---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 07/25/05: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:15 AM - Ellison Roars to Life! (Greg Grigson) 2. 12:18 AM - RV-6 Wing Kit for Sale (Greg Grigson) 3. 06:14 AM - Training for Flight... (alan@reichertech.com) 4. 07:54 AM - Re: first flight (Charles Rowbotham) 5. 08:56 AM - Needed: Ride home from Osh on Sunday to Kansas City (Matthew Brandes) 6. 09:29 AM - Source for Canopy? (Roger Evenson) 7. 09:55 AM - Re: Source for Canopy? (Matthew Brandes) 8. 10:39 AM - Re: first flight (RAS) 9. 01:07 PM - Re: Training for Flight... (CBRxxDRV@aol.com) 10. 01:07 PM - Re: Source for Canopy? (CBRxxDRV@aol.com) 11. 02:44 PM - Re: Source for Canopy? (WFACT01@aol.com) 12. 05:06 PM - Re: Needed: Ride home from Osh on Sunday to Kansas City (Bill and Tami Britton) 13. 05:40 PM - Re: Training for Flight... (Mike Draper) 14. 07:25 PM - OAT Probe location (rveighta) 15. 07:45 PM - Re: OAT Probe location (linn walters) 16. 08:00 PM - Re: first flight (Alex Peterson) 17. 08:04 PM - Re: OAT Probe location (Dan Checkoway) 18. 08:17 PM - Re: first flight (Jerry Springer) 19. 08:47 PM - Re: OAT Probe location (Ron Lee) 20. 09:02 PM - Re: OAT Probe location (Terry Watson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:15:02 AM PST US From: Greg Grigson Subject: RV-List: Ellison Roars to Life! --> RV-List message posted by: Greg Grigson Gang, Thanks for all the ideas and experiences on trouble-shooting my overly rich Ellison TBI. Jim Cone's method delivers a smooth running 2150 static RPM without leaning. I just back the throttle off a little from max and she runs just fine! Greg in Honolulu N number on FAA inspection next month ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:18:04 AM PST US From: Greg Grigson Subject: RV-List: RV-6 Wing Kit for Sale --> RV-List message posted by: Greg Grigson Contact me off list for details and photos. Don't worry about shipping, it's free! Greg ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:14:45 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: Training for Flight... From: alan@reichertech.com --> RV-List message posted by: alan@reichertech.com I'm a long way off from first flight, but have a curiosity question... I'm aware of some folks that offer transition training prior to first flight in their RV. How similar is flying a Decathlon to an RV-8? -- Alan Reichert Priv, Inst, SEL RV-8 N927AR (reserved) Prepping Horizontal Stabilizers for Assembly, New Vertical Stabilizer Parts On Order ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:54:58 AM PST US From: "Charles Rowbotham" Subject: RE: RV-List: first flight --> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" Marcel, CONGRATULATIONS and WELL DONE ! I'm sure your fiancee is smiling. Chuck & Dave Rowbotham RV-8A >From: "RAS" >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: >Subject: RV-List: first flight >Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 20:13:05 +0100 > >--> RV-List message posted by: "RAS" > > >Hi all, > >First flight today of RV7 G-XIII at Newtownards airfield, Northern Ireland. >this is the first RV constructed in Northern Ireland. build time approx 1.5 >years. New O-360A1A, sensenich prop.empty weight 1029LBS on calibrated >scales. Dedicated to my late fiancee Ellen Dalzell who passed away on May >4th 2005, afetr loosing battle with cancer > >Marcel de Ruiter ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:56:26 AM PST US From: "Matthew Brandes" Subject: RV-List: Needed: Ride home from Osh on Sunday to Kansas City --> RV-List message posted by: "Matthew Brandes" I've managed to get a ride up to Osh on Thursday so now I'm trying to find a ride home on Sunday. If anyone has an open seat coming back on Sunday, and it going south somewhere near Kansas City (any Texans?), I'd love to hitch a ride. You can catch me via email or on cellphone at 913-706-3087. Matthew Brandes, Van's RV-9A (Wiring) #90569 http://www.n523rv.com EAA Chapter 1329 President EAA Chapter 868 Web Editor ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:29:07 AM PST US From: "Roger Evenson" Subject: RV-List: Source for Canopy? --> RV-List message posted by: "Roger Evenson" Van's gets their side-by-side canopy bubbles from an outfit in Ohio. Does anyone know of any other sources? ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:55:50 AM PST US From: "Matthew Brandes" Subject: RV-List: RE: Source for Canopy? --> RV-List message posted by: "Matthew Brandes" http://www.aircraftextras.com/ Scroll to bottom. Matthew Brandes, Van's RV-9A (Wiring) #90569 http://www.n523rv.com EAA Chapter 1329 President EAA Chapter 868 Web Editor ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:39:12 AM PST US From: "RAS" Subject: Re: RV-List: first flight --> RV-List message posted by: "RAS" Thanks Charles I seriously suffer from RVgrin, we broke through the magic 200MPH this afternoon on the second flight. This is without wheelpants or leg fairings. It is recommended to fly without if you use factory new engines. Marcel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Rowbotham" Subject: RE: RV-List: first flight > --> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" > > > Marcel, > > CONGRATULATIONS and WELL DONE ! > > I'm sure your fiancee is smiling. > > Chuck & Dave Rowbotham > RV-8A > >>From: "RAS" >>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >>To: >>Subject: RV-List: first flight >>Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 20:13:05 +0100 >> >>--> RV-List message posted by: "RAS" >> >> >>Hi all, >> >>First flight today of RV7 G-XIII at Newtownards airfield, Northern >>Ireland. >>this is the first RV constructed in Northern Ireland. build time approx >>1.5 >>years. New O-360A1A, sensenich prop.empty weight 1029LBS on calibrated >>scales. Dedicated to my late fiancee Ellen Dalzell who passed away on May >>4th 2005, afetr loosing battle with cancer >> >>Marcel de Ruiter > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:07:46 PM PST US From: CBRxxDRV@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Training for Flight... --> RV-List message posted by: CBRxxDRV@aol.com In a message dated 7/25/05 9:16:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, alan@reichertech.com writes: > I'm a long way off from first flight, but have a curiosity question... > > I'm aware of some folks that offer transition training prior to first > flight in their RV. How similar is flying a Decathlon to an RV-8? > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:07:46 PM PST US From: CBRxxDRV@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Source for Canopy? --> RV-List message posted by: CBRxxDRV@aol.com In a message dated 7/25/05 12:34:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, revenson@comcast.net writes: > Van's gets their side-by-side canopy bubbles from an outfit in Ohio. Does > anyone know of any other sources? > Todds Canopys http://toddscanopies.com/ I have used his canopy on another Experimental Aircraft and was very happy. RV-4 RV-8 QB .... Fuselage (canoe) Sal Capra Lakeland, FL My Home Page ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:44:26 PM PST US From: WFACT01@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Source for Canopy? --> RV-List message posted by: WFACT01@aol.com TODDS CANOPY-THEY ARE IN SPRUCE OR CALL HIM DIRECT-HE SELLS THICKER AND TINTED IF YOU WANT-TOM TOM WHELAN WFACT01@AOL.COM TEL-203-2665300 FAX 203 266-5140 AIRPORT-CT01-----122.725 RV-8-SP-IO-540-350+HP---55HRS S-51-MUSTANG-TURBINE F-24 FAIRCHILD ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:06:27 PM PST US From: "Bill and Tami Britton" Subject: Re: RV-List: Needed: Ride home from Osh on Sunday to Kansas City --> RV-List message posted by: "Bill and Tami Britton" Matt, were driving and will be coming back through Kansas City (I think) sometime Sunday or Monday. Not really on a definite schedule so it could even be as late as sometime Tuesday. However, if you're interested I'll mention it to the guy that's driving and see if he cares. By the way, we're driving an extended cab Chevy pickup so it may not be the most comfortable, but it's a ride. Let me know if you're interested. Bill Britton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Brandes" Subject: RV-List: Needed: Ride home from Osh on Sunday to Kansas City > --> RV-List message posted by: "Matthew Brandes" > > I've managed to get a ride up to Osh on Thursday so now I'm trying to find a > ride home on Sunday. If anyone has an open seat coming back on Sunday, and > it going south somewhere near Kansas City (any Texans?), I'd love to hitch a > ride. You can catch me via email or on cellphone at 913-706-3087. > > Matthew Brandes, > Van's RV-9A (Wiring) > #90569 > http://www.n523rv.com > > EAA Chapter 1329 President > EAA Chapter 868 Web Editor > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:40:26 PM PST US From: Mike Draper Subject: Re: RV-List: Training for Flight... --> RV-List message posted by: Mike Draper Alan: I don't have any stick time in an RV-8 but I do have a bunch in Decathalons and a little RV-6 time. There is a big difference in stick forces between a Decathalon and RVs. You really need to develop your arm strenght if you are flying Decathalons, even with spades whereas stick forces are extremely light and balanced in the RV series. A Decathalon is dirty bird and with a constant speed prop managing your airspeed isn't difficult whereas the RV is aerodynamicaly clean and speed must be managed dilligently. That's why RVs are considered to be okay for gentlemen's aerobatics, but not for competitive aerobatics. They are both honest tailwheel airplanes that are well behaved. Getting a checkout in a Decathalon would be helpful in learning how to land a tailwheel aircraft. However, I do not feel that it would adequately prepare you manage the flight characteristics of an RV-8. Mike Draper RV-8 fuse N468RV On 7/25/05, CBRxxDRV@aol.com wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: CBRxxDRV@aol.com > > In a message dated 7/25/05 9:16:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > alan@reichertech.com writes: > > > > I'm a long way off from first flight, but have a curiosity question... > > > > I'm aware of some folks that offer transition training prior to first > > flight in their RV. How similar is flying a Decathlon to an RV-8? > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:25:48 PM PST US From: rveighta Subject: RV-List: OAT Probe location --> RV-List message posted by: rveighta Guys, when I was finishing up my RV-8A, I placed the OAT probe in the NACA air duct. Never been happy with it -temps run too hot. Now that I'm in the same building spot with my rv-8 I'm wondering where a better location might be? Maybe in the leading edge of the wing/fuselage fairing? Appreciate any ideas...... Walt Shipley ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:45:08 PM PST US From: linn walters Subject: Re: RV-List: OAT Probe location --> RV-List message posted by: linn walters rveighta wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: rveighta > >Guys, when I was finishing up my RV-8A, I placed the OAT probe in the NACA air duct. Never been happy with it -temps run too hot. Now that I'm in the same building spot with my rv-8 I'm wondering where a better location might be? Maybe in the leading edge of the wing/fuselage fairing? > >Appreciate any ideas...... > >Walt Shipley > Sure! I'd place it under the wing on that fairing, as far from the fuselage as it can go. Mounting it on the leading edge would place it in direct sun .... sometimes. Linn PS .... where you had it installed on the NACA scoop ..... it's detecting radiant heat from the fuselage and/or engine heat while running. do not archive > > > > -- ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:00:46 PM PST US From: "Alex Peterson" Subject: RE: RV-List: first flight --> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" > I seriously suffer from RVgrin, we broke through the magic 200MPH this > afternoon on the second flight. This is without wheelpants or leg > fairings. > It is recommended to fly without if you use factory new engines. Why? It seems like one would want to run the engine as cool as possible when breaking it in. Flying without fairings will run the engine hotter. Alex Peterson RV6A N66AP 641 hours Maple Grove, MN ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:04:26 PM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: OAT Probe location --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" Under your wing, about mid-span out or more. Away from heat sources for the most accurate reading. Mine is under my right wing. When I fly with RVs who installed the probe in their NACA vent, their readings are consistently higher than mine in the air. Hot air does escape the cowl. I've had a few encounters with icing in IMC and I want my OAT to be dead on. Imho, forget the convenient wiring...go for accuracy. )_( Dan RV-7 N714D http://www.rvproject.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "rveighta" Subject: RV-List: OAT Probe location > --> RV-List message posted by: rveighta > > Guys, when I was finishing up my RV-8A, I placed the OAT probe in the NACA air duct. Never been happy with it -temps run too hot. Now that I'm in the same building spot with my rv-8 I'm wondering where a better location might be? Maybe in the leading edge of the wing/fuselage fairing? > > Appreciate any ideas...... > > Walt Shipley > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:17:43 PM PST US From: Jerry Springer Subject: Re: RV-List: first flight --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer Alex Peterson wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" > > > > >>I seriously suffer from RVgrin, we broke through the magic 200MPH this >>afternoon on the second flight. This is without wheelpants or leg >>fairings. >>It is recommended to fly without if you use factory new engines. >> >> > >Why? It seems like one would want to run the engine as cool as possible >when breaking it in. Flying without fairings will run the engine hotter. > >Alex Peterson >RV6A N66AP 641 hours >Maple Grove, MN > > > > It is not a temp thing, you do want to keep the temps inside recommend range. The idea of running hard is to help set the rings. An engine expert can probably explain how this works. Jerry do not archive ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:47:15 PM PST US From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: RV-List: OAT Probe location --> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee Mine is in the NACA inlet and reads 8-10 deg C high. Worthless location. Ron Lee ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:02:39 PM PST US From: "Terry Watson" Subject: RE: RV-List: OAT Probe location --> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" Walt, As you know but other builders might not, the 8 & 8A have two NACA vents, one in the fuselage and one in the bottom of the right wing. It has always seemed to me that the one in the right wing would be a good place for the OAT probe, so that's the direction I have run my probe wires. Which one did you install it in in your 8A? Terry RV-8A finishing? Seattle -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rveighta Subject: RV-List: OAT Probe location --> RV-List message posted by: rveighta Guys, when I was finishing up my RV-8A, I placed the OAT probe in the NACA air duct. Never been happy with it -temps run too hot. Now that I'm in the same building spot with my rv-8 I'm wondering where a better location might be? Maybe in the leading edge of the wing/fuselage fairing? Appreciate any ideas...... Walt Shipley