---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 07/13/05: 35 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:24 AM - cutting out wheel pants (Sportypilot) 2. 03:41 AM - Crate for Completed RV-7 Tail Needed (M. Orr) 3. 04:19 AM - Re: Crate for Completed RV-7 Tail Needed (Richard Bibb) 4. 04:26 AM - Re: Carb Heat (Dale Ensing) 5. 05:18 AM - Fastback Super 8 (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)) 6. 05:35 AM - Fastback RV8 (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)) 7. 06:03 AM - Re: acoustical and thremal insuluation (RV Builder (Michael Sausen)) 8. 06:57 AM - Re: Fastback RV8 (JOHN STARN) 9. 06:58 AM - Re: acoustical and thremal insuluation (Marty) 10. 07:28 AM - Re: acoustical and thremal insuluation (Tim Bryan) 11. 08:10 AM - Baffle seal at front (George Inman) 12. 08:19 AM - Re: acoustical and thremal insuluation (Scott Bilinski) 13. 08:24 AM - Re: Baffle seal at front (Tim Bryan) 14. 08:33 AM - Fastback RV8 - Personal note on Company (Larry Olson) 15. 08:46 AM - Re: Fastback RV8 (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)) 16. 08:50 AM - Re: acoustical and thermal insuluation (RV Builder (Michael Sausen)) 17. 09:12 AM - Re: Baffle seal at front (Walter Tondu) 18. 09:52 AM - Re: Carb Heat (HCRV6@aol.com) 19. 10:50 AM - Re: Fastback RV8 (Tracy Crook) 20. 11:31 AM - Re: acoustical and thremal insuluation (Vincent Himsl) 21. 12:59 PM - Re: Carb Heat (GMC) 22. 01:46 PM - Re: Carb Heat (Tim Bryan) 23. 01:50 PM - Re: Crate for Completed RV-7 Tail Needed (M. Orr) 24. 02:03 PM - Re: acoustical and thremal insuluation (RV Builder (Michael Sausen)) 25. 02:05 PM - Dragging Brakes (Fiveonepw@aol.com) 26. 02:38 PM - Re: Crate for Completed RV-7 Tail Needed (Mickey Coggins) 27. 03:28 PM - Re: Dragging Brakes (Robert E. Lynch) 28. 03:41 PM - Re: Carb Heat (John Danielson) 29. 04:06 PM - Re: Carb Heat (Tim Bryan) 30. 06:45 PM - EGT/ CHT Gauges (Vic Jacko) 31. 07:37 PM - Re: EGT/ CHT Gauges (Fiveonepw@aol.com) 32. 07:54 PM - Re: EGT/ CHT Gauges (Larry Pardue) 33. 10:08 PM - Re: acoustical and thermal insuluation (Greg Grigson) 34. 10:22 PM - Re: cutting out wheel pants (Greg Grigson) 35. 11:06 PM - How are you keeping the water out of an RV6/7 "Tip-Up"???? (James E. Clark) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:24:40 AM PST US From: "Sportypilot" Subject: RV-List: cutting out wheel pants --> RV-List message posted by: "Sportypilot" I got the gear on and have been trying to figure out how not to make a mistake on cutting out the rear portion of the wheel pant to get it over the tire so i can mark the cut out for the gear leg.. what did you guys start with on the size hole or end with so I can cut it once and the fit the side for the leg.. then I can find where to drill the holes for the attach brackets.. I have the leg fairings cut out and clamped at the top but the next step to get the wheel pants on so I can start with the clay.. any help email or otherwise.. would be awesome.. thnks in advance.. Danny.. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:41:14 AM PST US From: "M. Orr" Subject: RV-List: Crate for Completed RV-7 Tail Needed --> RV-List message posted by: "M. Orr" I am relocating and need a crate for a completed RV-7 tail. If there is anyone near Dayton, Ohio or near Roanoke, VA that has shipping crates from a RV tail completion workshop, that they would be willing to part with, please contact me off-list. Does anyone have dimensions and weight of tail shipping crates so that I can get a quote from my moving company or a freight provider? Thanks! Matt RV -7 Tail done and waiting on a new workshop Smith Miniplane Project (For Sale) Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:19:59 AM PST US From: "Richard Bibb" Subject: Re: RV-List: Crate for Completed RV-7 Tail Needed --> RV-List message posted by: "Richard Bibb" hmm- got a tape measure? Bathroom Scale? > Does anyone have dimensions and weight of tail shipping crates so that I > can get a quote from my moving company or a freight provider? > > Thanks! > Matt > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:26:07 AM PST US From: "Dale Ensing" Subject: Re: RV-List: Carb Heat --> RV-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" George in BC Regarding RPM drop.... If you are using Vans set up on the airbox, not all of the inlet air is coming thru the 2 in. SCAT tubing from the heat muff. The mounting for the 2 in. SCAT nipple on the air box allows for bypass air which is pulled from the immediate area around the front of the airbox. My RPM drop is never as much when the engine area is relatively cool soon after first start up verus a restart when the engine is hot from a recent flight. I attribute this to the air temp of that bypass air. Dale in NC ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:18:39 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: Fastback Super 8 From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" I was just whizzing through some photos of Arlington and there is an RV Super 8, fastback, tip over io-540 plane with dual Cheltons and a neat paint job. Registry shows it belonging to Don SCHMIESING of Washington State. WOW what an airplane! Those pics really get me going to finish! Those pics really had me going for a while. "Hey that's a Rocket... Nooooo, an RV.... No a Harmon..... Nooo wait... that's an 8...definitely an RV 8... I think... Crap what is it? .." Very cool. I love it when as a repeat offender cant tell what it is till I look at 9 pictures. Now that's a builder putting in everything he loves into one plane. I want to shake his hand. Great style and detail. He had to win something there. http://members8.clubphoto.com/tim880012/3430373/guest.phtml There is a picture there of a pin-up board with details of the plane. Anyone got a real good shot if that board they could send me? I want to know more about this plane!! Enjoy, Mike S8 paint Do not archive http://www.mstewart.net/super8/ ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:35:17 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: Fastback RV8 From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" OK more poking around and I have run across more detail of the mod. How did I not know about this? Good grief! This really looks great. What is the matter with you people? Don't let these little gems of information get by without letting us know. You are all fired. I would have done this had I known about it. And he has a honker engine. 330hp! Wow. Maybe Ill just start over. Mike http://showplanes.com/index_800.htm ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:03:10 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: acoustical and thremal insuluation From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" --> RV-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" Here is something I have been considering. http://www.quietcoat.com I don't remember where I found it but it looks very interesting and should be much lighter than the usual asphalt mats. Anyone have any experience with it? Michael Sausen -10 #352 Emp Assembly -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg Grigson Subject: Re: RV-List: acoustical and thremal insuluation --> RV-List message posted by: Greg Grigson So... any suggestions on good adhesives or attachment methods for the black foam soundproofing. What are your thoughts on 3M Super Weatherstrip Adhesive aka "Camel Snot"? Greg in Honolulu --- Kyle Boatright wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karen and Robert Brown" > > To: > Subject: Re: RV-List: acoustical and thremal insuluation > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Karen and Robert > Brown" > > > > > > Aircraft Spruce has a free booklet (p/n 09-42755) > in their catalog that > > discusses the details of insulating an aircraft, > giving several options. > > I'd recommend starting there. On my 7A, I used > the sandwich technique > > described in the book and made templates to fit > each area of skin in the > > airplane. These sandwiches are foam/aluminum > foil/foam, put together with > > spray on contact cement. I will have about 2" of > this material (3 or 4 > > sandwiches) on the firewall, about 1" everywhere > else. I put it on all > > metal surfaces that are not occupied with > something else, including > > subpanel areas, behind the baggage bulkhead and > areas in the tail. Total > > weight to the airplane is about 10 pounds. I used > the 1/4" "Super > > Soundproofing Sheet" foam from Spruce (p/n 42720). > That makes one > > "sandwich" a little thicker than 1/2" once the > foil is put in. I've > > sprayed contact cement lightly to the aluminum to > attach these. You can > > still rip em out if you want to, but they are > attached more pe! > > rmanently than velcro. The plane isn't flying > yet, but there is an > > incredible difference just being inside it and > working...it's like a sound > > studio. > > > > Bob Brown > > RV7A - wingtip lights/waiting on engine > > Bob, > > You may want to investigate some other attachment > method than spray on > contact adhesive. My experience is that it does not > hold up well against > the firewall. In fact, I've re-attached the > insulation on my RV-6 firewall > a couple of times over the course of 300 and > something flight hours. > Standing on my head in the footwell re-attaching > insulation ranks about a 10 > on the misery index... > > KB > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:57:38 AM PST US From: "JOHN STARN" Subject: Re: RV-List: Fastback RV8 --> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" Would appear that someone else has re-invented the whee.............err HRII Rocket....again. 330HP IO-360 ??, are the wings clipped too, larger tanks for all the extra HP. NO. Great looking airplane and as Van's has said in the past of the HRII it's a "derivative" RV. More input needed, went to the site noted, need input. Great looking canopy frame. Is there an HRII canopy & frame in the future ? KABONG (GBA & GWB) Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" Subject: RV-List: Fastback RV8 > --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" > > > OK more poking around and I have run across more detail of the mod. How > did I not know about this? > > Good grief! > > This really looks great. > > What is the matter with you people? Don't let these little gems of > information get by without letting us know. > You are all fired. I would have done this had I known about it. > And he has a honker engine. 330hp! Wow. > Maybe Ill just start over. > > > Mike > > http://showplanes.com/index_800.htm ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:58:23 AM PST US From: "Marty" Subject: RE: RV-List: acoustical and thremal insuluation --> RV-List message posted by: "Marty" |-----Original Message----- |From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list- |server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen) |Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 7:58 AM |To: rv-list@matronics.com |Subject: RE: RV-List: acoustical and thremal insuluation | |--> RV-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" | | | Here is something I have been considering. http://www.quietcoat.com |I don't remember where I found it but it looks very interesting and |should be much lighter than the usual asphalt mats. Anyone have any |experience with it? | |Michael Sausen |-10 #352 Emp Assembly I'd be interested in seeing some burn data on this. I looked on the website but couldn't find it mentioned anywhere. I'm interested in quieting the plane as much as anyone, but I think I'm more paranoid of adding fuel to the fire, as it were. Marty in Indiana ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:28:06 AM PST US From: "Tim Bryan" Subject: Re: RV-List: acoustical and thremal insuluation --> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" Greg, If you are talking the spray on stuff, that is what Abey at flightline interiors recommends. Not sure about the black foam soundproofing though What is it? I am looking for something myself to put under my upholstry. Tim RV-6 -------Original Message------- From: Greg Grigson Subject: Re: RV-List: acoustical and thremal insuluation --> RV-List message posted by: Greg Grigson So... any suggestions on good adhesives or attachment methods for the black foam soundproofing. What are your thoughts on 3M Super Weatherstrip Adhesive aka "Camel Snot"? Greg in Honolulu --- Kyle Boatright wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karen and Robert Brown" > > To: > Subject: Re: RV-List: acoustical and thremal > insuluation > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Karen and Robert > Brown" > > > > > > Aircraft Spruce has a free booklet (p/n 09-42755) > in their catalog that > > discusses the details of insulating an aircraft, > giving several options. > > I'd recommend starting there. On my 7A, I used > the sandwich technique > > described in the book and made templates to fit > each area of skin in the > > airplane. These sandwiches are foam/aluminum > foil/foam, put together with > > spray on contact cement. I will have about 2" of > this material (3 or 4 > > sandwiches) on the firewall, about 1" everywhere > else. I put it on all > > metal surfaces that are not occupied with > something else, including > > subpanel areas, behind the baggage bulkhead and > areas in the tail. Total > > weight to the airplane is about 10 pounds. I used > the 1/4" "Super > > Soundproofing Sheet" foam from Spruce (p/n 42720). > That makes one > > "sandwich" a little thicker than 1/2" once the > foil is put in. I've > > sprayed contact cement lightly to the aluminum to > attach these. You can > > still rip em out if you want to, but they are > attached more pe! > > rmanently than velcro. The plane isn't flying > yet, but there is an > > incredible difference just being inside it and > working...it's like a sound > > studio. > > > > Bob Brown > > RV7A - wingtip lights/waiting on engine > > Bob, > > You may want to investigate some other attachment > method than spray on > contact adhesive. My experience is that it does not > hold up well against > the firewall. In fact, I've re-attached the > insulation on my RV-6 firewall > a couple of times over the course of 300 and > something flight hours. > Standing on my head in the footwell re-attaching > insulation ranks about a 10 > on the misery index... > > KB > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:10:25 AM PST US From: "George Inman" Subject: RV-List: Baffle seal at front --> RV-List message posted by: "George Inman" Does anyone have good pictures of how the baffle seal fits at the front cowl inlets? GEORGE H. INMAN ghinman@mts.net CELL 204 799 7062 HOME 204 287 8334 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:19:02 AM PST US From: Scott Bilinski Subject: Re: RV-List: acoustical and thremal insuluation --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski I had a bad experience with foam inside a race car years ago. The foam started smoking, and I started choking on the fumes. There was never a fire, and I am pretty sure the fumes would have taken me out first. At 07:24 AM 7/13/2005 -0700, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" > >Greg, >If you are talking the spray on stuff, that is what Abey at flightline >interiors recommends. Not sure about the black foam soundproofing though >What is it? I am looking for something myself to put under my upholstry. > >Tim >RV-6 > >-------Original Message------- > >From: Greg Grigson >Date: 07/12/05 23:36:54 >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV-List: acoustical and thremal insuluation > >--> RV-List message posted by: Greg Grigson > >So... any suggestions on good adhesives or attachment >methods for the black foam soundproofing. What are >your thoughts on 3M Super Weatherstrip Adhesive aka >"Camel Snot"? > >Greg in Honolulu > > >--- Kyle Boatright wrote: > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Karen and Robert Brown" > > > > To: > > Subject: Re: RV-List: acoustical and thremal > > insuluation > > > > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Karen and Robert > > Brown" > > > > > > > > > Aircraft Spruce has a free booklet (p/n 09-42755) > > in their catalog that > > > discusses the details of insulating an aircraft, > > giving several options. > > > I'd recommend starting there. On my 7A, I used > > the sandwich technique > > > described in the book and made templates to fit > > each area of skin in the > > > airplane. These sandwiches are foam/aluminum > > foil/foam, put together with > > > spray on contact cement. I will have about 2" of > > this material (3 or 4 > > > sandwiches) on the firewall, about 1" everywhere > > else. I put it on all > > > metal surfaces that are not occupied with > > something else, including > > > subpanel areas, behind the baggage bulkhead and > > areas in the tail. Total > > > weight to the airplane is about 10 pounds. I used > > the 1/4" "Super > > > Soundproofing Sheet" foam from Spruce (p/n 42720). > > That makes one > > > "sandwich" a little thicker than 1/2" once the > > foil is put in. I've > > > sprayed contact cement lightly to the aluminum to > > attach these. You can > > > still rip em out if you want to, but they are > > attached more pe! > > > rmanently than velcro. The plane isn't flying > > yet, but there is an > > > incredible difference just being inside it and > > working...it's like a sound > > > studio. > > > > > > Bob Brown > > > RV7A - wingtip lights/waiting on engine > > > > Bob, > > > > You may want to investigate some other attachment > > method than spray on > > contact adhesive. My experience is that it does not > > hold up well against > > the firewall. In fact, I've re-attached the > > insulation on my RV-6 firewall > > a couple of times over the course of 300 and > > something flight hours. > > Standing on my head in the footwell re-attaching > > insulation ranks about a 10 > > on the misery index... > > > > KB > > > > > > browse > > Subscriptions page, > > FAQ, > > > > > > Scott Bilinski Eng dept 305 Phone (858) 657-2536 Pager (858) 502-5190 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:24:37 AM PST US From: "Tim Bryan" Subject: Re: RV-List: Baffle seal at front --> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" Great Question, I need this also. Thanks for asking Tim RV-6 DNA -------Original Message------- From: George Inman Subject: RV-List: Baffle seal at front --> RV-List message posted by: "George Inman" Does anyone have good pictures of how the baffle seal fits at the front cowl inlets? GEORGE H. INMAN ghinman@mts.net CELL 204 799 7062 HOME 204 287 8334 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:33:00 AM PST US From: Larry Olson Subject: RV-List: Fastback RV8 - Personal note on Company --> RV-List message posted by: Larry Olson Just a quick note on the company that makes those conversions. They are top notch guys. Returning from the NW to Phoenix last week, the alternator in my RV6 died. I landed at the Medford airport to evaluate my situation. The guys at Medford Air (the FBO - also real good people) suggested that I talk to "the local RV guys" Brian and Butch Milani (Show Planes) They allowed me to use their tools and hangar to do my repairs AND Butch lent me an alternator to use to get home. HOW COOL Good company. Good people. Important in my book. Larry Olson RV6 DVT At 06:53 AM 7/13/2005, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" > >Would appear that someone else has re-invented the whee.............err HRII >Rocket....again. 330HP IO-360 ??, are the wings clipped too, larger tanks >for all the extra HP. NO. Great looking airplane and as Van's has said in >the past of the HRII it's a "derivative" RV. More input needed, went to the >site noted, need input. Great looking canopy frame. Is there an HRII canopy >& frame in the future ? KABONG (GBA & GWB) >Do Not Archive > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" >To: >Subject: RV-List: Fastback RV8 > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" > > > > > > OK more poking around and I have run across more detail of the mod. How > > did I not know about this? > > > > Good grief! > > > > This really looks great. > > > > What is the matter with you people? Don't let these little gems of > > information get by without letting us know. > > You are all fired. I would have done this had I known about it. > > And he has a honker engine. 330hp! Wow. > > Maybe Ill just start over. > > > > > > Mike > > > > http://showplanes.com/index_800.htm > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:46:39 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Fastback RV8 From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" No this is an RV-8, Fastback Mod, IO-540 330hp. Found these links. http://www.eaa326.org/Newsletters/eaa326-7-2005.pdf http://members8.clubphoto.com/tim880012/3430373/guest.phtml Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JOHN STARN Subject: Re: RV-List: Fastback RV8 --> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" Would appear that someone else has re-invented the whee.............err HRII Rocket....again. 330HP IO-360 ??, are the wings clipped too, larger tanks for all the extra HP. NO. Great looking airplane and as Van's has said in the past of the HRII it's a "derivative" RV. More input needed, went to the site noted, need input. Great looking canopy frame. Is there an HRII canopy & frame in the future ? KABONG (GBA & GWB) Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" Subject: RV-List: Fastback RV8 > --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" > > > OK more poking around and I have run across more detail of the mod. How > did I not know about this? > > Good grief! > > This really looks great. > > What is the matter with you people? Don't let these little gems of > information get by without letting us know. > You are all fired. I would have done this had I known about it. > And he has a honker engine. 330hp! Wow. > Maybe Ill just start over. > > > Mike > > http://showplanes.com/index_800.htm ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:50:11 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: acoustical and thermal insuluation From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" --> RV-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" I'm guessing the black foam Greg is referring to is probably the standard auto soundproofing asphalt mats. They do the job but are also quite heavy which is what makes them work so well. They usually go by the trade names Dynamat or Fatmat and can get expensive. They are real big in the auto sound world. Michael Sausen -10 #352 Emp Assembly -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Bryan Subject: Re: RV-List: acoustical and thremal insuluation --> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" Greg, If you are talking the spray on stuff, that is what Abey at flightline interiors recommends. Not sure about the black foam soundproofing though What is it? I am looking for something myself to put under my upholstry. Tim RV-6 -------Original Message------- From: Greg Grigson Subject: Re: RV-List: acoustical and thremal insuluation --> RV-List message posted by: Greg Grigson So... any suggestions on good adhesives or attachment methods for the black foam soundproofing. What are your thoughts on 3M Super Weatherstrip Adhesive aka "Camel Snot"? Greg in Honolulu --- Kyle Boatright wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karen and Robert Brown" > > To: > Subject: Re: RV-List: acoustical and thremal insuluation > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Karen and Robert > Brown" > > > > > > Aircraft Spruce has a free booklet (p/n 09-42755) > in their catalog that > > discusses the details of insulating an aircraft, > giving several options. > > I'd recommend starting there. On my 7A, I used > the sandwich technique > > described in the book and made templates to fit > each area of skin in the > > airplane. These sandwiches are foam/aluminum > foil/foam, put together with > > spray on contact cement. I will have about 2" of > this material (3 or 4 > > sandwiches) on the firewall, about 1" everywhere > else. I put it on all > > metal surfaces that are not occupied with > something else, including > > subpanel areas, behind the baggage bulkhead and > areas in the tail. Total > > weight to the airplane is about 10 pounds. I used > the 1/4" "Super > > Soundproofing Sheet" foam from Spruce (p/n 42720). > That makes one > > "sandwich" a little thicker than 1/2" once the > foil is put in. I've > > sprayed contact cement lightly to the aluminum to > attach these. You can > > still rip em out if you want to, but they are > attached more pe! > > rmanently than velcro. The plane isn't flying > yet, but there is an > > incredible difference just being inside it and > working...it's like a sound > > studio. > > > > Bob Brown > > RV7A - wingtip lights/waiting on engine > > Bob, > > You may want to investigate some other attachment > method than spray on > contact adhesive. My experience is that it does not > hold up well against > the firewall. In fact, I've re-attached the > insulation on my RV-6 firewall > a couple of times over the course of 300 and > something flight hours. > Standing on my head in the footwell re-attaching > insulation ranks about a 10 > on the misery index... > > KB > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:12:09 AM PST US From: Walter Tondu Subject: Re: RV-List: Baffle seal at front --> RV-List message posted by: Walter Tondu On 07/13 9:58, George Inman wrote: > Does anyone have good pictures > of how the baffle seal fits at the front cowl > inlets? See entry dated 1/15/05. http://rv7-a.com/baffling.htm -- Walter Tondu http://www.rv7-a.com ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:52:28 AM PST US From: HCRV6@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Carb Heat --> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com Bert: I have the carb heat rig that Van's sells and a Grand Rapids EIS with a carb heat probe. With carb heat full on I normally see about a 20 RPM drop and maybe 10 to 15 degree F increase in Carb air temp at the most. On the plus side, the carb air temp always runs at least 25 or 30 degrees F higher than ambient and I have never seen it less than around 60 degree F once the engine is warmed up. Harry Crosby RV-6 N16CX, 112 hours ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:50:19 AM PST US From: "Tracy Crook" Subject: Re: RV-List: Fastback RV8 --> RV-List message posted by: "Tracy Crook" Poop, My 300 HP Rotary RV-8 is upstaged before it even flies.... At least my wingspan is bigger! (26 ft) Tracy --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" > No this is an RV-8, Fastback Mod, IO-540 330hp. Found these links. http://www.eaa326.org/Newsletters/eaa326-7-2005.pdf http://members8.clubphoto.com/tim880012/3430373/guest.phtml Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JOHN STARN To: rv-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Fastback RV8 --> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" > Would appear that someone else has re-invented the whee.............err HRII Rocket....again. 330HP IO-360 ??, are the wings clipped too, larger tanks for all the extra HP. NO. Great looking airplane and as Van's has said in the past of the HRII it's a "derivative" RV. More input needed, went to the site noted, need input. Great looking canopy frame. Is there an HRII canopy & frame in the future ? KABONG (GBA & GWB) Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" > To: > Subject: RV-List: Fastback RV8 > --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" > > > > OK more poking around and I have run across more detail of the mod. How > did I not know about this? > > Good grief! > > This really looks great. > > What is the matter with you people? Don't let these little gems of > information get by without letting us know. > You are all fired. I would have done this had I known about it. > And he has a honker engine. 330hp! Wow. > Maybe Ill just start over. > > > Mike > > http://showplanes.com/index_800.htm ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:31:38 AM PST US From: "Vincent Himsl" Subject: RE: RV-List: acoustical and thremal insuluation --> RV-List message posted by: "Vincent Himsl" Hello, There is a complete article on using and installing the super sound proof foam. You can order it free from Aircraft Spruce (09-42755 HOW TO SOUNDPROOF LIGHT A/C) or download it online http://www.soundproofing.org/infopages/soundprf.html I found it to be very helpful and informative. It talks about the glue and how you should spot it on rather than layer it on completely as you 'will' someday need to remove the soundproofing for whatever reason. I have the floor of my RV8 covered with the super stuff and just by tapping on the outside of the fuselage above and below it, you can really tell the difference. However several builders, now flying (archives), are of the opinion that noise canceling headsets make the most difference. Regards, Vince Himsl RV8-VSB Finish -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg Grigson Subject: Re: RV-List: acoustical and thremal insuluation --> RV-List message posted by: Greg Grigson So... any suggestions on good adhesives or attachment methods for the black foam soundproofing. What are your thoughts on 3M Super Weatherstrip Adhesive aka "Camel Snot"? Greg in Honolulu --- Kyle Boatright wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karen and Robert Brown" > > To: > Subject: Re: RV-List: acoustical and thremal > insuluation > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Karen and Robert > Brown" > > > > > > Aircraft Spruce has a free booklet (p/n 09-42755) > in their catalog that > > discusses the details of insulating an aircraft, > giving several options. > > I'd recommend starting there. On my 7A, I used > the sandwich technique > > described in the book and made templates to fit > each area of skin in the > > airplane. These sandwiches are foam/aluminum > foil/foam, put together with > > spray on contact cement. I will have about 2" of > this material (3 or 4 > > sandwiches) on the firewall, about 1" everywhere > else. I put it on all > > metal surfaces that are not occupied with > something else, including > > subpanel areas, behind the baggage bulkhead and > areas in the tail. Total > > weight to the airplane is about 10 pounds. I used > the 1/4" "Super > > Soundproofing Sheet" foam from Spruce (p/n 42720). > That makes one > > "sandwich" a little thicker than 1/2" once the > foil is put in. I've > > sprayed contact cement lightly to the aluminum to > attach these. You can > > still rip em out if you want to, but they are > attached more pe! > > rmanently than velcro. The plane isn't flying > yet, but there is an > > incredible difference just being inside it and > working...it's like a sound > > studio. > > > > Bob Brown > > RV7A - wingtip lights/waiting on engine > > Bob, > > You may want to investigate some other attachment > method than spray on > contact adhesive. My experience is that it does not > hold up well against > the firewall. In fact, I've re-attached the > insulation on my RV-6 firewall > a couple of times over the course of 300 and > something flight hours. > Standing on my head in the footwell re-attaching > insulation ranks about a 10 > on the misery index... > > KB > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:59:30 PM PST US From: GMC Subject: Re: RV-List: Carb Heat --> RV-List message posted by: GMC Hi Dale Yes you are right. I forgot about that raised standoff area that allows cooler bypass air in. On the advice of others I had eliminated the standoff for the scat tube flange when building and my aircraft has been breathing warm air only through the scat tube (now increased in size). Do you have any numbers on carb air temperature rise with your setup. George in Langley BC do not archive Dale Ensing wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" > >George in BC >Regarding RPM drop.... >If you are using Vans set up on the airbox, not all of the inlet air is >coming thru the 2 in. SCAT tubing from the heat muff. The mounting for the 2 >in. SCAT nipple on the air box allows for bypass air which is pulled from >the immediate area around the front of the airbox. My RPM drop is never as >much when the engine area is relatively cool soon after first start up verus >a restart when the engine is hot from a recent flight. I attribute this to >the air temp of that bypass air. >Dale in NC > > > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 01:46:11 PM PST US From: "Tim Bryan" Subject: Re: RV-List: Carb Heat --> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" This is getting my attention now. I wondered why the standoff allowed unheated air in so I blocked most of the opening around the standoff. Do you think there would not be enough volume via the standard scat tube? Maybe I should remove my block offs. Tim RV-6 -------Original Message------- From: GMC Subject: Re: RV-List: Carb Heat --> RV-List message posted by: GMC Hi Dale Yes you are right. I forgot about that raised standoff area that allows cooler bypass air in. On the advice of others I had eliminated the standoff for the scat tube flange when building and my aircraft has been breathing warm air only through the scat tube (now increased in size). Do you have any numbers on carb air temperature rise with your setup. George in Langley BC do not archive Dale Ensing wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" > >George in BC >Regarding RPM drop.... >If you are using Vans set up on the airbox, not all of the inlet air is >coming thru the 2 in. SCAT tubing from the heat muff. The mounting for the 2 >in. SCAT nipple on the air box allows for bypass air which is pulled from >the immediate area around the front of the airbox. My RPM drop is never as >much when the engine area is relatively cool soon after first start up verus >a restart when the engine is hot from a recent flight. I attribute this to >the air temp of that bypass air. >Dale in NC > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 01:50:44 PM PST US From: "M. Orr" Subject: RE: RV-List: Crate for Completed RV-7 Tail Needed --> RV-List message posted by: "M. Orr" It is a little hard when the tail is 400 miles away. Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Bibb Subject: Re: RV-List: Crate for Completed RV-7 Tail Needed --> RV-List message posted by: "Richard Bibb" hmm- got a tape measure? Bathroom Scale? > Does anyone have dimensions and weight of tail shipping crates so that I > can get a quote from my moving company or a freight provider? > > Thanks! > Matt > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 02:03:56 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: acoustical and thremal insuluation From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" --> RV-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" You have to jump over to their sister site for that. They market the same product under different names and one is aimed at aircraft. They claim it meets FAA burn tests. I think I am going to order the spray can and do some tests of my own on it. Seeing how it's a polymer and not a foam, I doubt it would absorb anything but I would like to make sure. Think I will do a dip test in some avgas to be sure. http://www.quietsolution.com/QAir_dsheet_scn.pdf Michael Sausen -10 #352 Emp Assembly -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marty Subject: RE: RV-List: acoustical and thremal insuluation --> RV-List message posted by: "Marty" |-----Original Message----- |From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list- |server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen) |Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 7:58 AM |To: rv-list@matronics.com |Subject: RE: RV-List: acoustical and thremal insuluation | |--> RV-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" | | | Here is something I have been considering. http://www.quietcoat.com I |don't remember where I found it but it looks very interesting and |should be much lighter than the usual asphalt mats. Anyone have any |experience with it? | |Michael Sausen |-10 #352 Emp Assembly I'd be interested in seeing some burn data on this. I looked on the website but couldn't find it mentioned anywhere. I'm interested in quieting the plane as much as anyone, but I think I'm more paranoid of adding fuel to the fire, as it were. Marty in Indiana ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 02:05:14 PM PST US From: Fiveonepw@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Dragging Brakes --> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com Howdy 'List- Yes, I have the "disease" of brake drag and will soon be re-lining the pads- after scouring the archives and reviewing the '98 RVator article, I'm curious if anyone's tried just adding external springs around the rods ala Cleveland? I'd really like to avoid disassembling/overhauling/refilling brake system if possible, and having the extra springs might add some redundancy? Thanks- Mark Phillips -6A, 205 hrs ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 02:38:53 PM PST US From: Mickey Coggins Subject: Re: RV-List: Crate for Completed RV-7 Tail Needed --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins >> Does anyone have dimensions and weight of tail shipping crates so >> that I can get a quote from my moving company or a freight >> provider? Give these guys a call http://www.buildtofly.com/ This is where I built my tail, and a young fellow named Jacob there crated my empennage up and shipped it to me in Switzerland. He did an outstanding job. He would probably be able to give you the exact dimensions and weights, since he's done it many times. I've already disassembled my box, so I can't help much. Another option would be to call these guys: Partain Trading Company (http://www.vansairforce.net/rvbp/) http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=2166 Good luck! Mickey -- Mickey Coggins http://www.rv8.ch/ #82007 finishing do not archive ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 03:28:22 PM PST US From: "Robert E. Lynch" Subject: Re: RV-List: Dragging Brakes --> RV-List message posted by: "Robert E. Lynch" You probably have the bolt to tight on bottom of . the brake cylinder. try loosening it a little to see if things get better. Bob ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 03:41:21 PM PST US From: "John Danielson" Subject: RE: RV-List: Carb Heat --> RV-List message posted by: "John Danielson" Tim, You don't want to block the opening off. This is how the hot air dissipates when the carb heat is off. With the carb heat off, where is all that hot air going to go. Its going to get really hot on top of the intake plenum. John L. Danielson -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Bryan Subject: Re: RV-List: Carb Heat --> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" This is getting my attention now. I wondered why the standoff allowed unheated air in so I blocked most of the opening around the standoff. Do you think there would not be enough volume via the standard scat tube? Maybe I should remove my block offs. Tim RV-6 -------Original Message------- From: GMC Subject: Re: RV-List: Carb Heat --> RV-List message posted by: GMC Hi Dale Yes you are right. I forgot about that raised standoff area that allows cooler bypass air in. On the advice of others I had eliminated the standoff for the scat tube flange when building and my aircraft has been breathing warm air only through the scat tube (now increased in size). Do you have any numbers on carb air temperature rise with your setup. George in Langley BC do not archive Dale Ensing wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" > >George in BC >Regarding RPM drop.... >If you are using Vans set up on the airbox, not all of the inlet air is >coming thru the 2 in. SCAT tubing from the heat muff. The mounting for the 2 >in. SCAT nipple on the air box allows for bypass air which is pulled from >the immediate area around the front of the airbox. My RPM drop is never as >much when the engine area is relatively cool soon after first start up verus >a restart when the engine is hot from a recent flight. I attribute this to >the air temp of that bypass air. >Dale in NC > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 04:06:59 PM PST US From: "Tim Bryan" Subject: RE: RV-List: Carb Heat --> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" Didn't even think of that. Thank You Tim -------Original Message------- From: John Danielson Subject: RE: RV-List: Carb Heat --> RV-List message posted by: "John Danielson" Tim, You don't want to block the opening off. This is how the hot air dissipates when the carb heat is off. With the carb heat off, where is all that hot air going to go. Its going to get really hot on top of the intake plenum. John L. Danielson -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Bryan Subject: Re: RV-List: Carb Heat --> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" This is getting my attention now. I wondered why the standoff allowed unheated air in so I blocked most of the opening around the standoff. Do you think there would not be enough volume via the standard scat tube? Maybe I should remove my block offs. Tim RV-6 -------Original Message------- From: GMC Subject: Re: RV-List: Carb Heat --> RV-List message posted by: GMC Hi Dale Yes you are right. I forgot about that raised standoff area that allows cooler bypass air in. On the advice of others I had eliminated the standoff for the scat tube flange when building and my aircraft has been breathing warm air only through the scat tube (now increased in size). Do you have any numbers on carb air temperature rise with your setup. George in Langley BC do not archive Dale Ensing wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" > >George in BC >Regarding RPM drop.... >If you are using Vans set up on the airbox, not all of the inlet air is >coming thru the 2 in. SCAT tubing from the heat muff. The mounting for the 2 >in. SCAT nipple on the air box allows for bypass air which is pulled from >the immediate area around the front of the airbox. My RPM drop is never as >much when the engine area is relatively cool soon after first start up verus >a restart when the engine is hot from a recent flight. I attribute this to >the air temp of that bypass air. >Dale in NC > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 06:45:54 PM PST US From: "Vic Jacko" Subject: RV-List: EGT/ CHT Gauges --> RV-List message posted by: "Vic Jacko" Hi List, maybe someone can enlighten me on the following scenario: When I took my basic flight training I flew two different Cessna 152's. One had an EGT and the other did not. I have owned other aircraft which had the EGT but I fail to understand the importantance of this gauge. I generally lean at altitude by slowly leaning the mixture until the engine misses then enrichen only enough to smooth the engine. I have at times used the EGT but end up using the aforementioned leaning system as it appears to be easier and in my opinion with a carbureted engine the way to go.. Would you tell me how and when the EGT would be "really important" to have? I consider CHT far more important than EGT allthough the are slower to react.. Remember that we are talking about four stroke engines. Two stroke engines may require a closer look at the EGT. I don't think the EGT is even required on certified aircraft as it was not on the equipment list for one of the 152's I flew back in the spam can days. Thanks to the experts who are about to comment on this subject ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 07:37:53 PM PST US From: Fiveonepw@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: EGT/ CHT Gauges --> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com In a message dated 07/13/2005 7:47:19 PM Central Standard Time, vicwj@earthlink.net writes: Would you tell me how and when the EGT would be "really important" to have? >>> Not particularly important on a carbureted Lyc- much more so on injected engines- but when I glance at the EGT during instrument scan, (particularly during or after any climbing) if it reads in the 1300s it translates as "you forgot to lean, dummy" and I grab the red knob... Plus, having all four monitored can assist with diagnostics (like- you forgot to lean!) or which plug is fouled, valve sticking, (I think) intake leak etc. Mark ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 07:54:53 PM PST US From: "Larry Pardue" Subject: Re: RV-List: EGT/ CHT Gauges --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue" > --> RV-List message posted by: "Vic Jacko" > > Hi List, maybe someone can enlighten me on the following scenario: > > When I took my basic flight training I flew two different Cessna 152's. > One had an EGT and the other did not. I have owned other aircraft which > had > the EGT but I fail to understand the importantance of this gauge. > > I generally lean at altitude by slowly leaning the mixture until the > engine > misses then enrichen only enough to smooth the engine. I have at times > used > the EGT but end up using the aforementioned leaning system as it appears > to > be easier and in my opinion with a carbureted engine the way to go.. > > Would you tell me how and when the EGT would be "really important" to > have? > > I consider CHT far more important than EGT allthough the are slower to > react.. > Vic, Your leaning method is perfectly in line with the Lycoming guidelines. The EGT might be important with an injected engine. With your situation CHT is far more important, not for leaning but for determing engine cooling. Larry Pardue Carlsbad, NM RV-6 N441LP Flying http://n5lp.net ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 10:08:44 PM PST US From: Greg Grigson Subject: RE: RV-List: acoustical and thermal insuluation --> RV-List message posted by: Greg Grigson Thanks for the site. I thought (poor memory) that SS recommended a spray adhesive. So with my -6A panel complete I didn't want a lot of aerosal glue flying around under there, especially with me in the too-familiar contorted pose! BTW I bought the Super Soundproofing Mat. Aloha. Greg in Honolulu --- Vincent Himsl wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Vincent Himsl" > > > Hello, > There is a complete article on using and installing > the super sound proof > foam. You can order it free from Aircraft Spruce > (09-42755 HOW TO SOUNDPROOF > LIGHT A/C) or download it online > http://www.soundproofing.org/infopages/soundprf.html > > I found it to be very helpful and informative. It > talks about the glue and > how you should spot it on rather than layer it on > completely as you 'will' > someday need to remove the soundproofing for > whatever reason. > > I have the floor of my RV8 covered with the super > stuff and just by tapping > on the outside of the fuselage above and below it, > you can really tell the > difference. However several builders, now flying > (archives), are of the > opinion that noise canceling headsets make the most > difference. > > Regards, > Vince Himsl RV8-VSB Finish > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On > Behalf Of Greg Grigson > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: acoustical and thremal > insuluation > > --> RV-List message posted by: Greg Grigson > > > So... any suggestions on good adhesives or > attachment > methods for the black foam soundproofing. What are > your thoughts on 3M Super Weatherstrip Adhesive aka > "Camel Snot"? > > Greg in Honolulu > > > --- Kyle Boatright wrote: > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Karen and Robert Brown" > > > > To: > > Subject: Re: RV-List: acoustical and thremal > > insuluation > > > > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Karen and Robert > > Brown" > > > > > > > > > Aircraft Spruce has a free booklet (p/n > 09-42755) > > in their catalog that > > > discusses the details of insulating an aircraft, > > giving several options. > > > I'd recommend starting there. On my 7A, I used > > the sandwich technique > > > described in the book and made templates to fit > > each area of skin in the > > > airplane. These sandwiches are foam/aluminum > > foil/foam, put together with > > > spray on contact cement. I will have about 2" > of > > this material (3 or 4 > > > sandwiches) on the firewall, about 1" everywhere > > else. I put it on all > > > metal surfaces that are not occupied with > > something else, including > > > subpanel areas, behind the baggage bulkhead and > > areas in the tail. Total > > > weight to the airplane is about 10 pounds. I > used > > the 1/4" "Super > > > Soundproofing Sheet" foam from Spruce (p/n > 42720). > > That makes one > > > "sandwich" a little thicker than 1/2" once the > > foil is put in. I've > > > sprayed contact cement lightly to the aluminum > to > > attach these. You can > > > still rip em out if you want to, but they are > > attached more pe! > > > rmanently than velcro. The plane isn't flying > > yet, but there is an > > > incredible difference just being inside it and > > working...it's like a sound > > > studio. > > > > > > Bob Brown > > > RV7A - wingtip lights/waiting on engine > > > > Bob, > > > > You may want to investigate some other attachment > > method than spray on > > contact adhesive. My experience is that it does > not > > hold up well against > > the firewall. In fact, I've re-attached the > > insulation on my RV-6 firewall > > a couple of times over the course of 300 and > > something flight hours. > > Standing on my head in the footwell re-attaching > > insulation ranks about a 10 > > on the misery index... > > > > KB > > > > > > > > browse > > Subscriptions page, > > FAQ, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > > > > > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 10:22:27 PM PST US From: Greg Grigson Subject: Re: RV-List: cutting out wheel pants --> RV-List message posted by: Greg Grigson Danny, Just got my wheelpants done two weeks ago in my 6A. I cut a slot, starting out about with of the gear leg bottom diameter, then worked my way up to provide at least 1/4" of clearance. One is right "on" the other is a liitle off. How much? Who knows, you cover it all in fiberglass and hardly ever see it again. Man, if your workin on "the" pants you're really close! I found that, as others have previously voiced, fiberglass is not too difficult to learn. Especially if you have some Lancair buddies. Just a bit tedious. I will have a body man fix all my lumpy surfaces prior to painting, I've found I don't have the eye or the patience for the super smooth, flowing look. There's a good link somewhere I'm sure you have on materials and layups.. BTW I used my wife's ceramic potters clay (water based) with good results. Couldn't find oil-based in the islands mon. Aloha. Greg --- Sportypilot wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Sportypilot" > > > I got the gear on and have been trying to figure out > how not to make a > mistake on cutting out the rear portion of > the wheel pant to get it over the tire so i can mark > the cut out for the > gear leg.. what did you guys start with on the > size hole or end with so I can cut it once and the > fit the side for the > leg.. then I can find where to drill the holes for > the attach brackets.. I have the leg fairings cut > out and clamped at the top > but the next step to get the wheel pants on > so I can start with the clay.. any help email or > otherwise.. would be > awesome.. > > > thnks in advance.. > > Danny.. > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 11:06:49 PM PST US From: "James E. Clark" Subject: RV-List: How are you keeping the water out of an RV6/7 "Tip-Up"???? --> RV-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" For those of you with the RV6 or7 "Tip-Up" Canopy, how do you keep rain water from running into your avionics etc.? This is assuming the plane is OUTSIDE and UNCOVERED. A scenario for this is when you are at an Airshow like Sun-n-Fun or AirVenture and a surprise shower comes up OR when you are taxiing in and get caught by a shower. The last scenario is particularly bad when you go to open the canopy and all of the water from the canopy drains inside (unless you have someone meet you to remove the water first. :-) Did you build a seal/ditch using just silicone or did you use water repellent cloth? Or did you put a metal cover over everything?? Any ideas from someone who has "been there" will be REALLY appreciated. I am heading toward OSH real soon and need to fix this somehow over the next few days. Thanks, James