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2. 12:53 PM - Re: Garmin 396 In-Flight Report (Rick Galati)
3. 01:32 PM - Re: Re: Garmin 396 In-Flight Report (Nick Nafsinger)
4. 01:58 PM - EAA 486, RV Forum KFZY Sept 10-11-12 (rv6160hp@aol.com)
5. 03:24 PM - Stiffener Jig (MLWynn@aol.com)
6. 03:38 PM - Re: Stiffener Jig ()
7. 05:30 PM - Avionics?? (David Schaefer)
8. 06:51 PM - Re: Avionics?? (Kevin Horton)
9. 10:07 PM - Re: Stiffener Jig (MLWynn@aol.com)
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--> RV-List message posted by: sturdy@att.net
Larry,
Good question. It does not say in the manual or on the screen if the winds aloft
are forecast or observed, but it does say the winds aloft beamed up by the
system are updated every 12 minutes. I can say that the wind barbs when zoomed
in and the wind streamlines when zoomed out agreed in general with the GPS groundspeed,
so they were a valid indicator for choosing direction and altitude.
It also says the METARS are updated by the system every 12 minutes, but they
are only as current as the time stamp on the display when they are input into
the system.
Stu McCurdy
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Time: 03:32:02 PM PST US
From: "Larry Pardue" <n5lp@warpdriveonline.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Garmin 396 In-Flight Report
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue" <n5lp@warpdriveonline.com>
Subject: RV-List: Garmin 396 In-Flight Report
> --> RV-List message posted by: sturdy@att.net
>
>Using the winds aloft patterns I decided to go
> around to the East side of KC and then head for the Northeast corner of
> the colored
> mass.
I have carefully studied all the manuals that are on line and find several
things are ambiguous. One is the reference to winds aloft. Garmin does not
say whether these are forecast or observed winds. They just call them winds
aloft. I strongly suspect they are the forecast winds, which are sometimes
right and often wrong. If they are forecast does it show the forecast time
on the display? I can not find the valid time in the pictures that are
available on line.
Have mine on order anyway. Truly hard to believe what is available on the
unit.
Larry Pardue
Carlsbad, NM
----------------------------------
Last week I reported on first impressions of my Garmin 396. Now I will give my
impressions of it in flight.
I located it in the same provided swivel socket I had my 196 in. I used the same
power recepticle (except the 396 charges on ships power) and the same GPS antenna,
which I have on the glare shield just behind the windscreen. The Smart
Antenna I had to move around to locate as it has a magnetic base and would influence
the compass, which I have mounted on the glare shield left on center.
I found that I could put the Smart Antenna in the far right rear of the glare
shield, just in front of the role bar (RV-8), and it had no effect on the compass.
Then I used the audio input cable I had previously for a portable radio
to connect the 396 XM Radio output to my audio panel jack.
I left for Mason City on Friday and started getting used to the screen, setups,
winds display, and radio. Screen is VERY readable, just a slight rotation to
get rid of glare, but you can even read it with glare. Setup is personal according
to where you want to start seeing things on the screen according to range,
and
to whether you want to see them on the Nav screen or go to the WX menu. Winds
aloft are great and allows you to see surface, 3k, 6k, 9k, etc. By zooming in
or out, you can go "in" to see wind barbs or go "out" to see flow patterns at
various altitudes coming out of highs or into lows to help with decision
making. You have almost 200 channels on the radio to select or scan through to
use as background,
which the audio panel mutes when there is a radio transmission. Easy to change
volume (hit power button, use thumb button left or right, hit enter).
After refueling at Iola KS (K88) I headed North. My course line went right through
Kansas City airspace, and just to the North of it was a big mass of red,
yellow, and green on the 396 nav screen showing NEXRAD. Echo Tops display showed
them to be well above where I could fly. Using the winds aloft patterns I
decided to go around to the East side of KC and then head for the Northeast corner
of the
colored mass. As I paralleled the weather, the red, yellow , and green areas on
the screen were the same as I was seeing out the window. The greens were
light enough rain that I would have gone through if I needed to, whereas the red
and yellow had heavy rain falling out of them. Storm Cells showed the movement.
An ocassional lightning bolt was soon registered on the screen. By going
around the East side I had a tailwind as shown on the Winds Aloft, whereas
the West side would have been a headwind. What I saw on the winds aloft screen
was duplicated by my GPS groundspeed. By now I know I have made a GOOD investment.
Also, the Airmets and Sigmets were displayed by colored dashed lines,
and by running the cusor to the lines and getting a readout, I did not have to
try to picture what Flight Watch might have been trying to tell me.
Another benefit is the voice warning that accompanies the terrain and obstacle
display. While flying at Mason City with a formation of 20 on the wing at 1000',
it would visually warn me with an inset on the Nav screen of a tower and voice
warn me through me through the audio system. Also in the steep final turn
it would say "Rate of descent, Pull up".
After the formation clinic on the leg from Mason City to OSH with 12 RVs there
were some layered clouds and ceilings. Good chance to check out the METARS flags
beside each airfield symbol which has weather reporting. I soon found the
the flags and the coded display (when you put the cursor over the flag) is only
as good as the time stamp in the display. The weather was moving in from the
Northwest and the
AWOS reporting into the system is usually only hourly, so it was well behind the
voice report coming from the AWOS frequency. Something to take into consideration,
but the TAFs displayed did forecast the trend. So as I got closer to
OSH and listened to the AWOSs in range, I could tell it was not as good as the
METARS display was telling me and I took the 12-ship down under through a hole
early.
On the way home to Texas I was able to take advantage of selecting the right altitude
at the right time for the direction by checking the winds aloft patterns.
There was a high over KC, and the display for each altitude showed the flow
patterns to choose the right altitude. Then passing Dallas going to GTU I could
see a big mass of colors South of Waco. By looking at the colors and lightning
display I was able to choose where I wanted to go through. As I got closer,
looking at the tops sticking up out the window agreeing with the screen
display, I was able to select an area of light green between yellows and reds
and I flew through the light rain with good vis and make it to the other side
into the clear.
Great system which paid off on the first trip. Now, if they would just have a
turn on/turn off pay system rather than the monthly fee, I could only pay for
it when I needed it.
Stu McCurdy
RV-8 Flying
Falcon Flight
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Larry,
Good question. It does not say in the manual or on the screen if the winds aloft
are forecast or observed, but it does say the winds aloft beamed up by the system
are updated every 12 minutes. I can say that the wind barbs when zoomed
in and the wind streamlines when zoomed out agreed in general with the GPS groundspeed,
so they were a valid indicator for choosing direction and altitude.
It also says the METARS are updated by the system every 12 minutes, but they are
only as current as the time stamp on the display when they are input into the
system.
Stu McCurdy
----------------------------------------------------
Time: 03:32:02 PM PST US
From: "Larry Pardue" n5lp@warpdriveonline.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: Garmin 396 In-Flight Report
-- RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue" n5lp@warpdriveonline.com
Subject: RV-List: Garmin 396 In-Flight Report
-- RV-List message posted by: sturdy@att.net
Using the winds aloft patterns I decided to go
around to the East side of KC and then head for the Northeast corner of
the colored
mass.
I have carefully studied all the manuals that are on line and find several
things are ambiguous. One is the reference to winds aloft. Garmin does not
say whether these are forecast or observed winds. They just call them winds
aloft. I strongly suspect they are the forecast winds, which are sometimes
right and often wrong. If they are forecast does it show the forecast time
on the display? I can not find the valid time in the pictures that are
available on line.
Have mine on order anyway. Truly hard to believe what is available on the
unit.
Larry Pardue
Carlsbad, NM
----------------------------------
Last week I reported on first impressions of my Garmin 396. Now I will give my
impressions of it in flight.
I located it in the same provided swivel socket I had my 196 in. I used the same
power recepticle (except the 396 charges on ships power) and the same GPS antenna,
which I have on the glare shield just behind the windscreen. The Smart
Antenna I had to move around to locate as it has a magnetic base and would influence
the compass, which I have mounted on the glare shield left on center. I
found that I could put the Smart Antenna in the far right rear of the glare shield,
just in front of the role bar (RV-8), and it had no effect on the compass.
Then I used the audio input cable I had previously for a portable radio to
connect the 396 XM Radio output to my audio panel jack.
I left for Mason City on Friday and started getting used to the screen, setups,
winds display, and radio. Screen is VERY readable, just a slight
rotation to get rid of glare, but you can even read it with glare. Setup is personal
according to where you want to start seeing things on the screen according
to range, and
to whether you want to see them on the Nav screen or go to the WX menu. Winds aloft
are great and allows you to see surface, 3k, 6k, 9k, etc. By zooming in or
out, you can go "in" to see wind barbs or go "out" to see flow patterns at various
altitudes coming out of highs or into lows to help with decision
making. You have almost 200 channels on the radio to select or scan through to
use as background,
which the audio panel mutes when there is a radio transmission. Easy to change
volume (hit power button, use thumb button left or right, hit enter).
After refueling at Iola KS (K88) I headed North. My course line went right through
Kansas City airspace, and just to the North of it was a big mass of red, yellow,
and green on the 396 nav screen showing NEXRAD. Echo Tops display showed
them to be well above where I could fly. Using the winds aloft patterns I decided
to go around to the East side of KC and then head for the Northeast corner
of the
colored mass. As I paralleled the weather, the red, yellow , and green areas on
the screen were the same as I was seeing out the window. The greens were light
enough rain that I would have gone through if I needed to, whereas the red and
yellow had heavy rain falling out of them. Storm Cells showed the movement.
An ocassional lightning bolt was soon registered on the screen. By going around
the East side I had a tailwind as shown on the Winds Aloft, whereas the West
side would have been a headwind. What I saw
on the winds aloft screen was duplicated by my GPS groundspeed. By now I know
I have made a GOOD investment. Also, the Airmets and Sigmets were displayed by
colored dashed lines, and by running the cusor to the lines and getting a readout,
I did not have to try to picture what Flight Watch might have been trying
to tell me.
Another benefit is the voice warning that accompanies the terrain and obstacle
display. While flying at Mason City with a formation of 20 on the wing at 1000',
it would visually warn me with an inset on the Nav screen of a tower and voice
warn me through me through the audio system. Also in the steep final turn
it would say "Rate of descent, Pull up".
After the formation clinic on the leg from Mason City to OSH with 12 RVs there
were some layered clouds and ceilings. Good chance to check out the METARS flags
beside each airfield symbol which has weather reporting. I soon found the the
flags and the coded displa
y (when you put the cursor over the flag) is only as good as the time stamp in
the display. The weather was moving in from the Northwest and the
AWOS reporting into the system is usually only hourly, so it was well behind the
voice report coming from the AWOS frequency. Something to take into consideration,
but the TAFs displayed did forecast the trend. So as I got closer to OSH
and listened to the AWOSs in range, I could tell it was not as good as the METARS
display was telling me and I took the 12-ship down under through a hole
early.
On the way home to Texas I was able to take advantage of selecting the right altitude
at the right time for the direction by checking the winds aloft patterns.
There was a high over KC, and the display for each altitude showed the flow
patterns to choose the right altitude. Then passing Dallas going to GTU I could
see a big mass of colors South of Waco. By looking at the colors and lightning
displ
ay I was able to choose where I wanted to go through. As I got closer, looking
at the tops sticking up out the window agreeing with the screen display, I was
able to select an area of light green between yellows and reds and I flew through
the light rain with good vis and make it to the other side into the clear.
Great system which paid off on the first trip. Now, if they would just have a turn
on/turn off pay system rather than the monthly fee, I could only pay for it
when I needed it.
Stu McCurdy
RV-8 Flying
Falcon Flight
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin 396 In-Flight Report |
--> RV-List message posted by: Rick Galati <rick6a@yahoo.com>
How much are the monthly fees for accessing the weather services using the 396?
Rick
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin 396 In-Flight Report |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Nick Nafsinger" <nick@creteaviation.com>
$30 for the Basic and $50 for Everything. Add another $7 if you want
music. The prices are fixed for everything XM, Portable, Panel Mount,
doesn't matter.
To see what features you get in each package look here:
http://www.xmradio.com/weather/av_service_pricing.html
Now the disclamer. I don't work for XM, I'm just a VERY happy customer!
My inflight 396 report is darn near identical to Stu's except I flew in
from Western MN. Nexrad, Winds, everything where spot on.
Nick
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[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Galati
Subject: RV-List: Re: Garmin 396 In-Flight Report
--> RV-List message posted by: Rick Galati <rick6a@yahoo.com>
How much are the monthly fees for accessing the weather services using
the 396?
Rick
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--> RV-List message posted by: rv6160hp@aol.com
Just a friendly reminder...11th annual RV forum at KFZY, Oswego County NY
Starting Friday Sept 10, Saturday the Technical forums and Sunday the fly in pancake
breakfast....
See www.eaachapter486.com for more info
Regards
David McManmon
RV6
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--> RV-List message posted by: MLWynn@aol.com
Hi all,
After getting frustrated with cutting straight lines for the elevator
stiffeners, I made a simple jib for my bandsaw. Basically amounts to a flat slippery
surface for it to all glide on, a 4" by 12" piece of melamine cut to the
angle of the stiffener cut and a second straight piece to act as a guide. Cut
a
complete set for both elevators in about ten minutes. If anyone is interested,
shoot me an email off-line and I will forward a couple of pictures.
Regards,
Michael Wynn
RV-8, (still on the) Empennage
San Ramon, California
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| Subject: | Re: Stiffener Jig |
--> RV-List message posted by: <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
Mike
I did something similar years ago. I used some scrap wood and a hot glue gun to
make a "jig" on a paper shear. The jig holds the .025" angle in place. I used
the knife of the paper shear to cut all the aluminum. I think I might still
have a photo or two of that setup. It really made nice, consistant, repeatable
cuts.
Charlie Kuss
---- MLWynn@aol.com wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: MLWynn@aol.com
>
> Hi all,
>
> After getting frustrated with cutting straight lines for the elevator
> stiffeners, I made a simple jib for my bandsaw. Basically amounts to a flat
slippery
> surface for it to all glide on, a 4" by 12" piece of melamine cut to the
> angle of the stiffener cut and a second straight piece to act as a guide. Cut
a
> complete set for both elevators in about ten minutes. If anyone is interested,
> shoot me an email off-line and I will forward a couple of pictures.
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael Wynn
> RV-8, (still on the) Empennage
> San Ramon, California
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "David Schaefer" <dschaefer1@kc.rr.com>
When I purchased my avionics I was able to get them from Bill Pippen, who at
the time was considered to be one of the best and least expensive sources.
However, now that Bill has 'retired' where is everyone getting their
avionics (Garmin, PS Engineering etc.) equipment from? Who has the best
prices?
Regards,
David Schaefer
N142DS 'Geek One'
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--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
On 31 Jul 2005, at 20:29, David Schaefer wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "David Schaefer" <dschaefer1@kc.rr.com>
>
> When I purchased my avionics I was able to get them from Bill
> Pippen, who at
> the time was considered to be one of the best and least expensive
> sources.
> However, now that Bill has 'retired' where is everyone getting their
> avionics (Garmin, PS Engineering etc.) equipment from? Who has the
> best
> prices?
>
>
John Stark had the best prices I could find when I bought my avionics.
http://www.starkavionics.com/
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
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| Subject: | Re: Stiffener Jig |
--> RV-List message posted by: MLWynn@aol.com
Hi Charlie
Never even thought about a paper cutter. That would probably be easier, less
dangerous (moving sawblade) and get a better cut. I'll try that if I get yet
another opportunity to do elevator stiffeners.
Michael
Do Not Achive
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