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1. 04:55 AM - Re: Dynon (or why Dan C has little IMC time) (Jim Robinette)
2. 05:02 AM - Re: Fuel vapors in cockpitFuel vapors in cockpit (Jeff Dowling)
3. 05:03 AM - Re: Dynon (LarryRobertHelming)
4. 05:10 AM - Re: Dynon (Doug Rozendaal)
5. 05:24 AM - Re: Low oil pressure event (Brian Alley)
6. 05:39 AM - Re: Dynon (Kevin Horton)
7. 06:49 AM - Re: Fuel vapors in cockpitFuel vapors in cockpit (elsa-henry)
8. 06:57 AM - Re: Fuel vapors in cockpitFuel vapors in cockpit (Bob Collins)
9. 07:49 AM - 7/7A Builder's Get-together (Bob Collins)
10. 08:44 AM - Re: First Flight N863JJ (Charles Rowbotham)
11. 09:32 AM - Tapping holes in the canopy frame (Mark Schrimmer)
12. 10:46 AM - Re: Tapping holes in the canopy frame (Tim Bryan)
13. 11:13 AM - Re: Tapping holes in the canopy frame (Phil Birkelbach)
14. 11:58 AM - Re: Tapping holes in the canopy frame (Scott Bilinski)
15. 01:53 PM - Re: Tapping holes in the canopy frame (Ron Lee)
16. 03:03 PM - Fw: [FlyRotary] Re: Brake Line Incident Photos (David Carter)
17. 03:03 PM - Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Brake Line Incident Photos (David Carter)
18. 03:43 PM - Re: Fw: [FlyRotary] Re: Brake Line Incident Photos (Jerry Springer)
19. 05:07 PM - Re: Fw: [FlyRotary] Re: Brake Line Incident Photos (Ed Anderson)
20. 06:43 PM - Re: Fw: [FlyRotary] Re: Brake Line Incident Photos (linn walters)
21. 07:09 PM - Re: Just names and no faces (dick martin)
22. 07:37 PM - Re: Just names and no faces (Paul Besing)
23. 09:16 PM - Re: First Flight N863JJ (Bob Perkinson)
24. 10:33 PM - Re: Just names and no faces (Stan Jones)
25. 10:41 PM - Re: Tapping holes in the canopy frame (Mickey Coggins)
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| Subject: | Dynon (or why Dan C has little IMC time) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Robinette" <jim@rvator.net>
I would also guess the reason Dan has so little IMC time is that he
lives in sunny SoCal, where IMC can be hard to find on most days! If
only we were all so lucky.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Checkoway
Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
I have 524 hours on my EFIS-D10. Only 15.3 of that is instrument time
(24 approaches). So it's not like I'm doing a ton of hard IFR or
anything.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel vapors in cockpitFuel vapors in cockpit |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
The only easy way to connect a pressure line is to the vent, which is where
the balloon needs to go. Now how do I connect a "T" fitting to the vent for
a pressure line and balloon????
Shemp/Jeff Dowling
RV-6A, N915JD
200 hours
Chicago/Louisville
----- Original Message -----
From: "Herron, Al" <al.herron@Aerojet.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel vapors in cockpitFuel vapors in cockpit
> --> RV-List message posted by: al.herron@Aerojet.com (Herron, Al)
>
> I happened to be talking to our local EAA Tech Counselor last weekend
> about pressurizing fuel tanks. He suggests putting a toy rubber balloon
> on a fitting (could be a tee in your input pressure line). You don't
> want much pressure, maybe enough to half-inflate the balloon. The
> balloon will give you a visual indicator of a leak (by slowly deflating)
> plus serve as a safety valve - the balloon will burst way before your
> aluminum tank will.
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
I have only 36 hours flying to date. But the other day while just flying
along in the clear with somewhat calm winds/updrafts/downdrafts I just
glanced at the Dynon and saw it displayed something briefly to the effect
that altitude reporting was being discontinued. My standard (old iron)
altitude backup display still showed what I consider to be the correct
altitude and my Garmin 327 with a Sandia encoder still showed what I
consider to be a correct altitude. I have also noticed occasionally the
attitude display of the Dynon will show a slight bank momentarily when none
is there. I cannot recommend anyone rely solely on the Dynon for IFR
flight.
Indiana Larry, RV7 Tip Up It Flies
> --> RV-List message posted by: Bobby Hester <bhester@hopkinsville.net>
>
> Sherri & Paul Richardson wrote:
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Sherri & Paul Richardson"
>><prichar@mail.win.org>
>>
>>Hello All,
>>Has anyone used the Dynon for IFR? I'm thinking of using one as backup
>>attitude indicator, but I'd like some input into quirks, strengths, etc,
>>for IFR flight.
>>Thanks,
>>Paul Richardson
>>RV-6A (bought) 490 hours
>>
>>
> http://www.rvproject.com/ Dan does all the time!
>
> --
> Surfing the Web from Hopkinsville, KY
> Visit my web site at: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/
> RV7A Slowbuild wings-QB Fuse :-)
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr@petroblend.com>
I too use my Dynon as a primary IFR instrument. I too back it up with a
Steam gauge Alt and AS as well as a NAVAID autopilot. I am coming up on 2
years and 400 hours with mine, I don't log IFR time closely, but I would bet
I have much more than 15 hours of actual time on mine, and I have flown
several approaches to, or nearly to minimums.
My experience would cause me to echo Dan's comments. If you plan to fly IFR
in an RV, no matter what kind of gauges you use, you need to a current and
profficient instrument pilot.
Tailwinds,
Doug Rozendaal
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Dynon
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
> I use my Dynon EFIS-D10 in IMC in my RV-7. It is my primary attitude
> indication -- I have no gyros. I don't necessarily endorse or recommend
> this, but I'm personally comfortable with it. I have conventional
> airspeed/altimeter/VSI gauges, and a TruTrak Pictorial Pilot rounds out
the
> scan and redundancy. I would *not* consider flying in IMC with *any* EFIS
> without conventional airspeed & altimeter gauges at a minimum.
>
> My EFIS-D10 had some quirks early on (i.e. "the leans") but Dynon
responded
> quickly with software updates which fixed it. The unit has been rock
solid.
>
> I have 524 hours on my EFIS-D10. Only 15.3 of that is instrument time (24
> approaches). So it's not like I'm doing a ton of hard IFR or anything.
>
> I'm personally comfortable using the EFIS-D10 in lieu of gyroscopic
> instruments. At this point I trust it more than I would trust mechanical
> gyros. But again, I would not rely solely on it -- I personally require
> conventional backup instruments for IFR.
>
> Your mileage may vary...be careful out there.
>
> )_( Dan
> RV-7 N714D
> http://www.rvproject.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sherri & Paul Richardson" <prichar@mail.win.org>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Dynon
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Sherri & Paul Richardson"
> <prichar@mail.win.org>
> >
> > Hello All,
> > Has anyone used the Dynon for IFR? I'm thinking of using one as backup
> attitude indicator, but I'd like some input into quirks, strengths, etc,
for
> IFR flight.
> > Thanks,
> > Paul Richardson
> > RV-6A (bought) 490 hours
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Low oil pressure event |
--> RV-List message posted by: Brian Alley <n320wt@yahoo.com>
Another thing to consider is that this happens only
in flight, at idle. What happens is the end play of
the crank and drag on the prop is forcing the crank
aft in the bearings. Contact Lycoming tech support
about crank bearing/crankshaft match issues.
BRIAN ALLEY (N320WT)
CARBON FIBER COMPOSITES
101 Caroline Circle
Hurricane, WV 25526
304-562-6800 home
How are you going to win by a nose if you don't stick out your neck?
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--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
On 24 Jun 2005, at 8:02, LarryRobertHelming wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming"
> <lhelming@sigecom.net>
>
> I have only 36 hours flying to date. But the other day while just
> flying
> along in the clear with somewhat calm winds/updrafts/downdrafts I just
> glanced at the Dynon and saw it displayed something briefly to the
> effect
> that altitude reporting was being discontinued. My standard (old
> iron)
> altitude backup display still showed what I consider to be the correct
> altitude and my Garmin 327 with a Sandia encoder still showed what I
> consider to be a correct altitude. I have also noticed
> occasionally the
> attitude display of the Dynon will show a slight bank momentarily
> when none
> is there. I cannot recommend anyone rely solely on the Dynon for IFR
> flight.
>
> Indiana Larry, RV7 Tip Up It Flies
>
>
Just curious - do you have the D-10, or the D-10A? What software
version do you have?
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel vapors in cockpitFuel vapors in cockpit |
--> RV-List message posted by: "elsa-henry" <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com>
I wouldn't use a toy baloon as an indicator of a slow leak in your fuel tank under
test! All toy baloons have inherent leaks through the porosity of the rubber
and will deflate over time. I used a latex surgical glove wrapped and taped
to the test vent tube. I Inflated it to twice the size of my wrist...Left it
on for week and remained the same (on both tanks)
Cheers! Henry Hore. 6-A, C-GELS
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| Subject: | Fuel vapors in cockpitFuel vapors in cockpit |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
Why not just use the manometer method with the Van's test kit to close off
the fuel valve? It works great. A little soapy water and voila! If there's a
leak you'll know about it in a couple of seconds.
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| Subject: | 7/7A Builder's Get-together |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
Here's the particulars -- as we currently have them -- for the 7/7A
Builder's get-together at Osh.
http://home.comcast.net/~bcollinsrv7a/eaa/index.htm
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| Subject: | First Flight N863JJ |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" <crowbotham@hotmail.com>
John,
CONGRATULATIONS and WELL DONE !!
Chuck & Dave Rowbotham
RV-8A
>From: "John Mcmahon" <rv6@earthlink.net>
>Subject: RV-List: First Flight N863JJ
>Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 07:49:19 -0500
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "John Mcmahon" <rv6@earthlink.net>
>
>First flight of Kit #22411 RV6 at Portland,Tn (1M5) on the 22nd at 0732..
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| Subject: | Tapping holes in the canopy frame |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mark Schrimmer <mschrimmer@pacbell.net>
The instructions say to tap the sliding canopy frame and roll bar with a
6-32 tap. The instructions say to drill with a #35 bit and the plans say to
use a #36. Which is correct? Also, I see there are several different types
of taps available--plug, taper and bottoming taps, with left and right-hand
threads. What kind is best for the canopy frame?
Last, but not least, is a 5/32" hole in the plexi adequate for expansion, or
are some of you drilling the holes larger?
Thank you,
Mark
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| Subject: | Re: Tapping holes in the canopy frame |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" <flyrv6@bryantechnology.com>
Mark,
I don't remember what size drill I used, but after breaking 3 taps off in
the holes, I gave up and glued it on. Looks better, was easier, and no
worries about cracking the canopy. Just my opinion.
Tim
RV-6
-------Original Message-------
From: Mark Schrimmer
Subject: RV-List: Tapping holes in the canopy frame
--> RV-List message posted by: Mark Schrimmer <mschrimmer@pacbell.net>
The instructions say to tap the sliding canopy frame and roll bar with a
6-32 tap. The instructions say to drill with a #35 bit and the plans say to
use a #36. Which is correct? Also, I see there are several different types
of taps available--plug, taper and bottoming taps, with left and right-hand
threads. What kind is best for the canopy frame?
Last, but not least, is a 5/32" hole in the plexi adequate for expansion, or
are some of you drilling the holes larger?
Thank you,
Mark
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| Subject: | Re: Tapping holes in the canopy frame |
--> RV-List message posted by: Phil Birkelbach <phil@petrasoft.net>
#36 drill. You want a right hand through (plug) tap. These would be the
most readily available taps.
Lubricate the cut with some cutting fluid, keep the tap as parallel with
the hole as possible and blow the shavings off of the tap before you
back it out and you will have some great threads.
Godspeed,
Phil Birkelbach - Houston Texas
RV-7 N727WB - Finishing Up
http://www.myrv7.com
Mark Schrimmer wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Mark Schrimmer <mschrimmer@pacbell.net>
>
>The instructions say to tap the sliding canopy frame and roll bar with a
>6-32 tap. The instructions say to drill with a #35 bit and the plans say to
>use a #36. Which is correct? Also, I see there are several different types
>of taps available--plug, taper and bottoming taps, with left and right-hand
>threads. What kind is best for the canopy frame?
>
>Last, but not least, is a 5/32" hole in the plexi adequate for expansion, or
>are some of you drilling the holes larger?
>
>Thank you,
>
>Mark
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tapping holes in the canopy frame |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
The machinist here at work hates #6 screws because the tap breaks much
easier than any other size. Also make sure to use a good taping fluid, it
makes a BIG difference.
At 10:40 AM 6/24/2005 -0700, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" <flyrv6@bryantechnology.com>
>
>Mark,
>
>I don't remember what size drill I used, but after breaking 3 taps off in
>the holes, I gave up and glued it on. Looks better, was easier, and no
>worries about cracking the canopy. Just my opinion.
>
>Tim
>RV-6
>
>-------Original Message-------
>
>From: Mark Schrimmer
>Date: 06/24/05 09:37:41
>To: rv-list-matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: Tapping holes in the canopy frame
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Mark Schrimmer <mschrimmer@pacbell.net>
>
>The instructions say to tap the sliding canopy frame and roll bar with a
>6-32 tap. The instructions say to drill with a #35 bit and the plans say to
>use a #36. Which is correct? Also, I see there are several different types
>of taps available--plug, taper and bottoming taps, with left and right-hand
>threads. What kind is best for the canopy frame?
>
>Last, but not least, is a 5/32" hole in the plexi adequate for expansion, or
>are some of you drilling the holes larger?
>
>Thank you,
>
>Mark
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: Tapping holes in the canopy frame |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
Some folks here have used Rivnuts. This allows a screw with just
enough pressure to hold but not too much. Can also makes the holes a bit
larger for expansion.
Consider if this makes sense and works for you.
Ron Lee
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: [FlyRotary] Re: Brake Line Incident Photos |
--> RV-List message posted by: "David Carter" <dcarter@datarecall.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: Ed Anderson
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Brake Line Incident Photos
Yes, John - luck and a quick acting nephew {:>). The only answer I can come up
with is that the aluminum line suffered a fatigue fracture which weakened the
tube and the hydraulic pressure finally blew out the chunk. The line has a loop
to provide flexing as the caliper moves in and out - but, flexing aluminum
is not know for a long life. In all fairness, there are many RVs flying with
this configuration - so the break might be attributed to my installation (stressing
the line when I put the loop in it), material weakness, some damage I did
not notice, etc. Had over 300 landings before the failure.
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: John Slade
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 9:09 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Brake Line Incident Photos
Wow, Ed!
You're luck the airplane wasn't consumed.
My question - how did that big chunk get blown out of the brake line?
Regards,
John
-----Original Message-----
From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]On Behalf Of Ed Anderson
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 8:58 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Brake Line Incident Photos
For those interested (and may not have seen them) , here are a few photos of
my brake line fire incident.
Big chunk got blown out of brake line as can be seen from Brakelines.jpg
photo. Effect of resin burning seen on wheel pant photos. Once the line broke,
the next time I depressed the brake pedal, a fireball from the wheel to over
the wing resulted from spraying the hydraulic fluid over the hot brake assembly.
The flash point of the fluid is only 240F! I am going to investigate some
stuff with a bit higher flash point {:>)
Ed
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson@carolina.rr.com
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| Subject: | Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Brake Line Incident Photos |
--> RV-List message posted by: "David Carter" <dcarter@datarecall.net>
Hi, Ed. "Hindsight" my hind foot! Us aviators are ALWAYS "looking forward" .
. . to preventing further occurances of preventable accidents (Air Force safety
jargon?).
Sincerely, you are "breaking new ground" in the area of brakes. (no double pun
intended on breaking a brake line?) I've always known I'd never use plastic
brake line (many have, and have melted them and lost brakes during/after high
speed taxi practice or hard braking on landing).
You have just drawn a perfect conclusion from yet another "brink of disaster but
saved by the grace of God" event (God MUST love you greatly!!): Aluminum does
have crummy fatigue life. So maybe I'll get some automotive steel brake line
to fit or adapt to my Cleveland aircraft brakes.
David
----- Original Message -----
From: Ed Anderson
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Brake Line Incident Photos
David, it was aluminum tubing which is what's called for on the RV-6A brake system.
However, in hindsight - thinking about the low fatigue life of flexing aluminum,
I think there are better choices.
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: David Carter
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 9:04 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Brake Line Incident Photos
Ed, what kind of brake line was that?
David
----- Original Message -----
From: Ed Anderson
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 7:58 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Brake Line Incident Photos
For those interested (and may not have seen them) , here are a few photos of
my brake line fire incident.
Big chunk got blown out of brake line as can be seen from Brakelines.jpg photo.
Effect of resin burning seen on wheel pant photos. Once the line broke,
the next time I depressed the brake pedal, a fireball from the wheel to over
the wing resulted from spraying the hydraulic fluid over the hot brake assembly.
The flash point of the fluid is only 240F! I am going to investigate some
stuff with a bit higher flash point {:>)
Ed
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson@carolina.rr.com
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: [FlyRotary] Re: Brake Line Incident Photos |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@comcast.net>
David Carter wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "David Carter" <dcarter@datarecall.net>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Ed Anderson
>To: Rotary motors in aircraft
>Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Brake Line Incident Photos
>
>
>Yes, John - luck and a quick acting nephew {:>). The only answer I can come up
with is that the aluminum line suffered a fatigue fracture which weakened the
tube and the hydraulic pressure finally blew out the chunk. The line has a
loop to provide flexing as the caliper moves in and out - but, flexing aluminum
is not know for a long life. In all fairness, there are many RVs flying with
this configuration - so the break might be attributed to my installation (stressing
the line when I put the loop in it), material weakness, some damage I
did not notice, etc. Had over 300 landings before the failure.
>
>Ed
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Slade
> To: Rotary motors in aircraft
> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 9:09 AM
> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Brake Line Incident Photos
>
>
> Wow, Ed!
> You're luck the airplane wasn't consumed.
> My question - how did that big chunk get blown out of the brake line?
> Regards,
> John
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]On Behalf Of Ed Anderson
> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 8:58 AM
> To: Rotary motors in aircraft
> Subject: [FlyRotary] Brake Line Incident Photos
>
>
> For those interested (and may not have seen them) , here are a few photos
of my brake line fire incident.
>
> Big chunk got blown out of brake line as can be seen from Brakelines.jpg
photo. Effect of resin burning seen on wheel pant photos. Once the line broke,
the next time I depressed the brake pedal, a fireball from the wheel to over
the wing resulted from spraying the hydraulic fluid over the hot brake assembly.
The flash point of the fluid is only 240F! I am going to investigate some
stuff with a bit higher flash point {:>)
>
>
> Ed
>
> Ed Anderson
> Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
> Matthews, NC
> eanderson@carolina.rr.com
>
>
>
>
Do you have a wb site were the photos are? I don't see a link to them,
maybe I just missed it.
As you know attached photos will be stripped form the RV-List. I would
like to see them as
I have been using aluminum brakes lines for 16 year on my RV-6.
Jerry
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: [FlyRotary] Re: Brake Line Incident Photos |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
>>
>>
> Do you have a wb site were the photos are? I don't see a link to them,
> maybe I just missed it.
> As you know attached photos will be stripped form the RV-List. I would
> like to see them as
> I have been using aluminum brakes lines for 16 year on my RV-6.
>
> Jerry
> do not archive
>
>
Hi Jerry, I sent the photos along with a description of the incident to
the Matronic Photo list. I am told it may take several days before the
photos are posted and a notification sent to the RV list. If its not there
by Monday, I will try again.
Not trying to say that the design is bad, could have been my installation,
unnoticed damage to the line or even a material defect. I am aware there
are several hundred RVs flying with aluminum brake lines. However, I've
also discovered that I am not the only one to have the aluminum brake line
fail on an RV. So just wanted to past on the incident I experienced to
others on the list.
Ed A
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: [FlyRotary] Re: Brake Line Incident Photos |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
A short length of flexible, high pressure line would go far in
preventing fatigue failures of the aluminum line. I'll probably do that
on my -10. Hadn't thought about 'till now. Thanks for the heads up
guys (and gals)!
Linn
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David Carter wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "David Carter" <dcarter@datarecall.net>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Ed Anderson
>To: Rotary motors in aircraft
>Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Brake Line Incident Photos
>
>
>Yes, John - luck and a quick acting nephew {:>). The only answer I can come up
with is that the aluminum line suffered a fatigue fracture which weakened the
tube and the hydraulic pressure finally blew out the chunk. The line has a
loop to provide flexing as the caliper moves in and out - but, flexing aluminum
is not know for a long life. In all fairness, there are many RVs flying with
this configuration - so the break might be attributed to my installation (stressing
the line when I put the loop in it), material weakness, some damage I
did not notice, etc. Had over 300 landings before the failure.
>
>Ed
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Slade
> To: Rotary motors in aircraft
> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 9:09 AM
> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Brake Line Incident Photos
>
>
> Wow, Ed!
> You're luck the airplane wasn't consumed.
> My question - how did that big chunk get blown out of the brake line?
> Regards,
> John
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]On Behalf Of Ed Anderson
> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 8:58 AM
> To: Rotary motors in aircraft
> Subject: [FlyRotary] Brake Line Incident Photos
>
>
> For those interested (and may not have seen them) , here are a few photos
of my brake line fire incident.
>
> Big chunk got blown out of brake line as can be seen from Brakelines.jpg
photo. Effect of resin burning seen on wheel pant photos. Once the line broke,
the next time I depressed the brake pedal, a fireball from the wheel to over
the wing resulted from spraying the hydraulic fluid over the hot brake assembly.
The flash point of the fluid is only 240F! I am going to investigate some
stuff with a bit higher flash point {:>)
>
>
> Ed
>
> Ed Anderson
> Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
> Matthews, NC
> eanderson@carolina.rr.com
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Just names and no faces |
--> RV-List message posted by: "dick martin" <martin@gbonline.com>
Dear Stan,
Many of us camp out at OSH, not necessarily out of necessity, but mostly
because of the comadarie that is available in the camp areas. It is usually
difficult for flyin visitors to get to places in town. However, there are
many possibilites for get togethers in the camping areas. It is possible
to rent campers etc for the flyin. The OSH vendors are usually booked,
however, others are available. If interested, I can provide some names etc.
Do not wait until the last minute, because all rentals will be taken.
Now , to your original proposal, I would like to see a get together in the
camp areas because of the convenience. Do not ask EAA about refreshments
( alcohol, beer etc) as they will advise you NO. The real world is that non
roudy parties etc. are usually ignored. If I can be of assistance, please
advise.
Dick Martin
RV8 N233M
the fast one
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stan Jones" <stan.jones@xtra.co.nz>
Subject: RV-List: Just names and no faces
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Stan Jones" <stan.jones@xtra.co.nz>
>
> It is only about a month til OshKosh, and I know a lot of you will be
> there.
> I have been on this list for about three years, and have read all the
> words,
> and
> digested the opinions. I will be there for the third time, all the way
> from
> New Zealand,
> and I would realy enjoy putting a face to all the names
> Would it not be a good idea to have a bit of a get together, to have a
> drink
> perhaps
> something to eat, and tell a lot of lies.
> Perhaps someone with a bit of local knowledge could take this up, and
> suggest a venue.
> There are lots of eating places to consider, or we could even stoop to
> Kelly
> s Bar.
> Is there any enthusiasm for this idea ?
> Stan Jones
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Just names and no faces |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <paul@kitlog.com>
Two years ago we flew into Milwaukee, and rented a camper from Cruise
America. We had the reservation for probably 6 months, though. This year
we were lucky enough to find a place in town through a friend. We'll be
driving in each day.
Paul Besing
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of dick martin
Subject: Re: RV-List: Just names and no faces
--> RV-List message posted by: "dick martin" <martin@gbonline.com>
Dear Stan,
Many of us camp out at OSH, not necessarily out of necessity, but mostly
because of the comadarie that is available in the camp areas. It is usually
difficult for flyin visitors to get to places in town. However, there are
many possibilites for get togethers in the camping areas. It is possible
to rent campers etc for the flyin. The OSH vendors are usually booked,
however, others are available. If interested, I can provide some names etc.
Do not wait until the last minute, because all rentals will be taken.
Now , to your original proposal, I would like to see a get together in the
camp areas because of the convenience. Do not ask EAA about refreshments
( alcohol, beer etc) as they will advise you NO. The real world is that non
roudy parties etc. are usually ignored. If I can be of assistance, please
advise.
Dick Martin
RV8 N233M
the fast one
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stan Jones" <stan.jones@xtra.co.nz>
Subject: RV-List: Just names and no faces
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Stan Jones" <stan.jones@xtra.co.nz>
>
> It is only about a month til OshKosh, and I know a lot of you will be
> there.
> I have been on this list for about three years, and have read all the
> words,
> and
> digested the opinions. I will be there for the third time, all the way
> from
> New Zealand,
> and I would realy enjoy putting a face to all the names
> Would it not be a good idea to have a bit of a get together, to have a
> drink
> perhaps
> something to eat, and tell a lot of lies.
> Perhaps someone with a bit of local knowledge could take this up, and
> suggest a venue.
> There are lots of eating places to consider, or we could even stoop to
> Kelly
> s Bar.
> Is there any enthusiasm for this idea ?
> Stan Jones
>
>
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| Subject: | First Flight N863JJ |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Perkinson" <bobperk@bellsouth.net>
I sure would have liked to have been there John. Does the other Bob Know?
If he didn't he does now. Congratulations on a job done to perfection.
what are you going to do at nights now, and how is the dog going to ride
along with you. Way to go John!
Bob Perkinson
Hendersonville, TN.
RV9A N658RP Reserved
If nothing changes
Nothing changes
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Mcmahon
Tom Eyssen; Dave Hudgins; Janet; CHUCK JENKJINS; KECoats@aol.com; BILL
LOGUE; Mancini; Joe Mckervey; JOHN MILLER; ALLEN MOLLEYHORN; Piper,
Gary; rv6-list@matronics.com; EDD (2003) TECK; TOBY; Tommy Walker;
Winans, Dave W; JOHN WOODALL
Subject: RV-List: First Flight N863JJ
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Mcmahon" <rv6@earthlink.net>
First flight of Kit #22411 RV6 at Portland,Tn (1M5) on the 22nd at
0732..This was a 13 year project,the old
slow kit ..Thanks to the RV list,Gary V, and Sam B's Web site..I used the
EAA first flight guide lines,which
is a must do if you can...Flight time was only 20 min,but SWEET...Mistakes
that I made!!!
1Check everything 3 times in the Eng,oil line,gas lines,etc...
2Hart C/S got ahead of me when it un/loaded on take off(2780) WHEW
After take off,stayed in the pattern and trim out and say to myself
(WOW)...did I do this..(JAMES 1:17)
Then things started to change after about 18 min,the VM1000 oil pressure
gauge which was 80#
was showing a TREND down,76,1 min later 71,65,60,53, radio to ground crew
coming down ,landed
3 point ,and when it slowed down in the roll out I see smoke but I still
have oil pressure 38#
shut it down in front of the hanger and this plane looks like a Red chili
pepper dipped it olive oil!!
Lift top Cowl ,open top of plenum cover and the flange to the prop gov line
loose....This has never
leaked at any point doing run ups etc(check every line 3 times with a
wrench)I had put 7 qts in just
in case!!It dumped 3 Qts pretty sudden..
I have made the prop hub adj fine pitch ..put in the 3 qts and ready to go
up again ....Oh well
thats why they call it first test flight!!!
The what I have so far info..
Eng is 0360 A1A Aero sport Lightspeed right side
Empty weight1142
Inst PanelLaird Owens
Seats and uplDJ
Harts C/S
GraphicsFreedom Graphics
Paint GuyMe
Primer sealer Epoxy Dupont 2510s
PPG DBU base coat Torch Red (Vette Red)
PPG clear 2021
Some Pic
http://www.3gunmatch.com/rv6/rv6.htm
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| Subject: | Re: Just names and no faces |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stan Jones" <stan.jones@xtra.co.nz>
Hi Dick,
I see your point. I will probably go to Bob Collins do, that's if I can find
the way
and then find my way back to the Uni in town
Stan Jones
-------Original Message-------
From: dick martin
Subject: Re: RV-List: Just names and no faces
--> RV-List message posted by: "dick martin" <martin@gbonline.com>
Dear Stan,
Many of us camp out at OSH, not necessarily out of necessity, but mostly
because of the comadarie that is available in the camp areas. It is usually
difficult for flyin visitors to get to places in town. However, there are
many possibilites for get togethers in the camping areas. It is possible
to rent campers etc for the flyin. The OSH vendors are usually booked,
however, others are available. If interested, I can provide some names etc.
Do not wait until the last minute, because all rentals will be taken.
Now , to your original proposal, I would like to see a get together in the
camp areas because of the convenience. Do not ask EAA about refreshments
( alcohol, beer etc) as they will advise you NO. The real world is that non
roudy parties etc. are usually ignored. If I can be of assistance, please
advise.
Dick Martin
RV8 N233M
the fast one
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stan Jones" <stan.jones@xtra.co.nz>
Subject: RV-List: Just names and no faces
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Stan Jones" <stan.jones@xtra.co.nz>
>
> It is only about a month til OshKosh, and I know a lot of you will be
> there.
> I have been on this list for about three years, and have read all the
> words,
> and
> digested the opinions. I will be there for the third time, all the way
> from
> New Zealand,
> and I would realy enjoy putting a face to all the names
> Would it not be a good idea to have a bit of a get together, to have a
> drink
> perhaps
> something to eat, and tell a lot of lies.
> Perhaps someone with a bit of local knowledge could take this up, and
> suggest a venue.
> There are lots of eating places to consider, or we could even stoop to
> Kelly
> s Bar.
> Is there any enthusiasm for this idea ?
> Stan Jones
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tapping holes in the canopy frame |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
> Some folks here have used Rivnuts. This allows a screw with just
> enough pressure to hold but not too much. Can also makes the holes a bit
> larger for expansion.
>
> Consider if this makes sense and works for you.
One of the problems I had with rivnuts in general is that
you have to drill a pretty large hole to put them in. There
is not a lot of room on the canopy frame tubes. I'm going
with glue for my canopy and skirts. The canopy is done,
and I'm real happy with the results. Skirts are next.
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 Canopy
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