our names,
> jobs, and if we knew any police officers.
>
>
> I stated my name, Tom Gummo, that I was a retired Air Force Pilot and was
> currently teaching Chemistry at the local college. I then said that I knew
> several police officers as they helped me build my plane (KABONG is one). I
> throw in the military officer as it seems that defense lawyers don't like
> that in the jury pool.
>
>
> 1. The judge stopped the D.A. and asked if I knew anything about my
> last name. I told him that it was the name of the fifth Marx brother (if you
> are young - look them up on the Internet).
>
> 2. He then asked what I flew. I told them about the F-4G and the
> Wild Weasels.
>
> 3. The judge then asked why I built my own plane. Of course, the
> great characteristics of the RV series were explained.
>
> 4. The D.A. then stated that most pilots had a call-sign and wanted
> to know mine. "GummiBear" was my reply - with a body style (less than thin)
> and a last name of Gummo - the call-sign was a natural and remained with me
> for the whole twenty years.
>
> 5. He then wanted to know about any combat I flew. Gulf War I
> (1990-1991)
>
>
> So in the middle of a criminal trial, the transcript will show that juror #4,
> has the last name of a Marx brother, built and flies a Harmon Rocket, was
> called "GummiBear", and flew in the Gulf War.
>
>
> WTFO
>
>
> Tom "GummiBear" Gummo
> Wild Weasel #1573
>
> http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
>
>
> Apple Valley, CA
> Harmon Rocket-II
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Fw: Rocket-List: Humor? You make the call. :-) |
"rv-list" <rv-list@matronics.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
Boy, ya live next door to a guy, help build his airplane, fly all over the
place with him & 9 years later I find out that the fifth Marx brothers name
was "Tom".
Is this a small world or what ?. 8*) KABONG Do Not Archive,
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
> To: "SoCal RV List" <socal-rvlist@yahoogroups.com>; "Rocket List"
> <rocket-list@matronics.com>; "RV List" <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 6:32 PM
> Subject: Rocket-List: Humor? You make the call. :-)
>
>
>> During the questioning period, the D.A. asked each of us to state our
>> names, jobs, and if we knew any police officers.
>>
>>
>> I stated my name, Tom Gummo, that I was a retired Air Force Pilot and was
>> currently teaching Chemistry at the local college. I then said that I
>> knew several police officers as they helped me build my plane (KABONG is
>> one). I throw in the military officer as it seems that defense lawyers
>> don't like that in the jury pool.
>>
>>
>> 1. The judge stopped the D.A. and asked if I knew anything about
>> my last name. I told him that it was the name of the fifth Marx brother
>> (if you are young - look them up on the Internet).
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard Leach" <papadaddyo@verizon.net>
I know I asked earlier about mixing primer and now that I am really
ready to do some priming I have a question for the veterans. I have
alumiprep 33 as well as MEK. My plan was to use the alumiprep and then
akzo 2 part epoxy for the primer. I know that many use alodine. I know
this is good and it looks cool but is it necessary to use both or will
the akzo be enough. I live in Florida and well, you know the weather.
Rick
40397
N512RM - reserved
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Hi Rick,
I was told by my paint supplier and I also read it in my Vans manual, circa
1996.
In that humid climate I would definitely use the alodine. The claim is that
alodine treatment adds some degree of protection against Filform (sp)
corrosion.
"Filform" corrosion invades at edges or scratches and creeps under whatever
protective coating, primer, paint or sealant is in place. Once it gets a
good hold skin ,rib or part replacement is usually the only recourse.
Ok everybody let the primer wars begin.{[;-)
Jim in Kelowna
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Leach" <papadaddyo@verizon.net>
<owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
Subject: RV-List: Priming
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Richard Leach" <papadaddyo@verizon.net>
>
> I know I asked earlier about mixing primer and now that I am really
> ready to do some priming I have a question for the veterans. I have
> alumiprep 33 as well as MEK. My plan was to use the alumiprep and then
> akzo 2 part epoxy for the primer. I know that many use alodine. I know
> this is good and it looks cool but is it necessary to use both or will
> the akzo be enough. I live in Florida and well, you know the weather.
>
> Rick
> 40397
> N512RM - reserved
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Humor? You make the call. :-) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mark Grieve <mark@macomb.com>
Tom,
A good friend of mine was an F-14 pilot with the call sign of Gummy. His
last name in real life is Guibault, pronounced Geebo. I really enjoy the
stories of where these names come from. He talks of Tuba, Tonto and many
others. There was "Insufferable butt head" but I'm sure that was
shortened. Jim is one of the best story tellers I have ever met. Does
that come specifically from flying really fast, cool planes or can any
pilot acquire this skill?
Do not archive
Mark
Tom Gummo wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
>
>
>With so many illegal aliens here in California, (they can't serve on jury duty,
but they take up space and time, don't get me started) I get a jury summons
at least once a year. If I get selected, I am normally excused by the defense
lawyer for one reason or the other. However yesterday, no such luck.
>
>
>During the questioning period, the D.A. asked each of us to state our names, jobs,
and if we knew any police officers.
>
>
>I stated my name, Tom Gummo, that I was a retired Air Force Pilot and was currently
teaching Chemistry at the local college. I then said that I knew several
police officers as they helped me build my plane (KABONG is one). I throw in
the military officer as it seems that defense lawyers don't like that in the
jury pool.
>
>
>1. The judge stopped the D.A. and asked if I knew anything about my last
name. I told him that it was the name of the fifth Marx brother (if you are
young - look them up on the Internet).
>
>2. He then asked what I flew. I told them about the F-4G and the Wild
Weasels.
>
>3. The judge then asked why I built my own plane. Of course, the great
characteristics of the RV series were explained.
>
>4. The D.A. then stated that most pilots had a call-sign and wanted to
know mine. "GummiBear" was my reply - with a body style (less than thin) and
a last name of Gummo - the call-sign was a natural and remained with me for the
whole twenty years.
>
>5. He then wanted to know about any combat I flew. Gulf War I (1990-1991)
>
>
>So in the middle of a criminal trial, the transcript will show that juror #4,
has the last name of a Marx brother, built and flies a Harmon Rocket, was called
"GummiBear", and flew in the Gulf War.
>
>
>WTFO
>
>
>Tom "GummiBear" Gummo
>Wild Weasel #1573
>
>http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
>
>
>Apple Valley, CA
>Harmon Rocket-II
>
>do not archive
>
>
>
>
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