---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 07/22/05: 31 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:05 AM - Re: Control Stick Grip (alan@reichertech.com) 2. 04:56 AM - Re: Control Stick Grip (CBRxxDRV@aol.com) 3. 06:32 AM - Re: Control Stick Grip (Scott Bilinski) 4. 07:15 AM - Re: Control Stick Length (LarryRobertHelming) 5. 07:17 AM - Re: Control Stick Length (Ron Lee) 6. 07:35 AM - RV-10 Tail Kit For Sale (John Brick) 7. 08:13 AM - Adel Clamp Hardware (David E. Nelson) 8. 08:37 AM - Re: Control Stick Grip (Terry Watson) 9. 09:10 AM - Re: Adel Clamp Hardware 15, 2004) at 07/22/2005 10:12:49 AM, Serialize by Router on MailServ58-US/AUS/H/NIC(Release 6.5.3FP1|December 15, 2004) at 07/22/2005 10:12:52 AM, Serialize complete at 07/22/2005 10:12:52 AM (Stein Bruch) 10. 09:19 AM - Re: Control Stick Grip (Scott Bilinski) 11. 11:19 AM - Re: Adel Clamp Hardware 15, 2004) at 07/22/2005 10:12:49 AM, Serialize by Router on MailServ58-US/AUS/H/NIC(Release 6.5.3FP1|December 15, 2004) at 07/22/2005 10:12:52 AM, Serialize complete at 07/22/2005 10:12:52 AM (Kevin Horton) 12. 12:13 PM - first flight (RAS) 13. 12:32 PM - Re: E-703/Elevator skin mis-match (owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com) 14. 01:22 PM - Re: first flight (bill shook) 15. 02:25 PM - Re: first flight (Hull, Don) 16. 02:38 PM - OSH Internet (Larry Bowen) 17. 04:13 PM - Re: OSH Internet (Louis Willig) 18. 04:40 PM - Tailwheel (Donald L. Erickson) 19. 04:50 PM - Re: OSH Internet (Mark) 20. 05:51 PM - Re: OSH Internet (Tom Gummo) 21. 05:51 PM - Re: first flight (linn walters) 22. 06:14 PM - oops dimple (Richard Leach) 23. 06:34 PM - Re: oops dimple (Kyle Boatright) 24. 06:44 PM - Re: OSH Internet (Larry Bowen) 25. 06:44 PM - Re: oops dimple (Dan Checkoway) 26. 07:07 PM - Re: oops dimple (MLWynn@aol.com) 27. 07:09 PM - Re: OSH Internet (Paul Besing) 28. 07:38 PM - Re: oops dimple (Tim Bryan) 29. 08:12 PM - Post your KitLog on our Website (Paul Besing) 30. 10:07 PM - Re: Post your KitLog on our Website (Rob Prior (rv7)) 31. 10:30 PM - Re: Post your KitLog on our Website (Paul Besing) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:05:01 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Control Stick Grip From: alan@reichertech.com --> RV-List message posted by: alan@reichertech.com This thread has concentrated on control stick grips. What about throttle grips? For example, the F-15 throttles put a number of functions in the left hand. Anyone make something similar? - Alan > Time: 01:03:25 AM PST US > From: "Paul Besing" > Subject: RE: RV-List: Control Stick Grip > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" > > You can't go wrong with Infinity Aero's grips. They are top notch > quality, > and he can build them custom to however you like with just about any > switch > combination. > > I didn't end up using many of the switches, but I loved having the trim > and > flaps on the switch. > > Paul Besing > RV-6A Sold > Kitlog Builder's Software > www.kitlog.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:56:05 AM PST US From: CBRxxDRV@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Control Stick Grip --> RV-List message posted by: CBRxxDRV@aol.com In a message dated 7/22/2005 7:08:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, alan@reichertech.com writes: > This thread has concentrated on control stick grips. What about throttle > grips? For example, the F-15 throttles put a number of functions in the > left hand. Anyone make something similar? > Infinity makes a throttle full of switchs. RV-4 RV-8 QB .... Fuselage Sal Capra Lakeland, FL My Home Page ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:32:48 AM PST US From: Scott Bilinski Subject: RE: RV-List: Control Stick Grip --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski Sure do! http://www.infinityaerospace.com/Quadrant.htm The Infinity 1 Military Throttle Handle and Quadrant, too, was designed with safety, comfort, functionality and durability in mind. The ergonomic handle is tear drop shaped with finger knurls, fits the entire palm of the hand, and is canted 15 degrees counter-clockwise for left hand operation and wrist comfort. The right throttle handle is just like the left, but cants 15 degrees clockwise (of course). The center console mounted throttle handle is horizontal between the pilot and co-pilot, with the three 4-way switches installed on BOTH sides of the throttle handle and are wired in parallel so either the pilot or co-pilot has the same controls. The non-glare black finish is also abrasion and impact resistant for long life, yet is easily maintainable and repairable. The HOT has 10 to 13 switches / 19 functions on a 1 to 3 lever quadrant. Throttle quadrant lever possibilities: Three levers for throttle, mixture and constant speed prop; OR -- two levers for throttle and mixture if the prop is either a computerized constant-speed prop or a fixed pitch prop; OR -- one lever for throttle only if the aircraft is jet powered, or the engine has duel electronic ignition and the prop is either a computerized constant-speed prop or a fixed pitch prop. The old technology of a single throttle / quadrant friction knob (or lever) smashing all levers, has been replaced by a modern system whereby each lever has an adjustable ratcheting action that keeps the levers from creeping, yet levers still move easily. The thumb will operate three, 4-way UP-and-DN / fore-and-aft momentary in all direction switches on the side of the throttle handle, which can power anything that needs a N.O. momentary switch. EXAMPLES: The middle 4-way momentary switch controls VHF COM 1 & 2 (UP / DN) Push-to-Talk (PTT). The fore / aft movement could be used for CB or telephone PTT, or transponder IDENT, or stepping frequencies, or frequency flip-flop (now you don't need to buy that ~$2500 Audio Panel -- we don't use Audio Panels in the Navy); the 4-way momentary switch located aft of the center PTT can operate flaps or flaperons (UP / DN), and the speed brake (fore / aft) (or electric cowl flaps, or switch between radios, or switch between navigation radios, or electric prop); and the 4-way momentary switch forward of the center PTT controls the moving map cursor / mouse for the new EFIS Systems (such as Blue Moutain Avioincs EFIS 1) and GPS's. The momentary push-button switch on the front side under the index finger is the 'pick' push-button for the moving map cursor / mouse. The middle finger operates the N.O. momentary Engine Start, and the ring finger operates an ON/OFF Auxiliary Fuel Pump push-button -- now, the pilot doesn't have to stop flying the aircraft in an emergency to look down into the cockpit to find the Engine Start *or* the Auxiliary Fuel Pump Switch. Handles can be customized -- for those who want to fly with the Stick Grip in the left hand and use the throttle in the right hand (~18% of the world is left handed), the company will swap the controls for Infinity 1 customers. We are the manufacturers of the only left handed Stick Grips AND right handed throttle handles for Sport Aircraft in the world! We also have 2 row handle models of the 4-way switches, or no switches (blanks) on either side of the handle. But the bottom pushbuttons will still be there. At 07:03 AM 7/22/2005 -0400, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: alan@reichertech.com > > >This thread has concentrated on control stick grips. What about throttle >grips? For example, the F-15 throttles put a number of functions in the >left hand. Anyone make something similar? > >- Alan > > > Time: 01:03:25 AM PST US > > From: "Paul Besing" > > Subject: RE: RV-List: Control Stick Grip > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" > > > > You can't go wrong with Infinity Aero's grips. They are top notch > > quality, > > and he can build them custom to however you like with just about any > > switch > > combination. > > > > I didn't end up using many of the switches, but I loved having the trim > > and > > flaps on the switch. > > > > Paul Besing > > RV-6A Sold > > Kitlog Builder's Software > > www.kitlog.com > > Scott Bilinski Eng dept 305 Phone (858) 657-2536 Pager (858) 502-5190 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:15:46 AM PST US From: "LarryRobertHelming" Subject: Re: RV-List: Control Stick Length --> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" The more you cut off the easier it is to get in and out of the plane. On the down side if you can call it that, the more you cut off the more sensitive your controls are. I like leaving it somewhat long at first. Too short could be deadly unless you are a better pilot. Look at Vans planes at O this year and see where they set theirs. I bet theirs are neither too long or too short. Take a string along to measure. I am not sure I have mine cut where I want it yet. With a grip on top I cut mine so it just would barely not interfere with my panel and other controls. I might take another inch or so off once I get better at flying this sensitive and responsive SunSeeker. Still learning.......The grin is still there after 50 hours............What more can I say.......Keep pounding those rivets..........It does not get much better than flying your own RV.......... Indiana Larry, RV7 Tip Up It Flies Teamwork: " A lot of people doing exactly what I say." (Marketing exec., Citrix Corp.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" Subject: RV-List: Control Stick Length > --> RV-List message posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" > > > HI all: > > This thread got me to thinking.....I've seen and flown a few RV-6s with > the > sticks full length as provided by Van's. I like to rest my hand on my > thigh > and fly with my fingertips most of the time and I'd like to have my stick > grip (PTT etc.) close by when doing so. So.....gotta cut the sticks off. > Good or bad idea? Any suggestions as to how much to cut off? If you > don't > remember how much you cut off just measure up from the top of the bearing > tube that the pivot bolt goes through. Tell me what your reference point > is. > Thanks. > > Dean Psiropoulos > RV-6A N197DM > Ahh baffles > > ------Original > Message------------------------------------------------------ > Time: 03:55:32 PM PST US > From: > Subject: Re: RV-List: Control Stick Grip > > --> RV-List message posted by: > > We tried the CH Products grip on our RV6. The grip cants forward, and we > were not able to use because we put a lower extension on our panel and the > grip would hit it before hitting the stops. > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:17:59 AM PST US From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: RV-List: Control Stick Length --> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee I fly the same way so whether it is a good idea or not I can't say. The fact that no one flies around me might be a clue. I measured from the welded offset in the stick. That point is almost at the same height (above the floor) as the bolt that runs fore/aft adjacent and right of the stick. Currently the top of my stick is 11.75 inches above that weld point. The PTT switch is on top and I have to use another hand to use it so I am estimating that I would prefer the stick to be 2 inches SHORTER. No way does my stick get close to any panel surface. If I had a RV with the normal length stick that would be hacked off right away. Ron Lee >This thread got me to thinking.....I've seen and flown a few RV-6s with the >sticks full length as provided by Van's. I like to rest my hand on my thigh >and fly with my fingertips most of the time and I'd like to have my stick >grip (PTT etc.) close by when doing so. So.....gotta cut the sticks off. >Good or bad idea? ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:35:12 AM PST US From: "John Brick" Subject: RV-List: RV-10 Tail Kit For Sale --> RV-List message posted by: "John Brick" Posted for a friend. Please contact Terry RV-10 tail cone kit. Horizontal Stab, Vertical Stab, Rudder, and Elevators completed. Tail cone not started, so items can be shipped easily. Previous RV builder constructed. At Pierce County - Thun Field (1S0) Puyallup, WA $3800 Terry O'Brien Call 206-915-7370 or email rvflyer@comcast.net for pictures. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:13:23 AM PST US From: "David E. Nelson" Subject: RV-List: Adel Clamp Hardware 15, 2004) at 07/22/2005 10:12:49 AM, Serialize by Router on MailServ58-US/AUS/H/NIC(Release 6.5.3FP1|December 15, 2004) at 07/22/2005 10:12:52 AM, Serialize complete at 07/22/2005 10:12:52 AM --> RV-List message posted by: "David E. Nelson" Hi All, I'm getting ready to place a "parts" order and since I've yet to work w/ Adel clamps, I've got a quick question: What is the standard/recommened way to attach Adel clamps to each other? Using an AN3 bolt w/ a lock nut or AN515-8R8 pan-head screw w/ a lock nut? Thanks, /\/elson RV-7A - Fuse Austin, TX ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:37:03 AM PST US From: "Terry Watson" Subject: RE: RV-List: Control Stick Grip --> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" This throttle quadrant has been "coming soon" for about as long as I have been building, and I have kit number 80729. (Started June '98) Has anyone ever seen one? Terry Sure do! http://www.infinityaerospace.com/Quadrant.htm ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:10:39 AM PST US From: "Stein Bruch" Subject: RE: RV-List: Adel Clamp Hardware 15, 2004) at 07/22/2005 10:12:49 AM, Serialize by Router on MailServ58-US/AUS/H/NIC(Release 6.5.3FP1|December 15, 2004) at 07/22/2005 10:12:52 AM, Serialize complete at 07/22/2005 10:12:52 AM --> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" Either one works just fine, but the larger screws will come in handy when you need to work on them, as a screwdriver is usually much more handy and a bit faster than using a ratchet/socket combo, etc... Just my 2 cents! Cheers, Stein. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of David E. Nelson Subject: RV-List: Adel Clamp Hardware 15, 2004) at 07/22/2005 10:12:49 AM, Serialize by Router on MailServ58-US/AUS/H/NIC(Release 6.5.3FP1|December 15, 2004) at 07/22/2005 10:12:52 AM, Serialize complete at 07/22/2005 10:12:52 AM --> RV-List message posted by: "David E. Nelson" Hi All, I'm getting ready to place a "parts" order and since I've yet to work w/ Adel clamps, I've got a quick question: What is the standard/recommened way to attach Adel clamps to each other? Using an AN3 bolt w/ a lock nut or AN515-8R8 pan-head screw w/ a lock nut? Thanks, /\/elson RV-7A - Fuse Austin, TX ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:19:41 AM PST US From: Scott Bilinski Subject: RE: RV-List: Control Stick Grip --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski I was also surprised that it is not on the market yet. I did see one at OSH last year and the designer one brought over to my hanger to see if it would fit in an RV-8a. It would, with a little custom sheet metal work. If you want a drop in, this is not for you. At 08:35 AM 7/22/2005 -0700, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" > >This throttle quadrant has been "coming soon" for about as long as I have >been building, and I have kit number 80729. (Started June '98) Has anyone >ever seen one? > >Terry > > >Sure do! >http://www.infinityaerospace.com/Quadrant.htm > > Scott Bilinski Eng dept 305 Phone (858) 657-2536 Pager (858) 502-5190 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:19:17 AM PST US From: Kevin Horton Subject: Re: RV-List: Adel Clamp Hardware 15, 2004) at 07/22/2005 10:12:49 AM, Serialize by Router on MailServ58-US/AUS/H/NIC(Release 6.5.3FP1|December 15, 2004) at 07/22/2005 10:12:52 AM, Serialize complete at 07/22/2005 10:12:52 AM --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton On 22 Jul 2005, at 11:12, David E. Nelson wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "David E. Nelson" > > > > Hi All, > > I'm getting ready to place a "parts" order and since I've yet to > work w/ Adel > clamps, I've got a quick question: > > What is the standard/recommened way to attach Adel clamps to each > other? > Using an AN3 bolt w/ a lock nut or AN515-8R8 pan-head screw w/ a > lock nut? > > Thanks, > /\/elson > RV-7A - Fuse > Austin, TX Either will work, but most people seem to use the AN515-8RX screw, as it is strong enough, lighter, cheaper, and it is easier to get it in the Adel clamp holes (things tend to move around a bit as you are assembling them, and the additional clearance between the screw and the side of the hole helps). If you are on the engine side of the firewall, use all metal locknuts, such as AN363-832 nuts. These can be a bit tight, and you will twist off the occasional AN515 screw - it helps to use something like Boelube, or some other waxy solid lubricant on the screw threads. Have fun, Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit) Ottawa, Canada http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:13:36 PM PST US From: "RAS" Subject: RV-List: first flight --> RV-List message posted by: "RAS" Hi all, First flight today of RV7 G-XIII at Newtownards airfield, Northern Ireland. this is the first RV constructed in Northern Ireland. build time approx 1.5 years. New O-360A1A, sensenich prop.empty weight 1029LBS on calibrated scales. Dedicated to my late fiancee Ellen Dalzell who passed away on May 4th 2005, afetr loosing battle with cancer Marcel de Ruiter ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:32:44 PM PST US From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com Subject: RE: RV-List: E-703/Elevator skin mis-match --> RV-List message posted by: Just a thought, I've had parts mislabeled. By this I mean that inventory was OK but the part was not the one that the label said it was - happened on the RV8 ailerons. Michele > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list- > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MLWynn@aol.com > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 5:03 AM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: E-703/Elevator skin mis-match > > --> RV-List message posted by: MLWynn@aol.com > > In a message dated 7/20/2005 5:32:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > kboatright1@comcast.net writes: > Is there any chance you're installing the left elevator rib on the right > elevator? It would be upside down and backwards in that instance, and > might > cause the kind of misalignment you're seeing. > > KB > Hi Kyle > > I don't think so. Both are the same part number and actually, when I > tried > it, both fit the left skin. I am going to take the rest of the skeleton > out > and see if there is some sort of misalignment in the spar. This is a real > head-scratcher for me. > > Thanks, > > Michael Wynn > RV 8 in confusion. > > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:22:19 PM PST US From: bill shook Subject: Re: RV-List: first flight --> RV-List message posted by: bill shook Congratulations Marcel. Fly safe, fly fast and fly often. Bill -4 wings --- RAS wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "RAS" > > Hi all, > > First flight today of RV7 G-XIII at Newtownards airfield, Northern Ireland. > this is the first RV constructed in Northern Ireland. build time approx 1.5 > years. New O-360A1A, sensenich prop.empty weight 1029LBS on calibrated > scales. Dedicated to my late fiancee Ellen Dalzell who passed away on May > 4th 2005, afetr loosing battle with cancer > > Marcel de Ruiter > > > > > > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:25:17 PM PST US From: "Hull, Don" Subject: RE: RV-List: first flight --> RV-List message posted by: "Hull, Don" Congratulations, Marcel! And what a wonderful tribute to Ellen. Each time you fly, you'll be a little closer to her. Best Wishes, Don Hull RV-7 Emp North Alabama -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RAS Subject: RV-List: first flight --> RV-List message posted by: "RAS" --> Hi all, First flight today of RV7 G-XIII at Newtownards airfield, Northern Ireland. this is the first RV constructed in Northern Ireland. build time approx 1.5 years. New O-360A1A, sensenich prop.empty weight 1029LBS on calibrated scales. Dedicated to my late fiancee Ellen Dalzell who passed away on May 4th 2005, afetr loosing battle with cancer Marcel de Ruiter ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:38:21 PM PST US From: "Larry Bowen" Subject: RV-List: OSH Internet --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" Anyone know if there is wireless internet access on the OSH grounds? - Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com Do not archive ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:13:26 PM PST US From: Louis Willig Subject: Re: RV-List: OSH Internet --> RV-List message posted by: Louis Willig At 05:37 PM 7/22/2005, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" > >Anyone know if there is wireless internet access on the OSH grounds? If there WIFI at the KOSH, it'll probably cost you $ 5.00 / minute. Hey!! They have to make a profit, don't they? Do not archive. Luigi ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:40:21 PM PST US From: "Donald L. Erickson" Subject: RV-List: Tailwheel mail003.fastfreedom.net autolearn=ham version=3.0.2 --> RV-List message posted by: "Donald L. Erickson" Does any one have a drawing of Van's current RV 8 tailwheel. Mine is new and does not lock into the steering arm. The spring and plunger move freely but fail to extend into the "pocket" in the aft area of the housing. What am I missing? Don N874DE Finish Kit ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:50:43 PM PST US From: "Mark" <2eyedocs@comcast.net> Subject: Re: RV-List: OSH Internet --> RV-List message posted by: "Mark" <2eyedocs@comcast.net> "Anyone know if there is wireless internet access on the OSH grounds?" Larry, My thoughts, exactly. How do they expect us to be away from the List for so long if they don't have a connection? ;-) Mark ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:51:42 PM PST US From: "Tom Gummo" Subject: Re: RV-List: OSH Internet --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" I believe there was an Internet Cafe. Don't know about the cost or wireless capabilities. Tom Gummo Apple Valley, CA Harmon Rocket-II do not archive http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louis Willig" Subject: Re: RV-List: OSH Internet > --> RV-List message posted by: Louis Willig > > At 05:37 PM 7/22/2005, you wrote: >>--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" >> >>Anyone know if there is wireless internet access on the OSH grounds? > > > If there WIFI at the KOSH, it'll probably cost you $ 5.00 / minute. Hey!! > They have to make a profit, don't they? > > Do not archive. > > Luigi > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:51:42 PM PST US From: linn walters Subject: Re: RV-List: first flight --> RV-List message posted by: linn walters Marcel, Congratulations! And a FIRST! My condolences on the loss of your fiancee. May you find another special person to share your adventures with! Linn do not archive. RAS wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "RAS" > >Hi all, > >First flight today of RV7 G-XIII at Newtownards airfield, Northern Ireland. >this is the first RV constructed in Northern Ireland. build time approx 1.5 >years. New O-360A1A, sensenich prop.empty weight 1029LBS on calibrated >scales. Dedicated to my late fiancee Ellen Dalzell who passed away on May >4th 2005, afetr loosing battle with cancer > >Marcel de Ruiter > > > > -- ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 06:14:08 PM PST US From: "Richard Leach" Subject: RV-List: oops dimple --> RV-List message posted by: "Richard Leach" In my efforts to be extra careful, I succeeded in letting my C-frame slip and I put a dimple in the VS skin almost perfectly in line with the other holes and maybe =BC inch from another hole. I did not penetrate the skin, only made a dent. Noticable if you look close. I have debated what to do to include ordering another skin. I could use some advice. I have thought about taking a ball peen hammer and lightly tapping it out; drilling a hole in the dimple and then the flange and then putting in an extra rivet; or, using some sort of a filler after the vs is together. Would someone please advise. I=92m sure I am not the first this has happened to. I searched the archives but didn=92t find anything specific. For all of you at or going to Osh, I=92m jealous. Hope to see you next year. Send out the poop on the new stuff from osh on panels. Tim, yours is looking good. thanks Rick Leach 40397 N512RM reserved ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 06:34:23 PM PST US From: "Kyle Boatright" Subject: Re: RV-List: oops dimple --> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" If you have decent edge distance (the distance was garbled in your note), you can probably deal with it easily. Personally, I'd cleco the assembly together, put a bucking bar under the flange beneath the excess dimple, and use the flat set in your rivet gun to carefully flatten the dimple. If there is a blemish left, fill it before you paint. KB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Leach" Subject: RV-List: oops dimple > --> RV-List message posted by: "Richard Leach" > > In my efforts to be extra careful, I succeeded in letting my C-frame > slip and I put a dimple in the VS skin almost perfectly in line with the > other holes and maybe =BC inch from another hole. I did not penetrate the > skin, only made a dent. Noticable if you look close. I have debated > what to do to include ordering another skin. I could use some advice. > I have thought about taking a ball peen hammer and lightly tapping it > out; drilling a hole in the dimple and then the flange and then putting > in an extra rivet; or, using some sort of a filler after the vs is > together. Would someone please advise. I=92m sure I am not the first > this has happened to. I searched the archives but didn=92t find anything > specific. > For all of you at or going to Osh, I=92m jealous. Hope to see you next > year. Send out the poop on the new stuff from osh on panels. Tim, yours > is looking good. > > thanks > > Rick Leach > 40397 > N512RM reserved > > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 06:44:02 PM PST US From: "Larry Bowen" Subject: RE: RV-List: OSH Internet --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" I was prompted to ask because of the picture on the camping page: http://airventure.org/2005/planning/camping_with_aircraft.html Maybe he's playing solitare... - Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark > Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 7:38 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: OSH Internet > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Mark" <2eyedocs@comcast.net> > > "Anyone know if there is wireless internet access on the OSH grounds?" > > > Larry, > > My thoughts, exactly. How do they expect us to be away from > the List for so long if they don't have a connection? ;-) > > Mark > > > Photoshare, and much much more: > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 06:44:02 PM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: oops dimple --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" Put it up against your back riveting plate, and shoot it a bit with your flush rivet set. It should flatten out. Worst case, you'll use some filler there before paint. Or...if the hole doesn't coincide with a rib or spar flange or whatever, just drill it out, deburr it, dimple it, and put a rivet in. It'll look like it was meant to be. )_( Dan RV-7 N714D http://www.rvproject.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Leach" Subject: RV-List: oops dimple > --> RV-List message posted by: "Richard Leach" > > In my efforts to be extra careful, I succeeded in letting my C-frame > slip and I put a dimple in the VS skin almost perfectly in line with the > other holes and maybe =BC inch from another hole. I did not penetrate the > skin, only made a dent. Noticable if you look close. I have debated > what to do to include ordering another skin. I could use some advice. > I have thought about taking a ball peen hammer and lightly tapping it > out; drilling a hole in the dimple and then the flange and then putting > in an extra rivet; or, using some sort of a filler after the vs is > together. Would someone please advise. I=92m sure I am not the first > this has happened to. I searched the archives but didn=92t find anything > specific. > For all of you at or going to Osh, I=92m jealous. Hope to see you next > year. Send out the poop on the new stuff from osh on panels. Tim, yours > is looking good. > > thanks > > Rick Leach > 40397 > N512RM reserved > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 07:07:12 PM PST US From: MLWynn@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: oops dimple --> RV-List message posted by: MLWynn@aol.com I also did this, same general method. I was worried and took it to my Saturday morning EAA breakfast (where my local EAA tech counselor can always be found). He said basically what everyone else here said: flatten it out carefully. Fill and paint. It is otherwise inconsequential. Good luck Michael Wynn RV-8 Empennage ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 07:09:41 PM PST US From: "Paul Besing" Subject: RE: RV-List: OSH Internet --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" They did offer it to exhibitors in the exhibit hangars. It something like $300 for the week! Paul Besing President Aeroware Enterprises, LLC paul@kitlog.com www.kitlog.com 480.361.9011 Office 480.236.2786 Cell -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Larry Bowen Subject: RV-List: OSH Internet --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" Anyone know if there is wireless internet access on the OSH grounds? - Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com Do not archive ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 07:38:28 PM PST US From: "Tim Bryan" Subject: Re: RV-List: oops dimple --> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" Rick, don't buy another skin for this. things will happen along the way and you will find the best way to deal with it. My recent oops was a biggie New skin not an option. I was drilling from the inside out for the fuel vent line and somehow managed to drill a 1/2" hole in the side of the fues *Above* the wing area. Dang! Patch and fill will have to be the answer, cause it goes to the airport in two weeks and I'm not budging. Tim -------Original Message------- From: Richard Leach Subject: RV-List: oops dimple --> RV-List message posted by: "Richard Leach" In my efforts to be extra careful, I succeeded in letting my C-frame slip and I put a dimple in the VS skin almost perfectly in line with the other holes and maybe BC inch from another hole. I did not penetrate the skin, only made a dent. Noticable if you look close. I have debated what to do to include ordering another skin. I could use some advice. I have thought about taking a ball peen hammer and lightly tapping it out; drilling a hole in the dimple and then the flange and then putting in an extra rivet; or, using some sort of a filler after the vs is together. Would someone please advise. I92m sure I am not the first this has happened to. I searched the archives but didn92t find anything specific. For all of you at or going to Osh, I92m jealous. Hope to see you next year. Send out the poop on the new stuff from osh on panels. Tim, yours is looking good. thanks Rick Leach 40397 N512RM reserved ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 08:12:16 PM PST US From: "Paul Besing" Subject: RV-List: Post your KitLog on our Website --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" Do Not Archive KitLog Pro v2.0 users: You can now post your log on the internet. Simply click the "Post to Internet" button within KitLog, and you will post your construction log on our website, free of charge. You can then look up your name under the Builders, Aircraft Type, or Location section. www.kitlog.com/mykitlog. For an example of what a detailed log looks like, view Richard Glick's log at: http://www.kitlog.com/mykitlog/index.php?p=builders&builderid=154 Enjoy! Paul Besing President Aeroware Enterprises, LLC paul@kitlog.com www.kitlog.com 480.361.9011 Office 480.236.2786 Cell ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 10:07:55 PM PST US From: "Rob Prior (rv7)" Subject: Re: RV-List: Post your KitLog on our Website --> RV-List message posted by: "Rob Prior (rv7)" On 20:11:39 2005-07-22 "Paul Besing" wrote: > You can now post your log on the internet. Simply click the "Post to > Internet" button within KitLog, and you will post your construction > log on our website, free of charge. Got a Linux version of KitLog yet? Guess i'll keep waiting... -Rob Do not archive. ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 10:30:05 PM PST US From: "Paul Besing" Subject: RE: RV-List: Post your KitLog on our Website --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" Nah, sorry, Rob. We are forced to build software for the masses, like most other software developers. Gates has us where he wants us. Yeah, pretty much a monopoly. Part of the reason why this version took so long to release was that we are using Windows standards, and in order to "conform" we had to progress as Microsoft does. Perfect example as why our software went from a 5 mb download to an 80mb download. do not archive Paul Besing RV-6A Sold Kitlog Builder's Software www.kitlog.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rob Prior (rv7) Subject: Re: RV-List: Post your KitLog on our Website --> RV-List message posted by: "Rob Prior (rv7)" On 20:11:39 2005-07-22 "Paul Besing" wrote: > You can now post your log on the internet. Simply click the "Post to > Internet" button within KitLog, and you will post your construction > log on our website, free of charge. Got a Linux version of KitLog yet? Guess i'll keep waiting... -Rob Do not archive.