Today's Message Index:
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1. 05:10 AM - Re: Black Liquid glue/sealer (owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com)
2. 06:48 AM - Re: Sloshing fuel tanks w/alodine after completion (Jamie Painter)
3. 07:52 AM - Van's Fuel Valve (George Neal E Capt AU/XPRR)
4. 08:51 AM - Re: Governor bracket (Mike Robertson)
5. 10:20 AM - *EFIS / INSTRUMENTS FOR SALE* (Bill VonDane)
6. 10:46 AM - Sedona (Wheeler North)
7. 10:49 AM - lycoming lift ring (Wheeler North)
8. 12:34 PM - Re: Sloshing fuel tanks w/alodine after completion (Ron Lee)
9. 12:35 PM - Re: Firewall control cable hole locations (John B. Szantho)
10. 12:43 PM - Re: Sedona (Paul Besing)
11. 01:50 PM - Re: Re: Firewall control cable hole locations (Pat Hatch)
12. 01:56 PM - Tail for RV6/6A (FLYNBYK@cs.com)
13. 02:32 PM - Re: Sedona (John Huft)
14. 02:39 PM - Re: Tail for RV6/6A (Dan DeNeal)
15. 03:08 PM - Re: Sedona (Larry Pardue)
16. 03:12 PM - Re: *EFIS / INSTRUMENTS FOR SALE* (Bill VonDane)
17. 03:22 PM - Re: Sedona (Doug Rozendaal)
18. 03:53 PM - Re: Sedona (Larry Pardue)
19. 05:22 PM - Re: Sedona (Paul Besing)
20. 05:22 PM - RV-4 air vent (Doug Weiler)
21. 05:25 PM - Re: Tail for RV6/6A (Darrell Reiley)
22. 05:58 PM - Spinner Help ()
23. 06:23 PM - Re: Sedona (John Huft)
24. 06:28 PM - Re: RV-4 air vent (Randy Lervold)
25. 06:53 PM - Re: Sedona (Paul Besing)
26. 07:52 PM - Re: RV-4 air vent (Doug Weiler)
27. 07:58 PM - Re: Tail for RV6/6A (Mark Grieve)
28. 08:41 PM - Re: Spinner Help (Brian Alley)
29. 08:51 PM - bakerocb@cox.net (Brian Alley)
30. 09:27 PM - Re: RV-4 air vent (H.Ivan Haecker)
31. 09:27 PM - Spinner bulkhead indexing (Larry Bowen)
32. 10:07 PM - Re: Sedona (Tom Gummo)
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| Subject: | Black Liquid glue/sealer |
--> RV-List message posted by:
Mickey,
Scotchweld 286 is somewhat fluid and can probably be extended with an epoxy
solvent - would need to do some tests though. When it sets it is hard but
flexible - not at all brittle.
Michle
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mickey Coggins
> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 5:54 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Black Liquid glue/sealer
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm looking for something that may not exist, but
> thought I'd check here. I need a sealer or glue
> that will flow pretty well when wet, but will
> dry kind of like hard rubber. My fallback is
> to mix up some epoxy and try to put some pigment
> in it, but I'd prefer it if the result had just
> a bit of flexibility. Does anyone know if such a
> product exists, and where I can buy it?
>
> Thanks,
> Mickey
> --
> Mickey Coggins
> http://www.rv8.ch/
> #82007 Canopy
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sloshing fuel tanks w/alodine after completion |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jamie Painter" <jdpainter@jpainter.org>
Hmm...if you generally keep the tanks as full as possible...do you really need
to worry about corrosion prevention in the tanks?
If fuel is in there...O2 isn't getting to anything (except a little around the
highest-points on the outboard end of the tank) so nothing's oxidizing, right?
- Jamie
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> --> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@al.noaa.gov>
>
> I would think it wiser to Alodine the parts before assembly.
>
> 1) ProSeal would likely stick better.
> 2) No residue in seams, nooks, and crannies.
> 3) No possible damage to the ProSeal.
> 4) You can properly prep the surfaces for the Alodine application.
>
> Bill Dube'
--
Jamie D. Painter
RV-7A fuselage N622JP (reserved)
http://rv.jpainter.org
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| Subject: | Van's Fuel Valve |
--> RV-List message posted by: George Neal E Capt AU/XPRR <Neal.George@MAXWELL.AF.MIL>
Listers -
I received my fuselage kit last month and have some excess parts that I'd
like to move.
A current-production Van's brass fuel selector valve with the plastic
(Teflon?) insert.
I'll throw in a set of shiny new tail wheel steering chains and springs with
attach links.
$30, shipped CONUS.
Off-list at neal@appaero.com or 334-546-2033
Neal
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| Subject: | Governor bracket |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Robertson" <mrobert569@hotmail.com>
Van's sells two different governor brackets. One for the Woodward and the
other for the Jihostroj. Just tell them which one you want. They are not
interchangable.
Mike Robertson
>From: "Ted D. Hultzapple" <thultzap@rochester.rr.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: Governor bracket
>Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 22:03:40 -0400
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Ted D. Hultzapple"
><thultzap@rochester.rr.com>
>
>Can anyone tell me if the bracket that Van's sells (VA-153-PC) will fit the
>Jihostroj governor?
>Thanks,
>Ted
>
>
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| Subject: | *EFIS / INSTRUMENTS FOR SALE* |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
I have some stuff for sale that some of you might be interested in...
NEW:
Grand Rapids Dual Display EFIS w/GPS Module - $9000
USED:
Airspeed - $100
Altimeter - $150
VSI - $95
G-Meter - $240
Needle & Ball - $195
More info and photos here: http://www.vondane.com/forsale/index.htm
-Bill
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--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.edu>
Well,
having landed at SEZ a bunch of times I do have to agree with Paul, the
commuters always land uphill and takeoff downhill, which messes up us
neophytes.
I do have to tell a story on myself though.
Landing there a few years ago, it was such a pretty day, I was having so
much fun enjoying the scenery there I got to mid-short final before
realizing that I needed some more downhill as I was still at '1000 ft above
the runway.
I still landed short of the '2k marker and made the turnoff just by the fuel
farm.
But that is only a testiment to the RV's abilites... not of my flying
skills.
I have also been there when the ceiling above the runway was 500ft agl but
1400 agl of the surrounding terrain. So, was it VFR legal to land there?
W
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| Subject: | lycoming lift ring |
--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.edu>
Wow,
after reading this I gotta comment.
The Lycoming case was never designed to be a lifting point for the entire
aircraft.
I would be very cautious using this for anything other than lifting the
engine, sans an aircraft and propeller.
W
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| Subject: | Re: Sloshing fuel tanks w/alodine after completion |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
While you may be correct this is an unrealistic solution. You just can't
keep the fuel tanks
full while flying and many folks will not immediately fill the tank after
every flight.
Ron Lee
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>Hmm...if you generally keep the tanks as full as possible...do you really need
>to worry about corrosion prevention in the tanks?
>
>If fuel is in there...O2 isn't getting to anything (except a little around the
>highest-points on the outboard end of the tank) so nothing's oxidizing, right?
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall control cable hole locations |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John B. Szantho" <szantho@usa.com>
I am ready to install the engine mount and engine on my RV9-A (O-320 D1A,
standard Lycoming, no special additions); however I would like to drill the
firewall holes for the Throttle, Carbheat, and Mixture cables. Van's
suggested that I should install the engine first, because the DWG 19
depicted hole locations might change. It sure would be a big pain to drill
these holes once the engine is installed. Van's suggested solution is to
remove the engine with the mount, drill the holes and reinstall the
engine/mount combo. This might be even more fun! Did any of you run into any
problems with the hole locations (did you have to move any of them to a
different location) once the engine is installed? In an earlier conversation
with Van's I suggested moving the Mixture firewall cable hole a bit to the
left to clear the Facet pump backing plate, but they told me not to do that.
So what is a poor first time builder to do? Help guys. I purchased the
control cables from Van's in the Firewall Forward Kit.
John
RV9-A N3294C
Firewall Forward
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <paul@kitlog.com>
Yes, you were VFR, because the airspace is Class G. VFR at that altitude is
1 mile clear of clouds. So as long as you had at least one mile vis, and
you stayed clear of the clouds, you were VFR.
Paul Besing
RV-6A Sold
Kitlog Builder's Software
www.kitlog.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Wheeler North
Subject: RV-List: Sedona
--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.edu>
Well,
having landed at SEZ a bunch of times I do have to agree with Paul, the
commuters always land uphill and takeoff downhill, which messes up us
neophytes.
I do have to tell a story on myself though.
Landing there a few years ago, it was such a pretty day, I was having so
much fun enjoying the scenery there I got to mid-short final before
realizing that I needed some more downhill as I was still at '1000 ft above
the runway.
I still landed short of the '2k marker and made the turnoff just by the fuel
farm.
But that is only a testiment to the RV's abilites... not of my flying
skills.
I have also been there when the ceiling above the runway was 500ft agl but
1400 agl of the surrounding terrain. So, was it VFR legal to land there?
W
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall control cable hole locations |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" <pat_hatch@msn.com>
John,
Have you considered using a Greenlee hole punch? You will probably get away
with not having to remove the engine this way. However, removing the
engine/mount combination in not a big deal if you have an engine hoist. I
would recommend not torqueing the engine mount nuts until you're sure you
won't be removing the engine any more.
Pat Hatch
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John B. Szantho
Subject: RV-List: Re: Firewall control cable hole locations
--> RV-List message posted by: "John B. Szantho" <szantho@usa.com>
I am ready to install the engine mount and engine on my RV9-A (O-320 D1A,
standard Lycoming, no special additions); however I would like to drill the
firewall holes for the Throttle, Carbheat, and Mixture cables. Van's
suggested that I should install the engine first, because the DWG 19
depicted hole locations might change. It sure would be a big pain to drill
these holes once the engine is installed. Van's suggested solution is to
remove the engine with the mount, drill the holes and reinstall the
engine/mount combo. This might be even more fun! Did any of you run into any
problems with the hole locations (did you have to move any of them to a
different location) once the engine is installed? In an earlier conversation
with Van's I suggested moving the Mixture firewall cable hole a bit to the
left to clear the Facet pump backing plate, but they told me not to do that.
So what is a poor first time builder to do? Help guys. I purchased the
control cables from Van's in the Firewall Forward Kit.
John
RV9-A N3294C
Firewall Forward
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--> RV-List message posted by: FLYNBYK@cs.com
Does anyone out there have a tail for an RV6 or 6A for sale.
Bob Gorman/CA
flynbyk@cs.com
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--> RV-List message posted by: John Huft <rv8@lazy8.net>
Wrong!
Sedona is in Class E airspace, as usual when the airport has an
instrument approach. That means the VFR minimums are 1000 ft and 3 miles.
John
Paul Besing wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <paul@kitlog.com>
>
>Yes, you were VFR, because the airspace is Class G. VFR at that altitude is
>1 mile clear of clouds. So as long as you had at least one mile vis, and
>you stayed clear of the clouds, you were VFR.
>
>Paul Besing
>RV-6A Sold
>Kitlog Builder's Software
>www.kitlog.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Wheeler North
>To: 'rv-list@matronics.com'
>Subject: RV-List: Sedona
>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.edu>
>
>Well,
>
>having landed at SEZ a bunch of times I do have to agree with Paul, the
>commuters always land uphill and takeoff downhill, which messes up us
>neophytes.
>
>I do have to tell a story on myself though.
>
>Landing there a few years ago, it was such a pretty day, I was having so
>much fun enjoying the scenery there I got to mid-short final before
>realizing that I needed some more downhill as I was still at '1000 ft above
>the runway.
>
>I still landed short of the '2k marker and made the turnoff just by the fuel
>farm.
>
>But that is only a testiment to the RV's abilites... not of my flying
>skills.
>
>I have also been there when the ceiling above the runway was 500ft agl but
>1400 agl of the surrounding terrain. So, was it VFR legal to land there?
>
>W
>
>do not archive
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tail for RV6/6A |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dan DeNeal <rv6apilot@yahoo.com>
I have most of the empanage pieces but not all. What are you looking for?
Dan
FLYNBYK@cs.com wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: FLYNBYK@cs.com
Does anyone out there have a tail for an RV6 or 6A for sale.
Bob Gorman/CA
flynbyk@cs.com
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue" <n5lp@warpdriveonline.com>
> --> RV-List message posted by: John Huft <rv8@lazy8.net>
>
> Wrong!
>
> Sedona is in Class E airspace, as usual when the airport has an
> instrument approach. That means the VFR minimums are 1000 ft and 3 miles.
>
> John
>
What is your reference? The chart here
https://aviationtoolbox.org/Members/kyler/tools/map_explorer?image=-1055751%2C-219899%2C50&scale=50&selected.y=556&selected.x=266
shows no surface based class E at Sedona. It is not unusual for an airport
with instrument approaches to have the Class E stop at 700 feet as at
Sedona. Flagstaff, on the other hand, does show surface based Class E.
Clear of clouds would be legal at Sedona. The question would be if surface
clearances could be maintained. There is the subjective question of whether
or not that area is congested enough that one needs to be 1,000 feet above
obstacles or just 500 feet or maybe that does not apply because one is in
the process of landing.
do not archive
Larry Pardue
Carlsbad, NM
RV-6 N441LP Flying
http://n5lp.net
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| Subject: | Re: *EFIS / INSTRUMENTS FOR SALE* |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
Sorry, I was off on the price of the EIFS... I will take $8500...
http://www.vondane.com/forsale/index.htm
-Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
Subject: RV-List: *EFIS / INSTRUMENTS FOR SALE*
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
I have some stuff for sale that some of you might be interested in...
NEW:
Grand Rapids Dual Display EFIS w/GPS Module - $9000
USED:
Airspeed - SOLD
Altimeter - SOLD
VSI - $95
G-Meter - $240
Needle & Ball - $195
More info and photos here: http://www.vondane.com/forsale/index.htm
-Bill
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
This should be on a Private pilot training website, not on the RV list, but
I will jump in.
I do not have a sectional here at work, but I looked at an online chart at
Aeroplanner.com website. It looks to me like Sedona is under class E
airspace. I don't see a Class E surface area magenta segmented circle,
which would take class E to the ground, nor do I see a shaded magenta circle
which would take class E down to 700 AGL. So I think that Paul is correct,
and you are mistaken. Based on what I see, and I am not sure of anything
except death and taxes, The airspace at Sedona below 1200 ft AGL is class G
airspace. That makes VFR 1 mile Clear of clouds.
All that said, unless I was looking at a current sectional, I would not bet
my ticket on it. And then of course I would still be skeptical.
Tailwinds,
Doug Rozendaal
CFII
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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Huft" <rv8@lazy8.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Sedona
> --> RV-List message posted by: John Huft <rv8@lazy8.net>
>
> Wrong!
>
> Sedona is in Class E airspace, as usual when the airport has an
> instrument approach. That means the VFR minimums are 1000 ft and 3 miles.
>
> John
>
>
> Paul Besing wrote:
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <paul@kitlog.com>
>>
>>Yes, you were VFR, because the airspace is Class G. VFR at that altitude
>>is
>>1 mile clear of clouds. So as long as you had at least one mile vis, and
>>you stayed clear of the clouds, you were VFR.
>>
>>Paul Besing
>>RV-6A Sold
>>Kitlog Builder's Software
>>www.kitlog.com
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Wheeler North
>>To: 'rv-list@matronics.com'
>>Subject: RV-List: Sedona
>>
>>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.edu>
>>
>>Well,
>>
>>having landed at SEZ a bunch of times I do have to agree with Paul, the
>>commuters always land uphill and takeoff downhill, which messes up us
>>neophytes.
>>
>>I do have to tell a story on myself though.
>>
>>Landing there a few years ago, it was such a pretty day, I was having so
>>much fun enjoying the scenery there I got to mid-short final before
>>realizing that I needed some more downhill as I was still at '1000 ft
>>above
>>the runway.
>>
>>I still landed short of the '2k marker and made the turnoff just by the
>>fuel
>>farm.
>>
>>But that is only a testiment to the RV's abilites... not of my flying
>>skills.
>>
>>I have also been there when the ceiling above the runway was 500ft agl but
>>1400 agl of the surrounding terrain. So, was it VFR legal to land there?
>>
>>W
>>
>>do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue" <n5lp@warpdriveonline.com>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
>
>
> This should be on a Private pilot training website, not on the RV list,
> but
> I will jump in.
>
> I do not have a sectional here at work, but I looked at an online chart at
> Aeroplanner.com website. It looks to me like Sedona is under class E
> airspace. I don't see a Class E surface area magenta segmented circle,
> which would take class E to the ground, nor do I see a shaded magenta
> circle
> which would take class E down to 700 AGL. So I think that Paul is
> correct,
> and you are mistaken. Based on what I see, and I am not sure of anything
> except death and taxes, The airspace at Sedona below 1200 ft AGL is class
> G
> airspace. That makes VFR 1 mile Clear of clouds.
>
Doug is correct of course. The class E at Sedona starts at 1200 feet
instead of 700 as I said. Moral is if you are on an instrument approach and
break out at 700 feet or so, don't be surprised to encounter legal VFR
traffic.
do not archive
Larry Pardue
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <paul@kitlog.com>
I'm sorry, John, no it is not class E. If you look at a sectional, you will
see that there is no dashed magenta line, which means class E to the
surface. The vignette that Sedona is located in is within a blue shaded
vignette, which denotes class E begins at 1200' AGL. Since the original
poster was talking about 500 AGL (above the airport) the airspace at 500
feet AGL is class G, which during the day, is 1 mile clear of clouds. Had
it been at night, then standard cloud clearances would apply.
Now, if you take the argument to the valley below, one would have to look at
the contour lines to see if the area around the airport (not directly above)
to see if in fact 500' above the airport was actually 1200' above the
valley. I don't have a topo map available currently, but I would guess it
is about 500-700' lower than the airport. Unless we can determine that at
any point he was at least 1200' agl, he remained in Class G.
Paul Besing
CFII
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Huft
Subject: Re: RV-List: Sedona
--> RV-List message posted by: John Huft <rv8@lazy8.net>
Wrong!
Sedona is in Class E airspace, as usual when the airport has an
instrument approach. That means the VFR minimums are 1000 ft and 3 miles.
John
Paul Besing wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <paul@kitlog.com>
>
>Yes, you were VFR, because the airspace is Class G. VFR at that altitude
is
>1 mile clear of clouds. So as long as you had at least one mile vis, and
>you stayed clear of the clouds, you were VFR.
>
>Paul Besing
>RV-6A Sold
>Kitlog Builder's Software
>www.kitlog.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Wheeler North
>To: 'rv-list@matronics.com'
>Subject: RV-List: Sedona
>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.edu>
>
>Well,
>
>having landed at SEZ a bunch of times I do have to agree with Paul, the
>commuters always land uphill and takeoff downhill, which messes up us
>neophytes.
>
>I do have to tell a story on myself though.
>
>Landing there a few years ago, it was such a pretty day, I was having so
>much fun enjoying the scenery there I got to mid-short final before
>realizing that I needed some more downhill as I was still at '1000 ft above
>the runway.
>
>I still landed short of the '2k marker and made the turnoff just by the
fuel
>farm.
>
>But that is only a testiment to the RV's abilites... not of my flying
>skills.
>
>I have also been there when the ceiling above the runway was 500ft agl but
>1400 agl of the surrounding terrain. So, was it VFR legal to land there?
>
>W
>
>do not archive
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Doug Weiler <dcw@mnwing.org>
Greetings Listers:
For the RV-4 folks (there must be a couple still around):
I really need to increase the fresh air ventilation in my -4. Right now I
am taking fresh air off the back baffle and running it through Van's mixing
box into the cabin. Plenty of fresh air when in the "cold" mode, but since
the air flows through the top of the cowling first, it is about 10 degrees
above ambient. Not good on a hot day.
I want to install a NACA vent under the right cheek venting up to a fresh
air eyeball mounted under the right lower portion of the panel. I have a
fair amount of experience in knowing that there are a lot of weird pressure
areas around the RV-4 cowl and canopy. Have any of you mounted a NACA vent
in this area on the RHS?? Does it work OK???
BTW, I have one of Larry Vetterman's little rotating scoop things for the
rear seat pax and it works very well on the RHS of the canopy skirt. But
mounting a similar vent for the front pilot is useless (I had one located
here on a previous RV-4 and it suck air out!!)
Thanks
Doug Weiler
N722DW, 200hrs
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| Subject: | Re: Tail for RV6/6A |
--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
I've got misc small pieces and most of the fiberglass...
Darrell
FLYNBYK@cs.com wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: FLYNBYK@cs.com
Does anyone out there have a tail for an RV6 or 6A for sale.
Bob Gorman/CA
flynbyk@cs.com
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--> RV-List message posted by: <bakerocb@cox.net>
6/21/2005
Hello RV Listers, I am seeking your help. I want to purchase a replacement
carbon fiber spinner for my KIS TR-1 airplane. In the past I have visited
the web site for a company that manufactures such replacement spinners for
type certificated airplanes. I feel that I can adapt one of them to my
needs.
My problem is that I cannot relocate that web site. Several hours of
googling comes up empty because the word spinners is so commonly used.
If any of you can come up with that web site I would appreciate it. Please
email me directly as I do not subscribe to the RV list. Many thanks for your
help and I apologize for the off subject posting.
OC <<bakerocb@cox.net>>
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--> RV-List message posted by: John Huft <rv8@lazy8.net>
Well, you are all right, and I am wrong. Paul, I apologize.
Interesting lesson for me. After 36 years of flying, and 12 years a
CFII, I find that I do not fully understand one of the rules. Though, I
must admit that I let the instructor stuff expire two years ago. But, a
good lesson none-the-less.
I am a little distressed that I might be on an instrument approach, and
barely break out of the clouds, and encounter VFR traffic. I thought I
understood the theory of the rules, but clearly I was wrong.
Sorry for a bad posting.
John Huft
Paul Besing wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <paul@kitlog.com>
>
>I'm sorry, John, no it is not class E. If you look at a sectional, you will
>see that there is no dashed magenta line, which means class E to the
>surface. The vignette that Sedona is located in is within a blue shaded
>vignette, which denotes class E begins at 1200' AGL. Since the original
>poster was talking about 500 AGL (above the airport) the airspace at 500
>feet AGL is class G, which during the day, is 1 mile clear of clouds. Had
>it been at night, then standard cloud clearances would apply.
>
>Now, if you take the argument to the valley below, one would have to look at
>the contour lines to see if the area around the airport (not directly above)
>to see if in fact 500' above the airport was actually 1200' above the
>valley. I don't have a topo map available currently, but I would guess it
>is about 500-700' lower than the airport. Unless we can determine that at
>any point he was at least 1200' agl, he remained in Class G.
>
>Paul Besing
>CFII
>
>do not archive
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Huft
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Sedona
>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: John Huft <rv8@lazy8.net>
>
>Wrong!
>
>Sedona is in Class E airspace, as usual when the airport has an
>instrument approach. That means the VFR minimums are 1000 ft and 3 miles.
>
>John
>
>
>Paul Besing wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <paul@kitlog.com>
>>
>>Yes, you were VFR, because the airspace is Class G. VFR at that altitude
>>
>>
>is
>
>
>>1 mile clear of clouds. So as long as you had at least one mile vis, and
>>you stayed clear of the clouds, you were VFR.
>>
>>Paul Besing
>>RV-6A Sold
>>Kitlog Builder's Software
>>www.kitlog.com
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Wheeler North
>>To: 'rv-list@matronics.com'
>>Subject: RV-List: Sedona
>>
>>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.edu>
>>
>>Well,
>>
>>having landed at SEZ a bunch of times I do have to agree with Paul, the
>>commuters always land uphill and takeoff downhill, which messes up us
>>neophytes.
>>
>>I do have to tell a story on myself though.
>>
>>Landing there a few years ago, it was such a pretty day, I was having so
>>much fun enjoying the scenery there I got to mid-short final before
>>realizing that I needed some more downhill as I was still at '1000 ft above
>>the runway.
>>
>>I still landed short of the '2k marker and made the turnoff just by the
>>
>>
>fuel
>
>
>>farm.
>>
>>But that is only a testiment to the RV's abilites... not of my flying
>>skills.
>>
>>I have also been there when the ceiling above the runway was 500ft agl but
>>1400 agl of the surrounding terrain. So, was it VFR legal to land there?
>>
>>W
>>
>>do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-4 air vent |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@romeolima.com>
> I really need to increase the fresh air ventilation in my -4. Right now I
> am taking fresh air off the back baffle and running it through Van's
mixing
> box into the cabin. Plenty of fresh air when in the "cold" mode, but
since
> the air flows through the top of the cowling first, it is about 10 degrees
> above ambient. Not good on a hot day.
Doug, I've seen a couple of installations where they run the 2" scat tube up
the center of the engine and capture air close to the cooling inlets. I
wonder if this would reduce the 10 degree increase you're getting. I can
send you a pic of such an install if you like, I plan to copy it myself.
> I want to install a NACA vent under the right cheek venting up to a fresh
> air eyeball mounted under the right lower portion of the panel. I have a
> fair amount of experience in knowing that there are a lot of weird
pressure
> areas around the RV-4 cowl and canopy. Have any of you mounted a NACA
vent
> in this area on the RHS?? Does it work OK???
Would like to hear responses on this as well.
> BTW, I have one of Larry Vetterman's little rotating scoop things for the
> rear seat pax and it works very well on the RHS of the canopy skirt. But
> mounting a similar vent for the front pilot is useless (I had one located
> here on a previous RV-4 and it suck air out!!)
Heard that before from many builders.
Cheers,
Randy Lervold
RV-3 #11375, finish kit
www.rv-3.com
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <paul@kitlog.com>
Don't sweat it. I quite often find myself giving out not so correct
information to my students. I'll get Army regs mixed up with civilian regs,
etc, etc.
You had the right idea. There are provisions in place for separating IFR
traffic from VFR traffic, which is why you have transition areas from 1200,
down to 700, then to the surface, for airports that have more IFR traffic.
But in this case, Sedona doesn't apply. When the FAA does surveys, they
look at the number of IFR operations, terrain, etc, to determine if what
kind of controlled airspace (e.g. Class E) needs to be implemented.
Unfortunately, it requires a close call or even a mid air to determine that
they need to make a change (sometimes). Das Fed, no offense as usual.
My guess is there are not enough IFR operations into Sedona to justify the
airspace. Other than tourism, there isn't much commerce in Sedona. I guess
they figure 90% of all flights in there are by fair weather $100 hamburger
flights. Personally, I like flying IMC, but into Sedona isn't my idea of
enjoyable IMC flying. The whole reason why we go there is the scenery is so
spectacular.
So, to keep this RV related, for those of you have not made the trek, next
time you are in AZ you need to go there.
Paul Besing
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Huft
Subject: Re: RV-List: Sedona
--> RV-List message posted by: John Huft <rv8@lazy8.net>
Well, you are all right, and I am wrong. Paul, I apologize.
Interesting lesson for me. After 36 years of flying, and 12 years a
CFII, I find that I do not fully understand one of the rules. Though, I
must admit that I let the instructor stuff expire two years ago. But, a
good lesson none-the-less.
I am a little distressed that I might be on an instrument approach, and
barely break out of the clouds, and encounter VFR traffic. I thought I
understood the theory of the rules, but clearly I was wrong.
Sorry for a bad posting.
John Huft
Paul Besing wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <paul@kitlog.com>
>
>I'm sorry, John, no it is not class E. If you look at a sectional, you
will
>see that there is no dashed magenta line, which means class E to the
>surface. The vignette that Sedona is located in is within a blue shaded
>vignette, which denotes class E begins at 1200' AGL. Since the original
>poster was talking about 500 AGL (above the airport) the airspace at 500
>feet AGL is class G, which during the day, is 1 mile clear of clouds. Had
>it been at night, then standard cloud clearances would apply.
>
>Now, if you take the argument to the valley below, one would have to look
at
>the contour lines to see if the area around the airport (not directly
above)
>to see if in fact 500' above the airport was actually 1200' above the
>valley. I don't have a topo map available currently, but I would guess it
>is about 500-700' lower than the airport. Unless we can determine that at
>any point he was at least 1200' agl, he remained in Class G.
>
>Paul Besing
>CFII
>
>do not archive
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Huft
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Sedona
>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: John Huft <rv8@lazy8.net>
>
>Wrong!
>
>Sedona is in Class E airspace, as usual when the airport has an
>instrument approach. That means the VFR minimums are 1000 ft and 3 miles.
>
>John
>
>
>Paul Besing wrote:
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <paul@kitlog.com>
>>
>>Yes, you were VFR, because the airspace is Class G. VFR at that altitude
>>
>>
>is
>
>
>>1 mile clear of clouds. So as long as you had at least one mile vis, and
>>you stayed clear of the clouds, you were VFR.
>>
>>Paul Besing
>>RV-6A Sold
>>Kitlog Builder's Software
>>www.kitlog.com
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Wheeler North
>>To: 'rv-list@matronics.com'
>>Subject: RV-List: Sedona
>>
>>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.edu>
>>
>>Well,
>>
>>having landed at SEZ a bunch of times I do have to agree with Paul, the
>>commuters always land uphill and takeoff downhill, which messes up us
>>neophytes.
>>
>>I do have to tell a story on myself though.
>>
>>Landing there a few years ago, it was such a pretty day, I was having so
>>much fun enjoying the scenery there I got to mid-short final before
>>realizing that I needed some more downhill as I was still at '1000 ft
above
>>the runway.
>>
>>I still landed short of the '2k marker and made the turnoff just by the
>>
>>
>fuel
>
>
>>farm.
>>
>>But that is only a testiment to the RV's abilites... not of my flying
>>skills.
>>
>>I have also been there when the ceiling above the runway was 500ft agl but
>>1400 agl of the surrounding terrain. So, was it VFR legal to land there?
>>
>>W
>>
>>do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-4 air vent |
--> RV-List message posted by: Doug Weiler <dcw@mnwing.org>
Yes, send me the photo. I'd be curious.
Doug
On 6/21/05 8:24 PM, "Randy Lervold" <randy@romeolima.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@romeolima.com>
>
>> I really need to increase the fresh air ventilation in my -4. Right now I
>> am taking fresh air off the back baffle and running it through Van's
> mixing
>> box into the cabin. Plenty of fresh air when in the "cold" mode, but
> since
>> the air flows through the top of the cowling first, it is about 10 degrees
>> above ambient. Not good on a hot day.
>
> Doug, I've seen a couple of installations where they run the 2" scat tube up
> the center of the engine and capture air close to the cooling inlets. I
> wonder if this would reduce the 10 degree increase you're getting. I can
> send you a pic of such an install if you like, I plan to copy it myself.
>
>> I want to install a NACA vent under the right cheek venting up to a fresh
>> air eyeball mounted under the right lower portion of the panel. I have a
>> fair amount of experience in knowing that there are a lot of weird
> pressure
>> areas around the RV-4 cowl and canopy. Have any of you mounted a NACA
> vent
>> in this area on the RHS?? Does it work OK???
>
> Would like to hear responses on this as well.
>
>> BTW, I have one of Larry Vetterman's little rotating scoop things for the
>> rear seat pax and it works very well on the RHS of the canopy skirt. But
>> mounting a similar vent for the front pilot is useless (I had one located
>> here on a previous RV-4 and it suck air out!!)
>
> Heard that before from many builders.
>
> Cheers,
> Randy Lervold
> RV-3 #11375, finish kit
> www.rv-3.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tail for RV6/6A |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mark Grieve <mark@macomb.com>
I have most skins and some ribs. I believe that a friend has a spare HS
that is already built.
Mark
FLYNBYK@cs.com wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: FLYNBYK@cs.com
>
>Does anyone out there have a tail for an RV6 or 6A for sale.
>
>Bob Gorman/CA
>flynbyk@cs.com
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Spinner Help |
--> RV-List message posted by: Brian Alley <n320wt@yahoo.com>
I own and operate Carbon Fiber Composites and
manufacture aircraft parts for experimentals using
carbon fiber. I have several molds for spinners and
back plates. Let me know what you need and I'll quote
you a price.
BRIAN ALLEY (N320WT)
CARBON FIBER COMPOSITES
101 Caroline Circle
Hurricane, WV 25526
304-562-6800 home
How are you going to win by a nose if you don't stick out your neck?
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--> RV-List message posted by: Brian Alley <n320wt@yahoo.com>
I own and operate Carbon Fiber Composites and
manufacture aircraft parts for experimentals using
carbon fiber. I have several molds for spinners and
back plates. Let me know what you need and I'll quote
you a price.
BRIAN ALLEY (N320WT)
CARBON FIBER COMPOSITES
101 Caroline Circle
Hurricane, WV 25526
304-562-6800 home
How are you going to win by a nose if you don't stick out your neck?
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| Subject: | Re: RV-4 air vent |
--> RV-List message posted by: "H.Ivan Haecker" <baremetl@gvtc.com>
Doug,
I get my air for the front seat from the front of the cowling as Randy
described. I measure about 3 degrees higher than outside using this method.
Much improved over the rear baffle pickup point. For the rear seat, I
retrofitted an under the wing naca style similar to the rv-8. Very nice air
flow and little extra noise. Pictures if needed.
Ivan Haecker -4 1155 hrs. S. Cen. TX (where it's hot)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Weiler" <dcw@mnwing.org>
Subject: RV-List: RV-4 air vent
> --> RV-List message posted by: Doug Weiler <dcw@mnwing.org>
>
> Greetings Listers:
>
> For the RV-4 folks (there must be a couple still around):
>
> I really need to increase the fresh air ventilation in my -4. Right now I
> am taking fresh air off the back baffle and running it through Van's
mixing
> box into the cabin. Plenty of fresh air when in the "cold" mode, but
since
> the air flows through the top of the cowling first, it is about 10 degrees
> above ambient. Not good on a hot day.
>
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| Subject: | Spinner bulkhead indexing |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
My Hartzell prop came back from a reseal job today. When I went to
reinstall the spinner, the screw holes in the forward bulkhead no longer
ling up with those in the spinner. Can the forward part of the prop hub,
where the bulkhead is mounted, be re-indexed so things line up again? How?
Thanks,
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
Class G or Class E or IFR or VFR
Sure sounds a like case where a simpler set of rules are required so we
don't need a FAA lawyer to fly into a airport.
Tom Gummo
Apple Valley, CA
Harmon Rocket-II
do not archive
http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Besing" <paul@kitlog.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Sedona
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <paul@kitlog.com>
>
> Don't sweat it. I quite often find myself giving out not so correct
> information to my students. I'll get Army regs mixed up with civilian
> regs,
> etc, etc.
>
> You had the right idea. There are provisions in place for separating IFR
> traffic from VFR traffic, which is why you have transition areas from
> 1200,
> down to 700, then to the surface, for airports that have more IFR traffic.
> But in this case, Sedona doesn't apply. When the FAA does surveys, they
> look at the number of IFR operations, terrain, etc, to determine if what
> kind of controlled airspace (e.g. Class E) needs to be implemented.
> Unfortunately, it requires a close call or even a mid air to determine
> that
> they need to make a change (sometimes). Das Fed, no offense as usual.
>
> My guess is there are not enough IFR operations into Sedona to justify the
> airspace. Other than tourism, there isn't much commerce in Sedona. I
> guess
> they figure 90% of all flights in there are by fair weather $100 hamburger
> flights. Personally, I like flying IMC, but into Sedona isn't my idea of
> enjoyable IMC flying. The whole reason why we go there is the scenery is
> so
> spectacular.
>
> So, to keep this RV related, for those of you have not made the trek, next
> time you are in AZ you need to go there.
>
> Paul Besing
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Huft
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Sedona
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: John Huft <rv8@lazy8.net>
>
> Well, you are all right, and I am wrong. Paul, I apologize.
>
> Interesting lesson for me. After 36 years of flying, and 12 years a
> CFII, I find that I do not fully understand one of the rules. Though, I
> must admit that I let the instructor stuff expire two years ago. But, a
> good lesson none-the-less.
>
> I am a little distressed that I might be on an instrument approach, and
> barely break out of the clouds, and encounter VFR traffic. I thought I
> understood the theory of the rules, but clearly I was wrong.
>
> Sorry for a bad posting.
>
> John Huft
>
>
> Paul Besing wrote:
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <paul@kitlog.com>
>>
>>I'm sorry, John, no it is not class E. If you look at a sectional, you
> will
>>see that there is no dashed magenta line, which means class E to the
>>surface. The vignette that Sedona is located in is within a blue shaded
>>vignette, which denotes class E begins at 1200' AGL. Since the original
>>poster was talking about 500 AGL (above the airport) the airspace at 500
>>feet AGL is class G, which during the day, is 1 mile clear of clouds. Had
>>it been at night, then standard cloud clearances would apply.
>>
>>Now, if you take the argument to the valley below, one would have to look
> at
>>the contour lines to see if the area around the airport (not directly
> above)
>>to see if in fact 500' above the airport was actually 1200' above the
>>valley. I don't have a topo map available currently, but I would guess it
>>is about 500-700' lower than the airport. Unless we can determine that at
>>any point he was at least 1200' agl, he remained in Class G.
>>
>>Paul Besing
>>CFII
>>
>>do not archive
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Huft
>>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RV-List: Sedona
>>
>>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: John Huft <rv8@lazy8.net>
>>
>>Wrong!
>>
>>Sedona is in Class E airspace, as usual when the airport has an
>>instrument approach. That means the VFR minimums are 1000 ft and 3 miles.
>>
>>John
>>
>>
>>Paul Besing wrote:
>>
>>
>>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <paul@kitlog.com>
>>>
>>>Yes, you were VFR, because the airspace is Class G. VFR at that altitude
>>>
>>>
>>is
>>
>>
>>>1 mile clear of clouds. So as long as you had at least one mile vis, and
>>>you stayed clear of the clouds, you were VFR.
>>>
>>>Paul Besing
>>>RV-6A Sold
>>>Kitlog Builder's Software
>>>www.kitlog.com
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>>>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Wheeler North
>>>To: 'rv-list@matronics.com'
>>>Subject: RV-List: Sedona
>>>
>>>
>>>--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.edu>
>>>
>>>Well,
>>>
>>>having landed at SEZ a bunch of times I do have to agree with Paul, the
>>>commuters always land uphill and takeoff downhill, which messes up us
>>>neophytes.
>>>
>>>I do have to tell a story on myself though.
>>>
>>>Landing there a few years ago, it was such a pretty day, I was having so
>>>much fun enjoying the scenery there I got to mid-short final before
>>>realizing that I needed some more downhill as I was still at '1000 ft
> above
>>>the runway.
>>>
>>>I still landed short of the '2k marker and made the turnoff just by the
>>>
>>>
>>fuel
>>
>>
>>>farm.
>>>
>>>But that is only a testiment to the RV's abilites... not of my flying
>>>skills.
>>>
>>>I have also been there when the ceiling above the runway was 500ft agl
>>>but
>>>1400 agl of the surrounding terrain. So, was it VFR legal to land there?
>>>
>>>W
>>>
>>>do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
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