---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 07/02/05: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:03 AM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (dralle@matronics.com) 2. 12:07 AM - Re: Cowl mounting (vhimsl) 3. 05:00 AM - Is this gent on the list? (sportav8r@aol.com) 4. 05:13 AM - Re: Off Topic (Bugs) (LarryRobertHelming) 5. 05:22 AM - Aft edge glare shield cover (LarryRobertHelming) 6. 06:05 AM - Re: Cowl mounting (Denis Walsh) 7. 11:34 AM - [ eanderson@carolina.rr.com ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares) 8. 12:19 PM - Van's new cockpit vents in an RV-4?? (Charlie England) 9. 12:21 PM - Re: RV9-A Fuel line (John B. Szantho) 10. 12:44 PM - Wanted: 3/32 clecos (Albert Gardner) 11. 02:30 PM - Re: Re: RV9-A Fuel line (Ron Lee) 12. 04:54 PM - Re:RV9-A Fuel line (John B. Szantho) 13. 09:51 PM - First Start-Up (Jerry Isler) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:03:05 AM PST US From: dralle@matronics.com Subject: RV-List: Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] DNA: do not archive --> RV-List message posted by: dralle@matronics.com Dear Lister, Please read over the RV-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete RV-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/RV-List.FAQ.html Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** RVSouthEast-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RVSouthEast-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. 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"Way to go!", "I agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large. - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly contribute something valuable. - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. ------- [This is an automated posting.] ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:07:01 AM PST US From: vhimsl Subject: Re: RV-List: Cowl mounting --> RV-List message posted by: vhimsl If you go to Van's web site, you will find a pdf document where the Van pros describe how to mount the cowl using spacers. Briefly, the document states you do not need the exhaust system or other items to mount the cowl as they just get in the way. Good read. An accurate laser level on a level tripod will help draw the cutting line escecialy around inlets. I made my cutting line parallel to the line along the cockpit canopy rail with the plane level (again in relation to the cockpit rail) This is where I am at now after botching it the first time. Carefully read the instructions else you will be rebuilding the sides. The snout below bottom cowl is not same as one shown in my big drawing of fuselage. All in all, a genuine real pain in the rear! Good Luck Vince Himsl RV8 VSH Finish - Cowl -----Original message----- From: "Darwin N. Barrie" ktlkrn@cox.net Subject: RV-List: Cowl mounting > --> RV-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie" > > Somewhere in the maze of information I have read about mounting the cowl slightly lower than the spinner backplate to compensate for the engine sag. > > I am going to start the cowl mounting tonight and would like some info from those who have "been there, done that." > > DArwin N. Barrie > P19 > Cowl/baffling/wiring completion > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:00:14 AM PST US From: sportav8r@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Is this gent on the list? --> RV-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com Nice looking RV, and the world's best second hobby (besides firearms :-) http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?storyID=123010901&page=1 Click the hi-res photo button for a much better look at him. -Stormy ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:13:58 AM PST US From: "LarryRobertHelming" Subject: Re: RV-List: Off Topic (Bugs) --> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" Bob, I picked up some bug glue strips at the Lowes aircraft/hardware store near me. Amazing how many different type bugs are in a hangar. I had caught so many, I had to replace it because there was no more available space for new bugs to stick. Not cheap, but works. Probably do not want to use if you have small kids or pets around, however. Sometimes poisoned bugs will be eaten by birds that might also die. So the strips have that good advantage. Indiana Larry, RV7 Tip Up Flying do not archive > --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Perkinson" > > This Summer I am being run over by spiders in the shop area. In the past > I > have used a bug bomb to blast away the varmints, but with all the aluminum > in there I question the sanity of blasting chemicals in the air which will > settle out on the aluminum. My question is whether the chemicals in a bug > bomb are going to set up any corrosion on the aluminum, and if it is what > is > the next best thing to use? > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:22:01 AM PST US From: "LarryRobertHelming" Subject: RV-List: Aft edge glare shield cover --> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" Another idea on covering the aft edge of the glare shield can be found at most any auto parts store. I bought some truck door edge molding, black flexible plastic and it comes with a bit of sticky stuff in the inside. I measured it carefully and just pushed it on. Looks nice and is not that large that you even notice it after a while. Does not really add a big bulge. I like it for about $4 for 4 ft. Indiana Larry, RV7 Tip Up It Flies (glare shield aft edge, glare shield cover, glare shield edge cover) ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: RV-List: RV4 N3074T Crash > --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" > > I split a 1/2" dia thickwall aluminum tube of length to cover the glare > shield edge and forced it over the aluminum sheet, wrapped than in some > substantial foam and put vinyl over that to provide a neat looking and > safer > glare shield. Inexpensive and fairly easy to do. > > Ed Anderson ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:05:41 AM PST US From: Denis Walsh Subject: Re: RV-List: Cowl mounting --> RV-List message posted by: Denis Walsh An old timer told me to start out with the cowl even with the top of the spinner. The expected sag would come along later and it would be very close to same space top and bottom. Also use new engine mount donuts. Worked for me. Still looks ok after 1500 hours. Denis Walsh On Jul 2, 2005, at 1:06 AM, vhimsl wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: vhimsl > > If you go to Van's web site, you will find a pdf document where the > Van pros describe how to mount the cowl using spacers. Briefly, the > document states you do not need the exhaust system or other items > to mount the cowl as they just get in the way. Good read. > > An accurate laser level on a level tripod will help draw the > cutting line escecialy around inlets. > > I made my cutting line parallel to the line along the cockpit > canopy rail with the plane level (again in relation to the cockpit > rail) > > This is where I am at now after botching it the first time. > Carefully read the instructions else you will be rebuilding the sides. > > The snout below bottom cowl is not same as one shown in my big > drawing of fuselage. > > All in all, a genuine real pain in the rear! > > Good Luck > Vince Himsl > RV8 VSH Finish - Cowl > > -----Original message----- > From: "Darwin N. Barrie" ktlkrn@cox.net > Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 18:01:03 -0700 > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Cowl mounting > > >> --> RV-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie" >> >> Somewhere in the maze of information I have read about mounting >> the cowl slightly lower than the spinner backplate to compensate >> for the engine sag. >> >> I am going to start the cowl mounting tonight and would like some >> info from those who have "been there, done that." >> >> DArwin N. Barrie >> P19 >> Cowl/baffling/wiring completion >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:34:08 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: [ eanderson@carolina.rr.com ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! From: Email List Photo Shares --> RV-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: eanderson@carolina.rr.com Lists: RV-List,RV3-List,RV4-List,RV6-List,RV7-List,RV8-List,RV9-List,RV10-List Subject: Brake Line Failure http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/eanderson@carolina.rr.com.07.02.2005/index.html o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures@matronics.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:19:35 PM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: RV-List: Van's new cockpit vents in an RV-4?? --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England Has anyone installed the new rectangular RV-10 backseat vents in an RV-4 in the canopy skirt? I'm wondering if I can mount them in the canopy skirt instead of the fuse. below the top longeron. The tech guy at Van's was unsure about mounting them in the skirt due to its extra curvature. Thanks, Charlie ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:21:39 PM PST US From: "John B. Szantho" Subject: RV-List: Re: RV9-A Fuel line --> RV-List message posted by: "John B. Szantho" I want to drill the hole in the firewall for the fuel line bulkhead fitting. On the engine side this fitting will connect to the Andair gascolator. I would like to locate the bulkhead connector about 9=94 above the Facet fuel pump outlet (about =BD way up the firewall) and 7=94-8=94 above the gascolator. Will this cause any fuel pressure or other fuel flow problems? This would give me the easiest connection on the engine side. Also did you guys use the steel bulkhead fitting or the aluminum? I would appreciate any help you can give me. John RV9-A Firewall Forward, Lycoming O-320 N3294C ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:44:29 PM PST US From: "Albert Gardner" Subject: RV-List: Wanted: 3/32 clecos --> RV-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner" I'm just starting a RV-10 kit and find I need additional silver clecos. If anyone has 1 or 2 hundred for sale, I'm interested. Albert Gardner RV-9A N872RV Yuma, AZ ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:30:01 PM PST US From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV9-A Fuel line --> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee >I want to drill the hole in the firewall for the fuel line bulkhead fitting. >On the engine side this fitting will connect to the Andair gascolator. Have you discussed with smarter people than myself about using fuel filters instead of a gascolator? Ron Lee Do not archive ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:54:27 PM PST US From: "John B. Szantho" Subject: RV-List: Re:RV9-A Fuel line --> RV-List message posted by: "John B. Szantho" I don't know what happened, but all my numbers got scrambled in the original message. Try again, maybe this time it will work. Sorry for the repeat. I want to drill the hole in the firewall for the fuel line bulkhead fitting. On the engine side this fitting will connect to the Andair gascolator. I would like to locate the bulkhead connector about 9 inches above the Facet fuel pump outlet (about half way up the firewall) and 7-8 inches above the gascolator. Will this cause any fuel pressure or other fuel flow problems? This would give me the easiest connection on the engine side. Also did you guys use the steel bulkhead fitting or the aluminum? I would appreciate any help you can give me. John RV9-A Firewall Forward, Lycoming O-320 N3294C ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:51:36 PM PST US From: "Jerry Isler" Subject: RV-List: First Start-Up --> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Isler" After several years of construction on my RV-4 (serial number 1070) I finally started the engine for the first time Saturday. Although it is still located at my shop at home I pulled her outside, installed both wings temporarily, plumbed up the right gas tank (thankfully no leaks) and added 5 gallons of 100LL. After priming, I hit the starter and on the fourth blade it fired right off. As I sat there in all my glory I could see that top plug wires for cylinders 2 and 4 were disconnected! So much for my once over before starting. I shut her back down, climbed out, connected up the plug wires, and gave the engine a good going over. No more discrepancies. Started up again and she's running exceptionally well. Oil pressure 80 psig at 1000 RPM, EGT's and CHT's coming up, 15.2 Volts!!!! What? 15.2 volts? Pulled the field breaker to stop the alternator. I guess the Van's adjustable voltage regulator needs a little tweaking. Oh well. All else is right on the money. All the Electronics International gauges are working. I was concerned there could have been wiring issues due to the complexity of connecting these instruments up but none have surfaced. The engine runs great. It's an 160 hp O-320 that I overhauled myself. It started life as a 150 hp O320-E2D out of a 172. I sent the crank, rods, camshaft, gears, internal parts and cylinders to Barrett Performance Engines in Oklahoma for rework. The rotating assembly was balanced and the camshaft and tappets reworked. The cylinders were reworked with new valves and valve seats. They came back to me with the rings already on the pistons and the pistons slid into the cylinders. All I had to do was pull them back just far enough to slide in the piston pins and plugs upon assembly. The crankcase was exchanged at Divco. I converted the engine to 160 horses by installing large main bearings on the crankshaft, heavy wall piston pins, and higher compression pistons. I overhauled the carb with a kit I got from Avstar out of Florida. The only adjustment needed is to set the idle stop a little higher. I am running a wooden Sensenich propeller and a Landall balancer so I need a little more RPM for now. The family dogs even got in on the action. It was 93 degrees and about 98% humidity today so when I was running the engine they both laid on the ground behind the tail of the plane and enjoyed the breeze. I was surprised they didn't run. It was a good day for all of us. Jerry Isler RV-4 #1070 N455J Donalsonville, Georgia