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1. 04:59 AM - Re: Fw: Wheel fairings installation (Ron Lee)
2. 05:22 AM - Re: 6A Wheel fairings installation (Dale Ensing)
3. 05:28 AM - Re: Fw: Wheel fairings installation (Tim Bryan)
4. 05:39 AM - Re: 6A Wheel fairings installation (Dale Ensing)
5. 05:45 AM - Re: Fw: Wheel fairings installation (Dale Ensing)
6. 06:09 AM - Re: Fw: Wheel fairings installation (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
7. 06:36 AM - Re: Black Liquid glue/sealer (Jerry Grimmonpre)
8. 06:36 AM - Re: 6A Wheel fairings installation (Tom & Cathy Ervin)
9. 07:44 AM - Re: Fw: Wheel fairings installation (Mike Robertson)
10. 07:48 AM - Re: Wheel fairings installation (DAVID REEL)
11. 07:50 AM - Re: Wheel fairings installation (elsa-henry)
12. 08:49 AM - Re: Fw: Wheel fairings installation (Dale Ensing)
13. 09:25 AM - Re: Fw: Wheel fairings installation (Dan Checkoway)
14. 09:34 AM - Re: Fw: Wheel fairings installation (Joseph Larson)
15. 09:42 AM - RV site (Stephanie Marshall)
16. 12:54 PM - Icom comparison (Leland)
17. 02:46 PM - Dan Checkoway's First Article in Kitplanes Magazine (Cory Emberson)
18. 03:44 PM - Re: Dan Checkoway's First Article in Kitplanes Magazine (Konrad L. Werner)
19. 03:57 PM - Re: Dan Checkoway's First Article in Kitplanes Magazine (David Burton)
20. 06:20 PM - Re: Dan Checkoway's First Article in Kitplanes Magazine (Richard McCraw)
21. 07:50 PM - Re: Fw: Wheel fairings installation (Tom & Cathy Ervin)
22. 09:49 PM - Re: Black Liquid glue/sealer (steven dinieri)
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Wheel fairings installation |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
>To optimize low drag, you really gotta rig your wheel pants in trail with
>the gear completely unloaded...simulating the in-flight condition.
Then it sounds like you have to have ALL wheels off the ground and know
the exact angle of some point...say the longerons...when in level flight.
That means that if you know the longeron angle in level flight, you can
make the adjustment with it on the ground. Simple addition/subtraction
and making a cardboard template to adjust the angle (with use of a level).
Am I missing something here? I am just a physics dude so sometimes
things go over my head.
Ron
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| Subject: | Re: 6A Wheel fairings installation |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
To Dan
Thanks..I do understand the need to get the main gear completely unloaded
simulating in-flight........just thought I could do that without actually
leveling the airplane by using digital level.
To Tom
How does your three way strap to the engine mount and engine get the load
off from the main gear? Did you support the rear fuse some how?
Dale Ensing
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Wheel fairings installation |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" <flyrv6@bryantechnology.com>
Ron, You are missing something. With the wheels on the ground the gear
legs are loaded. They are not in the same position as they would be if they
were hanging free. I think that is the biggest point with getting them just
off the ground. The angles you **might ** could figure out the math.
Tim, I hated this task myself, but got it done like the others said
RV-6
-------Original Message-------
From: Ron Lee
Subject: Re: RV-List: Fw: Wheel fairings installation
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
>To optimize low drag, you really gotta rig your wheel pants in trail with
>the gear completely unloaded...simulating the in-flight condition.
Then it sounds like you have to have ALL wheels off the ground and know
the exact angle of some point...say the longerons...when in level flight.
That means that if you know the longeron angle in level flight, you can
make the adjustment with it on the ground. Simple addition/subtraction
and making a cardboard template to adjust the angle (with use of a level)
Am I missing something here? I am just a physics dude so sometimes
things go over my head.
Ron
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| Subject: | Re: 6A Wheel fairings installation |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
Bill,
I do have jack points for the 6A but no aircraft type jacks. What type of
jacks did you use?
Dale
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Wheel fairings installation |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
Ron,
Van's makes the assumption, it appears, that the top longeron is level in
flight. (Not always the case of course) That is the reason the instructions
call for leveling the plane and leveling the wheel fairings. I would like to
get the gear unloaded but not have to jack the plane all the way up to level
the top longeron. Then using the digital level match the wheel fairing to
the longeron angle. That was the original thought but I wanted other
opinions to see if maybe I was missing something.
Dale
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Wheel fairings installation |
--> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
In a message dated 6/16/05 11:56:43 PM Central Daylight Time,
densing@carolina.rr.com writes:
> Anybody else out there with a successful method for the trike geared?
>>>>
Hi Dale-
I really couldn't figure out what all the hype was about this procedure, but
then I'm no aerodynamacistical ingineer. As far as I can tell, what I did was
"successful" enuff. Proceed at your own risk as follows:
Plane on reasonably flat, level floor
Measure distance from wingtips to floor to make sure plane is parallel with
floor L/R
Draw accurate centerline from center of firewall past tail with chalkline &
plumblines
Draw two more lines, parallel to CL, from center of tires
Set block on top of tire to space pant, set pant on top of this
Place another support near rear of pant to hold it up
Set horizontal alignment visually to approximate pant CL to main longeron-
draw a centerline down the pant if helpful
Plumb Trailing Edge of pant to line with TE as vertical as possible
Adjust vertical alignment as necessary as viewed from front of tire
Clamp pant securely to bracket, check alignment 3 more times, then drill
holes & cleco
Repeat for other pant being careful to match horizontal alignment- get down
on floor and sight visually from both sides of plane across tops of pants to
get the 2nd to match the 1st- check 3 times and from varying distances away from
plane and when happy, drill holes. With pants clecoed to brackets, install
front of pants, roll airplane around viewing from various angles, have others
look at it & critique etc. If you're happy with it, proceed with install. I
seriously doubt 5 degrees up/down/left/right is going to make much difference
as long as they are approximately the SAME.
Maybe I just got lucky and it worked out, but plane flies no differently with
the pants on or off. What's REALLY amazing is how little speed is gained
from the pants- the leg fairings added 10-12 mph and the main pants almost nada.
Getting the leg fairings the same is likely much more critical...
My GW/50, FWIW...
Mark Phillips -6A N51PW 190 hrs, most if it with pants on (the PLANE'S!)
8-)
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| Subject: | Re: Black Liquid glue/sealer |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
Mickey ...
How about finding out what will mix with the Sikaflex to create a slurry.
Something that will flash-off but will allow the slurry to become a pourable
mixture. This will be self leveling so you won't have to touch it to move
it where it needs to go. A small eye drop device will give you more control
over how much goes on and where it goes. Start by leveling the side rail.
As I recall there is a special ingredient that goes on the cured Sikaflex,
if one is to add more Sikaflex. I would let one side cure first ... then
the other. Start somewhere on the rail that doesn't show a bad result. You
may want to make a trial run on a "small mock-up". Let us know how this
experiment is pulled off so we can repeat a good result. Good luck.
Regards ...
Jerry Grimmonpre
-7A ... still building the shop
Subject: Re: RV-List: Black Liquid glue/sealer
> --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
Here's a photo:
>
> http://rv8.ch/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=photos&id=DSC03025
>
> I'm trying to fill in the gap between the canopy and the side
> rail. I've already glued it nicely with Sikaflex, but I didn't
> make the fillet very smooth. Now I'm looking for a way to
> fix this, otherwise
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| Subject: | Re: 6A Wheel fairings installation |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" <tcervin@valkyrie.net>
Dale, The 3-Strape system lifts the entire aircraft off the ground just
like it is flying. My 6-A has an O-360A1A with constant speed prop so the CG
is as forward as it gets. By adjusting the lift point and locking the slide
ring on the harness you can simulate level flight.
Keep in mind I was using a false spar at this point so no added wing
weight. I plan on installing the painted wings using the same method in
July. Flying soon!!
Tom in Ohio
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: 6A Wheel fairings installation
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
>
> To Dan
> Thanks..I do understand the need to get the main gear completely unloaded
> simulating in-flight........just thought I could do that without actually
> leveling the airplane by using digital level.
> To Tom
> How does your three way strap to the engine mount and engine get the load
> off from the main gear? Did you support the rear fuse some how?
> Dale Ensing
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Wheel fairings installation |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Robertson" <mrobert569@hotmail.com>
I friend bought an ATV jack/lift then built a box/cradle that fit on top of
the ATV lift and contoured to the bottom of the RV-6A. Works great!
Mike Robertson
>From: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Fw: Wheel fairings installation
>Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 20:57:23 -0400
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
>
>Thanks Larry for the info on leveling the plane. However, on the 6a the
>mains must be raised (a lot) to get the top longeron level. I had
>considered
>using the engine hoist with a sling around the rear fuse but that puts a
>lot
>of the weight on the front gear. Not sure I like that.
>Anybody else out there with a successful method for the trike geared?
>Dale Ensing
>do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel fairings installation |
--> RV-List message posted by: "DAVID REEL" <dreel@cox.net>
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
Thanks Larry for the info on leveling the plane. However, on the 6a the
mains must be raised (a lot) to get the top longeron level. I had considered
using the engine hoist with a sling around the rear fuse but that puts a
lot
of the weight on the front gear. Not sure I like that.
Anybody else out there with a successful method for the trike geared?
Dale Ensing
Sorry I don't have a picture but I jacked up my RV8A by supporting most of the
weight on the wing spar box. First I made a pad from a layer of 1" foam that
will crush to even out any irregularities and prevent concentrating the load in
any one place. Taped this to 3/4" plywood and cut the length to span the entire
fuselage with cutouts for the gear legs. Should be wide enough to span the
entire spar box forward to aft. Then a 4x4 a little shorter in length so I
could put jack stands that I built from 2x12s under the lateral extremeties of
the pad, then the jack. I shimmed under the jack stands to get the fuselage
level laterally and so I could put the stands, one near each gear leg, under
the spar box before it was jacked up. This let me raise a little, shim a little
so nothing ever got too precarious. Then level the fuselage longitudinally
by pulling down the tail by the tiedown ring. No damage. I figure I lifted
900 lb supported on an area of 30"x4.5" or about 6.7 lb/sq inch on the aluminum.
This whole thing made me wish I had stuck to Van's assembly order & finished the
wheel pants before hanging the engine. The lift weight would have been maybe
400 lb less.
Dave Reel - RV8A
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel fairings installation |
--> RV-List message posted by: "elsa-henry" <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
The most useful tool/jig I built after the fuselage of my 6A was out of its construction
jig, (Yes, we had to build it in a jig in those days of slow-build),
was a very strong saw horse stand that I would prop under the floor right below
the firewall. I also built an adjustable height stand/support to go right
below the aft end of the fuselage. These stands were high enough to allow installation
of the main gear legs and level the main longerons as required by raising
or lowering the tail stand . Never needed jacks. Alignment of the main wheel
fairings using Van's string and plumb-bob method worked out fine.
Once the main gear and wheels were installed the nose gear could be installed
easily by pushing down on the tail to get the necessary clearance followed by
removing the front saw horse stand which became very useful when I used it again
to remove the original U603 leg to replace it with the beefed up design U603-2
per Van's SB-98-10-1.
I will send copies of these stands photos to "photo share" shortly
Cheers! Henry Hore---C-GELS
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Wheel fairings installation |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
Tom in Ohio,
Sorry, I must be really dense today but I am failing to see how it is
possible to pick up the whole airplane by the engine mount and the engine
lift ring as you described. The CG of the airplane is well behind the
firewall. Remember, this is a completed flying airplane.
What am I missing?
Dale
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Wheel fairings installation |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
> Sorry, I must be really dense today but I am failing to see how it is
> possible to pick up the whole airplane by the engine mount and the engine
> lift ring as you described. The CG of the airplane is well behind the
> firewall. Remember, this is a completed flying airplane.
> What am I missing?
Sawhorse under the tail, shim it until the longerons are level.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Wheel fairings installation |
--> RV-List message posted by: Joseph Larson <jpl@showpage.org>
I would presume you'd also prop up the tail. Would all this stress
the mount? I suppose it's designed for that....
-J
On Jun 17, 2005, at 10:45 AM, Dale Ensing wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
>
> Tom in Ohio,
> Sorry, I must be really dense today but I am failing to see how it is
> possible to pick up the whole airplane by the engine mount and the
> engine
> lift ring as you described. The CG of the airplane is well behind the
> firewall. Remember, this is a completed flying airplane.
> What am I missing?
> Dale
> do not archive
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Stephanie Marshall" <smarshall@enid.org>
Hey everyone,
Baron's check-ride is finally over so we got some building done FINALLY.
We have the hole H-Stab almost all the way done!
Cheers,
Stephanie
www.rv-8a.4t.com
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--> RV-List message posted by: Leland <federigo@pacbell.net>
I am about to buy an ICOM handheld NAV/COM. Can anybody on this list
tell me if the A24 is worth $100 more than the A23? I'll use this radio
as a backup for my single panel-mounted transceiver.
Leland
Awaiting the FAA inspection on an RV9A
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| Subject: | Dan Checkoway's First Article in Kitplanes Magazine |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Cory Emberson" <bootless@earthlink.net>
Hi Dan and all...
Just got my new (August) copy of Kitplanes magazine, and lo and behold,
there's the first in a series by Dan Checkoway ("Made in Metal" - Build Your
Skills series)! Way to go, Dan!
best, Cory
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| Subject: | Re: Dan Checkoway's First Article in Kitplanes Magazine |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad L. Werner" <klwerner@comcast.net>
Can anyone explain why they do send out the August issue in the middle of June
???
Haven't received the issue yet, but can't wait to read something from the future
! ! !
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Cory Emberson
To: rv-list@matronics.com ; rv7-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 3:45 PM
Subject: RV-List: Dan Checkoway's First Article in Kitplanes Magazine
--> RV-List message posted by: "Cory Emberson" <bootless@earthlink.net>
Hi Dan and all...
Just got my new (August) copy of Kitplanes magazine, and lo and behold,
there's the first in a series by Dan Checkoway ("Made in Metal" - Build Your
Skills series)! Way to go, Dan!
best, Cory
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| Subject: | Re: Dan Checkoway's First Article in Kitplanes Magazine |
--> RV-List message posted by: "David Burton" <dburton@nwlink.com>
I renewed my long lapsed subscription for only that reason...
Thanks Dan.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cory Emberson" <bootless@earthlink.net>
Subject: RV-List: Dan Checkoway's First Article in Kitplanes Magazine
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Cory Emberson" <bootless@earthlink.net>
>
> Hi Dan and all...
>
> Just got my new (August) copy of Kitplanes magazine, and lo and behold,
> there's the first in a series by Dan Checkoway ("Made in Metal" - Build
Your
> Skills series)! Way to go, Dan!
>
> best, Cory
>
>
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| Subject: | Dan Checkoway's First Article in Kitplanes Magazine |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard McCraw" <rmccraw@s4t.net>
I have seen it explained this way: The date on the magazine is something
called the "pull date" (if memory serves). It's the date the magazine is to
be pulled from the shelves. So, if my understanding is correct, the August
Kitplanes goes away on August 1st.
Now, don't ask me why it's done that way. I have no idea.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Konrad L. Werner
Subject: Re: RV-List: Dan Checkoway's First Article in Kitplanes Magazine
--> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad L. Werner" <klwerner@comcast.net>
Can anyone explain why they do send out the August issue in the middle of
June ???
Haven't received the issue yet, but can't wait to read something from the
future ! ! !
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Cory Emberson
To: rv-list@matronics.com ; rv7-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 3:45 PM
Subject: RV-List: Dan Checkoway's First Article in Kitplanes Magazine
--> RV-List message posted by: "Cory Emberson" <bootless@earthlink.net>
Hi Dan and all...
Just got my new (August) copy of Kitplanes magazine, and lo and behold,
there's the first in a series by Dan Checkoway ("Made in Metal" - Build
Your
Skills series)! Way to go, Dan!
best, Cory
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Wheel fairings installation |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" <tcervin@valkyrie.net>
Dale, Trust me without the wings the panel and any real weight is forward of
the spar. Elevators, rudder and interior were out also.
Tom in Ohio
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Fw: Wheel fairings installation
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
>
> Tom in Ohio,
> Sorry, I must be really dense today but I am failing to see how it is
> possible to pick up the whole airplane by the engine mount and the engine
> lift ring as you described. The CG of the airplane is well behind the
> firewall. Remember, this is a completed flying airplane.
> What am I missing?
> Dale
> do not archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Black Liquid glue/sealer |
--> RV-List message posted by: "steven dinieri" <capsteve@adelphia.net>
We use a product in our fab shop all the time. Its a pretty thin two
part urethane repair kit used to repair the flexible urethane bumpers on
our modern vehicles. The brand probably isn't important but I'd visit
your local autobody paint supply store. The stuff makes an awesome
flexible adhesive that sets in 15 minutes. If you have trouble getting
more info locally drop me a note..
Steve dinieri
N221rv N231rv
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mickey Coggins
Subject: RV-List: Black Liquid glue/sealer
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
Hi,
I'm looking for something that may not exist, but
thought I'd check here. I need a sealer or glue
that will flow pretty well when wet, but will
dry kind of like hard rubber. My fallback is
to mix up some epoxy and try to put some pigment
in it, but I'd prefer it if the result had just
a bit of flexibility. Does anyone know if such a
product exists, and where I can buy it?
Thanks,
Mickey
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 Canopy
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