---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 06/26/05: 25 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:11 AM - Brake line incident (Emrath) 2. 06:25 AM - Re: Re: AN470AD4 "oops" (Charlie Kuss) 3. 07:09 AM - Re: Brake line incident. (Brian Denk) 4. 07:23 AM - Re: Low oil pressure event (Dan Checkoway) 5. 07:47 AM - Re: Brake line incident. (Mickey Coggins) 6. 08:08 AM - Re: Intercoms (Doug Rozendaal) 7. 08:13 AM - Re: Brake line incident. (Doug Rozendaal) 8. 11:19 AM - Re: Brake line incident. (Randy Lervold) 9. 11:53 AM - Montague Bike(s) in an RV-6 (Gregg Costabile) 10. 12:16 PM - Re: Compass Swinging (Jerry Spear) 11. 12:26 PM - Re: Compass Swinging (Jerry Spear) 12. 01:02 PM - Re: Intercoms (Doug Weiler) 13. 01:35 PM - Ground Power Runs for FAA Compliance? (Greg Grigson) 14. 03:01 PM - Re: Montague Bike(s) in an RV-6 (Ed Holyoke) 15. 03:06 PM - Re: Ground Power Runs for FAA Compliance? (Ed Holyoke) 16. 03:14 PM - Re: Ground Power Runs for FAA Compliance? (Jerry Springer) 17. 04:43 PM - Cost of Windshield/Window Replacement? (Cory Emberson) 18. 05:37 PM - Re: Cost of Windshield/Window Replacement? (David Leonard) 19. 05:58 PM - brake rattle (Knicholas2@aol.com) 20. 06:00 PM - Re: Cost of Windshield/Window Replacement? (Cory Emberson) 21. 07:17 PM - Re: brake rattle (Bobby Hester) 22. 08:04 PM - Waco, Texas; off topic (Kosta Lewis) 23. 08:07 PM - Re: Fuel vapors in cockpit (Alex Peterson) 24. 08:44 PM - Re: Cost of Windshield/Window Replacement? (Paul Besing) 25. 09:39 PM - Re: Compass Swinging () ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:11:21 AM PST US From: "Emrath" Subject: RV-List: Brake line incident --> RV-List message posted by: "Emrath" Dan and others: If one does this, are you still making the "spiral" into the caliper or just heading straight down the leg and into the caliper, a-la Cessna 152? Marty in Brentwood TN RV-6A Engine plumbing and wiring Time: 11:43:38 PM PST US From: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" Subject: RV-List: Brake line incident. --> RV-List message posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" --> I just had a discussion about this very thing with Mike Burlingham who's RV-6A has been flying for about 6 years now. He had some fatigue cracking on one side due to the line flexing and fixed it rather quickly and inexpensively as follows: 1) Go to your local autoparts store and pick up two flexible lines made for grease guns. These hoses are good for 3000 PSI and have male pipe thread fittings on each end. 2) Procure two elbows for the caliper end, one end of the elbow has female threads to connect with the grease gun hose and the other end has male threads that mate with the brake caliper. Checking Wicks catalog it looks like an AN914-2D fitting would work for this, check the grease gun end fittings for size before you order though (I haven't done this yet so I haven't checked to see exactly what the grease gun hose fittings are size wise). Mike mentioned something about the grease gun hose fittings being 1/8 inch so you might need a 1/4 to 1/8 reducer like an AN912-1D to put in the elbow that the grease gun hose fits into. 3) The last thing you need is a male flare fitting (aluminum tube end) to female pipe thread adapter (that the grease gun hose fits into). Wicks part number 2405-4-2 looks like it would work for this (if Mikes comment on the grease gun hose fittings being 1/8 inch are correct). So.....what he has done is bring the aluminum tube down the gear leg close to the bottom end....into the flared aluminum tube fitting-to-pipe fitting adapter for the grease gun hose... grease gun hose bridges the gap to the caliper and goes into an adapter fitting to the caliper. He didn't elaborate on how he fastened the aluminum tube and adapter to the gear leg (and I couldn't tell from looking cause he had his wheelpants installed when I saw the airplane) but I thought a hose clamp or something similar maybe. Mike has done one side of his airplane and had good luck with it so he plans to convert the other. I think I'll give it a try too, the fatiguing aluminum tube doesn't sound like something I want on my plane. Dean Psiropoulos RV-6A N197DM Finishing and Finishing and....Finishing!!!! ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:25:24 AM PST US From: Charlie Kuss Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: AN470AD4 "oops" --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss Alan, I've been the recipient of a large collection of rivets, thanks to RV4 owner/builder Jody Edwards. I have a supply of AD470 & AD426 rivets in the # 5 size. Email me off list with what you need. I can mail a small supply of them to you. ACS has them listed on the web link below if you want to have a supply of them. You can order a quantity as small as 1/8 of a pound. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/solidalumrivets.php Charlie Kuss >--> RV-List message posted by: alan@reichertech.com > > >Charlie, > >The -5 would work, but I have not been able to find a source for them. >The -5s I've found are flush head, all others jump from 4 to 6. Do you >have a source for these? > >Another fellow suggested fattening up a longer rivet, but the holes ended >up enlarged to a point that I'm not comfortable with this method. I >apparently was a bit hamfisted with the rivet removal tool and elongated >the holes slightly, so they will have to be redrilled to the next size up. > I believe 5s will work if I can get them. > >- Alan > > >Subject: Re: AN470AD4 "oops" >From: Charlie Kuss (chaztuna@adelphia.net) >Date: Sat Jun 25 - 3:13 PM > >--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss > >Alan, > Are your holes to large to use AD470-5 (5/32" dia) rivets? I would try >using the -5 rivets if possible. Using a -6 rivet will leave you with less >than 2 D hole to edge distance on the rib flange. >Charlie Kuss > > > >--> RV-List message posted by: alan@reichertech.com > > > > > >Working on the VS skeleton for my -8, I managed to end up with an > >air gap between the main spar and top rib. Drilling out the two > >rivets (AN470AD4-4) resulted in holes that are a bit larger than > >an AD4 rivet. Is it acceptable to redrill these two holes and use > >AD6 rivets? > > > >-- > >Alan Reichert > >Priv, Inst, SEL > >RV-8 N927AR (reserved) > >Prepping Horizontal/Vertical Stabilizers for Assembly > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:09:27 AM PST US From: "Brian Denk" Subject: RE: RV-List: Brake line incident. --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" > >I just had a discussion about this very thing with Mike Burlingham who's >RV-6A has been flying for about 6 years now. He had some fatigue cracking >on one side due to the line flexing and fixed it rather quickly and >inexpensively as follows: > >1) Go to your local autoparts store and pick up two flexible lines made for >grease guns. These hoses are good for 3000 PSI and have male pipe thread >fittings on each end. > I found them at Grainger: http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/searchresults.jsp?search_type=keyword&QueryString=grease+gun+hose&catindx1=Hoses%2C&catindx2=Grease+Gun&xi=xi Looks like a great idea! I might have to do this for my next annual. Brian Denk RV8 N94BD RV10 '51 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:23:14 AM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: Low oil pressure event --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" > --> RV-List message posted by: sarg314 > > I was not aware there is an oil pressure relief valve. Where is it? Top of the case, right side, behind cylinder #3. It's that thing sticking out toward the right side. If it has a nut on the end of a threaded shaft, it's adjustable. Otherwise it's the stacked washer style. Grab a Lycoming parts catalog...it shows exploded views (and has part #s) for all this stuff. )_( Dan RV-7 N714D http://www.rvproject.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:47:33 AM PST US From: Mickey Coggins Subject: Re: RV-List: Brake line incident. --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins >>1) Go to your local autoparts store and pick up two flexible lines made for >>grease guns. These hoses are good for 3000 PSI and have male pipe thread >>fittings on each end. >> > I found them at Grainger: > > http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/searchresults.jsp?search_type=keyword&QueryString=grease+gun+hose&catindx1=Hoses%2C&catindx2=Grease+Gun&xi=xi > > Looks like a great idea! I might have to do this for my next annual. > This is a good idea. I've got the Grove gear on my 8, and the brake "line" comes out at the very bottom of the leg. This does not leave much room for a flexible hose. Has anyone found a solution for this? I've got some pictures here to help clarify what I'm talking about: http://www.rv8.ch/article.php?story=20050314214854320 I guess grease gun hose would be flexible enough to wrap around there. Thanks, Mickey -- Mickey Coggins http://www.rv8.ch/ #82007 Canopy ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:08:09 AM PST US From: "Doug Rozendaal" Subject: Re: RV-List: Intercoms --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" Doug, Before you buy a new ICS, try tweaking the internal mic level settings. Most intercom problems are a result of setting these levels on pots that are accessable thru screw holes on the side or front panel on your intercom. The Mic gain in a high noise airplane needs to be much lower than standard. If that level is set too high, the intercom will blast you out on the ICS. Also, if the mic's are putting out at different levels this can cause problems. DC electret mics do not have adjustable gain, but some mics do have adjustable gain and you can turn them down for hi-noise cockpits. The Telex mics are terrible in high noise airplanes. The new Telex Stratus is supposed to be better. The Best mic for a hi-noise airplane is the old DC M-4. The new M-7 mic is OK, but it puts out more noise so it would pick up softer voices in quiet cockpits. Nothing beats the Old David Clark 10-40 with a Headsets Inc conversion. Tailwinds, Doug Rozendaal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Weiler" Subject: RV-List: Intercoms > --> RV-List message posted by: Doug Weiler > > > Greetings all: > > My RV-4 currently has a Sigtronics SP-400N intercom installed. It > supposedly is designed for high noise environments but I don't think it is > as effective as some other intercoms I have flown with. I am using DC ENC > headsets and my comm. transmission are reported loud and clear so I feel the > microphone is not the problem. > > I have been impressed with the PS Engineering ICs in other RV aircraft. > They have a high noise version (PM1200). Does anyone have any other > experience with PS Intercoms? I am thinking about switching. > > Thanks > > Doug Weiler > N722DW, RV-4 > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:13:48 AM PST US From: "Doug Rozendaal" Subject: Re: RV-List: Brake line incident. --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" Grease gun hoses are typically 12" or 18" and have 1/8 in male NPT fittings. Becareful however, there are starting to be more import grease guns that have metric threads on them. Tailwinds, Doug Rozendaal ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:19:29 AM PST US From: "Randy Lervold" Subject: Re: RV-List: Brake line incident. --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" > >I just had a discussion about this very thing with Mike Burlingham who's > >RV-6A has been flying for about 6 years now. He had some fatigue cracking > >on one side due to the line flexing and fixed it rather quickly and > >inexpensively as follows: > > > >1) Go to your local autoparts store and pick up two flexible lines made for > >grease guns. These hoses are good for 3000 PSI and have male pipe thread > >fittings on each end. > > > > I found them at Grainger: > > http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/searchresults.jsp?search_type=keyword&QueryString=grease+gun+hose&catindx1=Hoses%2C&catindx2=Grease+Gun&xi=xi > > Looks like a great idea! I might have to do this for my next annual. > > Brian Denk > RV8 N94BD > RV10 '51 This does look like a good idea, but wouldn't you have to replace them in five years since they are rubber? I think I'll use this technique, but make the foot long lower ends from teflon/stainless material that is lifetime. Undoubtedly more expensive, but worth it if you never have to mess with them again. Randy Lervold www.rv-3.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:53:08 AM PST US From: "Gregg Costabile" Subject: RV-List: Montague Bike(s) in an RV-6 --> RV-List message posted by: "Gregg Costabile" Anybody ever try to fit a Montague bicycle in the back of an RV-6? Were you successful? Room for two bikes? Appreciate any help. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:16:09 PM PST US From: "Jerry Spear" Subject: Re: RV-List: Compass Swinging --> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Spear" Left is N-S, Right is E-W. Jerry Spear N718TS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vincent Welch" Subject: RV-List: Compass Swinging > --> RV-List message posted by: "Vincent Welch" > > Gentlemen, > > I have a Precision vertical compass card. I need to swing my compass and > have misplaced the documents that came with the compass. There are two > adjustments at the bottom, one for N-S and the other for E-W. Can anyone > tell me which is which? > > > Vince > > > -- > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:26:21 PM PST US From: "Jerry Spear" Subject: Re: RV-List: Compass Swinging --> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Spear" Oh, yeah forgot something..........Factory said not to turn the adjustments more than 180 degrees or it will strip the threads ! Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Spear" Subject: Re: RV-List: Compass Swinging > Left is N-S, Right is E-W. > > Jerry Spear > N718TS > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Vincent Welch" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 12:26 AM > Subject: RV-List: Compass Swinging > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Vincent Welch" > > > > Gentlemen, > > > > I have a Precision vertical compass card. I need to swing my compass and > > have misplaced the documents that came with the compass. There are two > > adjustments at the bottom, one for N-S and the other for E-W. Can anyone > > tell me which is which? > > > > > > Vince > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:02:54 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Intercoms From: Doug Weiler --> RV-List message posted by: Doug Weiler HI Doug: Yes, you are right.. My DC headsets do not have a mic gain control. When I initially fly my airplane, the GX-65 did not transmit clearly. I cranked the mic gain down through the GX setup page and now all transmissions are crystal clear. Actually the IC is not all that bad. Its just that whenever I get into another airplane that uses the Garmin audio panel or PS Engineering Ics, I am really impressed. Thanks for all the tips! Doug On 6/26/05 10:06 AM, "Doug Rozendaal" wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Rozendaal" > > Doug, > > Before you buy a new ICS, try tweaking the internal mic level settings. > Most intercom problems are a result of setting these levels on pots that are > accessable thru screw holes on the side or front panel on your intercom. > The Mic gain in a high noise airplane needs to be much lower than standard. > If that level is set too high, the intercom will blast you out on the ICS. > Also, if the mic's are putting out at different levels this can cause > problems. DC electret mics do not have adjustable gain, but some mics do > have adjustable gain and you can turn them down for hi-noise cockpits. > > The Telex mics are terrible in high noise airplanes. The new Telex Stratus > is supposed to be better. > > The Best mic for a hi-noise airplane is the old DC M-4. The new M-7 mic is > OK, but it puts out more noise so it would pick up softer voices in quiet > cockpits. Nothing beats the Old David Clark 10-40 with a Headsets Inc > conversion. > > Tailwinds, > Doug Rozendaal > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug Weiler" > To: "RV List" > Subject: RV-List: Intercoms > > >> --> RV-List message posted by: Doug Weiler >> >> >> Greetings all: >> >> My RV-4 currently has a Sigtronics SP-400N intercom installed. It >> supposedly is designed for high noise environments but I don't think it is >> as effective as some other intercoms I have flown with. I am using DC ENC >> headsets and my comm. transmission are reported loud and clear so I feel > the >> microphone is not the problem. >> >> I have been impressed with the PS Engineering ICs in other RV aircraft. >> They have a high noise version (PM1200). Does anyone have any other >> experience with PS Intercoms? I am thinking about switching. >> >> Thanks >> >> Doug Weiler >> N722DW, RV-4 >> >> > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:35:02 PM PST US From: Greg Grigson Subject: RV-List: Ground Power Runs for FAA Compliance? --> RV-List message posted by: Greg Grigson What experiences and thoughts are out there concerning techniques used to perform an engine run in a "nose high above stall attitude to ensure full fuel flow full"? It sounds like it could be a little risky. I hope this doesn't mean a full power run. In the 6A is the tail tied down to...what? This is out of the EAA "Amateur-Built Aircraft Certification Inspection Guide" developed for ASIs and DARs. Is this a requirement that those already flying have done and documented? Thanks. Greg in Honolulu ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:01:11 PM PST US From: "Ed Holyoke" Subject: RE: RV-List: Montague Bike(s) in an RV-6 --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" Howdy, I had trouble getting a Dahon bike in an RV-6a tip-up. The issue was getting it past the seat back and under the roll over structure. I ended up removing the co-pilot's seat cushions and stick and strapping it there with the harness. A sliding canopy leaves a couple inches more clearance for getting in large stuff. On my RV-6 project, I'm doing the tip-up slider mod and a folding bike will be much easier to load. That being said, 2 bikes is likely to be a tough one, particularly Montagues. Look at the folded size claimed and see if you think 2 will make it. My guess is that it would be close, maybe too close. My wife is much smaller than myself so a Montague and a Dahon may be the way we'll end up. There are tandem folding bikes out there too, if you've got the money. On another note, I was checking out a guy's Mustang 2 the other day, and we should be happy we've got a nice size baggage compartment because they don't even. I don't see how you could get much more than a couple of soft sided briefcases in there much less a bike. Pax, Ed Holyoke -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gregg Costabile Subject: RV-List: Montague Bike(s) in an RV-6 --> RV-List message posted by: "Gregg Costabile" Anybody ever try to fit a Montague bicycle in the back of an RV-6? Were you successful? Room for two bikes? Appreciate any help. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:06:42 PM PST US From: "Ed Holyoke" Subject: RE: RV-List: Ground Power Runs for FAA Compliance? --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" Greg, Prop the airplane in a nose high attitude, disconnect the fuel line at the carb and time how long it takes to pump a pint or a quart into a container. Do the math for GPH. If I remember right, you want to see at least 1.5 times your max fuel burn. Pax, Ed Holyoke -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg Grigson Subject: RV-List: Ground Power Runs for FAA Compliance? --> RV-List message posted by: Greg Grigson What experiences and thoughts are out there concerning techniques used to perform an engine run in a "nose high above stall attitude to ensure full fuel flow full"? It sounds like it could be a little risky. I hope this doesn't mean a full power run. In the 6A is the tail tied down to...what? This is out of the EAA "Amateur-Built Aircraft Certification Inspection Guide" developed for ASIs and DARs. Is this a requirement that those already flying have done and documented? Thanks. Greg in Honolulu ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:14:47 PM PST US From: Jerry Springer Subject: Re: RV-List: Ground Power Runs for FAA Compliance? --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer Many first flight accidents are fuel related, I don't know if any DAR/FAA person will ask you if you have done it but it is a good idea to do so. What you use to get the nose high attitude is up to you. On my RV-6 I was able to use a loading ramp up to a loading dock that was close to my hangar. Greg Grigson wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Greg Grigson > >What experiences and thoughts are out there concerning >techniques used to perform an engine run in a "nose >high above stall attitude to ensure full fuel flow >full"? It sounds like it could be a little risky. I >hope this doesn't mean a full power run. In the 6A is >the tail tied down to...what? > >This is out of the EAA "Amateur-Built Aircraft >Certification Inspection Guide" developed for ASIs and >DARs. Is this a requirement that those already flying >have done and documented? > >Thanks. >Greg in Honolulu > > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:43:24 PM PST US From: "Cory Emberson" Subject: RV-List: Cost of Windshield/Window Replacement? --> RV-List message posted by: "Cory Emberson" Hello everyone, I just have a quick question, and would like to know the (approximate) cost of windscreen and window replacement in, say, an RV-6 or -7. (I'm drawing a comparison between the wisdom of keeping your Plexi clean and scratch-free, versus having to replace the windows after major scratch damage. Thanks so much, Cory ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:37:10 PM PST US From: David Leonard Subject: Re: RV-List: Cost of Windshield/Window Replacement? --> RV-List message posted by: David Leonard On 6/26/05, Cory Emberson wrote: > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Cory Emberson" > > Hello everyone, > > I just have a quick question, and would like to know the (approximate) > cost > of windscreen and window replacement in, say, an RV-6 or -7. (I'm drawing > a > comparison between the wisdom of keeping your Plexi clean and > scratch-free, > versus having to replace the windows after major scratch damage. > > Thanks so much, > Cory Cory, it is a BIG job to replace the canopy in the RV-6. My guess would be $500 and 1-2 months of part time work. Dont even think about it, avoid the scratches from the start. -- Dave Leonard Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/rotaryroster/index.html http://members.aol.com/vp4skydoc/index.html ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:58:41 PM PST US From: Knicholas2@aol.com Subject: RV-List: brake rattle --> RV-List message posted by: Knicholas2@aol.com THe brake calipers on my RV9A rattle. I took the wheel apart to diagnose and fix it but the caliper "floats' on the wheel bracket with no way to tighten it. Has anyone noticed this and is there a way to stop the noise? Kim Nicholas Seattle ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:00:28 PM PST US From: "Cory Emberson" Subject: RE: RV-List: Cost of Windshield/Window Replacement? --> RV-List message posted by: "Cory Emberson" Hi Dave, Nice to hear from you, and thanks for the information! I saw a photo of your plane (with the cool and very memorable N number) when I was researching another article. It seems penny foolish to not take care of the "eyes" of any plane, especially since cleaning it is so much cheaper than replacing damaged glass! thanks again, Cory -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of David Leonard Subject: Re: RV-List: Cost of Windshield/Window Replacement? --> RV-List message posted by: David Leonard On 6/26/05, Cory Emberson wrote: > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Cory Emberson" > > Hello everyone, > > I just have a quick question, and would like to know the (approximate) > cost > of windscreen and window replacement in, say, an RV-6 or -7. (I'm drawing > a > comparison between the wisdom of keeping your Plexi clean and > scratch-free, > versus having to replace the windows after major scratch damage. > > Thanks so much, > Cory Cory, it is a BIG job to replace the canopy in the RV-6. My guess would be $500 and 1-2 months of part time work. Dont even think about it, avoid the scratches from the start. -- Dave Leonard Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/rotaryroster/index.html http://members.aol.com/vp4skydoc/index.html ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:17:06 PM PST US From: Bobby Hester Subject: Re: RV-List: brake rattle --> RV-List message posted by: Bobby Hester Knicholas2@aol.com wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Knicholas2@aol.com > >THe brake calipers on my RV9A rattle. I took the wheel apart to diagnose and >fix it but the caliper "floats' on the wheel bracket with no way to tighten >it. Has anyone noticed this and is there a way to stop the noise? > >Kim Nicholas >Seattle > > Check to make sure you have them installed properly. Look near the bottom of this page it show the wrong way and the right way. http://members.hopkinsville.net/bhester/ElectricalSystemPg1.htm -- Surfing the Web from Hopkinsville, KY Visit my web site at: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/ RV7A Slowbuild wings-QB Fuse :-) ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 08:04:43 PM PST US From: "Kosta Lewis" Subject: RV-List: Waco, Texas; off topic --> RV-List message posted by: "Kosta Lewis" Listers: Kelli and I are planning a trip to the Waco, Texas area (pronounced WAYco to those non-Texans) over the fourth of July. Yeah, I know: 100% humidity and 100 degrees doesn't sound like fun. But we are going anyway; it's a family thang. Anybody have any information on the local airports? We are planning destination as McGregor Executive, unless someone thinks somewhere else is better. Kelli's family lives in McGregor. We will be traveling RIGHT next to the Presidential TFR around Crawford and would take any advise about that, besides avoiding it all together, of course. Unless we want to fly formation with Blackhawks. Also any knowledge of hangers in the area would be appreciated. Please reply off line. Thanks Michael N232 Suzie Q mikel@dimensional.com do not archive Which reminds me: where do you find information on getting into or out of a Presidential/VIP TFR? I have looked in a lot of places and have found little. I guess he can just show up at any time and ruin your day. The sectional has a 30 mile white area around the place. Scary.............. ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:07:16 PM PST US From: "Alex Peterson" Subject: RE: RV-List: Fuel vapors in cockpit --> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" > I have noticed that after aerobatics, I have streaks from both vents from > the bottom fuselage to the top of the wing where fuel has been vented out > of the vent lines. Of course, I can smell avgas during aerobatics. > > Why this happens I don't know? > > Bob > RV6 NightFighter Bob, let me take a shot at this. If you are going vertical, the end of the vent which is inside the tank is submerged, provided the tank is mostly full. As you go vertical, the air pressure outside the plane drops. The air/fumes which are now trapped inside the tank wants to get out. The now pressurizing fumes in the tank push fuel out through the vent. Completely normal for Van's design. Good thing you don't have the vertical of an F16. Alex Peterson RV6A 630 hours Maple Grove, MN ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 08:44:37 PM PST US From: "Paul Besing" Subject: RE: RV-List: Cost of Windshield/Window Replacement? --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" When I replaced mine, the canopy alone was $1000 including crating and shipping. Not to mention the labor. That was all because I had a crack in the original installation. Take extra care of the canopy. Use plexus or something similar. I used to keep a ziploc bag with a lint free polishing cloth and plexus. If the canopy was dusty, I would spray it off with water before cleaning. Also, don't clean in a circular motion. Straight up and down. Any scratches that could be introduced will not be near as noticeable if it is cleaned in a linear fashion. Paul Besing RV-6A Sold Kitlog Builder's Software www.kitlog.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Cory Emberson Subject: RV-List: Cost of Windshield/Window Replacement? --> RV-List message posted by: "Cory Emberson" Hello everyone, I just have a quick question, and would like to know the (approximate) cost of windscreen and window replacement in, say, an RV-6 or -7. (I'm drawing a comparison between the wisdom of keeping your Plexi clean and scratch-free, versus having to replace the windows after major scratch damage. Thanks so much, Cory ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 09:39:24 PM PST US From: Subject: RV-List: Re: Compass Swinging --> RV-List message posted by: From the faa AC 43.13-1B ACCEPTABLE METHODS, TECHNIQUES, AND PRACTICES - AIRCRAFT INSPECTION AND REPAIR How to swing a compass: http://www.faa.gov/certification/aircraft/av-info/dst/43-13/Ch_12-03.doc Make sure you fill out a correction card out, even if it is wrong or says all heading are +/-0.0 the FAA will like to see it. I don't look at mag heading much anymore with GPS. Really why when I fly track. Enjoy George --------------------------------- Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour