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1. 12:24 AM - Re: Blasphemy or what? (owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com)
2. 12:40 AM - Come Visit at Oshkosh (Paul Besing)
3. 01:17 AM - Re: Come Visit at Oshkosh (Paul Besing)
4. 02:11 AM - Re: Come Visit at Oshkosh (owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com)
5. 02:51 AM - Kitlog Pro v2.0 Answers (Paul Besing)
6. 03:32 AM - Spin-on oil filters (PGLong@aol.com)
7. 05:12 AM - I hate this!!! (Jerry Springer)
8. 05:52 AM - Re: Re: lubricating rod end bearings (Charles Rowbotham)
9. 05:56 AM - Re: Come Visit at Oshkosh (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
10. 06:47 AM - Re: I hate this!!! (Scott Bilinski)
11. 07:02 AM - Re: Re: lubricating rod end bearings (Aircraft Technical Book Company)
12. 07:13 AM - Re: Come Visit at Oshkosh (Bob Collins)
13. 07:17 AM - Re: I hate this!!! (Paul Folbrecht)
14. 07:35 AM - Re: Re: lubricating rod end bearings (Dale Ensing)
15. 07:56 AM - Re: Re: lubricating rod end bearings (linn walters)
16. 07:58 AM - Airshow tragedy (Darwin N. Barrie)
17. 08:02 AM - Re: Come Visit at Oshkosh (Paul Folbrecht)
18. 09:02 AM - Re: Re: lubricating rod end bearings (Nightingale Michael)
19. 09:59 AM - Removing cowl hinges after they have been glassed & riveted in (Richard Suffoletto)
20. 10:01 AM - RV ride needed in Washington DC/Baltimore area (Dan Checkoway)
21. 10:02 AM - Re: RV 7 Access Panel (Hull, Don)
22. 10:05 AM - Experimental midair over Delaware Bay on Sunday (Richard Dudley)
23. 10:06 AM - Re: Cabin heat from oil cooler ()
24. 10:11 AM - Re: Spin-on oil filters (John Danielson)
25. 10:15 AM - Re: Experimental midair over Delaware Bay on Sunday (sportav8r@aol.com)
26. 10:25 AM - Re: Removing cowl hinges after they have been glassed & riveted in (Paul Besing)
27. 10:25 AM - Re: Experimental midair over Delaware Bay on Sunday (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
28. 10:46 AM - Re: Re: Metal bandsaw for QB kit? (Paul Folbrecht)
29. 10:48 AM - Re: Experimental midair over Delaware Bay on Sunday (Kevin Horton)
30. 11:03 AM - Re: I hate this!!! (Mickey Coggins)
31. 11:27 AM - Re: Re: Metal bandsaw for QB kit? (Paul Folbrecht)
32. 11:36 AM - Re: Re: lubricating rod end bearings (Dale Ensing)
33. 11:41 AM - Re: Experimental midair over Delaware Bay on Sunday (linn walters)
34. 12:45 PM - Re: Removing cowl hinges after they have been glassed & riveted in (Vic Jacko)
35. 12:48 PM - Re: RV 7 Access Panel (Oliver Washburn)
36. 01:10 PM - Re: Brainstorming - priming/drying a lot of parts at once (Paul Folbrecht)
37. 02:51 PM - Re: Brainstorming - priming/drying a lot of parts at once (Richard Tasker)
38. 03:27 PM - Re: Brainstorming - priming/drying a lot of parts at once (Paul Folbrecht)
39. 04:07 PM - Re: Brainstorming - priming/drying a lot of parts at once (Richard Tasker)
40. 04:33 PM - Re: RV 7 Access Panel (Matt Johnson)
41. 05:23 PM - Re: Re: lubricating rod end bearings (Paul Parashak)
42. 05:25 PM - Re: lubricating rod end bearings (Martin Hone)
43. 05:33 PM - Re: Airshow tragedy (Alex Peterson)
44. 07:21 PM - Re: Kitlog Pro v2.0 Answers (PSILeD@aol.com)
45. 08:29 PM - Re: Brainstorming - priming/drying a lot of parts at once (Jerry Grimmonpre)
46. 08:58 PM - Glueing windscreen. (DEAN PSIROPOULOS)
47. 09:09 PM - Re: Brainstorming - priming/drying a lot of parts at once (Richard E. Tasker)
48. 09:12 PM - Re: Brainstorming - priming/drying a lot of parts at once (Jerry Springer)
49. 10:29 PM - Re: Brainstorming - priming/drying a lot of parts at once (Don Hall)
50. 10:29 PM - Re: Glueing windscreen. (gert)
51. 11:05 PM - Re: Glueing windscreen. (Mickey Coggins)
Message 1
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| Subject: | Blasphemy or what? |
--> RV-List message posted by:
There is one major difference when two sheets of metal are attached with a
round head rivet as opposed to a flush head rivet, and that is the fact that
in a flat head rivet the top sheet is dimpled, the bottom sheet is either
dimpled or countersunk. This means that the flush head rivet in a dimpled
skin works in tension only, whereas the round head rivet in a non dimpled
skin works both in tension and shear. I'd venture that over time you are a
lot more likely to get loose rivets from non dimpled skins than from dimpled
skin. As for RVs, I would not be surprised if stress calculations were
performed based on the mechanical characteristics of dimpled assemblies. If
you were to change to non dimpled assemblies, you may have to revise the
number and size of rivets used. Just my 2 cents.
Michele Delsol
RV8 - Fuselage
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Springer
> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 8:18 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Blasphemy or what?
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@comcast.net>
>
> Kevin Horton wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
> >
> >But, pulled rivets aren't as strong as solid rivets (unless you use
> >the expensive CherryMax rivets, which have fatigue life issues). So,
> >either need to decrease the rivet pitch (which won't work if you have
> >a pre-punched kit), or up the size to 1/8 inch (if that gives
> >equivalent strength to 3/32 solid rivets).
> >
> >And this would only work if you knew that you would never want to
> >sell the aircraft. You would have a very hard time selling an RV
> >with a substantial number of pulled or round headed rivets.
> >
> >Kevin Horton
> >
> >
> >
> >
> And you base that on what Kevin? BTW most of the aircraft that use
> pulled rivits do use 1/8"
> In the early 1970's I built an all metal aircraft called a Mini Coupe it
> used all steel cadium plated 1/8"
> pop rivets. I had an engine failure with the VW engine that was in it
> and ended up upside down in
> a field. Tore metal everywhere but not one rivet pulled loose. I rebuilt
> it and it was still flying up
> to about 5 years ago when the current owner made a hard landng with it.
> I know that the person
> I know that had an RV-3 with "round head rivits" did not have a problem
> selling it at all.
>
> Jerry
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Come Visit at Oshkosh |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <paul@kitlog.com>
We will have a KitLog Pro booth at Oshkosh this year. We are located in
exhibit hangar "D" in booth #4152. Come by and put a face with the name
that we all know from the RV-List.
It should be a good show this year with the EAA 50th anniversary, new sport
aircraft manufacturers, Spaceship One, etc.
Where/when are the RV gatherings taking place? Any -10 support groups?
Paul Besing
President
Aeroware Enterprises, LLC
paul@kitlog.com
www.kitlog.com
480.361.9011 Office
480.236.2786 Cell
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| Subject: | Come Visit at Oshkosh |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <paul@kitlog.com>
Don't know where the heck I got the 50th anniversary thing. It's late, and
I'm really tired. Too much software development will set your clock a
little screwy.
Anyways, look forward to a good show, anniversary or not.
Paul Besing
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Paul Besing
Subject: RV-List: Come Visit at Oshkosh
--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <paul@kitlog.com>
We will have a KitLog Pro booth at Oshkosh this year. We are located in
exhibit hangar "D" in booth #4152. Come by and put a face with the name
that we all know from the RV-List.
It should be a good show this year with the EAA 50th anniversary, new sport
aircraft manufacturers, Spaceship One, etc.
Where/when are the RV gatherings taking place? Any -10 support groups?
Paul Besing
President
Aeroware Enterprises, LLC
paul@kitlog.com
www.kitlog.com
480.361.9011 Office
480.236.2786 Cell
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| Subject: | Come Visit at Oshkosh |
--> RV-List message posted by:
I have kitlog Pro 1.6 is it possible to upgrade to 2.0 and migrate the 1.6
data?
Do you have an update price or must one buy again?
Thanks,
Michle Delsol
RV8 - Fuselage
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Besing
> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 9:39 AM
> To: Rv-List@Matronics.Com
> Subject: RV-List: Come Visit at Oshkosh
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <paul@kitlog.com>
>
> We will have a KitLog Pro booth at Oshkosh this year. We are located in
> exhibit hangar "D" in booth #4152. Come by and put a face with the name
> that we all know from the RV-List.
>
> It should be a good show this year with the EAA 50th anniversary, new
> sport
> aircraft manufacturers, Spaceship One, etc.
>
> Where/when are the RV gatherings taking place? Any -10 support groups?
>
> Paul Besing
> President
> Aeroware Enterprises, LLC
> paul@kitlog.com
> www.kitlog.com
> 480.361.9011 Office
> 480.236.2786 Cell
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Kitlog Pro v2.0 Answers |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <paul@kitlog.com>
do not archive
Sorry if this appears to be spam, but to answer many questions that I have
been receiving off the list, yes, you can now upgrade to v2.0. Our website
is not yet updated (waiting on the web designer to send up the pages).
However, the upgrade is available.
First, v2.0 requires that you have version 1.7.3 for you to convert. If you
are using anything prior to 1.7.3, you can download this update here:
www.kitlog.com/downloads/173update.exe This is a free update. Install this
update after downloading before proceeding.
Then, you can upgrade to 2.0, using this link:
www.kitlog.com/downloads/20upgrade.exe
Note: KitLog Pro v2.0 is NOT compatible with Windows 95 or Windows 98. If
you do not have Windows 2000 or XP, please do not download the upgrade.
This requirement is due to some reporting functions that KitLog now includes
that requires the newer Windows architecture. Also, this file is
approximately 77mb, so if you are on dial up access, I suggest downloading
from work or a faster connection and saving the file to a CD.
The cost to upgrade is $9.95. This is the first time we have had to charge
for an upgrade. The main reason for the charge is that KitLog was
completely redesigned by professional software developers in a new language,
with many added features, and is a MUCH cleaner product than it used to be.
Regarding the conversion, just put people's minds at ease, when KitLog
installs the new 2.0, it doesn't do anything to your old version, it just
reads it. So, when you are satisfied that all of your data has been
converted over, you can uninstall the old version of KitLog.
Paul Besing
President
Aeroware Enterprises, LLC
paul@kitlog.com
www.kitlog.com
480.361.9011 Office
480.236.2786 Cell
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]
Subject: RE: RV-List: Come Visit at Oshkosh
--> RV-List message posted by:
I have kitlog Pro 1.6 is it possible to upgrade to 2.0 and migrate the 1.6
data?
Do you have an update price or must one buy again?
Thanks,
Michle Delsol
RV8 - Fuselage
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Besing
> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 9:39 AM
> To: Rv-List@Matronics.Com
> Subject: RV-List: Come Visit at Oshkosh
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <paul@kitlog.com>
>
> We will have a KitLog Pro booth at Oshkosh this year. We are located in
> exhibit hangar "D" in booth #4152. Come by and put a face with the name
> that we all know from the RV-List.
>
> It should be a good show this year with the EAA 50th anniversary, new
> sport
> aircraft manufacturers, Spaceship One, etc.
>
> Where/when are the RV gatherings taking place? Any -10 support groups?
>
> Paul Besing
> President
> Aeroware Enterprises, LLC
> paul@kitlog.com
> www.kitlog.com
> 480.361.9011 Office
> 480.236.2786 Cell
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Spin-on oil filters |
--> RV-List message posted by: PGLong@aol.com
I like to use a disposable baby diaper under the oil filter when you change
it. They can soak up an enormous amount of oil.
Pat Long
PGLong@aol.com
N120PL
RV4
Bay City, Michigan
3CM
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--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@comcast.net>
Probably most of us have see one or both of these guys fly at one time or another.
____________
YOUNKIN, FRANKLIN DIE AT CANADIAN AIR SHOW
Bobby Younkin and Jimmy Franklin, two of the most respected and
best-loved pilots on the air show circuit died as a result of a fiery
mid air collision at an air show in the Canadian province of
Saskatchewan on Sunday. The air show was immediately cancelled. The
two were performing in the Masters of DisasterMasters of Disaster show
when their aircraft made contact in front of 20,000 people attending
the Saskatchewan Centennial Air Show at Moose Jaw, the southern
Saskatchewan community that is home to the Canadian Forces Snowbirds.
The other airborne member of the team, Jim LeRoy, landed safely.
Franklin's son Kyle, who earlier in the day performed a wing-walking
show with his dad aboard their jet-assisted Waco biplane, was at the
time of the accident reportedly describing the performance from the
announcer's booth.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: lubricating rod end bearings |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" <crowbotham@hotmail.com>
We use Corrosion X, It deals with potential corrosion and lubricates.
Chuck Rowbotham
RV-8A
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| Subject: | Come Visit at Oshkosh |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
Paul,
All of us are hashing this subject out right now over on the -10 list. We are
possibly going to meet at Vans booth around 10:30-10:45am. Still don't have
anything specific nailed down for a get together. I know of at least two customer
built -10's that will be there.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Emp Assembly
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Besing
Subject: RV-List: Come Visit at Oshkosh
--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <paul@kitlog.com>
We will have a KitLog Pro booth at Oshkosh this year. We are located in exhibit
hangar "D" in booth #4152. Come by and put a face with the name that we all
know from the RV-List.
It should be a good show this year with the EAA 50th anniversary, new sport aircraft
manufacturers, Spaceship One, etc.
Where/when are the RV gatherings taking place? Any -10 support groups?
Paul Besing
President
Aeroware Enterprises, LLC
paul@kitlog.com
www.kitlog.com
480.361.9011 Office
480.236.2786 Cell
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: I hate this!!! |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=6914b672-d419-4864-bf52-2aac7f50f3a5
At 05:14 AM 7/11/2005 -0700, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@comcast.net>
>
>Probably most of us have see one or both of these guys fly at one time or
>another.
>
>____________
>
>YOUNKIN, FRANKLIN DIE AT CANADIAN AIR SHOW
>Bobby Younkin and Jimmy Franklin, two of the most respected and
>best-loved pilots on the air show circuit died as a result of a fiery
>mid air collision at an air show in the Canadian province of
>Saskatchewan on Sunday. The air show was immediately cancelled. The
>two were performing in the Masters of DisasterMasters of Disaster show
>when their aircraft made contact in front of 20,000 people attending
>the Saskatchewan Centennial Air Show at Moose Jaw, the southern
>Saskatchewan community that is home to the Canadian Forces Snowbirds.
>The other airborne member of the team, Jim LeRoy, landed safely.
>Franklin's son Kyle, who earlier in the day performed a wing-walking
>show with his dad aboard their jet-assisted Waco biplane, was at the
>time of the accident reportedly describing the performance from the
>announcer's booth.
>
>
>do not archive
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: lubricating rod end bearings |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Aircraft Technical Book Company" <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
What is a brand name for a good teflon based spray lube that doesn't attarct
dust.
Here in Colorado and the southwestern US, dust is more of an issue than
corrosion.
Andy
>
>
> Hi Andy,
>
> I lubricate the rod end bearings annually, using one of the motorcycle
> chain
> lubes, as the lube comes out very thin and gets into the bearing before
> setting up as a semi solid. The is a range of this stuff, using teflon or
> moly-disulphide (?) available from bike shops. One I use is Maxima Chain
> Wax. In areas where dust is likely to be more of an issue, I use a
> teflon-based spray lube so that dust doesn't adhere to the bearing and
> work
> its way inside. I lube the external aileron and flap bearings every few
> months this way.
> FWIW..
>
> Martin in Oz
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Come Visit at Oshkosh |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
//Where/when are the RV gatherings taking place? Any -10 support groups?
The 7/7A get-together/BBQ is Wednesday evening.
http://home.comcast.net/~bcollinsrv7a/eaa/
Do not archive
Paul Besing
President
Aeroware Enterprises, LLC
paul@kitlog.com
www.kitlog.com
480.361.9011 Office
480.236.2786 Cell
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: I hate this!!! |
--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht <paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com>
I was looking forward to seeing the Waco at Oshkosh again this year.
What a tragedy.
do not archive
--- Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>
>
http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=6914b672-d419-4864-bf52-2aac7f50f3a5
>
>
> At 05:14 AM 7/11/2005 -0700, you wrote:
> >--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@comcast.net>
> >
> >Probably most of us have see one or both of these guys fly at one time or
> >another.
> >
> >____________
> >
> >YOUNKIN, FRANKLIN DIE AT CANADIAN AIR SHOW
> >Bobby Younkin and Jimmy Franklin, two of the most respected and
> >best-loved pilots on the air show circuit died as a result of a fiery
> >mid air collision at an air show in the Canadian province of
> >Saskatchewan on Sunday. The air show was immediately cancelled. The
> >two were performing in the Masters of DisasterMasters of Disaster show
> >when their aircraft made contact in front of 20,000 people attending
> >the Saskatchewan Centennial Air Show at Moose Jaw, the southern
> >Saskatchewan community that is home to the Canadian Forces Snowbirds.
> >The other airborne member of the team, Jim LeRoy, landed safely.
> >Franklin's son Kyle, who earlier in the day performed a wing-walking
> >show with his dad aboard their jet-assisted Waco biplane, was at the
> >time of the accident reportedly describing the performance from the
> >announcer's booth.
> >
> >
> >do not archive
> >
> >
>
>
> Scott Bilinski
> Eng dept 305
> Phone (858) 657-2536
> Pager (858) 502-5190
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: lubricating rod end bearings |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
Andy,
A Teflon spray product that I like is ZEP 45 NC made by Zep Mfg Atlanta GA.
The carrier in the product seems to evaporate cleanly. The Teflon itself
does not hold or attrach the dust. I would also suggest a moly sulfide type
product in a clean evaporating carrier. Some of the lock lubricants are of
this type. The moly sulfide tends to burnish in to the metal surface leaving
a longer lasting lube than teflon. Note: Many of the lock lubes contain
graphite which would not be my first choice.
Dale Ensing
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| Subject: | Re: lubricating rod end bearings |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
Why not use graphite??? It's a great lubricant and does not attract
dust and dirt. That's why it's in the lock lubes. Of course, it'll get
everywere and can make a mess if you use too much .... which is common.
Linn ..... just wondering.
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Dale Ensing wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
>
>Andy,
>A Teflon spray product that I like is ZEP 45 NC made by Zep Mfg Atlanta GA.
>The carrier in the product seems to evaporate cleanly. The Teflon itself
>does not hold or attrach the dust. I would also suggest a moly sulfide type
>product in a clean evaporating carrier. Some of the lock lubricants are of
>this type. The moly sulfide tends to burnish in to the metal surface leaving
>a longer lasting lube than teflon. Note: Many of the lock lubes contain
>graphite which would not be my first choice.
>Dale Ensing
>
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie" <ktlkrn@cox.net>
Here are a couple of links to the tragic airshow accident that killed two people
we have all probably seen at one time or another, Bobby Younkin and Jimmy Franklin.
The first one is a video clip. Oshkosh will have a void this year for
sure. Our thoughts to their families.
http://sympaticomsn.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1121081970546_153?hubtopstories
http://www.canada.com/nanaimo/story.html?id59942bd2-7182-465d-8f18-40dcd7798baf
Darwin N. Barrie
Chandler AZ
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| Subject: | Re: Come Visit at Oshkosh |
--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht <paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com>
What do you do to 9/9A builders that try to sneak in?
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Bob Collins wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
>
>//Where/when are the RV gatherings taking place? Any -10 support groups?
>
>The 7/7A get-together/BBQ is Wednesday evening.
>
>http://home.comcast.net/~bcollinsrv7a/eaa/
>
>Do not archive
>
>Paul Besing
>President
>Aeroware Enterprises, LLC
>paul@kitlog.com
>www.kitlog.com
>480.361.9011 Office
>480.236.2786 Cell
>
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| Subject: | Re: lubricating rod end bearings |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Nightingale Michael" <NightingaleMichaelV@JohnDeere.com>
Old HVAC trick, mix graphite in alcohol (make a very watery mixture).
Use a syringe to squirt mixture into bearing surface, the alcohol
carries in the graphite then it dissolves.
Michael V. Nightingale
@ DEERE & Co. Computer Center
400 19th ST
MOLINE, IL. 61265
309-314-6806 cell NightingaleMichaelV@JohnDeere.com
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
Antoine de Saint-Exupry
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of linn walters
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: lubricating rod end bearings
--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
Why not use graphite??? It's a great lubricant and does not attract
dust and dirt. That's why it's in the lock lubes. Of course, it'll get
everywere and can make a mess if you use too much .... which is common.
Linn ..... just wondering.
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Dale Ensing wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
>
>Andy,
>A Teflon spray product that I like is ZEP 45 NC made by Zep Mfg Atlanta
GA.
>The carrier in the product seems to evaporate cleanly. The Teflon
>itself does not hold or attrach the dust. I would also suggest a moly
>sulfide type product in a clean evaporating carrier. Some of the lock
>lubricants are of this type. The moly sulfide tends to burnish in to
>the metal surface leaving a longer lasting lube than teflon. Note: Many
>of the lock lubes contain graphite which would not be my first choice.
>Dale Ensing
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Removing cowl hinges after they have been glassed & riveted in |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard Suffoletto" <rsuffoletto@hotmail.com>
If one wanted to do away with the top and bottom cowl hinges and switch to
screws / camlocs what would be the best way to remove the hinge from the
cowl? Do you just cut off the eyes on the cowl side and drill through the
hinge body or is there a way to remove the hinges after they have been
glassed in? Seems that a lot of damage could be done to the cowl trying to
get the hinges off after they have been glassed and riveted.
I have read where other have switched to screws and camlocs. i'd be
interested to know how they dealt with the hinge on the cowl.
Thanks
Richard
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| Subject: | RV ride needed in Washington DC/Baltimore area |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
MessageIs there anybody in the Washington DC or Baltimore area who can give
a prospective RV builder a ride? If so, please contact Jeff Stanton at
jstanton@arinc.com.
Thanks!
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | RV 7 Access Panel |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Hull, Don" <Donald.C.Hull@nasa.gov>
I had the same thoughts, Phil. Has anyone ever asked Van's about this mod?
I think I remember a few years ago, someone asked Van about cutting an
access door in the side for access to the baggage compartment, and he wasn't
too keen on it, to put it mildly. Of course, this was a hinged affair which
wouldn't carry the load like a thicker skin with rivets and screws would be.
If memory serves me correctly, someone has made this
baggage-door-in-the-side mod. I'm not interested in that mod because of the
monocoque design of the fuselage. But the access panels in the top front
fuselage, because of their small size and because they would be secured with
plenty of rivets and screws, seem like a reasonable modification.
Oh me, are we stirring up another primer war???
Don
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phil Birkelbach
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV 7 Access Panel
--> RV-List message posted by: Phil Birkelbach <phil@petrasoft.net>
Just to play a little Devil's advocate. Remember that all the skins
on this bird carry some load. Consider the plate that you use for
the recess as a doubler. It needs to carry the load of all the metal
that you remove for the access cover. I'd go with a thicker piece of
metal, maybe 0.040 or even 0.062 as the recess plate. And don't
spare the rivets and screws.
Just some thoughts I'm not trying to stir anything up.
Phil
On Jul 7, 2005, at 15:44, Stan Jones wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Stan Jones" <stan.jones@xtra.co.nz>
>
> On my RV 7 Slider I am looking to get better access to some of the
> four
> module I need to install
> under the front deck. AFS Analog module, Lightspeed, etc.
> I am considering building an access panel in the front deck, over
> the 7108A
> centre rib, between
> the F7107 L and R, about 16 inches wide by 10 inches deep
> I would recess the panel, secure it with flush screws and
> nutplates, and add
> a bit of RTV to
> keep the weather out.
> Has anyone tried this before, and how did they go about it ? A
> picture can
> replace
> a thousand words.
> Stan Jones.
>
>
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| Subject: | Experimental midair over Delaware Bay on Sunday |
--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Dudley <rhdudley@att.net>
Listers,
Does anyone have any information about a midair between two experimental
planes in a formation of six?
An item in the Orlando Sentinel today said they took off from Sussex
County Airport in Georgetown.
Richard Dudley
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| Subject: | Cabin heat from oil cooler |
--> RV-List message posted by: <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
---- Marty <martorious@earthlink.net> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Marty" <martorious@earthlink.net>
>
>
>
> Not correct.
> The only setting on most American cars that recirculates interior air
> is the 'Max' setting on the air-conditioner. Most imports have a
> dedicated switch/lever/button to set whether air is fresh or
> recirculated, although recommended practice is to leave it on Fresh
> the majority of the time to prevent the air from becoming stale. On
> newer Freightliner semi-trucks (and maybe other makes as well, but I
> can't say for sure) there is an alarm that sounds after about 20
> minutes if you leave the climate controls set to recirculate.
> Marty
Marty,
Even the MAX setting on autos "times out". Most will revert the vent doors to
outside air after 20 minutes.
do not archieve
Charlie Kuss
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| Subject: | Spin-on oil filters |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Danielson" <johnd@wlcwyo.com>
That's a great idea, Thanks
John L. Danielson
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of PGLong@aol.com
Subject: RV-List: Spin-on oil filters
--> RV-List message posted by: PGLong@aol.com
I like to use a disposable baby diaper under the oil filter when you
change
it. They can soak up an enormous amount of oil.
Pat Long
PGLong@aol.com
N120PL
RV4
Bay City, Michigan
3CM
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| Subject: | Re: Experimental midair over Delaware Bay on Sunday |
--> RV-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
It's being somberly discussed on the Yahoo OVRV and MidAtlantic RV group lists
today. Read about it here:
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nationworld/bal-te.planes11jul11,1,4534928.story?coll=bal-nationworld-headlines
A very sad day. The families are in our prayers.
-Stormy
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From: Richard Dudley <rhdudley@att.net>
Subject: RV-List: Experimental midair over Delaware Bay on Sunday
--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Dudley <rhdudley@att.net>
Listers,
Does anyone have any information about a midair between two experimental
planes in a formation of six?
An item in the Orlando Sentinel today said they took off from Sussex
County Airport in Georgetown.
Richard Dudley
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| Subject: | Removing cowl hinges after they have been glassed & riveted |
in
--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <paul@kitlog.com>
Assuming you used glass and rivets, I would grind off the shop heads so you
have more room for your camlocs/nutplates. Then cut off the eyelets. You
would then be able to put an extension piece of stock on one half of the
cowl to accept the camlocs/nuplates.
I don't know if I would try to remove the bar stock from the hinges if they
are well glassed in. I drilled holes in mine so resin could seep through
and hold them on, so I don't think it would come off too easily, even if you
removed all the rivets.
Paul Besing
RV-6A Sold
Kitlog Builder's Software
www.kitlog.com
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard
Suffoletto
Subject: RV-List: Removing cowl hinges after they have been glassed &
riveted in
--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard Suffoletto"
<rsuffoletto@hotmail.com>
If one wanted to do away with the top and bottom cowl hinges and switch to
screws / camlocs what would be the best way to remove the hinge from the
cowl? Do you just cut off the eyes on the cowl side and drill through the
hinge body or is there a way to remove the hinges after they have been
glassed in? Seems that a lot of damage could be done to the cowl trying to
get the hinges off after they have been glassed and riveted.
I have read where other have switched to screws and camlocs. i'd be
interested to know how they dealt with the hinge on the cowl.
Thanks
Richard
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| Subject: | Experimental midair over Delaware Bay on Sunday |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
From the Team RV Yahoo group
===
Team,
Yesterday a tragic accident with the Vultures Formation Team out of
Delaware. These guys were talented. Our prayers to their families. We
have flown with them several times and been involved with their clinic.
Ill try and find out some details as time passes so we can learn from
them.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nationworld/bal-te.planes11jul11,1,4534
928.story?coll=bal-nationworld-headlines
http://kyw.com/Local%20News/local_story_191190635.html
http://nbc10.feedroom.com/notenabled.jsp?miss=wr&fr=071105_094615_3de050
f9x10505\67f8e2xw65b2
Kahuna
=====
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Dudley
Subject: RV-List: Experimental midair over Delaware Bay on Sunday
--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Dudley <rhdudley@att.net>
Listers,
Does anyone have any information about a midair between two experimental
planes in a formation of six?
An item in the Orlando Sentinel today said they took off from Sussex
County Airport in Georgetown.
Richard Dudley
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| Subject: | Re: Metal bandsaw for QB kit? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht <paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com>
With the stock blade anyway it sucked at cutting heavy Al stock. I fell
back on the hacksaw.
Wandered too much, and I had everything set right. It might be a
totally different saw with a metal blade, of course.
Jerry2DT@aol.com wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
>
>
>I am *mostly* done with a QB -6a, have a 9" Ryobi that has served me well.
>However, given the opportunity, I would buy one with a deeper throat, say 12",
>and the HF one at $170 might be the way to go. I have also found that if you
>keep the blade "tuned" with the adjusting wheels, it tracks much better, and
>btw, I always apply a bit of Boelube to the blade before use. So far I have
>only replaced the blade once, and that was before I found out about the
>Boelube years ago on this very list...
>
>Jerry Cochran
>Wilsonville, OR
>
>From: Paul Folbrecht <paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Metal bandsaw for QB kit?
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht <paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com>
>
>I have a (surprise) Ryobi 10" drill press. I am pretty sure that should
>be just fine for my needs.
>
>Still weighing new blade for the Ryobi vs. HF metal band saw. Now on
>sale for $170.
>
>do not archive
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Experimental midair over Delaware Bay on Sunday |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
On 11 Jul 2005, at 13:05, Richard Dudley wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Richard Dudley <rhdudley@att.net>
>
> Listers,
> Does anyone have any information about a midair between two
> experimental
> planes in a formation of six?
> An item in the Orlando Sentinel today said they took off from Sussex
> County Airport in Georgetown.
>
There was some info at the end of an article about the Bobby Younkin/
Jim Franklin accident, at:
http://www.fly-low.com/feat0705/annnew.html
It said: "In a related story, a six-ship formation flight, conducted
as practice for a Delaware airshow has apparently resulted in yet
another midair, bringing down two experimental-amateur built
aircraft. One pilot is now confirmed dead and has been identified as
Jay Blume, 39, of Berwyn, Pennsylvania, flying a Rutan-designed Long-
Ez. The other aircraft, a Van's RV-8, is registered to Ralph D.
Morgan of Rehoboth Beach, Delaware. His condition or involvement in
the actual accident has not yet been determined. All six aircraft
were members of a local formation flying team, known as the 'Vultures.'"
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
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| Subject: | Re: I hate this!!! |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
>
> http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=6914b672-d419-4864-bf52-2aac7f50f3a5
>
Very sad incident. It was a bad weekend, with the midair
over Delaware Bay yesterday.
http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050711/NEWS01/507110352/1006
The Canada.com article is very well written, at least.
My sincerest condolences to the affected friends and family.
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 finishing
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| Subject: | Re: Metal bandsaw for QB kit? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht <paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com>
Oops; I thought this had been a private mail and not the list I was
responding to. Apologies for continuing the thread.
do not archive
Paul Folbrecht wrote:
> With the stock blade anyway it sucked at cutting heavy Al stock. I
> fell back on the hacksaw.
>
> Wandered too much, and I had everything set right. It might be a
> totally different saw with a metal blade, of course.
>
> Jerry2DT@aol.com wrote:
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
>>
>>
>> I am *mostly* done with a QB -6a, have a 9" Ryobi that has served me
>> well. However, given the opportunity, I would buy one with a deeper
>> throat, say 12", and the HF one at $170 might be the way to go. I
>> have also found that if you keep the blade "tuned" with the
>> adjusting wheels, it tracks much better, and btw, I always apply a
>> bit of Boelube to the blade before use. So far I have only replaced
>> the blade once, and that was before I found out about the Boelube
>> years ago on this very list...
>>
>> Jerry Cochran
>> Wilsonville, OR
>>
>> From: Paul Folbrecht <paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: RV-List: Metal bandsaw for QB kit?
>>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht <paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com>
>>
>> I have a (surprise) Ryobi 10" drill press. I am pretty sure that
>> should be just fine for my needs.
>>
>> Still weighing new blade for the Ryobi vs. HF metal band saw. Now
>> on sale for $170.
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: lubricating rod end bearings |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
Linn,
No reason not to use graphite. It is just my least preferred choice. It does
not burnish into the metal surface as does the moly and as you pointed out
it is much more messy to use than teflon. If its going to be a black/gray
product moly has advantages over graphite.
Dale Ensing
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| Subject: | Re: Experimental midair over Delaware Bay on Sunday |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
Richard, this came from my "Grumman Gang" ...... it appears that there
were two separate mid-airs ..... the airshow accident with Bobby Younkin
and Jimmy Franklin and the formation accident with Jay Blume and Ralph
Morgan. I'm addicted to formation flying myself and understand totally
why we do it. My condolences to the families. Truly a tragic weekend.
Email at the bottom.
Linn Walters
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Richard Dudley wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Dudley <rhdudley@att.net>
>
>Listers,
>Does anyone have any information about a midair between two experimental
>planes in a formation of six?
>An item in the Orlando Sentinel today said they took off from Sussex
>County Airport in Georgetown.
>
>Richard Dudley
>
Friends, About 15 of us Grumman folks had an enjoyable and educational
weekend learning and practicing formation this past January in Milville,
NJ. This was primarily a Vultures RV Formation Team event but they
happily took us Grumman folks. Sadly, I must share that the team
experienced two fatalities in a mid-air collision while out practicing
for an upcoming airshow. Many of us met Ralph Morgan, the Vultures #2
pilot, in Milville. His wife reports that the off-shore search to
recover his body will resume within the hour (11 am). I found Ralph to
be quite a character and a super pilot. He built and flew a fantastic
RV-8, "Problem Child." His wife reports that she is comforted knowing he
left us doing what he loved and with the folks he really enjoyed being
with. God Speed Ralph & Jay! Greg Russell Cheetah N154GR Centreville, MD
---- Pilot of experimental plane dies, another missing in Delaware crash
One body recovered; craft practicing for air show Originally published
July 11, 2005 LEWES, Del. -- One pilot died and another was missing when
two small experimental planes practicing for an air show collided
yesterday above Delaware Bay near Cape Henlopen State Park, police said.
The wreckage of one plane and the body of its pilot, Jay Blume, 39, of
Berwyn, Pa., were recovered, state police said. The search for the other
pilot was called off for the evening because of a fast current and an
incoming tide, police said. It was expected to start again this morning.
Police said 15 divers had been concentrating their search on a small
area in water 15 to 30 feet deep. "The pilot is possibly still with the
plane," said Lt. Joseph Aviola, a state police spokesman. Six "homemade
kit" planes took off from Sussex County Airport in Georgetown and were
flying in formation when two collided and crashed near Breakwater
Harbor, said Petty Officer John Edwards, a Coast Guard spokesman.
Another plane, acting as a spotter, was flying behind the experimental
aircraft, police said. It wasn't immediately clear what led to the
collision or which planes were involved. Dale Beyers, 62, and his wife,
Nancy, 60, of Cape May, N.J., saw the collision while riding the ferry
to Lewes with their grandson Matt Colagreco, 15. They said they watched
the planes for about 15 minutes before the crash. Five experimental
planes and an ultralight were flying in two groups of three crossed
paths, Colagreco said. The ultralight banked in front of the plane to
its right and they collided. "The ultralight was actually spinning out
of control," Colagreco said. The plane hit by the ultralight turned over
and nosedived into the water, he said. They said they heard no noise.
"It was just like two toy planes hitting," Nancy Beyers said. Amy
Littleton, a customer service representative at the state park's ferry
terminal, said she saw the planes overhead, but didn't see the crash.
She said the planes were flying in the shape of a "V," with another
trailing behind. "They fly over every weekend," she said. Blume's plane,
a Rutan Long EZE, was registered to ACE Aero LLC of Bryn Mawr, Pa., and
the other, a Rans RV8, was registered to Ralph D. Morgan of Rehoboth
Beach, Del., said Kathleen Bergen, a spokeswoman for the Federal
Aviation Administration. She said the FAA and the National
Transportation Safety Board were investigating. The Coast Guard sent
rescue boats from Indian River, Del., and Cape May, and a rescue
helicopter from Atlantic City, N.J. State police, the Lewes Fire
Company, the Delaware River and Bay Authority, and civilian boaters also
participated in the search, Edwards said.
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in
--> RV-List message posted by: "Vic Jacko" <vicwj@earthlink.net>
I had a chance to see Tim Donham's RV-9 with camlocks. He used the hinge
material for backup on the seams.
Vic
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Suffoletto" <rsuffoletto@hotmail.com>
Subject: RV-List: Removing cowl hinges after they have been glassed &
riveted in
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Richard Suffoletto"
> <rsuffoletto@hotmail.com>
>
>
> If one wanted to do away with the top and bottom cowl hinges and switch to
> screws / camlocs what would be the best way to remove the hinge from the
> cowl? Do you just cut off the eyes on the cowl side and drill through the
> hinge body or is there a way to remove the hinges after they have been
> glassed in? Seems that a lot of damage could be done to the cowl trying to
> get the hinges off after they have been glassed and riveted.
>
> I have read where other have switched to screws and camlocs. i'd be
> interested to know how they dealt with the hinge on the cowl.
>
> Thanks
>
> Richard
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV 7 Access Panel |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Oliver Washburn" <ollie6a@earthlink.net>
My 6a was built with 4 access panels across the top and has over 1000hrs
with no problems. I didn't build the plane, so not knowing where everything
was located they have come in handy a few times. I would SURE put them in
again
Ollie 6A Central Fl.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hull, Don" <Donald.C.Hull@nasa.gov>
Subject: RE: RV-List: RV 7 Access Panel
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Hull, Don" <Donald.C.Hull@nasa.gov>
>
> I had the same thoughts, Phil. Has anyone ever asked Van's about this
> mod?
> I think I remember a few years ago, someone asked Van about cutting an
> access door in the side for access to the baggage compartment, and he
> wasn't
> too keen on it, to put it mildly. Of course, this was a hinged affair
> which
> wouldn't carry the load like a thicker skin with rivets and screws would
> be.
> If memory serves me correctly, someone has made this
> baggage-door-in-the-side mod. I'm not interested in that mod because of
> the
> monocoque design of the fuselage. But the access panels in the top front
> fuselage, because of their small size and because they would be secured
> with
> plenty of rivets and screws, seem like a reasonable modification.
> Oh me, are we stirring up another primer war???
> Don
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phil Birkelbach
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: RV 7 Access Panel
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Phil Birkelbach <phil@petrasoft.net>
>
> Just to play a little Devil's advocate. Remember that all the skins
> on this bird carry some load. Consider the plate that you use for
> the recess as a doubler. It needs to carry the load of all the metal
> that you remove for the access cover. I'd go with a thicker piece of
> metal, maybe 0.040 or even 0.062 as the recess plate. And don't
> spare the rivets and screws.
>
> Just some thoughts I'm not trying to stir anything up.
>
> Phil
>
> On Jul 7, 2005, at 15:44, Stan Jones wrote:
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Stan Jones" <stan.jones@xtra.co.nz>
>>
>> On my RV 7 Slider I am looking to get better access to some of the
>> four
>> module I need to install
>> under the front deck. AFS Analog module, Lightspeed, etc.
>> I am considering building an access panel in the front deck, over
>> the 7108A
>> centre rib, between
>> the F7107 L and R, about 16 inches wide by 10 inches deep
>> I would recess the panel, secure it with flush screws and
>> nutplates, and add
>> a bit of RTV to
>> keep the weather out.
>> Has anyone tried this before, and how did they go about it ? A
>> picture can
>> replace
>> a thousand words.
>> Stan Jones.
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Brainstorming - priming/drying a lot of parts at once |
--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht <paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com>
I used the chicken-wire-on-the-box method and did prime all the tail
parts in 4 or 5 batches over the weekend.
Deburring, cleaning & etching (lacquer thinner then dishsoap then AFS
acid etch then distilled water) and priming every part did take me quite
a bit longer than I'd thought it would. With all the setup it was
pretty much two days' work.
But now it's done and the AFS primer worked nicely.
John Danielson wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "John Danielson" <johnd@wlcwyo.com>
>
>Don't take the time to make all those hooks to hang light weight parts
>on. Go out and buy some large paper clips. They work great.
>I like the chicken wire approach best.
>The hanging parts will turn and fly around while you spray them.
>While parts can fly off the chicken wire if your not careful they do
>seem to stay in place if you do your part.
>
>John L. Danielson
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Brainstorming - priming/drying a lot of parts at once |
--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Tasker <retasker@optonline.net>
Just a comment. I used the AFS products on my RV9A but I just used the
aluminum etch/cleaner and then the primer sealer. I did not wipe the
parts with lacquer thinner (or anything else) or wash them with anything
besides the etch/cleaner and, while my plane is not yet flying, I have
found the primer sealer to be tenacious and rugged as hell. I can
dimple the parts after priming and the paint just stays there - no chips
or cracks. I have walked all over the cockpit and baggage area while
building and working on the panel and wiring and, except for a little
dirt, the paint is good as when I first painted it.
In other words, the paint does all what they say it does and you really
don't have to do anything to the aluminum except wash with their
etch/cleaner, rinse, dry and paint with their primer sealer.
I suppose if the parts were covered with grease then lacquer thinner and
soap might be a good idea, but the aluminum really has nothing more than
finger oils, etc. on it when you are ready to wash and prime.
Dick Tasker
Paul Folbrecht wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht <paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com>
>
>I used the chicken-wire-on-the-box method and did prime all the tail
>parts in 4 or 5 batches over the weekend.
>
>Deburring, cleaning & etching (lacquer thinner then dishsoap then AFS
>acid etch then distilled water) and priming every part did take me quite
>a bit longer than I'd thought it would. With all the setup it was
>pretty much two days' work.
>
>But now it's done and the AFS primer worked nicely.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Brainstorming - priming/drying a lot of parts at once |
--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht <paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com>
I figured my cleaning system was probably a bit of overkill but I wanted
to be sure I had no problems.
Of course, I did make one mistake: I neglected to flute the HS ribs
before priming. I don't imagine the primer coat is going to stand up to
fluting too well but I could be wrong.
Richard Tasker wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Tasker <retasker@optonline.net>
>
>Just a comment. I used the AFS products on my RV9A but I just used the
>aluminum etch/cleaner and then the primer sealer. I did not wipe the
>parts with lacquer thinner (or anything else) or wash them with anything
>besides the etch/cleaner and, while my plane is not yet flying, I have
>found the primer sealer to be tenacious and rugged as hell. I can
>dimple the parts after priming and the paint just stays there - no chips
>or cracks. I have walked all over the cockpit and baggage area while
>building and working on the panel and wiring and, except for a little
>dirt, the paint is good as when I first painted it.
>
>In other words, the paint does all what they say it does and you really
>don't have to do anything to the aluminum except wash with their
>etch/cleaner, rinse, dry and paint with their primer sealer.
>
>I suppose if the parts were covered with grease then lacquer thinner and
>soap might be a good idea, but the aluminum really has nothing more than
>finger oils, etc. on it when you are ready to wash and prime.
>
>Dick Tasker
>
>Paul Folbrecht wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht <paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com>
>>
>>I used the chicken-wire-on-the-box method and did prime all the tail
>>parts in 4 or 5 batches over the weekend.
>>
>>Deburring, cleaning & etching (lacquer thinner then dishsoap then AFS
>>acid etch then distilled water) and priming every part did take me quite
>>a bit longer than I'd thought it would. With all the setup it was
>>pretty much two days' work.
>>
>>But now it's done and the AFS primer worked nicely.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Brainstorming - priming/drying a lot of parts at once |
--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Tasker <retasker@optonline.net>
Given my experience with this primer, I would bet it will.
Dick Tasker
Paul Folbrecht wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht <paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com>
>
>I figured my cleaning system was probably a bit of overkill but I wanted
>to be sure I had no problems.
>
>Of course, I did make one mistake: I neglected to flute the HS ribs
>before priming. I don't imagine the primer coat is going to stand up to
>fluting too well but I could be wrong.
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV 7 Access Panel |
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Johnson" <matt@n559rv.com>
There is another RV here in Fresno that has this mod. It is a -6A and seems to
work well. I was considering doing the same thing on my -
7A.
- Matt
-----Original Message-----
From: "Oliver Washburn" <ollie6a@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV 7 Access Panel
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Oliver Washburn"
> <ollie6a@earthlink.net>
>
> My 6a was built with 4 access panels across the top and has over
> 1000hrs
> with no problems. I didn't build the plane, so not knowing where
> everything
> was located they have come in handy a few times. I would SURE put them
> in
> again
> Ollie 6A Central Fl.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hull, Don" <Donald.C.Hull@nasa.gov>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: RV-List: RV 7 Access Panel
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Hull, Don" <Donald.C.Hull@nasa.gov>
> >
> > I had the same thoughts, Phil. Has anyone ever asked Van's about
> this
> > mod?
> > I think I remember a few years ago, someone asked Van about cutting
> an
> > access door in the side for access to the baggage compartment, and he
> > wasn't
> > too keen on it, to put it mildly. Of course, this was a hinged
> affair
> > which
> > wouldn't carry the load like a thicker skin with rivets and screws
> would
> > be.
> > If memory serves me correctly, someone has made this
> > baggage-door-in-the-side mod. I'm not interested in that mod because
> of
> > the
> > monocoque design of the fuselage. But the access panels in the top
> front
> > fuselage, because of their small size and because they would be
> secured
> > with
> > plenty of rivets and screws, seem like a reasonable modification.
> > Oh me, are we stirring up another primer war???
> > Don
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phil
> Birkelbach
> > To: rv-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RV-List: RV 7 Access Panel
> >
> >
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Phil Birkelbach <phil@petrasoft.net>
> >
> > Just to play a little Devil's advocate. Remember that all the skins
> > on this bird carry some load. Consider the plate that you use for
> > the recess as a doubler. It needs to carry the load of all the metal
> > that you remove for the access cover. I'd go with a thicker piece of
> > metal, maybe 0.040 or even 0.062 as the recess plate. And don't
> > spare the rivets and screws.
> >
> > Just some thoughts I'm not trying to stir anything up.
> >
> > Phil
> >
> > On Jul 7, 2005, at 15:44, Stan Jones wrote:
> >
> >> --> RV-List message posted by: "Stan Jones" <stan.jones@xtra.co.nz>
> >>
> >> On my RV 7 Slider I am looking to get better access to some of the
> >> four
> >> module I need to install
> >> under the front deck. AFS Analog module, Lightspeed, etc.
> >> I am considering building an access panel in the front deck, over
> >> the 7108A
> >> centre rib, between
> >> the F7107 L and R, about 16 inches wide by 10 inches deep
> >> I would recess the panel, secure it with flush screws and
> >> nutplates, and add
> >> a bit of RTV to
> >> keep the weather out.
> >> Has anyone tried this before, and how did they go about it ? A
> >> picture can
> >> replace
> >> a thousand words.
> >> Stan Jones.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: lubricating rod end bearings |
--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Parashak <paulmike@parashak.net>
This is the same thing we use all over in the submarine business.
http://msds.ogden.disa.mil/msds/owa/web_msds.display?imsdsnr=124584
Essentially it is colloidal graphite suspended in isopropyl alcohol.
Regards, Paul
On Jul 11, 2005, at 09:04, Nightingale Michael wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Nightingale Michael"
> <NightingaleMichaelV@JohnDeere.com>
>
> Old HVAC trick, mix graphite in alcohol (make a very watery mixture).
> Use a syringe to squirt mixture into bearing surface, the alcohol
> carries in the graphite then it dissolves.
>
> Michael V. Nightingale
> @ DEERE & Co. Computer Center
> 400 19th ST
> MOLINE, IL. 61265
>
> 309-314-6806 cell NightingaleMichaelV@JohnDeere.com
>
> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . .
> .
>
> Antoine de Saint-Exupry
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of linn walters
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: lubricating rod end bearings
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
>
> Why not use graphite??? It's a great lubricant and does not attract
> dust and dirt. That's why it's in the lock lubes. Of course, it'll
> get
> everywere and can make a mess if you use too much .... which is common.
> Linn ..... just wondering.
>
> do not archive
> Dale Ensing wrote:
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
>>
>> Andy,
>> A Teflon spray product that I like is ZEP 45 NC made by Zep Mfg
>> Atlanta
> GA.
>> The carrier in the product seems to evaporate cleanly. The Teflon
>> itself does not hold or attrach the dust. I would also suggest a moly
>> sulfide type product in a clean evaporating carrier. Some of the lock
>> lubricants are of this type. The moly sulfide tends to burnish in to
>> the metal surface leaving a longer lasting lube than teflon. Note:
>> Many
>
>> of the lock lubes contain graphite which would not be my first choice.
>> Dale Ensing
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: lubricating rod end bearings |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Martin Hone" <mctrader@bigpond.net.au>
Andy,
The products I have been using include - Slick 50 Teflon spray, Wurth "Bike
Line' Dry lubricant with Teflon, and Maxima Chain wax (available from
Motorcycle shops - this dries into a waxy surface that won't attract dust)
I am sure there are plenty more out there.
Cheers
Martin in Oz
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@earthlink.net>
In case some of you aren't aware, Bobby Younkin was Jim Younkin's son. Jim
is the co-founder of TruTrak Flight Systems, the experimental autopilot
company. You might want to keep this in mind if you contact the firm soon.
Alex Peterson
RV6A N66AP 635 hours
Maple Grove, MN
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Kitlog Pro v2.0 Answers |
--> RV-List message posted by: PSILeD@aol.com
Paul,
I changed to the latest version and downloaded 2.0. Received an error
message. I reported the message and was asked for my version of Windows. It is
Windows ME. Is this not compatible with 2.0?
Thanks,
Paul LeDoux
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| Subject: | Re: Brainstorming - priming/drying a lot of parts at once |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
Many thanks to Dick Tasker for comments about AFS primer ...
Is there a link or address for AFS stuff? I'm nearing the build stage with
shop about complete.
With regards ... thanks,
Jerry Grimmonpre
7A
do not archive
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| Subject: | Glueing windscreen. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" <dean.psiropoulos@verizon.net>
You folks who are gluing on your canopies, can you tell me where you're
getting your Sikaflex in small tube lots? I called the U.S. distributor of
the stuff and they pointed me to a contractor in Tampa (Florida) but he only
carries one type. If I want the 252 or 255 adhesive I'd have to buy a whole
case of the stuff. At this point I've already drilled the sliding portion
for mechanical fastening but am considering gluing the base of the
windscreen to the forward top skin. Seems like an easier and less messy way
to attach the windscreen there (as opposed to the layers of fiber-glassing
and filling and sanding). Any thoughts on this idea and where I might get a
couple tubes of the Sikaflex? Thanks.
Dean Psiropoulos
RV-6A N197DM
Getting soooooo close
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| Subject: | Re: Brainstorming - priming/drying a lot of parts at once |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard E. Tasker" <retasker@optonline.net>
The web site for Aircraft Finishing Systems is
http://www.aircraftfinishing.com/
It is a little hard to navigate but it is all there - information,
prices, testimonials, colors, etc., etc.
I have no connection with them (except that I am a satisfied user).
Dick Tasker
Jerry Grimmonpre wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
>
>Many thanks to Dick Tasker for comments about AFS primer ...
>
>Is there a link or address for AFS stuff? I'm nearing the build stage with
>shop about complete.
>With regards ... thanks,
>
>Jerry Grimmonpre
>7A
>
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| Subject: | Re: Brainstorming - priming/drying a lot of parts at once |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@comcast.net>
Jerry Grimmonpre wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
>
>Many thanks to Dick Tasker for comments about AFS primer ...
>
>Is there a link or address for AFS stuff? I'm nearing the build stage with
>shop about complete.
>With regards ... thanks,
>
>Jerry Grimmonpre
>7A
>do not archive
>
>
>
http://www.aircraftfinishing.com/metal-aircraft.htm
I typed "AFS primer" into a search engine and came up with all kinds of
links. :)
Jerry
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| Subject: | Brainstorming - priming/drying a lot of parts at once |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Don Hall" <dhall@donka.net>
I did my tail in 3 primer sessions, weeks apart as stuff ready for final
riveting piled up on the shelves. Along the way, I considered the
do-it-all-at-once approach. One knock on that approach is for those who do
the full alumaprep-scrub-alodine-prime cycle - that's a lot of freaking
scrubbing! As we say down south, you will be slap-wo-out. I can guarantee
you that by the end of that day, you'll be wondering if smaller batches is
better. Another advantage for mere mortals with smaller batches is that it
is easier to unravel mysteries in forgetting to re-label part numbers.
Don't ask me how I know...
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Folbrecht
Subject: RV-List: Brainstorming - priming/drying a lot of parts at once
--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht <paulfolbrecht@yahoo.com>
I would like to prime all my empennege parts in one session (shooting AFS
primer) for efficiency. Planning on doing this on Sat. Been thinking about
various ways to hang/set the parts to dry.. compliction is that some parts
can be easily hung from a wire and some can't. Would welcome any ideas from
those that have done this. I have plenty of space.
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| Subject: | Re: Glueing windscreen. |
--> RV-List message posted by: gert <gert.v@sbcglobal.net>
Hi Dean
Most places I called would only sell a case of 12 10-ounce tubes of the
295UV, ......Jamestown Distributors @ 800-423-0030 will sell you
individually, pricing: about 12 for a tube of 295UV black or white, 31
for a pint of 209 and 11 for a pint of 226. So, that's what I ordered,
tube o' black&white, 226 and 209. One could say I am now committed ;-)
DEAN PSIROPOULOS wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" <dean.psiropoulos@verizon.net>
>
>You folks who are gluing on your canopies, can you tell me where you're
>getting your Sikaflex in small tube lots? I called the U.S. distributor of
>the stuff and they pointed me to a contractor in Tampa (Florida) but he only
>carries one type. If I want the 252 or 255 adhesive I'd have to buy a whole
>case of the stuff. At this point I've already drilled the sliding portion
>for mechanical fastening but am considering gluing the base of the
>windscreen to the forward top skin. Seems like an easier and less messy way
>to attach the windscreen there (as opposed to the layers of fiber-glassing
>and filling and sanding). Any thoughts on this idea and where I might get a
>couple tubes of the Sikaflex? Thanks.
>
>Dean Psiropoulos
>RV-6A N197DM
>Getting soooooo close
>
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
Hi Dean,
I got mine at Jamestown Distributors:
http://www.jamestowndistributors.com/
I'm not sure if using glue will eliminate the need for fiberglass
and sanding, but I have not yet done my windscreen.
Mickey
DEAN PSIROPOULOS wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" <dean.psiropoulos@verizon.net>
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> You folks who are gluing on your canopies, can you tell me where you're
> getting your Sikaflex in small tube lots? I called the U.S. distributor of
> the stuff and they pointed me to a contractor in Tampa (Florida) but he only
> carries one type. If I want the 252 or 255 adhesive I'd have to buy a whole
> case of the stuff. At this point I've already drilled the sliding portion
> for mechanical fastening but am considering gluing the base of the
> windscreen to the forward top skin. Seems like an easier and less messy way
> to attach the windscreen there (as opposed to the layers of fiber-glassing
> and filling and sanding). Any thoughts on this idea and where I might get a
> couple tubes of the Sikaflex? Thanks.
>
> Dean Psiropoulos
> RV-6A N197DM
> Getting soooooo close
>
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Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 finishing
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