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1. 06:31 AM - Re: aviation activities/museums in the NYC area? (Scott Bilinski)
2. 07:50 AM - Re: And another crash at Oshkosh? (Scott Bilinski)
3. 07:50 AM - Re: And another crash at Oshkosh? (Scott Bilinski)
4. 08:01 AM - Re: And another crash at Oshkosh? (Tim Bryan)
5. 08:09 AM - Re: And another crash at Oshkosh? (Randy Lervold)
6. 08:40 AM - Re: aviation activities/museums in the NYC area? (Scott Bilinski)
7. 08:49 AM - Re: aviation activities/museums in the NYC area? (Hull, Don)
8. 09:43 AM - Re: And another crash at Oshkosh? (Walter Tondu)
9. 10:03 AM - Re: aviation activities/museums in the NYC area? (Larygagnon@aol.com)
10. 12:02 PM - Re: And another crash at Oshkosh? (Darrell Reiley)
11. 12:49 PM - Re: aviation activities/museums in the NYC area?...USS Intrepid Museum (Hull, Don)
12. 01:40 PM - Re: And another crash at Oshkosh? (Hull, Don)
13. 02:01 PM - Re: aviation activities/museums in the NYC (Scott Bilinski)
14. 05:34 PM - Re: Kevin Horton was OAT (Kevin Horton)
15. 06:02 PM - Re: And another crash at Oshkosh? (Kevin Horton)
16. 06:44 PM - Re: Kevin Horton was OAT (JOHN STARN)
17. 07:36 PM - Re: And another crash at Oshkosh? Eyewitness account (Nels Hanson)
18. 08:40 PM - Re: And another crash at Oshkosh? Eyewitness account (Mark)
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| Subject: | Re: aviation activities/museums in the NYC area? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
You have got to go here!!!
http://www.oldrhinebeck.org/
At 09:07 PM 7/28/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
>
>Hi guys,
>
>My wife & I will be in the NYC area from Aug 4 through 13. We are
>staying somewhere in mid Manhattan (friends in high places :-) ) with at
>least one or two trips over to Hoboken while we are there.
>
>Can anyone in the area suggest any aviation related activities, sites,
>museums, etc. that are within reach of mass transit while we are there?
>It looks like I've been given a ration of at least one or two aviation
>days while I'm there, but they will probably be around Wednesday-Friday.
>
>Any suggestions for good jazz, blues or rock&roll clubs would also be
>welcome. I want to be prepared to fend off any karaoke proposals.
>
>Feel free to reply off list.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Charlie
>(Suthun boy viztin' the City)
>ceengland@bellsouth.net
>do not archive
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: And another crash at Oshkosh? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
That was not at OSH but a airport very close to.
Here is the article:
"Everybody's okay!" the wife of the Brennand Airport owner exclaimed, out
of breath, when contacted about another plane crash linked to the EAA
AirVenture.
The crash happened around 4:30 p.m. Wednesday.
Pat Vander Wielen tells Action 2 News a couple was coming in for a landing
at the Neenah airport when she saw the plane cartwheel.
"I looked back to see this red airplane coming down and cartwheeling over
the runway," she said. "It scared me. I just screamed, 'Call 911! Call 911!"
"I don't know if a strut broke or what," Vander Wielen said.
The pilot told controllers he was coming in too high then overcorrected,
which caused him to cartwheel, the Winnebago County Sheriff's Department said.
The Texas couple wasn't seriously hurt when their home-built, two-seater
2002 Hooper flipped. The man had bumps and bruises but declined to be taken
to a hospital. The woman was taken taken to the hospital for observation
after complaining she thought she heard her neck snap during the crash, but
Vander Wielen said the woman was walking and talking.
The EAA lists Brennand, off Breezewood Lane, as one of the airports for the
overflow crowd of pilots for AirVenture.
At 08:39 PM 7/28/2005 -0700, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" <flyrv6@bryantechnology.com>
>
>
> I just heard from a friend and -9A builder who was at Oshkosh and told me a
>RV-6 (A) crashed on landing on Saturday evening. Anybody have details of
>what caused this? Apparently landed short and then cartwheeled.
>
>Tim
>RV-6
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: And another crash at Oshkosh? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
Whoops, sorry about the last post, wrong incident!
At 08:58 PM 7/28/2005 -0700, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@comcast.net>
>
>Tim Bryan wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" <flyrv6@bryantechnology.com>
> >
> >
> > I just heard from a friend and -9A builder who was at Oshkosh and told me a
> >RV-6 (A) crashed on landing on Saturday evening. Anybody have details of
> >what caused this? Apparently landed short and then cartwheeled.
> >
> >Tim
> >RV-6
> >
> >
> >
> >
>No details yet other than he lives in Eugene, OR I believe it was Ross
>Mickey who has in the past
>posted to this list. I have seen his airplane a few times. According to
>the NTSB prelim report there was
>minor damage and no injuries thankfully.
>
>Jerry
>do not archive
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: And another crash at Oshkosh? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" <flyrv6@bryantechnology.com>
Wow, doesn't seem like the same thing. I heard the plane cartwheeled and
the ocupants where air lifed out. I hope your account is right. Thanks
Jerry.
Tim
DNA
-------Original Message-------
From: Jerry Springer
Subject: Re: RV-List: And another crash at Oshkosh?
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@comcast.net>
Tim Bryan wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" <flyrv6@bryantechnology.com>
>
>
> I just heard from a friend and -9A builder who was at Oshkosh and told me
a
>RV-6 (A) crashed on landing on Saturday evening. Anybody have details of
>what caused this? Apparently landed short and then cartwheeled.
>
>Tim
>RV-6
>
>
No details yet other than he lives in Eugene, OR I believe it was Ross
Mickey who has in the past
posted to this list. I have seen his airplane a few times. According to
the NTSB prelim report there was
minor damage and no injuries thankfully.
Jerry
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: And another crash at Oshkosh? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@romeolima.com>
>> I just heard from a friend and -9A builder who was at Oshkosh and told me
>> a
>>RV-6 (A) crashed on landing on Saturday evening. Anybody have details of
>>what caused this? Apparently landed short and then cartwheeled.
>>
>>Tim
>>RV-6
>>
>>
> No details yet other than he lives in Eugene, OR I believe it was Ross
> Mickey who has in the past
> posted to this list. I have seen his airplane a few times. According to
> the NTSB prelim report there was
> minor damage and no injuries thankfully.
I can confirm that this was Ross Mickey. I spoke with him directly at a
restaurant on Wednesday night in OSH and got the whole story. Here's the
scoop as he relayed it to us at dinner... he was on short final for 27 after
holding for about an hour over the lake. Once they started landing again
they stuffed a cherokee in front of him on short final. Spacing was too
tight and speeds were slow. I forget the exact altitude, but he got hit with
some sort of down draft or wake turbulence at maybe 50-100' and pancaked
just short of the runway, then rolled up onto the runway but veered to the
left. When he went off the left edge into the very soggy grass (from all the
rain) the nosewheel caught and he flipped over instantly. He has an AOA Pro
and said it never screamed at him ("angle, angle, push") which is how he
knew it was wake turbulence and not a stall. He was taken to the hospital
with a bruised sternum and other bruises and released a day or two later.
He was insured and has already met with the adjusters. The plane will likely
be totaled and he plans to buy the salvage back and rebuild it. He credits
his Hooker harness with preventing serious injury and especially the fact
that he had a crotch strap (5-point harness). The anchor for the crotch
strap was seriously deformed.
Wally Anderson, also from Eugene, flew back to help him disassemble the
plane and get it back here. He'll likely drop the engine off at Bart
Lalonde's shop on the drive back to Oregon from OSH. Yes, the prop struck,
in fact he said he could see the bent tips still rotating in front of him as
he rolled up onto the runway before he tipped over. Once he gets back
perhaps he can add some detail, but due to the drive back don't expect that
for a few days.
The good news is that Ross is just fine, and also was insured, whew! I have
never understood why Van's doesn't design a crotch strap anchor into ALL the
models. If you don't have one please consider adding it.
Randy Lervold
www.rv-3.com
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| Subject: | Re: aviation activities/museums in the NYC area? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
The best Italian restaurant EVER....La Mella, in little Italy on Mulberry
street.
Dont order off the menu just have them start bringing the food and you had
better be hungry!
The last time I ate there was 10 years ago and I still think about the
place on a regular basis. Oh and it helps to have a sense of humor there,
very fun place.
The salami hanging from the ceiling complete with light bulbs is quite
funny, just wait for a good looking woman to walk in and see what happens.
I personally guarantee a good time. Make sure to sit in the front room were
the entrance is, and not the back room.
$35.00 per person 10 years ago and worth every penny.
At 06:29 AM 7/29/2005 -0700, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>
>You have got to go here!!!
>
>http://www.oldrhinebeck.org/
>
>
>At 09:07 PM 7/28/2005 -0500, you wrote:
> >--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
> >
> >Hi guys,
> >
> >My wife & I will be in the NYC area from Aug 4 through 13. We are
> >staying somewhere in mid Manhattan (friends in high places :-) ) with at
> >least one or two trips over to Hoboken while we are there.
> >
> >Can anyone in the area suggest any aviation related activities, sites,
> >museums, etc. that are within reach of mass transit while we are there?
> >It looks like I've been given a ration of at least one or two aviation
> >days while I'm there, but they will probably be around Wednesday-Friday.
> >
> >Any suggestions for good jazz, blues or rock&roll clubs would also be
> >welcome. I want to be prepared to fend off any karaoke proposals.
> >
> >Feel free to reply off list.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Charlie
> >(Suthun boy viztin' the City)
> >ceengland@bellsouth.net
> >do not archive
> >
> >
>
>
>Scott Bilinski
>Eng dept 305
>Phone (858) 657-2536
>Pager (858) 502-5190
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | aviation activities/museums in the NYC area? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Hull, Don" <Donald.C.Hull@nasa.gov>
Charlie,
I believe there's an aircraft museum located on an aircraft carrier docked
on the west side of Manhattan. Shouldn't be hard to find and should be
worth the time to visit.
Don Hull
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charlie England
Subject: RV-List: aviation activities/museums in the NYC area?
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
Hi guys,
My wife & I will be in the NYC area from Aug 4 through 13. We are
staying somewhere in mid Manhattan (friends in high places :-) ) with at
least one or two trips over to Hoboken while we are there.
Can anyone in the area suggest any aviation related activities, sites,
museums, etc. that are within reach of mass transit while we are there?
It looks like I've been given a ration of at least one or two aviation
days while I'm there, but they will probably be around Wednesday-Friday.
Any suggestions for good jazz, blues or rock&roll clubs would also be
welcome. I want to be prepared to fend off any karaoke proposals.
Feel free to reply off list.
Thanks,
Charlie
(Suthun boy viztin' the City)
ceengland@bellsouth.net
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: And another crash at Oshkosh? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Walter Tondu <walter@tondu.com>
On 07/29 8:08, Randy Lervold wrote:
[...]
> He was insured and has already met with the adjusters. The plane will likely
> be totaled and he plans to buy the salvage back and rebuild it. He credits
> his Hooker harness with preventing serious injury and especially the fact
> that he had a crotch strap (5-point harness). The anchor for the crotch
> strap was seriously deformed.
[...]
If you've been contemplating installing a 5-pt harness, this
ought to be enough persuasion to do so.
--
Walter Tondu
http://www.rv7-a.com
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| Subject: | Re: aviation activities/museums in the NYC area? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Larygagnon@aol.com
Reinbeck Aerodrome is north of the city and certainly worth the drive,
especially on the weekends.
Larry Gagnon
RV6 N6LG Flying
RV6A fuse
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| Subject: | Re: And another crash at Oshkosh? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
<SNIP>
He
credits
> his Hooker harness with preventing serious injury and especially the
fact
> that he had a crotch strap (5-point harness). The anchor for the
crotch
> strap was seriously deformed.
OUCH!
Walter Tondu <walter@tondu.com> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: Walter Tondu
On 07/29 8:08, Randy Lervold wrote:
[...]
> He was insured and has already met with the adjusters. The plane will likely
> be totaled and he plans to buy the salvage back and rebuild it. He credits
> his Hooker harness with preventing serious injury and especially the fact
> that he had a crotch strap (5-point harness). The anchor for the crotch
> strap was seriously deformed.
[...]
If you've been contemplating installing a 5-pt harness, this
ought to be enough persuasion to do so.
--
Walter Tondu
http://www.rv7-a.com
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| Subject: | aviation activities/museums in the NYC area?...USS Intrepid |
Museum
--> RV-List message posted by: "Hull, Don" <Donald.C.Hull@nasa.gov>
Charlie,
When I posted previously, I didn't have time to search for the name of the
aircraft carrier...
Check out www.intrepidmuseum.org
I'm sure it would be time well spent for anyone interested in aviation.
Maybe some of our listers who have been there can tell you about it.
Don
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charlie England
Subject: RV-List: aviation activities/museums in the NYC area?
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
Hi guys,
My wife & I will be in the NYC area from Aug 4 through 13. We are
staying somewhere in mid Manhattan (friends in high places :-) ) with at
least one or two trips over to Hoboken while we are there.
Can anyone in the area suggest any aviation related activities, sites,
museums, etc. that are within reach of mass transit while we are there?
It looks like I've been given a ration of at least one or two aviation
days while I'm there, but they will probably be around Wednesday-Friday.
Any suggestions for good jazz, blues or rock&roll clubs would also be
welcome. I want to be prepared to fend off any karaoke proposals.
Feel free to reply off list.
Thanks,
Charlie
(Suthun boy viztin' the City)
ceengland@bellsouth.net
do not archive
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| Subject: | And another crash at Oshkosh? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Hull, Don" <Donald.C.Hull@nasa.gov>
A photo and related story can be found at
http://www.eaa.org/homebuilders/list/2RV-6A_Mickey.asp
It was a beautiful airplane. From another post, he plans to re-build it.
Don
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Springer
Subject: Re: RV-List: And another crash at Oshkosh?
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@comcast.net>
Tim Bryan wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" <flyrv6@bryantechnology.com>
>
>
> I just heard from a friend and -9A builder who was at Oshkosh and told
>me a RV-6 (A) crashed on landing on Saturday evening. Anybody have
>details of what caused this? Apparently landed short and then
>cartwheeled.
>
>Tim
>RV-6
>
>
>
>
No details yet other than he lives in Eugene, OR I believe it was Ross
Mickey who has in the past
posted to this list. I have seen his airplane a few times. According to
the NTSB prelim report there was
minor damage and no injuries thankfully.
Jerry
do not archive
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| Subject: | aviation activities/museums in the NYC |
area?...USS Intrepid Museum
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com> area?...USS
Intrepid Museum
The Intrepid museum is ok (well at least 10 years ago), but even better, in
my opinion, is the first sub (1950ish) to carry a nuc missle that you can
also tour. I found the sub far more interesting. There are still things
considered classified on that sub, oh, and no cameras!
At 02:48 PM 7/29/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Hull, Don" <Donald.C.Hull@nasa.gov>
>
>Charlie,
>When I posted previously, I didn't have time to search for the name of the
>aircraft carrier...
>
>Check out www.intrepidmuseum.org
>
>I'm sure it would be time well spent for anyone interested in aviation.
>Maybe some of our listers who have been there can tell you about it.
>
>Don
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charlie England
>To: RV list
>Subject: RV-List: aviation activities/museums in the NYC area?
>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
>
>Hi guys,
>
>My wife & I will be in the NYC area from Aug 4 through 13. We are
>staying somewhere in mid Manhattan (friends in high places :-) ) with at
>least one or two trips over to Hoboken while we are there.
>
>Can anyone in the area suggest any aviation related activities, sites,
>museums, etc. that are within reach of mass transit while we are there?
>It looks like I've been given a ration of at least one or two aviation
>days while I'm there, but they will probably be around Wednesday-Friday.
>
>Any suggestions for good jazz, blues or rock&roll clubs would also be
>welcome. I want to be prepared to fend off any karaoke proposals.
>
>Feel free to reply off list.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Charlie
>(Suthun boy viztin' the City)
>ceengland@bellsouth.net
>do not archive
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: Kevin Horton was OAT |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
Tom,
I am slowly making progress on the project, and I do plan to do a lot
of flying across Canada and the US once I get flying. Apple Valley
is on the list of places to visit. I really enjoyed the chance to
meet you and Jack, and see your project. I am even having thoughts
about building a Rocket someday. Maybe.
But Jack finishing my plane - no way - that's my job. No offence to
Jack, but this is my project :)
Kevin
On 28 Jul 2005, at 22:12, Tom Gummo wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
>
> Walter,
>
> He is even a nice guy in person.
>
> Hey Kevin, when are you coming back to SoCal for a Rocket Ride.
> Something
> has got to get you in garage to finish that "8". You could ship that
> project to Jack, AKA Kabong, and let him finish it for you. :-)
>
> Tom "GummiBear" Gummo
> Wild Weasel #1573
>
> Apple Valley, CA
> N561FS
> Harmon Rocket-II (test pilot for this plane ONLY).
>
> do not archive
>
> http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Walter Tondu" <walter@tondu.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: OAT Probe location
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Walter Tondu <walter@tondu.com>
>>
>> On 07/28 8:09, Kevin Horton wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I don't claim to be a test pilot extrordinair, but I am a test
>>> pilot. I had the good fortune to go to Test Pilot School in France
>>> for a year, way back in 87-88, and have worked full time as a test
>>> pilot since then.
>>>
>>> For more info, see:
>>>
>>> http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8/staticpages/index.php?page=Kevin_Horton
>>>
>>
>> Damn Kevin, you are da Man! That's a life I can only dream of.
>> And I plan on dreaming even more after reading your story.
>>
>> But using LaTex and Perl for document templates and data gathering!
>> You are a GOD! Keep the data coming, I'm enjoying this way too
>> much.
>>
>> --
>> Walter Tondu
>> http://www.rv7-a.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: And another crash at Oshkosh? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
On 29 Jul 2005, at 24:24, Jerry Springer wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@comcast.net>
>
> URL that are long like that make me really appreciate Dan's URL
> shortner
> try it this way.
> http://checkoway.com/url/?s=6a4795b9
>
>
> And for anyone that is not familier with a URL shortner here is Dan's
>
> http://checkoway.com/url/
>
I want to learn more about the first accident on that page - the PTS
S-1 with three people on board - is that a Pitts S-1?. There has got
to be a good story there.
Kevin Horton
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| Subject: | Re: Kevin Horton was OAT |
--> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
No offence taken...we'll have a warm one ready for ya. 8*) JACK
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Horton" <khorton01@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Kevin Horton was OAT
> --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
>
> Tom,
> But Jack finishing my plane - no way - that's my job. No offence to
> Jack, but this is my project :)
>
> Kevin
>
> On 28 Jul 2005, at 22:12, Tom Gummo wrote:
>
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| Subject: | Re: And another crash at Oshkosh? Eyewitness account |
--> RV-List message posted by: Nels Hanson <pa201950@yahoo.com>
I was sitting in the grass at the approach end of "9"
at OSH with my engine off waiting for my chance to get
out of there last Sat. evening in my RV-6. I listened
and watched planes coming in on 9 for about 15
minutes. The tower was telling this particular RV to
"land on the numbers". He mentioned this 2-3 times. It
was busy and the traffic was heavy. I thought this RV
was coming in a little low and slow so I watched the
whole thing unfold. I feel(personal opinion only)that
this gentlemen started to let the tower "fly" his
airplane. The plane was approx.15-20 ft. high above
the runway when the left wing dropped quickly and
struck the runway. The plane came down on it's gear
and left wing. The nosewheel quickly collapsed and the
plane started skidding down Runway 9 at an angle. It
slid off the runway and plowed sod for about 30-40 ft.
before the combination of the nosewheel and propeller
dug in the sod. The plane flipped over on it's back
very slowly. It did not "cartwheel".The pilot was
trapped in the plane,that was easy to tell the way it
lay. I radioed the tower to send the EMTs and crash
squad. I unbuckled and climbed out of my plane. I was
on the south side of the runway and the crashed RV was
on the north side. I probably should not have done
what I did next but I did it anyway. I looked at the
incoming planes and saw them climbing. Assuming the
tower had told them to go around I sprinted across the
runway toward the RV. I did not want to see this plane
go up in flames with someone(s)inside. About the time
I got to the plane a couple of other guys got there
too. Don't know where they came from. We dove under
the wing to see how many people were inside. The
pilot(only passenger)was conscious and alert. About
3-4 of us lifted the tail and wing while two other
guys pulled the pilot out of the plane and moved him
30-40ft. away. The pilot sat up and had a couple of
cuts and bruises but was very aware. I was so happy to
see that he wasn't seriously injured. About that time
the "officals" got there and hurried us out of there.
I was glad to get back to my plane. Of course,now the
runway was closed and I had to taxi back to 18 to take
off.
Again,just my opinion,but here's the lesson: You
are the pilot of your plane. You need to fly it and
not let the busyness of OSH get into your head. I feel
the intensity of the close arrivals and intensity of
the controller's voice had a very large part to play
in this accident. However,we MUST remember to keep
flying the plane.
I've been waiting to see if this accident made the
list. It has taken almost a week. When I flew home I
thought of it often. We are the only ones that should
be flying our planes,not the tower.
This could have been a monumental tragedy if fire
had broken out. I had already make my mind up as I ran
across the runway to take some burns if it came to
that. The other guys who showed up never hesitated for
an instance before diving down to the broken cockpit
to get that guy out of there ASAP. I have no idea who
they were,but I want to thank them for being there.
So,there it is,a very closeup eyewitness account
from someone who flies an RV and saw the whole thing
unfold. I'm just glad it turned out the way it did.
--- Randy Lervold <randy@romeolima.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold"
> <randy@romeolima.com>
>
> >> I just heard from a friend and -9A builder who
> was at Oshkosh and told me
> >> a
> >>RV-6 (A) crashed on landing on Saturday evening.
> Anybody have details of
> >>what caused this? Apparently landed short and
> then cartwheeled.
> >>
> >>Tim
> >>RV-6
> >>
> >>
> > No details yet other than he lives in Eugene, OR I
> believe it was Ross
> > Mickey who has in the past
> > posted to this list. I have seen his airplane a
> few times. According to
> > the NTSB prelim report there was
> > minor damage and no injuries thankfully.
>
>
> I can confirm that this was Ross Mickey. I spoke
> with him directly at a
> restaurant on Wednesday night in OSH and got the
> whole story. Here's the
> scoop as he relayed it to us at dinner... he was on
> short final for 27 after
> holding for about an hour over the lake. Once they
> started landing again
> they stuffed a cherokee in front of him on short
> final. Spacing was too
> tight and speeds were slow. I forget the exact
> altitude, but he got hit with
> some sort of down draft or wake turbulence at maybe
> 50-100' and pancaked
> just short of the runway, then rolled up onto the
> runway but veered to the
> left. When he went off the left edge into the very
> soggy grass (from all the
> rain) the nosewheel caught and he flipped over
> instantly. He has an AOA Pro
> and said it never screamed at him ("angle, angle,
> push") which is how he
> knew it was wake turbulence and not a stall. He was
> taken to the hospital
> with a bruised sternum and other bruises and
> released a day or two later.
>
> He was insured and has already met with the
> adjusters. The plane will likely
> be totaled and he plans to buy the salvage back and
> rebuild it. He credits
> his Hooker harness with preventing serious injury
> and especially the fact
> that he had a crotch strap (5-point harness). The
> anchor for the crotch
> strap was seriously deformed.
>
> Wally Anderson, also from Eugene, flew back to help
> him disassemble the
> plane and get it back here. He'll likely drop the
> engine off at Bart
> Lalonde's shop on the drive back to Oregon from OSH.
> Yes, the prop struck,
> in fact he said he could see the bent tips still
> rotating in front of him as
> he rolled up onto the runway before he tipped over.
> Once he gets back
> perhaps he can add some detail, but due to the drive
> back don't expect that
> for a few days.
>
> The good news is that Ross is just fine, and also
> was insured, whew! I have
> never understood why Van's doesn't design a crotch
> strap anchor into ALL the
> models. If you don't have one please consider adding
> it.
>
> Randy Lervold
> www.rv-3.com
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
>
>
>
>
>
>
http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
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| Subject: | Re: And another crash at Oshkosh? Eyewitness account |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mark" <2eyedocs@comcast.net>
I am currently in a Cirrus SR22 until I move UP to my brand new custom built RV-10
;-) Standard equipment in a Cirrus is a strike hammer kept in between the
seats in case of finding yourself upside down after landing to break out the
glass. There would be no way to open the door in an overturned Cirrus. The hammer
looks like a standard ball peen (sp) hammer. After reading this account
of this accident, maybe this might be a good accessory for all of us to carry
in our RV's.
Mark
----- Original Message -----
From: Nels Hanson
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: And another crash at Oshkosh? Eyewitness account
--> RV-List message posted by: Nels Hanson <pa201950@yahoo.com>
I was sitting in the grass at the approach end of "9"
at OSH with my engine off waiting for my chance to get
out of there last Sat. evening in my RV-6. I listened
and watched planes coming in on 9 for about 15
minutes. The tower was telling this particular RV to
"land on the numbers". He mentioned this 2-3 times. It
was busy and the traffic was heavy. I thought this RV
was coming in a little low and slow so I watched the
whole thing unfold. I feel(personal opinion only)that
this gentlemen started to let the tower "fly" his
airplane. The plane was approx.15-20 ft. high above
the runway when the left wing dropped quickly and
struck the runway. The plane came down on it's gear
and left wing. The nosewheel quickly collapsed and the
plane started skidding down Runway 9 at an angle. It
slid off the runway and plowed sod for about 30-40 ft.
before the combination of the nosewheel and propeller
dug in the sod. The plane flipped over on it's back
very slowly. It did not "cartwheel".The pilot was
trapped in the plane,that was easy to tell the way it
lay. I radioed the tower to send the EMTs and crash
squad. I unbuckled and climbed out of my plane. I was
on the south side of the runway and the crashed RV was
on the north side. I probably should not have done
what I did next but I did it anyway. I looked at the
incoming planes and saw them climbing. Assuming the
tower had told them to go around I sprinted across the
runway toward the RV. I did not want to see this plane
go up in flames with someone(s)inside. About the time
I got to the plane a couple of other guys got there
too. Don't know where they came from. We dove under
the wing to see how many people were inside. The
pilot(only passenger)was conscious and alert. About
3-4 of us lifted the tail and wing while two other
guys pulled the pilot out of the plane and moved him
30-40ft. away. The pilot sat up and had a couple of
cuts and bruises but was very aware. I was so happy to
see that he wasn't seriously injured. About that time
the "officals" got there and hurried us out of there.
I was glad to get back to my plane. Of course,now the
runway was closed and I had to taxi back to 18 to take
off.
Again,just my opinion,but here's the lesson: You
are the pilot of your plane. You need to fly it and
not let the busyness of OSH get into your head. I feel
the intensity of the close arrivals and intensity of
the controller's voice had a very large part to play
in this accident. However,we MUST remember to keep
flying the plane.
I've been waiting to see if this accident made the
list. It has taken almost a week. When I flew home I
thought of it often. We are the only ones that should
be flying our planes,not the tower.
This could have been a monumental tragedy if fire
had broken out. I had already make my mind up as I ran
across the runway to take some burns if it came to
that. The other guys who showed up never hesitated for
an instance before diving down to the broken cockpit
to get that guy out of there ASAP. I have no idea who
they were,but I want to thank them for being there.
So,there it is,a very closeup eyewitness account
from someone who flies an RV and saw the whole thing
unfold. I'm just glad it turned out the way it did.
--- Randy Lervold <randy@romeolima.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold"
> <randy@romeolima.com>
>
> >> I just heard from a friend and -9A builder who
> was at Oshkosh and told me
> >> a
> >>RV-6 (A) crashed on landing on Saturday evening.
> Anybody have details of
> >>what caused this? Apparently landed short and
> then cartwheeled.
> >>
> >>Tim
> >>RV-6
> >>
> >>
> > No details yet other than he lives in Eugene, OR I
> believe it was Ross
> > Mickey who has in the past
> > posted to this list. I have seen his airplane a
> few times. According to
> > the NTSB prelim report there was
> > minor damage and no injuries thankfully.
>
>
> I can confirm that this was Ross Mickey. I spoke
> with him directly at a
> restaurant on Wednesday night in OSH and got the
> whole story. Here's the
> scoop as he relayed it to us at dinner... he was on
> short final for 27 after
> holding for about an hour over the lake. Once they
> started landing again
> they stuffed a cherokee in front of him on short
> final. Spacing was too
> tight and speeds were slow. I forget the exact
> altitude, but he got hit with
> some sort of down draft or wake turbulence at maybe
> 50-100' and pancaked
> just short of the runway, then rolled up onto the
> runway but veered to the
> left. When he went off the left edge into the very
> soggy grass (from all the
> rain) the nosewheel caught and he flipped over
> instantly. He has an AOA Pro
> and said it never screamed at him ("angle, angle,
> push") which is how he
> knew it was wake turbulence and not a stall. He was
> taken to the hospital
> with a bruised sternum and other bruises and
> released a day or two later.
>
> He was insured and has already met with the
> adjusters. The plane will likely
> be totaled and he plans to buy the salvage back and
> rebuild it. He credits
> his Hooker harness with preventing serious injury
> and especially the fact
> that he had a crotch strap (5-point harness). The
> anchor for the crotch
> strap was seriously deformed.
>
> Wally Anderson, also from Eugene, flew back to help
> him disassemble the
> plane and get it back here. He'll likely drop the
> engine off at Bart
> Lalonde's shop on the drive back to Oregon from OSH.
> Yes, the prop struck,
> in fact he said he could see the bent tips still
> rotating in front of him as
> he rolled up onto the runway before he tipped over.
> Once he gets back
> perhaps he can add some detail, but due to the drive
> back don't expect that
> for a few days.
>
> The good news is that Ross is just fine, and also
> was insured, whew! I have
> never understood why Van's doesn't design a crotch
> strap anchor into ALL the
> models. If you don't have one please consider adding
> it.
>
> Randy Lervold
> www.rv-3.com
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
>
>
>
>
>
>
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