---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 07/05/05: 22 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:15 AM - FW: RV6A wings on Ebay (Zeidman, Richard B) 2. 04:35 AM - EIS (Steve Glasgow) 3. 05:02 AM - Re:Glare shield (Oldsfolks@AOL.COM) 4. 05:50 AM - Re: Glare shield (Jeff Dowling) 5. 05:55 AM - Glare shield (Glen Matejcek) 6. 05:59 AM - Exhaust wrap (Glen Matejcek) 7. 07:44 AM - Re: Need advice on wood props. (rv6fly) 8. 08:24 AM - Re: lockwashers on Odyssey battery terminals? (Bill Dube) 9. 08:28 AM - Re: EIS (Hal Kempthorne) 10. 08:59 AM - Painting the canopy (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)) 11. 08:59 AM - Padding on glare Shield...WAS: RV4 N3074T Crash (Hull, Don) 12. 09:13 AM - Re: Painting the canopy (Tim Bryan) 13. 09:45 AM - Re: Painting the canopy (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)) 14. 11:08 AM - Re: Painting the canopy (Tim Bryan) 15. 04:48 PM - Re: acoustical and thremal insuluation (Bill Hood) 16. 05:19 PM - Rolling the Rudder Leading Edge (MLWynn@aol.com) 17. 06:04 PM - Re: acoustical and thremal insuluation (LarryRobertHelming) 18. 07:03 PM - Re: acoustical and thremal insuluation (Kevin Horton) 19. 07:52 PM - Re: Painting the canopy (N67BT@aol.com) 20. 08:32 PM - Re: acoustical and thremal insuluation (flynlow) 21. 09:03 PM - Re: EIS (HCRV6@aol.com) 22. 09:31 PM - Re: Glare shield (Don Diehl) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:15:25 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: FW: RV6A wings on Ebay From: "Zeidman, Richard B" --> RV-List message posted by: "Zeidman, Richard B" Subject: RV6A wings on Ebay RV Listers- For any of you real slow builders. I just listed my wings and main landing gear from my RV6A on ebay. You can find it under ebay motors, aircraft, projects/experimental. The outboard 24 inches of the left wing was damaged in a forced landing last month. The right wing and LG appear to be OK. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63679& item=4560188651&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW If you are interested and have any questions, I can be reached at richpatzeidman@comcast.net or richard.b.zeidman@boeing.com. Thanks, Rich ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:35:41 AM PST US From: "Steve Glasgow" Subject: RV-List: EIS --> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow" Has anyone else had problems with the Grand Rapids EIS 4000 cutting out? Three times in less than 2 years mine has completely shut down (blank screen). The fix so far has been to un-plug both wiring plugs on the back of the instrument and plug back in. What gives? Help! Steve Glasgow N123SG RV-8 Cappy's Toy (220 hours) ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:02:23 AM PST US From: Oldsfolks@AOL.COM Subject: RV-List: Re:Glare shield --> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com I did my RV-4 shield with aluminum tube,split as above, and pop riveted at each end. I then painted to match the rest of the interior. Bob Olds RV-4 , N1191X A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor Charleston,Arkansas Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:50:34 AM PST US From: "Jeff Dowling" Subject: Re: RV-List: Glare shield --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" Fabric shops sell molding already made for this for just a couple of bucks. Its all in the archives somewhere. Shemp/Jeff Dowling RV-6A, N915JD 200 hours Chicago/Louisville ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glen Matejcek" Subject: RV-List: Glare shield > --> RV-List message posted by: Glen Matejcek > > Hi All- > > Ive put some thought into combing (SP?) the glare shield lip. Im > concerned that if my fat head were to whack a non-metallic cover, the edge > of the glare shield sheet metal would cut right through the padding and > scalp me, or worse. My tentative plan is to split some copper water pipe > or aluminum tube and mount it over the edge of the sheet metal. This in > itself should cause the glare shield to buckle before my noggin got > peeled, and Im also considering padding the tube before wrapping it in > cloth. Likewise, I plan on cloth covered water pipe insulation on the > seat back weldment of my -8 to protect the rear seater. Have any of you > fine folks gone down this path? > > gm > > > Glen Matejcek > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:55:16 AM PST US From: Glen Matejcek Subject: RV-List: Glare shield --> RV-List message posted by: Glen Matejcek Thanks, Ed Glen Matejcek ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:59:54 AM PST US From: Glen Matejcek Subject: RV-List: Exhaust wrap --> RV-List message posted by: Glen Matejcek Thanks Mike Glen Matejcek ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:44:16 AM PST US From: rv6fly Subject: Re: RV-List: Need advice on wood props. --> RV-List message posted by: rv6fly DEAN PSIROPOULOS wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" > >I decided I would do my first flights with a wood prop and fly with one for >a while before spending the big bucks on something metal. I was going to >order a new one but have recently come across two used props that can be had >for very good prices and supposedly will work on my airplane. Problem is, >I'm not 100% sure they'll work on my plane and I don't know anything about >wood props so I'm not sure if I'm looking at good deals or worthless junk. >So any listers familiar with wood props that could give me some advice would >be appreciated. > > >Dean Psiropoulos >RV-6A N197DM >Cowling and wiring > > Dean, I'd vote against your plan. First, I'd be nervous about buying any wood prop without knowing everything there is to know about the prop. The prop with the glued in inserts would be a big no-no to me. I started out with a Props, Inc. wood prop on my RV6. A beautiful prop but not pitched to give me the performance I was after. I sent it in 2 times to be re-pitched. Of course a more accurate statement would be "re-shaped". When a metal prop is re-pitched, that is exactly what happens. The airfoil shape of the prop remains the same. The angle of attack of the prop airfoil is changed. When a wood prop is "re-pitched" wood is removed and the prop shape changes as does the airfoil shape. I finally put on the Sensenich. Another thing we found out when trying to order a duplicate wood prop is that it was really hit and miss. I helped a RV6A guy rebuild his airplane after an "uh-oh" and he ordered a prop identical to the one destroyed from Warnke. Airplane performance was nowhere close to what it was with the previous prop and, after shipping the prop back & forth a couple of times, it still didn't come close to the original prop. I would go with the Sensenich prop built for RV's. Advantages in no particular order of importance: you only have to fit the spinner once, you don't have to figure weight and balance again, prop can easily and repeatably be re-pitched and you can fly through precip without worrying about the prop eroding. One thing I would recommend to you (or any RVer) would be to have the prop dynamically balanced. I did this on both my wood prop and my Sensenich. The Props Inc. prop didn't take much weight to balance but the Sensenich did. The Sensencih balanced perfectly statically but was quite rough when compared to my balanced wood prop so I had it dynamically balanced as well. I took two, #4 bolts, 4 large area washers and 2 nuts in the ring gear to balance. Bob Skinner RV6 (sold) (also built a Glasair and helped with 2 Glastar projects and 4 or 5 RV projects) -- ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:24:01 AM PST US From: Bill Dube Subject: Re: RV-List: lockwashers on Odyssey battery terminals? --> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube You should use "Belleville Washers". These are spring washers that are shaped like a shallow cone. As the lead post slowly flows out from under the bolt, the Belleville washer maintains the clamping force on the connection. "Wave" type spring washers also work. Put in "Belleville" in the search box at McMaster Carr http://www.mcmaster.com/ At 12:29 AM 7/2/2005, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: czechsix@juno.com > >Ok, ignorant question....does anybody see a need to add a lockwasher to >the battery terminal bolts? My PC-680 battery just came with a plain >washer for each bolt, but no lockwasher. Seems like everything else on >an airplane uses some sort of lockwasher, cotter pin, or self locking >nut, so I'm wondering if this is an exception? No point in adding it if >it ain't needed though.... Bill Dube' ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:28:31 AM PST US From: Hal Kempthorne Subject: Re: RV-List: EIS --> RV-List message posted by: Hal Kempthorne There is a little computer in there with software. A bug has appeared and the system has crashed. Reboot by shutting off the power and turning it back on. Software needs a little work as it has been sent down some path to nowhere. Hal Kempthorne RV6-a Debonair sold! Steve Glasgow wrote: --> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow" Has anyone else had problems with the Grand Rapids EIS 4000 cutting out? Three times in less than 2 years mine has completely shut down (blank screen). The fix so far has been to un-plug both wiring plugs on the back of the instrument and plug back in. What gives? Help! Steve Glasgow N123SG RV-8 Cappy's Toy (220 hours) ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:59:26 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: Painting the canopy From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" I know this sounds dumb, who on earth would want to paint their canopy?? Well if you glue yours, there is a black strip of primer on the inside at the top of the canopy bow on the slider portion. An excellent picture here. http://www.rv8.ch/images/articles/20050626222037648_7_original.JPG When you shut the canopy, this ugly black strip across the top shows aft of the fiberglass transition fairing along the top. I would like to paint this my plane color and make it look nice. Is there any reason I cant scuff the plexi, prime and paint? I have never painted plexi before. I suspect it will get a bit scratched up going under the fiberglass strip when shutting. But the black does not look good. Thanks Mike Do not archive ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:59:26 AM PST US From: "Hull, Don" Subject: Padding on glare Shield...WAS: RV-List: RV4 N3074T Crash --> RV-List message posted by: "Hull, Don" I'm with you, Bert. Some of us are old enough to remember when Detroit started providing "padded dashboards" on new cars. Before that, there were a lot of auto fatalities and head injuries (there were no seat belts either) due to impacts with the "dashboard." I too have noticed few RV's that have what I would consider to be sufficient padding or protection on the glareshield edge. I'm not to the finishing kit yet but I do plan to something there for protection. Don RV-7 emp > > > >Not that this makes any difference, but I can never understand, why > >Rv builders, never put any protection, padding on the glare-shield...I have watched rv's where ever I go, to see how many do this.. I sayu a very few, if I recall. Tony Bengalis book,(one of them) mention this and even shows how to do this very inexpensive, which I did on my RV6a. Bert Do NOt archive > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:13:41 AM PST US From: "Tim Bryan" Subject: Re: RV-List: Painting the canopy --> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" I did exactly the same thing on my -6 I painted about an inch or so all the way around the windscreen. Looks way better. I did get a little plexi action on the edge but didn't go beyond the painted area. Probably depends on the type of paint used. Tim N616TB -------Original Message------- From: Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) Subject: RV-List: Painting the canopy --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" I know this sounds dumb, who on earth would want to paint their canopy?? Well if you glue yours, there is a black strip of primer on the inside at the top of the canopy bow on the slider portion. An excellent picture here. http://www.rv8.ch/images/articles/20050626222037648_7_original.JPG When you shut the canopy, this ugly black strip across the top shows aft of the fiberglass transition fairing along the top. I would like to paint this my plane color and make it look nice. Is there any reason I cant scuff the plexi, prime and paint? I have never painted plexi before. I suspect it will get a bit scratched up going under the fiberglass strip when shutting. But the black does not look good. Thanks Mike Do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:45:55 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Painting the canopy From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" " plexi action on the edge" What does this mean? And how has the paint scraping under the fiberglass doing? Holding up? Using felt strips or anything? Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Bryan Subject: Re: RV-List: Painting the canopy --> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" I did exactly the same thing on my -6 I painted about an inch or so all the way around the windscreen. Looks way better. I did get a little plexi action on the edge but didn't go beyond the painted area. Probably depends on the type of paint used. Tim N616TB -------Original Message------- From: Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) Subject: RV-List: Painting the canopy --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" I know this sounds dumb, who on earth would want to paint their canopy?? Well if you glue yours, there is a black strip of primer on the inside at the top of the canopy bow on the slider portion. An excellent picture here. http://www.rv8.ch/images/articles/20050626222037648_7_original.JPG When you shut the canopy, this ugly black strip across the top shows aft of the fiberglass transition fairing along the top. I would like to paint this my plane color and make it look nice. Is there any reason I cant scuff the plexi, prime and paint? I have never painted plexi before. I suspect it will get a bit scratched up going under the fiberglass strip when shutting. But the black does not look good. Thanks Mike Do not archive ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:08:19 AM PST US From: "Tim Bryan" Subject: RE: RV-List: Painting the canopy --> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" Hi Mike, I painted on the inside of the plexi so not a factor with any scraping. Also I am not flying yet (soon). I wasn't too clear about the plexi action comment. The plexi must have reacted a little to the paint solvent as it kind of wrinkled up a little. This only happened in a couple of places and only where the paint was. Not visible now that I am not looking at it and it is installed. Next time I might research what paint would be less likely to react with or disolve the canopy plexi. No issues however. Tim -------Original Message------- From: Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) Subject: RE: RV-List: Painting the canopy --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" " plexi action on the edge" What does this mean? And how has the paint scraping under the fiberglass doing? Holding up? Using felt strips or anything? Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Bryan Subject: Re: RV-List: Painting the canopy --> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" I did exactly the same thing on my -6 I painted about an inch or so all the way around the windscreen. Looks way better. I did get a little plexi action on the edge but didn't go beyond the painted area. Probably depends on the type of paint used. Tim N616TB -------Original Message------- From: Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) Subject: RV-List: Painting the canopy --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" I know this sounds dumb, who on earth would want to paint their canopy?? Well if you glue yours, there is a black strip of primer on the inside at the top of the canopy bow on the slider portion. An excellent picture here. http://www.rv8.ch/images/articles/20050626222037648_7_original.JPG When you shut the canopy, this ugly black strip across the top shows aft of the fiberglass transition fairing along the top. I would like to paint this my plane color and make it look nice. Is there any reason I cant scuff the plexi, prime and paint? I have never painted plexi before. I suspect it will get a bit scratched up going under the fiberglass strip when shutting. But the black does not look good. Thanks Mike Do not archive ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:48:00 PM PST US From: "Bill Hood" Subject: Re: RV-List: acoustical and thremal insuluation --> RV-List message posted by: "Bill Hood" I have been lurking, actually reading with great interest just about all of the contrubutions to this list since I started building . I am working on the fuse (RV-7) of what will become a great aircaft. Most all of my questions have been answered, and I might add with great variety and detail...thanks to all! The reason for this letter is related to noise, and cold but mostly noise, I live in Texas. I have done a little research: 1) EAA Sport Aviation March, 2005, Aircraft Acoustics, in my opinion not much meat. 2) George and Becki Ordodorf www.fly-gbi.com/FirewallInsulation.htm 3) http://soundproofing.org/ and a free booklet, free is always good, http://www.supersoundproofing.biz/index.html on this page scroll down to How to Soundproof Light Aircaft Maybe I have just missed it, oor maybe the weight penalty is just to much, oor we all just love our ANR headsets, but I have read little, on this subject,, on this list,, which by the way is made up of the most astute pilots in the world! So, to conclude, How about some real world knowledge from the best and brightest, the only reason I say my plane is going to be great is because I read this list, and learn, learn,learn.....thanks ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:19:54 PM PST US From: MLWynn@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Rolling the Rudder Leading Edge --> RV-List message posted by: MLWynn@aol.com Hi all, I have spent several hours trying to get the rolled leading edge of my rudder right. I used a 3/4" piece of electrical conduit. I started by rolling the entire thing in one piece. Had some difficulty getting the tape even all the way down. The part near the top worked fine with minimal hassel. Was eventually able to get the middle section shaped properly but am having a very difficult time with the lowest section. It is almost as if their is insufficient metal to make a smooth bend, meeting in the middle. At any rate, once I got everything curled, then stretching it to meet in the middle was difficult and the edges are curled under--failing to make a nice overlap. Suggestions on this? Regards, Michael Wynn RV-8, Empennage San Ramon, California ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:04:21 PM PST US From: "LarryRobertHelming" Subject: Re: RV-List: acoustical and thremal insuluation --> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" Bill, I got mine from Flightline Interiors. Cockpit floor is foam material that absorbs sound of exhaust and the firewall insulation cuts the heat and noise. Here is contact info. http://my.execpc.com/~erdmannb/ I am just a happy customer of theirs. I turn the noise canceling part of my Lightspeeds off and do not find the noise uncomfortable. I liked it that way during my phase 1 tests so I could hear the engine better in case it made any funny or not so funny sounds. There are still some unpleasant sounds however when working off of turf runways/taxiways due to it not being smooth and the oil canning sound. Indiana Larry, RV7 Tip Up It Flies > --> RV-List message posted by: "Bill Hood" > > I have been lurking, actually reading with great interest just about all > of the contrubutions to this list since I started building . I am > working on the fuse (RV-7) of what will become a great aircaft. Most all > of my questions have been answered, and I might add with great variety and > detail...thanks to all! > > The reason for this letter is related to noise, and cold but mostly noise, > I live in Texas. I have done a little research: > > 1) EAA Sport Aviation March, 2005, Aircraft Acoustics, in my opinion > not much meat. > 2) George and Becki Ordodorf www.fly-gbi.com/FirewallInsulation.htm > 3) http://soundproofing.org/ and a free booklet, free is always > good, http://www.supersoundproofing.biz/index.html on this page scroll > down to How to Soundproof Light Aircaft > > Maybe I have just missed it, oor maybe the weight penalty is just to much, > oor we all just love our ANR headsets, but I have read little, on this > subject,, on this list,, which by the way is made up of the most astute > pilots in the world! > > So, to conclude, How about some real world knowledge from the best and > brightest, the only reason I say my plane is going to be great is because > I read this list, and learn, learn,learn.....thanks > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:03:52 PM PST US From: Kevin Horton Subject: Re: RV-List: acoustical and thremal insuluation --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton On 5 Jul 2005, at 19:46, Bill Hood wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Bill Hood" > > I have been lurking, actually reading with great interest just > about all of the contrubutions to this list since I started > building . I am working on the fuse (RV-7) of what will become a > great aircaft. Most all of my questions have been answered, and I > might add with great variety and detail...thanks to all! > > The reason for this letter is related to noise, and cold but mostly > noise, I live in Texas. I have done a little research: > > 1) EAA Sport Aviation March, 2005, Aircraft Acoustics, in my > opinion not much meat. > 2) George and Becki Ordodorf www.fly-gbi.com/ > FirewallInsulation.htm > 3) http://soundproofing.org/ and a free booklet, free is > always good, http://www.supersoundproofing.biz/index.html on > this page scroll down to How to Soundproof Light Aircaft > > Maybe I have just missed it, oor maybe the weight penalty is just > to much, oor we all just love our ANR headsets, but I have read > little, on this subject,, on this list,, which by the way is made > up of the most astute pilots in the world! > > So, to conclude, How about some real world knowledge from the best > and brightest, the only reason I say my plane is going to be great > is because I read this list, and learn, learn,learn.....thanks > > I don't have any specific recommendations, but one thing to keep in mind is flammability. I bought some BK14100 acoustic and thermal insulation from Wicks, and was quite distressed to see that it really burnt when I touched it with the flame from a propane torch. It burned very quickly, with lots of thick black smoke. It eventually self-extinguished after I removed the flame, but it took some time. I'm looking for something else to put in my aircraft. Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit) Ottawa, Canada http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:52:28 PM PST US From: N67BT@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Painting the canopy --> RV-List message posted by: N67BT@aol.com <> Mike, I wondered the same thing as I want to paint the inside of the windscreen the hide the fiberglass molding. This is not quite the same situation as I will just use black and don't need to match a color. Anyway, I bought some satin black Krylon Fusion spray paint at Walmart and tried it on some scraps. It doesn't need a primer. It dried quickly but took about a week to set up hard. There were no apparent changes to the Plexi. I even called the toll free number on the can and asked the representative if there were any problems painting Plexiglas. Although his answer wasn't all that convincing, "there shouldn't be a problem", I plan to use it. Bob Trumpfheller ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:32:00 PM PST US From: "flynlow" Subject: RE: RV-List: acoustical and thremal insuluation --> RV-List message posted by: "flynlow" Has anyone every used the spray can foam insulation? Does it harm or protect aluminum? Just Curious. Bud Silvers Black Forest, Colorado -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Hood Subject: Re: RV-List: acoustical and thremal insuluation --> RV-List message posted by: "Bill Hood" I have been lurking, actually reading with great interest just about all of the contrubutions to this list since I started building . I am working on the fuse (RV-7) of what will become a great aircaft. Most all of my questions have been answered, and I might add with great variety and detail...thanks to all! The reason for this letter is related to noise, and cold but mostly noise, I live in Texas. I have done a little research: 1) EAA Sport Aviation March, 2005, Aircraft Acoustics, in my opinion not much meat. 2) George and Becki Ordodorf www.fly-gbi.com/FirewallInsulation.htm 3) http://soundproofing.org/ and a free booklet, free is always good, http://www.supersoundproofing.biz/index.html on this page scroll down to How to Soundproof Light Aircaft Maybe I have just missed it, oor maybe the weight penalty is just to much, oor we all just love our ANR headsets, but I have read little, on this subject,, on this list,, which by the way is made up of the most astute pilots in the world! So, to conclude, How about some real world knowledge from the best and brightest, the only reason I say my plane is going to be great is because I read this list, and learn, learn,learn.....thanks ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 09:03:06 PM PST US From: HCRV6@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: EIS --> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com In a message dated 7/5/05 4:37:01 AM Pacific Daylight Time, willfly@carolina.rr.com writes: > Has anyone else had problems with the Grand Rapids EIS 4000 cutting out? > > I HAVE ALMOST 100 HOURS ON MINE SO FAR AND IT'S WORKING GREAT. I'D GIVE > THEM A CALL RIGHT AWAY. GREG AND SANDY ARE ALWAYS EAGER TO HELP. > > HARRY CROSBY ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 09:31:59 PM PST US From: Don Diehl Subject: Re: RV-List: Glare shield --> RV-List message posted by: Don Diehl The glare shield for my RV-4 was quick, simple, safe, effective and CHEAP. At the local upholstery shop I got a scrap of 3/16 closed cell foam, soft enough to bend but too soft to hold its shape. I also got a scrap of black velour. Using a cardboard template I cut a piece of the foam to the desired shield shape. Then cut another, slightly larger. I bowed the two slightly to shape and provide a bit of rigidity then cemented them together. The black velour was cemented on top and around the aft edge. The cover is "secured" with a couple of pieces of double sided tape. It's worked perfectly for more than 300 hours. Contact me off line if you want photos. Don Diehl Bremerton WA N-28EW