---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 07/06/05: 46 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:46 AM - Re: EIS () 2. 07:29 AM - Re: acoustical and thremal insuluation (Karen and Robert Brown) 3. 07:31 AM - Metal bandsaw for QB kit? (Paul Folbrecht) 4. 07:49 AM - Re: Painting the canopy (Mickey Coggins) 5. 08:03 AM - Re: Metal bandsaw for QB kit? (Jeff Dowling) 6. 08:32 AM - Re: Metal bandsaw for QB kit? (Hal Kempthorne) 7. 08:35 AM - Re: Metal bandsaw for QB kit? (Bob C.) 8. 08:38 AM - Re: acoustical and thremal insuluation (Hal Kempthorne) 9. 08:41 AM - Re: Painting the canopy (Hal Kempthorne) 10. 08:45 AM - Re: Metal bandsaw for QB kit? (Paul Folbrecht) 11. 08:48 AM - Re: Metal bandsaw for QB kit? (John Danielson) 12. 08:48 AM - DAR Inspection Video (Walter Tondu) 13. 09:35 AM - Re: DAR Inspection Video (bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net) 14. 09:55 AM - Re: Metal bandsaw for QB kit? (Glaeser, Dennis A) 15. 10:15 AM - Re: Metal bandsaw for QB kit? (Joseph Larson) 16. 10:19 AM - Re: DAR Inspection Video (Terry Watson) 17. 10:36 AM - Re: Painting the canopy (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)) 18. 10:42 AM - Re: DAR Inspection Video (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)) 19. 10:48 AM - Re: Metal bandsaw for QB kit? () 20. 10:48 AM - Re: Re: Metal bandsaw for QB kit? (Paul Folbrecht) 21. 11:21 AM - Re: Metal bandsaw for QB kit? (Bob C.) 22. 11:38 AM - Re: Painting the canopy (Chris W) 23. 11:55 AM - Re: Painting the canopy (Hal Kempthorne) 24. 12:11 PM - Re: Metal bandsaw for QB kit? (Paul Folbrecht) 25. 12:21 PM - Re: Metal bandsaw for QB kit? (Mark Grieve) 26. 12:54 PM - Re: Painting the canopy (Joseph Larson) 27. 12:57 PM - Re: Metal bandsaw for QB kit? (Paul Folbrecht) 28. 01:38 PM - Re: Metal bandsaw for QB kit? (RV Builder (Michael Sausen)) 29. 01:39 PM - Fuel inj. exhaust heat muff (George Inman) 30. 01:41 PM - Re: Metal bandsaw for QB kit? (PJ Seipel) 31. 01:54 PM - Garmin -396 (CBRxxDRV@aol.com) 32. 03:06 PM - Bolts for Bendix throtle unit (George Inman) 33. 03:23 PM - Re: acoustical and thremal insuluation (Kyle Boatright) 34. 04:51 PM - Re: Metal bandsaw for QB kit? () 35. 05:22 PM - Re: DAR Inspection Video (RV6 Flyer) 36. 05:44 PM - Re: Metal bandsaw for QB kit? (linn walters) 37. 06:03 PM - Arlington NW EAA airshow () 38. 06:30 PM - Re: Garmin -396 (Henry Hochberg) 39. 06:47 PM - Re: Metal bandsaw for QB kit? (RV Builder (Michael Sausen)) 40. 07:06 PM - Re: Metal bandsaw for QB kit? (Bob Collins) 41. 08:12 PM - Re: Painting the canopy (N67BT@aol.com) 42. 08:33 PM - Re: Metal bandsaw for QB kit? (Jason Beaver) 43. 09:10 PM - Re: Garmin -396 (Nick Nafsinger) 44. 09:20 PM - RV Grinning (finally!) (Marty) 45. 10:08 PM - Tablesaw? Was Metal bandsaw for QB kit? (MLWynn@aol.com) 46. 11:38 PM - Re: Painting the canopy (rv6n6r@comcast.net) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:46:59 AM PST US From: Subject: RV-List: Re: EIS --> RV-List message posted by: Call Grand Rapids, you are apparently experiencing a very rare problem, as the EIS (engine info system) is very reliable and I have never heard of any complaints. There are thousands of these out there and has been around for well over 10 years with an excellent reputation for reliability. Yes there is a micro processor in the EIS and software but not in the sense of a PC and Windows, it is burned into the chip. The chip and code have been around for a long time with an excellent reputation. Not sure what "path to nowhere" means, but Greg and Sandy will hook you up. It could be anything from a bad chip or even your harness wiring. Again this is the most reliable experimental engine monitors around. Call GRT and they will take care of you. They have great customer service from my experience with them over 10 years. Cheers George >Subject: Re: EIS > RV-List message posted by: Hal Kempthorne There is a little computer in there with software. A bug has appeared and the system has crashed. Reboot by shutting off the power and turning it back on. Software needs a little work as it has been sent down some path to nowhere. Hal Kempthorne RV6-a Debonair sold! Steve Glasgow wrote: --> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow" Has anyone else had problems with the Grand Rapids EIS 4000 cutting out? Three times in less than 2 years mine has completely shut down (blank screen). The fix so far has been to un-plug both wiring plugs on the back of the instrument and plug back in. What gives? Help! Steve Glasgow N123SG RV-8 Cappy's Toy (220 hours) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:29:52 AM PST US From: "Karen and Robert Brown" Subject: Re: RV-List: acoustical and thremal insuluation --> RV-List message posted by: "Karen and Robert Brown" Aircraft Spruce has a free booklet (p/n 09-42755) in their catalog that discusses the details of insulating an aircraft, giving several options. I'd recommend starting there. On my 7A, I used the sandwich technique described in the book and made templates to fit each area of skin in the airplane. These sandwiches are foam/aluminum foil/foam, put together with spray on contact cement. I will have about 2" of this material (3 or 4 sandwiches) on the firewall, about 1" everywhere else. I put it on all metal surfaces that are not occupied with something else, including subpanel areas, behind the baggage bulkhead and areas in the tail. Total weight to the airplane is about 10 pounds. I used the 1/4" "Super Soundproofing Sheet" foam from Spruce (p/n 42720). That makes one "sandwich" a little thicker than 1/2" once the foil is put in. I've sprayed contact cement lightly to the aluminum to attach these. You can still rip em out if you want to, but they are attached more permanently than velcro. The plane isn't flying yet, but there is an incredible difference just being inside it and working...it's like a sound studio. Bob Brown RV7A - wingtip lights/waiting on engine ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:31:55 AM PST US From: Paul Folbrecht Subject: RV-List: Metal bandsaw for QB kit? --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht So, in the last week I have moved into my new place, setup the shop including plumbing the air lines, building my Checkoway-esque wing cradle, organizing tools, etc., etc., etc., and inventoried the whole kit. I am finally starting on the empennage. Woohoo! I have a (cheap) Ryobi 9" bandsaw which I am expecting will more or less suck for cutting Al stock (with wood the blade wanders across three counties). I'm wondering if I ought to invest the $200 or so for a Harbor Freight metal bandsaw considering I'm doing a full QB kit. Will it be worth it? If it'll only save me a few hours I'll stick with the hacksaw. I'm making a serious effort to keep the tool budget under control. ~Paul 9A #1176 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:49:23 AM PST US From: Mickey Coggins Subject: Re: RV-List: Painting the canopy --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins Hi Mike, Related topic - how are you attaching the canopy skirts? I've glued on my canopy, so obviously I don't want to drill a lot of holes in the canopy for the skirts, but gluing on the skirts seems to be rather tricky. The main problem I see is that there is a lot of work done with the skirts just clecoed on, then the skirts are removed, modified, re-clecoed, etc. Glue is kind of a one way street. Thanks for any hints! -- Mickey Coggins http://www.rv8.ch/ #82007 finishing ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:03:09 AM PST US From: "Jeff Dowling" Subject: Re: RV-List: Metal bandsaw for QB kit? --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" Why not try your Ryobi first. You will definitely be using it often. Just make sure to stay way outside the line if the blade wanders. To get a good straight edge, clamp a thick straight edge on the line and file, file away. Takes a bit longer but you'll get good results. Shemp/Jeff Dowling RV-6A, N915JD 200 hours Chicago/Louisville ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Folbrecht" Subject: RV-List: Metal bandsaw for QB kit? > --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht > > So, in the last week I have moved into my new place, setup the shop > including plumbing the air lines, building my Checkoway-esque wing > cradle, organizing tools, etc., etc., etc., and inventoried the whole > kit. I am finally starting on the empennage. Woohoo! > > I have a (cheap) Ryobi 9" bandsaw which I am expecting will more or less > suck for cutting Al stock (with wood the blade wanders across three > counties). I'm wondering if I ought to invest the $200 or so for a > Harbor Freight metal bandsaw considering I'm doing a full QB kit. Will > it be worth it? If it'll only save me a few hours I'll stick with the > hacksaw. I'm making a serious effort to keep the tool budget under > control. > > ~Paul > 9A #1176 > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:32:44 AM PST US From: Hal Kempthorne Subject: Re: RV-List: Metal bandsaw for QB kit? --> RV-List message posted by: Hal Kempthorne Hi For my 6a QB I used a table saw some - didn't have a bandsaw at that time. If you are trying to control tool expense I'd say you are set already. hal RV6a 185 hours Paul Folbrecht wrote: --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht So, in the last week I have moved into my new place, setup the shop including plumbing the air lines, building my Checkoway-esque wing cradle, organizing tools, etc., etc., etc., and inventoried the whole kit. I am finally starting on the empennage. Woohoo! I have a (cheap) Ryobi 9" bandsaw which I am expecting will more or less suck for cutting Al stock (with wood the blade wanders across three counties). I'm wondering if I ought to invest the $200 or so for a Harbor Freight metal bandsaw considering I'm doing a full QB kit. Will it be worth it? If it'll only save me a few hours I'll stick with the hacksaw. I'm making a serious effort to keep the tool budget under control. ~Paul 9A #1176 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:35:28 AM PST US From: "Bob C. " Subject: Re: RV-List: Metal bandsaw for QB kit? --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob C. " IMHO, for most things your existing saw should work fine. Good Luck, Bob On 7/6/05, Paul Folbrecht wrote: > > --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht > > So, in the last week I have moved into my new place, setup the shop > including plumbing the air lines, building my Checkoway-esque wing > cradle, organizing tools, etc., etc., etc., and inventoried the whole > kit. I am finally starting on the empennage. Woohoo! > > I have a (cheap) Ryobi 9" bandsaw which I am expecting will more or less > suck for cutting Al stock (with wood the blade wanders across three > counties). I'm wondering if I ought to invest the $200 or so for a > Harbor Freight metal bandsaw considering I'm doing a full QB kit. Will > it be worth it? If it'll only save me a few hours I'll stick with the > hacksaw. I'm making a serious effort to keep the tool budget under > control. > > ~Paul > 9A #1176 > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:38:49 AM PST US From: Hal Kempthorne Subject: Re: RV-List: acoustical and thremal insuluation --> RV-List message posted by: Hal Kempthorne The best sound deadener is mass such as earth, concrete or lead. Closing all little openings helps. Applying some sort of vibration dampner to the firewall should be a bit of a help as the firewall acts like a drum. Having one made like the diamond plate seen around trucks would have been nice as the dimples would dampen vibes. hal ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:41:49 AM PST US From: Hal Kempthorne Subject: Re: RV-List: Painting the canopy --> RV-List message posted by: Hal Kempthorne N67BT@aol.com wrote: Anyway, I bought some satin black Krylon Fusion spray paint............ I plan to use it. BIG MISTAKE! hal ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:45:00 AM PST US From: Paul Folbrecht Subject: Re: RV-List: Metal bandsaw for QB kit? --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht Not a bad idea. Using the Ryobi with wood was a trick until I learned to "guide" the blade. I guess I really don't want to chance ruining parts, even if it's only stock. But it's probably worth a try. Although, for the $100 I paid for it, it's already gotten enough use, and I can keep it around for the bit of woodworking I may do. do not archive Jeff Dowling wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" > >Why not try your Ryobi first. You will definitely be using it often. Just >make sure to stay way outside the line if the blade wanders. To get a good >straight edge, clamp a thick straight edge on the line and file, file away. >Takes a bit longer but you'll get good results. > >Shemp/Jeff Dowling >RV-6A, N915JD >200 hours >Chicago/Louisville > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Paul Folbrecht" >To: >Subject: RV-List: Metal bandsaw for QB kit? > > > > >>--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht >> >>So, in the last week I have moved into my new place, setup the shop >>including plumbing the air lines, building my Checkoway-esque wing >>cradle, organizing tools, etc., etc., etc., and inventoried the whole >>kit. I am finally starting on the empennage. Woohoo! >> >>I have a (cheap) Ryobi 9" bandsaw which I am expecting will more or less >>suck for cutting Al stock (with wood the blade wanders across three >>counties). I'm wondering if I ought to invest the $200 or so for a >>Harbor Freight metal bandsaw considering I'm doing a full QB kit. Will >>it be worth it? If it'll only save me a few hours I'll stick with the >>hacksaw. I'm making a serious effort to keep the tool budget under >>control. >> >>~Paul >>9A #1176 >> >> >> >> >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:48:49 AM PST US From: "John Danielson" Subject: RE: RV-List: Metal bandsaw for QB kit? --> RV-List message posted by: "John Danielson" I think the Ryobi band saw will work fine. I used a Craftsman small 3 wheel bandsaw and it worked fine building my RV6 I did put a blade made to cut non-ferrous metal on the unit. I replaced the blade approx. 4 times during the construction of the plane. Make sure you lower the guide to approx. 1/4 inch above the piece to be cut. This will help in the blade wandering. I also used a guide made of wood or aluminum angle c-clamped to the bed as a guide. Hope this helps John L. Danielson RV-6 sold Harmon Rocket -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Folbrecht Subject: RV-List: Metal bandsaw for QB kit? --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht So, in the last week I have moved into my new place, setup the shop including plumbing the air lines, building my Checkoway-esque wing cradle, organizing tools, etc., etc., etc., and inventoried the whole kit. I am finally starting on the empennage. Woohoo! I have a (cheap) Ryobi 9" bandsaw which I am expecting will more or less suck for cutting Al stock (with wood the blade wanders across three counties). I'm wondering if I ought to invest the $200 or so for a Harbor Freight metal bandsaw considering I'm doing a full QB kit. Will it be worth it? If it'll only save me a few hours I'll stick with the hacksaw. I'm making a serious effort to keep the tool budget under control. ~Paul 9A #1176 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:48:59 AM PST US From: Walter Tondu Subject: RV-List: DAR Inspection Video --> RV-List message posted by: Walter Tondu The latest video. Boy did I have fun making this, and getting my cert too. http://www.rv7-a.com/videos/N447RV_DAR_Inspection.wmv BTW, for those of you still undecided about who you want to use for your DAR, I recommend Gary Sobek. As you can see from the video, he's serious about the inpection and he's definitely thorough. Not only that but you'll learn a bunch and get some great tips too. -- Walter Tondu http://www.rv7-a.com ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:35:27 AM PST US From: bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net Subject: Re: RV-List: DAR Inspection Video --> RV-List message posted by: bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net Wow. Walter, do you do video editing for a living. This is an outstanding piece of craftsmanship. Oh, and the plane looks good too. (g) Bob St. Paul -------------- Original message -------------- > --> RV-List message posted by: Walter Tondu > > The latest video. Boy did I have fun making this, and > getting my cert too. > > http://www.rv7-a.com/videos/N447RV_DAR_Inspection.wmv > > BTW, for those of you still undecided about who you want > to use for your DAR, I recommend Gary Sobek. As you > can see from the video, he's serious about the inpection > and he's definitely thorough. Not only that but you'll > learn a bunch and get some great tips too. > -- > Walter Tondu > http://www.rv7-a.com > > Wow. Walter, do you do video editing for a living. This is an outstanding piece of craftsmanship. Oh, and the plane looks good too. (g) Bob St. Paul -------------- Original message -------------- -- RV-List message posted by: Walter Tondu The latest video. Boy did I have fun making this, and getting my cert too. http://www.rv7-a.com/videos/N447RV_DAR_Inspection.wmv BTW, for those of you still undecided about who you want to use for your DAR, I recommend Gary Sobek. As you can see from the video, he's serious about the inpection and he's definitely thorough. Not only that but you'll learn a bunch and get some great tips too. -- Walter Tondu http://www.rv7-a.com ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:55:56 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: Re: Metal bandsaw for QB kit? From: "Glaeser, Dennis A" --> RV-List message posted by: "Glaeser, Dennis A" Lowe's, has a metal cutting blade for the 9" bandsaws (in the 'aircraft tooling' section - where I got my cheap 9" bandsaw :-) It works great on the light stock we need to cut. Be sure to set-up the blade guides correctly (mine needed significant adjustment out of the box) and position the guide as low as reasonable. Dennis Glaeser 7A Empennage --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht > So, in the last week I have moved into my new place, setup the shop including plumbing the air lines, building my Checkoway-esque wing cradle, organizing tools, etc., etc., etc., and inventoried the whole kit. I am finally starting on the empennage. Woohoo! I have a (cheap) Ryobi 9" bandsaw which I am expecting will more or less suck for cutting Al stock (with wood the blade wanders across three counties). I'm wondering if I ought to invest the $200 or so for a Harbor Freight metal bandsaw considering I'm doing a full QB kit. Will it be worth it? If it'll only save me a few hours I'll stick with the hacksaw. I'm making a serious effort to keep the tool budget under control. ~Paul 9A #1176 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:15:25 AM PST US From: Joseph Larson Subject: Re: RV-List: Metal bandsaw for QB kit? --> RV-List message posted by: Joseph Larson > Paul Folbrecht wrote: > > I have a (cheap) Ryobi 9" bandsaw which I am expecting will more or > less > suck for cutting Al stock (with wood the blade wanders across three > counties). I'm wondering if I ought to invest the $200 or so for a > Harbor Freight metal bandsaw considering I'm doing a full QB kit. Will > it be worth it? If it'll only save me a few hours I'll stick with the > hacksaw. I'm making a serious effort to keep the tool budget under > control. I have a -6A, so your milage may vary. So far, I've very heavily used my floor-mounted drill press. If you don't have one, I really think you'll want one. I use my band saw, and I'm happy I got it, but it doesn't get used as often as the drill press. As others have suggested, you could try the Ryobi, but the reason to use a band saw is to get better cuts than you'd get with a hack saw. It sounds like that's NOT the results you get with the Ryobi. My personal feeling is that you don't want to be cursing the tools you are using. If the tool doesn't work properly, don't use it. I can't comment on a modern QB kick. If you asked about an old -6A, I'd tell you that you would want a reliable band saw. Judging by the level of completeness of the QB, and a modern kit, I suspect you can get by with the tools you have. If you have any nasty cutting jobs, you could always get together with another builder in your area with other tools. -Joe ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:19:50 AM PST US From: "Terry Watson" Subject: RE: RV-List: DAR Inspection Video --> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" Outstanding! If the airplane is as well done as the video it should win some awards. Terry Do not archive. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Walter Tondu Subject: RV-List: DAR Inspection Video --> RV-List message posted by: Walter Tondu The latest video. Boy did I have fun making this, and getting my cert too. http://www.rv7-a.com/videos/N447RV_DAR_Inspection.wmv BTW, for those of you still undecided about who you want to use for your DAR, I recommend Gary Sobek. As you can see from the video, he's serious about the inpection and he's definitely thorough. Not only that but you'll learn a bunch and get some great tips too. -- Walter Tondu http://www.rv7-a.com ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:36:59 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Painting the canopy From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" I just glued them on. Just as you describe, cleco to get the fit, then glue as you did the canopy. Then finish off the rear. Mike Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Mickey Coggins [mailto:mick-matronics@rv8.ch] Subject: Re: RV-List: Painting the canopy Hi Mike, Related topic - how are you attaching the canopy skirts? I've glued on my canopy, so obviously I don't want to drill a lot of holes in the canopy for the skirts, but gluing on the skirts seems to be rather tricky. The main problem I see is that there is a lot of work done with the skirts just clecoed on, then the skirts are removed, modified, re-clecoed, etc. Glue is kind of a one way street. Thanks for any hints! -- Mickey Coggins http://www.rv8.ch/ #82007 finishing ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:42:18 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: DAR Inspection Video From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" Loved it!. The music was great and I know the abDAR which made it even funnier.I was cracking up the whole time. Well done. Mike Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Walter Tondu Subject: RV-List: DAR Inspection Video --> RV-List message posted by: Walter Tondu The latest video. Boy did I have fun making this, and getting my cert too. http://www.rv7-a.com/videos/N447RV_DAR_Inspection.wmv BTW, for those of you still undecided about who you want to use for your DAR, I recommend Gary Sobek. As you can see from the video, he's serious about the inpection and he's definitely thorough. Not only that but you'll learn a bunch and get some great tips too. -- Walter Tondu http://www.rv7-a.com ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:48:43 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Metal bandsaw for QB kit? From: "" --> RV-List message posted by: "" Paul, I'm a firm believer in you need the right tools for the job. Having said that, the ryobi w/ 9" metal bandsaw will work. It will go through excessive amounts of blades (and won't cut straight), but it will work. If you have an extra $150 lying around, I would highly recommend the Harbor Freigh metal bandsaw. Works 10x better in my opinion. Scott7A Fuse here in 2 weeks--- On Wed 07/06, Paul Folbrecht paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com wrote:From: Paul Folbrecht [mailto: paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com]To: rv-list@matronics.comDate: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 09:29:05 -0500Subject: RV-List: Metal bandsaw for QB kit?-- RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht So, in the last week I have moved into my new place, setup the shop including plumbing the air lines, building my Checkoway-esque wing cradle, organizing tools, etc., etc., etc., and inventoried the whole kit. I am finally starting on the empennage. Woohoo!I have a (cheap) Ryobi 9" bandsaw which I am expecting will more or less ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:48:48 AM PST US From: Paul Folbrecht Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Metal bandsaw for QB kit? --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht Thx for this and the other posts; I will try a metal-cutting blade on the Ryobi. Sounds like that will work fine. do not archive Glaeser, Dennis A wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Glaeser, Dennis A" > >Lowe's, has a metal cutting blade for the 9" bandsaws (in the 'aircraft >tooling' section - where I got my cheap 9" bandsaw :-) >It works great on the light stock we need to cut. Be sure to set-up the >blade guides correctly (mine needed significant adjustment out of the >box) and position the guide as low as reasonable. > >Dennis Glaeser >7A Empennage > > --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht >%20kit?&replyto200507061431.j66EVYQE020381@mail.matronics.com> > > > So, in the last week I have moved into my new place, setup the >shop > including plumbing the air lines, building my Checkoway-esque >wing > cradle, organizing tools, etc., etc., etc., and inventoried the >whole > kit. I am finally starting on the empennage. Woohoo! > > I have a (cheap) Ryobi 9" bandsaw which I am expecting will more >or less > suck for cutting Al stock (with wood the blade wanders across >three > counties). I'm wondering if I ought to invest the $200 or so >for a > Harbor Freight metal bandsaw considering I'm doing a full QB >kit. Will > it be worth it? If it'll only save me a few hours I'll stick >with the > hacksaw. I'm making a serious effort to keep the tool budget >under control. > > ~Paul > 9A #1176 > > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 11:21:02 AM PST US From: "Bob C. " Subject: Re: RV-List: Metal bandsaw for QB kit? --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob C. " Paul, One tool that I use more than I thought I would is the ScotchBrite Wheel . . . I got mine from Van's . . . they're not inexpensive . . . but I've found that when cutting something out with either snips or the bandsaw . . . I'll err on the side of leaving the cut a little generous and then dress it up on the Belt/Disc Sander and/or the ScotchBrite Wheel. Regards, Bob On 7/6/05, Paul Folbrecht wrote: > > --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht > > So, in the last week I have moved into my new place, setup the shop > including plumbing the air lines, building my Checkoway-esque wing > cradle, organizing tools, etc., etc., etc., and inventoried the whole > kit. I am finally starting on the empennage. Woohoo! > > I have a (cheap) Ryobi 9" bandsaw which I am expecting will more or less > suck for cutting Al stock (with wood the blade wanders across three > counties). I'm wondering if I ought to invest the $200 or so for a > Harbor Freight metal bandsaw considering I'm doing a full QB kit. Will > it be worth it? If it'll only save me a few hours I'll stick with the > hacksaw. I'm making a serious effort to keep the tool budget under > control. > > ~Paul > 9A #1176 > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 11:38:01 AM PST US From: Chris W <1qazxsw23edcvfr45tgbnhy67ujm@cox.net> Subject: Re: RV-List: Painting the canopy --> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <1qazxsw23edcvfr45tgbnhy67ujm@cox.net> Hal Kempthorne wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Hal Kempthorne > > >N67BT@aol.com wrote: >Anyway, I bought some satin black Krylon Fusion spray paint............ I plan to use it. > > > BIG MISTAKE! > > Probably the most useful post I've ever seen on the RV List! In case it's not obvious, that was meant to be sarcastic. do not archive -- Chris W Gift Giving Made Easy Get the gifts you want & give the gifts they want http://thewishzone.com ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 11:55:24 AM PST US From: Hal Kempthorne Subject: RE: RV-List: Painting the canopy --> RV-List message posted by: Hal Kempthorne Clag on any old stuff, why should I care? Cee Bailey's Aircraft Plastics of Long Beach provides a list of solvents that damage acrylic plastic windows. Plexiglas is acrylic and so are our canopies. I just looked at a dozen rattle cans to see what solvents are used in those paints. **ALL** contained one or more of the solvents on that list. Most commonly are xylene, acetone and toluene. Google-ing, I found one experienced person who said most alcohols are destructive. Another said never use solvent based paints (he means organic solvents). Another recommended water based acrylic paint. Laquer thinner is bad as is MEK and carbon tet. I guess gasoline is too since it contains benzene. Finally, vinyl products release a gas that is destructive so no vinyl glare shield covers. Just because the acrylic is not damaged immediately does not mean it won't craze or crack in the future. I don't understand people who will slop on unknown goop on something as expensive in dollars and labor. Hal Kempthorne RV6-a N7HK 185 hours ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 12:11:53 PM PST US From: Paul Folbrecht Subject: Re: RV-List: Metal bandsaw for QB kit? --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht I've got one of those. I went with teh Avery kit w/some extras. (And got a Tatco squeezer instead of their cause it's way better and I have no pnuematic squeezer.) Bob C. wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob C. " > >Paul, > One tool that I use more than I thought I would is the ScotchBrite Wheel . >. . I got mine from Van's . . . they're not inexpensive . . . but I've found >that when cutting something out with either snips or the bandsaw . . . I'll >err on the side of leaving the cut a little generous and then dress it up on >the Belt/Disc Sander and/or the ScotchBrite Wheel. > Regards, >Bob > > On 7/6/05, Paul Folbrecht wrote: > > >>--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht >> >>So, in the last week I have moved into my new place, setup the shop >>including plumbing the air lines, building my Checkoway-esque wing >>cradle, organizing tools, etc., etc., etc., and inventoried the whole >>kit. I am finally starting on the empennage. Woohoo! >> >>I have a (cheap) Ryobi 9" bandsaw which I am expecting will more or less >>suck for cutting Al stock (with wood the blade wanders across three >>counties). I'm wondering if I ought to invest the $200 or so for a >>Harbor Freight metal bandsaw considering I'm doing a full QB kit. Will >>it be worth it? If it'll only save me a few hours I'll stick with the >>hacksaw. I'm making a serious effort to keep the tool budget under >>control. >> >>~Paul >>9A #1176 >> >> >> >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 12:21:42 PM PST US From: Mark Grieve Subject: Re: RV-List: Metal bandsaw for QB kit? --> RV-List message posted by: Mark Grieve Paul, If the blade is wandering, you may need to tune the saw. I bought a 3 wheel Craftsman at a great discount because it didn't cut straight. Every single adjustment on the saw was wrong! A new blade and 30 minutes work is all it needed. Make sure the blade guides are set nice and close and that will help a lot. First thing you will make for a 9A is the mounting brackets. Remember to make a left and a right, not two of the same. Mark Helped build 2 9A tails Do not archive Paul Folbrecht wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht > >So, in the last week I have moved into my new place, setup the shop >including plumbing the air lines, building my Checkoway-esque wing >cradle, organizing tools, etc., etc., etc., and inventoried the whole >kit. I am finally starting on the empennage. Woohoo! > >I have a (cheap) Ryobi 9" bandsaw which I am expecting will more or less >suck for cutting Al stock (with wood the blade wanders across three >counties). I'm wondering if I ought to invest the $200 or so for a >Harbor Freight metal bandsaw considering I'm doing a full QB kit. Will >it be worth it? If it'll only save me a few hours I'll stick with the >hacksaw. I'm making a serious effort to keep the tool budget under control. > >~Paul >9A #1176 > > > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 12:54:06 PM PST US From: Joseph Larson Subject: Re: RV-List: Painting the canopy --> RV-List message posted by: Joseph Larson This was a MUCH better post and explained your thinking very well. I found the info presented informative, especially as you explained not only that the paints can damage the canopy, but how you came to that conclusion. -Joe Do not archive On Jul 6, 2005, at 1:54 PM, Hal Kempthorne wrote: > Clag on any old stuff, why should I care? > > Cee Bailey's Aircraft Plastics of Long Beach provides a list of > solvents that damage acrylic plastic windows. Plexiglas is acrylic > and so are our canopies. > > I just looked at a dozen rattle cans to see what solvents are used > in those paints. **ALL** contained one or more of the solvents on > that list. Most commonly are xylene, acetone and toluene. > > Google-ing, I found one experienced person who said most alcohols > are destructive. Another said never use solvent based paints (he > means organic solvents). Another recommended water based acrylic > paint. Laquer thinner is bad as is MEK and carbon tet. I guess > gasoline is too since it contains benzene. Finally, vinyl products > release a gas that is destructive so no vinyl glare shield covers. > > Just because the acrylic is not damaged immediately does not mean > it won't craze or crack in the future. I don't understand people > who will slop on unknown goop on something as expensive in dollars > and labor. > > Hal Kempthorne > > RV6-a N7HK 185 hours ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 12:57:41 PM PST US From: Paul Folbrecht Subject: Re: RV-List: Metal bandsaw for QB kit? --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht I have a (surprise) Ryobi 10" drill press. I am pretty sure that should be just fine for my needs. Still weighing new blade for the Ryobi vs. HF metal band saw. Now on sale for $170. do not archive >I have a -6A, so your milage may vary. So far, I've very heavily used >my floor-mounted drill press. If you don't have one, I really think >you'll >want one. > >I use my band saw, and I'm happy I got it, but it doesn't get used as >often as the drill press. > >As others have suggested, you could try the Ryobi, but the reason to >use a band saw is to get better cuts than you'd get with a hack saw. >It sounds like that's NOT the results you get with the Ryobi. My >personal feeling is that you don't want to be cursing the tools you >are using. If the tool doesn't work properly, don't use it. > >I can't comment on a modern QB kick. If you asked about an old >-6A, I'd tell you that you would want a reliable band saw. Judging by >the level of completeness of the QB, and a modern kit, I suspect you >can get by with the tools you have. > >If you have any nasty cutting jobs, you could always get together >with another builder in your area with other tools. > >-Joe > > > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 01:38:03 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Metal bandsaw for QB kit? From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" --> RV-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" Paul, Try the existing bandsaw with the existing blade first. Odds are it will be fine. I picked up the HF 12" $99 cheapo and the wood blade it came with cuts AL better than it cuts wood. You aren't going to cut steel with it but it's probably more than adequate for what we do. Michael Sausen -10 #352 Tailcone -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Folbrecht Subject: Re: RV-List: Metal bandsaw for QB kit? --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht I have a (surprise) Ryobi 10" drill press. I am pretty sure that should be just fine for my needs. Still weighing new blade for the Ryobi vs. HF metal band saw. Now on sale for $170. do not archive >I have a -6A, so your milage may vary. So far, I've very heavily used >my floor-mounted drill press. If you don't have one, I really think >you'll want one. > >I use my band saw, and I'm happy I got it, but it doesn't get used as >often as the drill press. > >As others have suggested, you could try the Ryobi, but the reason to >use a band saw is to get better cuts than you'd get with a hack saw. >It sounds like that's NOT the results you get with the Ryobi. My >personal feeling is that you don't want to be cursing the tools you are >using. If the tool doesn't work properly, don't use it. > >I can't comment on a modern QB kick. If you asked about an old -6A, >I'd tell you that you would want a reliable band saw. Judging by the >level of completeness of the QB, and a modern kit, I suspect you can >get by with the tools you have. > >If you have any nasty cutting jobs, you could always get together with >another builder in your area with other tools. > >-Joe > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 01:39:08 PM PST US From: "George Inman" Subject: RV-List: Fuel inj. exhaust heat muff --> RV-List message posted by: "George Inman" I have a O-360 with Bendix fuel inj. in my RV-8 The vetterman exhaust supplied by Van's is the type that crossovers behind the throttle unit The problem is that there is no straight tailpipe long enough for a heat muff. What have others done to supply cabin heat. GEORGE H. INMAN ghinman@mts.net CELL 204 799 7062 HOME 204 287 8334 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 01:41:44 PM PST US From: PJ Seipel Subject: Re: RV-List: Metal bandsaw for QB kit? --> RV-List message posted by: PJ Seipel Unless your Ryobi is REALLY terrible, I'd forget the HF one. If you're going to spend the money go buy a good one that wasn't made in China, has adjustable wheels and blade tracking, and that takes standard length blades. The band saw I got from HF works, but eats blades rather quickly and is a real bear to adjust properly. PJ Paul Folbrecht wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht > >I have a (surprise) Ryobi 10" drill press. I am pretty sure that should >be just fine for my needs. > >Still weighing new blade for the Ryobi vs. HF metal band saw. Now on >sale for $170. > >do not archive > > > >>I have a -6A, so your milage may vary. So far, I've very heavily used >>my floor-mounted drill press. If you don't have one, I really think >>you'll >>want one. >> >>I use my band saw, and I'm happy I got it, but it doesn't get used as >>often as the drill press. >> >>As others have suggested, you could try the Ryobi, but the reason to >>use a band saw is to get better cuts than you'd get with a hack saw. >>It sounds like that's NOT the results you get with the Ryobi. My >>personal feeling is that you don't want to be cursing the tools you >>are using. If the tool doesn't work properly, don't use it. >> >>I can't comment on a modern QB kick. If you asked about an old >>-6A, I'd tell you that you would want a reliable band saw. Judging by >>the level of completeness of the QB, and a modern kit, I suspect you >>can get by with the tools you have. >> >>If you have any nasty cutting jobs, you could always get together >>with another builder in your area with other tools. >> >>-Joe >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 01:54:38 PM PST US From: CBRxxDRV@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Garmin -396 --> RV-List message posted by: CBRxxDRV@aol.com Check out www.garmin.com The new Garmin-396 with XM-weather. Just thought I would pass this along, I was on the site earlier and triped over this. Looks like a 196/296 but XM-able. Gee looks like it came out for OshKosh :) RV-4 RV-8 QB .... Fuselage (canoe) Sal Capra Lakeland, FL My Home Page ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 03:06:27 PM PST US From: "George Inman" Subject: RV-List: Bolts for Bendix throtle unit --> RV-List message posted by: "George Inman" I need to know what bolts to use to bolt the bendix throttle unit to the oil pan,and the filter box to the throttle unit? These are coarse thread and AN bolts do not work.Also I would like to find bolts with drilled head for safety wire. GEORGE H. INMAN ghinman@mts.net CELL 204 799 7062 HOME 204 287 8334 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 03:23:10 PM PST US From: "Kyle Boatright" Subject: Re: RV-List: acoustical and thremal insuluation --> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen and Robert Brown" Subject: Re: RV-List: acoustical and thremal insuluation > --> RV-List message posted by: "Karen and Robert Brown" > > > Aircraft Spruce has a free booklet (p/n 09-42755) in their catalog that > discusses the details of insulating an aircraft, giving several options. > I'd recommend starting there. On my 7A, I used the sandwich technique > described in the book and made templates to fit each area of skin in the > airplane. These sandwiches are foam/aluminum foil/foam, put together with > spray on contact cement. I will have about 2" of this material (3 or 4 > sandwiches) on the firewall, about 1" everywhere else. I put it on all > metal surfaces that are not occupied with something else, including > subpanel areas, behind the baggage bulkhead and areas in the tail. Total > weight to the airplane is about 10 pounds. I used the 1/4" "Super > Soundproofing Sheet" foam from Spruce (p/n 42720). That makes one > "sandwich" a little thicker than 1/2" once the foil is put in. I've > sprayed contact cement lightly to the aluminum to attach these. You can > still rip em out if you want to, but they are attached more pe! > rmanently than velcro. The plane isn't flying yet, but there is an > incredible difference just being inside it and working...it's like a sound > studio. > > Bob Brown > RV7A - wingtip lights/waiting on engine Bob, You may want to investigate some other attachment method than spray on contact adhesive. My experience is that it does not hold up well against the firewall. In fact, I've re-attached the insulation on my RV-6 firewall a couple of times over the course of 300 and something flight hours. Standing on my head in the footwell re-attaching insulation ranks about a 10 on the misery index... KB ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 04:51:00 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Metal bandsaw for QB kit? From: "" --> RV-List message posted by: "" Paul, I think people are mixing apples and oranges when talking about the Harbor Freight saw. There is a regular wood bandsaw that is very similar to the Ryobi, and there is a metal bandsaw that is very different. The metal bandsaw works excellent. The Ryobi (and other wood bandsaws) typically spin way too fast. The subject saw is frequently on sale for $150. I had to replace blades on the Ryobi every other week until I got the HF metal bandsaw model. Link below.... http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=37151 Scott--- On Wed 07/06, Paul Folbrecht paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com wrote:From: Paul Folbrecht [mailto: paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com]To: rv-list@matronics.comDate: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 14:54:41 -0500Subject: Re: RV-List: Metal bandsaw for QB kit?-- RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht I have a (surprise) Ryobi 10" drill press. I am pretty sure that should be just fine for my needs.Still weighing new blade for the Ryobi vs. HF metal band saw. Now on sale for $170.do not archiveI have a -6A, so your milage may vary. So far, I've very heavily usedmy floor-mounted drill press. If you don't have one, I really think you'llwant one.I use my band saw, and I'm happy I got it, but it doesn't get used asoften as the drill press.As others have suggested, you could try the Ryobi, but the reason touse a band saw is to get better cuts than you'd get with a hack saw.It sounds like that's NOT the results you get with the Ryobi. Mypersonal feeling is that you don't want to be cursing the tools youare using. If the tool doesn't work properly, don't use it.I can't comment on a modern QB kick. If you asked about an old-6A, I'd tell you that you would want a reliable band saw. Judging bythe level of completeness of the QB, and a modern kit, I suspect youcan get by with the tools you have.If you have any nasty cutting jobs, you could always get ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 05:22:57 PM PST US From: "RV6 Flyer" Subject: RE: RV-List: DAR Inspection Video --> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer" Walter: Thanks for the plug. I did not know that I am that FAT. I knew that Dave Richardson was video taping but did not know he taped that much. As you can tell, I concentrate on my inspection as much as I do when I fly formation. I want everyone to know that the airplane is built as well as the video was done. I am going to forward a copy of the video to my mother. Gary A. Sobek "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell, 1,694 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA http://SoCAL_WVAF.rvproject.com ----Original Message Follows---- From: Walter Tondu Subject: RV-List: DAR Inspection Video --> RV-List message posted by: Walter Tondu The latest video. Boy did I have fun making this, and getting my cert too. http://www.rv7-a.com/videos/N447RV_DAR_Inspection.wmv BTW, for those of you still undecided about who you want to use for your DAR, I recommend Gary Sobek. As you can see from the video, he's serious about the inpection and he's definitely thorough. Not only that but you'll learn a bunch and get some great tips too. -- Walter Tondu http://www.rv7-a.com ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 05:44:09 PM PST US From: linn walters Subject: Re: RV-List: Metal bandsaw for QB kit? --> RV-List message posted by: linn walters Paul (and other bandsaw owners), a bandsaw that's set up right won't wander .... unless it's a really cheap ..... and I don't think the Ryobi fits that category. Look at the head, where the guide wheels are, and you'll see three screws, two at the side and one at the back. These set the 'track' of the bandsaw blade. Different blades will have different thicknesses, and the screws on the side will push the guide bars in towards the blade to 'straighten' it up. The screw at the back of the blade is used to keep the sawblade teeth out of those guide bars! So, a little tweaking here and there should remove the wandering from your bandsaw. Take your time and do not overtighten. Linn -- ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 06:03:14 PM PST US From: Subject: RV-List: Arlington NW EAA airshow --> RV-List message posted by: Katie and I are up here at Arlington for the NW EAA fly in. The front that came through last night kept a lot of rvs away. We go in last night around 4pm and it started raining on us before we got unpacked. There are only 3 rvs in the rv parking area now. There were a lot more but they were all members of the local Blackjack squadron and left in the afternoon. They did a very nice formation flyover. The hottest thing I have seen here today is the Garmin 396. Its a 296 on steroids. It has a built in XM radio, so it has the music etc and also shows real time weather from the XM on the screen both in graphical and text format. It was so neat to pull up the current Metar or forecast for any airport you put your cursor over. It also has a current winds aloft screen that overlays the terrain or you can see it by elevation. The cursor really moves fast over the screen unlike my Garmin GPS III pilot that takes a long time. The screen is a lot brighter than the 296 screen. It also receives data from the Garmin 330 so can display traffic. It also has the approaches built in. Current Weather, Music, Traffic, Terrain and Obstructions all in one handheld for $2500. Supposed to be shipping by Oshkosh or soon after. Oh, it also shows all the current TFRs on the terrain screen and you can click on them and read the data about them. No more missing a TFR cause it happened after the last time you checked. This handheld sets a new standard. Wonder if anyone else will come up with anything close at Oshkosh? Also Chuck and Jerry were demonstrating their new Trio Avionics altitude hold. Way cool. Supposed to be shipping real soon. Seattle Avionics was showing their new Voyager flight planning software and offering a competitive discount to change over from your current software. We have been using Destination Direct for several years but they seem to not be doing any updates anymore so decided to switch to the Voyager software. http://www.seattleavionics.com/products.shtml Regards, Tom and Katie in Arlington ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 06:30:13 PM PST US From: Henry Hochberg Subject: Re: RV-List: Garmin -396 --> RV-List message posted by: Henry Hochberg The 396 is on display at the Arlington airshow. I didn't go into the booth but they have a big sign advertising to come in and have a look-see. I'll pop in on Sat and give a report if it's reportable type stuff. Plenty of RV's on hand at opening day. A RV-10 came up from Van's in OR. Weather was poopy though so attendance was down. Henry H. CBRxxDRV@aol.com wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: CBRxxDRV@aol.com > >Check out www.garmin.com >The new Garmin-396 with XM-weather. > >Just thought I would pass this along, I was on the site earlier and >triped over this. Looks like a 196/296 but XM-able. >Gee looks like it came out for OshKosh :) > > >RV-4 >RV-8 QB .... Fuselage (canoe) > > >Sal Capra >Lakeland, FL > My Home Page > > > > ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 06:47:48 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Metal bandsaw for QB kit? From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" --> RV-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" No, I'm talking about a benchtop HF bandsaw (similar to the ryobi's) that is variable speed, 12" throat, and I have yet to change the blade, that regularly goes on sale for $99. It also seems to work better at higher speeds (2645 fpm) which tends to make me think the Ryobi will be fine. My only suggestion is try it before you buy a new one. YMMV > Michael ________________________________ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Subject: Re: RV-List: Metal bandsaw for QB kit? --> RV-List message posted by: "" Paul, I think people are mixing apples and oranges when talking about the Harbor Freight saw. There is a regular wood bandsaw that is very similar to the Ryobi, and there is a metal bandsaw that is very different. The metal bandsaw works excellent. The Ryobi (and other wood bandsaws) typically spin way too fast. The subject saw is frequently on sale for $150. I had to replace blades on the Ryobi every other week until I got the HF metal bandsaw model. Link below.... http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber37151 Scott--- On Wed 07/06, Paul Folbrecht paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com wrote:From: Paul Folbrecht [mailto: paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com]To: rv-list@matronics.comDate: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 14:54:41 -0500Subject: Re: RV-List: Metal bandsaw for QB kit?-- RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht I have a (surprise) Ryobi 10" drill press. I am pretty sure that should be just fine for my needs.Still weighing new blade for the Ryobi vs. HF metal band saw. Now on sale for $170.do not archiveI have a -6A, so your milage may vary. So far, I've very heavily usedmy floor-mounted drill press. If you don't have one, I really think you'llwant one.I use my band saw, and I'm happy I got it, but it doesn't get used asoften as the drill press.As others have suggested, you could try the Ryobi, but the reason touse a band saw is to get better cuts than you'd get with a hack saw.It sounds like that's NOT the results you get with the Ryobi. Mypersonal feeling is that you don't want to be cursing the tools youare using. If the tool doesn't work properly, don't use it.I can't comment on a modern QB kick. If you asked about an old-6A, I'd tell you that you would want a reliable band saw. Judging bythe level of completeness of the QB, and a modern kit, I suspect youcan get by with the tools you have.If you have any nasty cutting jobs, you could always get ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 07:06:08 PM PST US From: "Bob Collins" Subject: RE: RV-List: Metal bandsaw for QB kit? --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" I bought this bandsaw because Dan Checkoway did and he's my RV hero (g). Seriously, it has worked very well. I've been through two blades but that's my fault. The only problem I have is it's a real pain in the neck to find a 62" bandsaw blade that cuts metal. But I also think if a blade is wandering, then a previous poster was correct. It sounds tome like the tracking AND the tension are not properly set. Bob St. Paul Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen) Subject: RE: RV-List: Metal bandsaw for QB kit? --> RV-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" --> No, I'm talking about a benchtop HF bandsaw (similar to the ryobi's) that is variable speed, 12" throat, and I have yet to change the blade, that regularly goes on sale for $99. It also seems to work better at higher speeds (2645 fpm) which tends to make me think the Ryobi will be fine. My only suggestion is try it before you buy a new one. YMMV > Michael ________________________________ ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 08:12:30 PM PST US From: N67BT@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Painting the canopy --> RV-List message posted by: N67BT@aol.com hal_kempthorne@sbcglobal.net writes: <> Well, that got my attention. hal_kempthorne@sbcglobal.net writes: <> This is exactly why I value this list so much. I try to research unknowns, reduce them down, and try to arrive at some sort of logical conclusion. I sure don't want to do any clagging -- so all info and opinions from you folks are indeed welcome. I do wonder though why a large company that develops and produces a paint, especially for plastic, would not have thought of the ramifications of application to acrylic. I also wonder how we get away with applying epoxy resin directly to the windscreen without historical consequences. It contains benzyl alcohol, TETL, TETL with phenol/formaldehyde, hydroxybenzene, and many other chemicals. Are these not a factor? Thanks Hal, I'll take another look at this. I think you care. Bob Trumpfheller ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 08:33:14 PM PST US From: Jason Beaver Subject: Re: RV-List: Metal bandsaw for QB kit? --> RV-List message posted by: Jason Beaver The other thing to look at is the blade tension spring. If the spring is worn, it won't put the correct tension on the blade even if the blade tension adjustment screw is set appropriately for the blade width. A blade that is too loose will not only wander, but will slip on the drive wheel. jason On Jul 6, 2005, at 5:45 PM, linn walters wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: linn walters > > Paul (and other bandsaw owners), a bandsaw that's set up right won't > wander .... unless it's a really cheap ..... and I don't think the > Ryobi > fits that category. Look at the head, where the guide wheels are, and > you'll see three screws, two at the side and one at the back. > These set > the 'track' of the bandsaw blade. Different blades will have > different > thicknesses, and the screws on the side will push the guide bars in > towards the blade to 'straighten' it up. The screw at the back of the > blade is used to keep the sawblade teeth out of those guide bars! > So, a > little tweaking here and there should remove the wandering from your > bandsaw. Take your time and do not overtighten. > Linn > > > -- > > ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 09:10:18 PM PST US From: "Nick Nafsinger" Subject: RE: RV-List: Garmin -396 --> RV-List message posted by: "Nick Nafsinger" I hope it's as nice as it looks.... Ordered mine this morning. I'll give a full report as soon as it is in my hands. Which I guess means my 196 is now for sale, anyone interested? Nick -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Henry Hochberg Subject: Re: RV-List: Garmin -396 --> RV-List message posted by: Henry Hochberg The 396 is on display at the Arlington airshow. I didn't go into the booth but they have a big sign advertising to come in and have a look-see. I'll pop in on Sat and give a report if it's reportable type stuff. Plenty of RV's on hand at opening day. A RV-10 came up from Van's in OR. Weather was poopy though so attendance was down. Henry H. CBRxxDRV@aol.com wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: CBRxxDRV@aol.com > >Check out www.garmin.com >The new Garmin-396 with XM-weather. > >Just thought I would pass this along, I was on the site earlier and >triped over this. Looks like a 196/296 but XM-able. >Gee looks like it came out for OshKosh :) > > >RV-4 >RV-8 QB .... Fuselage (canoe) > > >Sal Capra >Lakeland, FL > My Home Page > > > > -- -- ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 09:20:37 PM PST US From: "Marty" "'RV-8 List \(Yahoo\)'" , "'RV-8 List \(Matronics\)'" Subject: RV-List: RV Grinning (finally!) --> RV-List message posted by: "Marty" Ok, it's past my bedtime, but I couldn't shut down for the night without sharing my GRIN! It all started when I finally found time to make my first EAA Chapter 1311 meeting tonight, (running an hour late after following the wrong directions and finding myself at Indianapolis (IND) instead of Hendricks Co (2R2) where I was supposed to be, but that's another story). I made my 'fashionably late' entrance and enjoyed the end of a presentation by a local insurance agent talking about the various permutations of aircraft insurance (very informative, but legalese is not my native language ). After a break for pizza, we sat down to a home video of several chapter members doing volunteer work at Oshkosh helping to set up for Airventure. During the video I got a tap on the shoulder and the magic question "Would you like to go fly?" posed to me. I looked at Jon Byrum with what must have been a look of joy that could have only been topped if he had told me I had won the lottery, which as far as I was concerned I had. He led me to the only experimental on the ramp, an absolutely gorgeous RV-7A that was built by him and Vern Sullenger. After the customary once over of where to step and where to place hands (I've been on the lists long enough to know that the canopy is a no-no for hand hold, so thanks guys for the education!) I was finally sitting in an RV. We started up and taxied out for a great sunset flight over Central Indiana. We weren't in a hurry, so an easy climb to 4500 as we turned westward to see the last of the pink horizon start to dim, the city lights and vehicle traffic going about their business so far below. He set trim as we leveled off and settled in to a cruise of 168 knots and he handed over the controls. Let me add that I don't have my private ticket yet, in fact I've only taken my introductory flight in a Cessna 152, so that is my only point of reference. As I've heard so many times before, the controls are light and very responsive. If I even thought about banking or changing pitch it seemed the plane moved despite the fact that I was sure the stick hadn't moved. I guess I was more anxious about handling someone else's plane with my 0 hours, because I handed control back over to him without a fight as we turned back for the airport. After a greaser of a touchdown, he taxied up to the ramp and let me out. He taxied back out and took off, waggling his wings at me as I stood there and gawked with a major grin plastered on my face. Many thanks to Chapter 1311 and especially Jon Byrum for an evening that I'll never forget, which is eventually going to cost me around 40-50,000 dollars and about five years of my life! But it'll be worth it as long as I have my very own RV when I'm done. Sorry for the long post, but I had to put it in words while the feeling was fresh, although I doubt I'll forget it anytime soon. Marty Puckett (Dang, my cheeks are going to be sore in the morning!) ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 10:08:27 PM PST US From: MLWynn@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Tablesaw? Was Metal bandsaw for QB kit? --> RV-List message posted by: MLWynn@aol.com Hi Hal, I read your note on the bandsaw discussion. I am a long-time woodworker just learning metal craft. I bought a non-ferrous saw blade for my powermatic 66. Worked really well on the rudder and elevator stiffeners. I was trimming another piece, got a kickback that sliced up about three fingers. Been very cautious about using the blade again. What's been your experience with the tablesaw? Any tips for keeping my fingertips? Regards, Michael Wynn RV-8, Empennage San Ramon, California ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 11:38:37 PM PST US From: rv6n6r@comcast.net Subject: Re: RV-List: Painting the canopy --> RV-List message posted by: rv6n6r@comcast.net [snip] > Google-ing, I found one experienced person who said most alcohols are > destructive. [and snip again] Years ago there was discussion on this list regarding what isand isn't ok to use on plexi. Isopropyl alcohol and Naptha came up from solid sources as the two 'safe' things to use. I have used both at one time or another with no apparent ill effects then, or now, 7 years after doing the canopy. Not necessarily authoritative but it's one more data point. Randall Henderson, RV-6 Hillsboro, Oregon