---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 08/05/05: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:30 AM - Re: EAA photo (alan@reichertech.com) 2. 04:37 AM - Re: Which clay? (Dave Setser) 3. 05:15 AM - RV-6 Project For Sale (Tom Gesele) 4. 06:39 AM - canopy sealer (Frazier, Vincent A) 5. 06:44 AM - Re: EAA photo (Bob C.) 6. 06:45 AM - Re: 7A or 9A? (Brett Hahn) 7. 08:27 AM - RV 8A for sale (Al Grajek) 8. 08:47 AM - Re: Re: Modeling...clay. (Brian Denk) 9. 09:25 AM - Re: Re: Modeling...clay. (Randy Lervold) 10. 10:04 AM - Re: Re: Modeling...clay. (Brian Alley) 11. 10:52 AM - Re: RV 8A for sale (ed) 12. 11:24 AM - Randy Simpson at Airtime (DonVS) 13. 02:57 PM - Re: Re: Modeling...clay. (linn walters) 14. 05:19 PM - cleaning piston ring grooves (gert) 15. 05:33 PM - Re: cleaning piston ring grooves (DonVS) 16. 07:07 PM - Re: Cutting or Punching Panels (Vanremog@AOL.COM) 17. 08:17 PM - Re: cleaning piston ring grooves (David Burton) 18. 10:51 PM - Throttle / exhaust clearance (Glen Matejcek) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:30:22 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: EAA photo From: alan@reichertech.com --> RV-List message posted by: alan@reichertech.com So, how many of you noticed that the third window on this Bo is an airbrush special? Nobody? Gee, I wonder why... - A > Time: 03:10:36 PM PST US > From: "LarryRobertHelming" > Subject: Re: RV-List: EAA photo > > --> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" > > Reprimand 101: This is an RV list. Try to keep the focus on RVs. Shame, > shame. Good observation Vince. > > None the less, Remember, Buffing down an RV is a lot easier than a big > dirty > Bonanza. Does she have sisters? > > do not archive. > > Indiana Larry, RV7 > > ----- Original Message ----- > > >> --> RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" >> >> >> http://www.airventure.org/2005/gallery/images/sun24/detailing.jpg Do >> you think that the photographer even noticed the Bonanza? >> >> Vince Frazier ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:37:13 AM PST US From: Dave Setser Subject: RV-List: Re: Which clay? --> RV-List message posted by: Dave Setser Randy and Bob, I was at Sam's forum as well. Best I can tell from my notes, Sam's 'clear clay' source is Sun Coast Resins, 800 282 9498. Hope this helps... Dave Setser RV-7 wings www.mightyarcher.com/rv7 ** --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob C. " > Randy, Last week at OSH I attended a forum by Sam James (Fiberglass for RVs) and he said "clear clay" is best . . . I didn't have a pencil so didn't write down the vendor . . . and am trusting my failing memory! Sam is easy to contact and very willing to answer questions. http://www.jamesaircraft.com/ Good Luck, Bob Christensen RV-8 Bldr SE Iowa ** ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:15:02 AM PST US From: Tom Gesele Subject: RV-List: RV-6 Project For Sale --> RV-List message posted by: Tom Gesele Listers, I'm selling my RV-6 kit so that I can build an RV-10 (expanding family makes the -6 too impractical at this time). I've got all four kits, all major structure is complete, wings & emp are rigged and it's ready for engine/prop/instruments. The project is located on Long Island, NY and I'm asking $12k, OBO. Please e-mail me directly if interested or for more information/pictures. Tom Gesele E-Mail: tgesele@optonline.net ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:39:07 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: canopy sealer From: "Frazier, Vincent A" --> RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" SNIP Hi folks, Can someone tell me what material is being used for a seal between the canopy Plexi and the skirts and where to obtain it? Van's said they use a bead of window sealer. Thanks, Bob Trumpfheller SNIP ************************************ I have used both ProSeal or clear silicone caulk. Either works well. You can't paint over the silicone, but it's not as messy as the ProSeal. Proseal is managable when put into a baggie and applied like cake frosting from a small hole snipped in one corner. Either will make the canopy noticably more rigid and will eliminate the squeaks that will develop between the plexi and the frame. Vince ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:44:48 AM PST US From: "Bob C. " Subject: Re: RV-List: EAA photo --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob C. " What Bonanza??!! On 8/4/05, Frazier, Vincent A wrote: > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" > > > http://www.airventure.org/2005/gallery/images/sun24/detailing.jpg Do > you think that the photographer even noticed the Bonanza? > > Vince Frazier > F-1H Rocket, N540VF > http://vincesrocket.com/ > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:45:49 AM PST US From: "Brett Hahn" Subject: Re: RV-List: 7A or 9A? --> RV-List message posted by: "Brett Hahn" FYI Experimental Aircraft Technology magazine had an in-depth feature article on the performance and flying qualities of the RV-9A. It was evaluated and written by Brien Seeley & CJ Stephens of the CAFE foundation. Part 1 came out in the May-June issue, part 2 came out in the July-August issue. www.extechmag.com Ciao, Brett ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Snow" Subject: RV-List: 7A or 9A > --> RV-List message posted by: "Daniel Snow" > > I was ready to place my order for a 9A until I talked with a guy at the > KitLog Pro booth. He strongly encouraged me to reconsider the 7A, saying > that it didn't fly that much differently than the 9A, plus you have the > expanded option of aerobatics. For those of you that have flown both and > decided on a 9A, can you tell me why you chose the 9A? Was there really > that much difference between the two? > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:27:37 AM PST US From: "Al Grajek" vansairforce@yahoogroups.com Subject: RV-List: RV 8A for sale --> RV-List message posted by: "Al Grajek" Listers: I am selling or trading my RV8A. It is a very well built Airplane with 145 Hrs on the airframe and 0-360, 180 hp. Lycoming with a Hartzell C/S Prop. NIce VFR Day/ night panel with microair radios, Trio auto pilot. NIce paint.Will trade for nice RV4 and cash. I am going to build a new RV 8. Please contact off list at algrajek@msn.com. or Al Grajek 859-361-9460 Al Grajek ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:47:00 AM PST US From: "Brian Denk" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Modeling...clay. --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" > >Brian, do you use duct tape in small strips for creating compound curves? >Or >would you use modeling clay? > >Randy Long Eze dude said it's used everywhere. The more intense the curve, the smaller the pieces of tape. Build up with little ones, then start blending it all with longer pieces, stretched and pulled as necessary. I haven't really tried it yet, but plan to eventually. Brian Denk RV8 N94BD RV10 '51 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:25:53 AM PST US From: "Randy Lervold" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Modeling...clay. --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" > Long Eze dude said it's used everywhere. The more intense the curve, the > smaller the pieces of tape. Build up with little ones, then start > blending > it all with longer pieces, stretched and pulled as necessary. I haven't > really tried it yet, but plan to eventually. > > Brian Denk > RV8 N94BD > RV10 '51 I'm on it. I'll try it and let you know. Really makes sense when you think about it. I need to build an empennage fairing from scratch for my -3 and I've been noodling over how to bridge the gap and create a shape. This duct tape thing my be just the solution. Cheers, Randy ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:04:14 AM PST US From: Brian Alley Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Modeling...clay. --> RV-List message posted by: Brian Alley Be carefull streching duct tape on inside curves, the tension will pull loose in the curve and make bulges in your layups. I've had it happen and ended up throwing away an otherwise good part. I prefer to use clay polished with water and sealed with PVA Partall 10. BRIAN ALLEY (N320WT) CARBON FIBER COMPOSITES 101 Caroline Circle Hurricane, WV 25526 304-562-6800 home 304-395-4932 cell How are you going to win by a nose if you don't stick out your neck? ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:52:56 AM PST US From: "ed " Subject: RE: RV-List: RV 8A for sale From: "ed \240" RV-List message posted by: "ed " Do you have any photos available on the web? Also do you have any thoughts about how much you wanted for it? >From: "Al Grajek" >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: rv-list@matronics.com, rv8-list@matronics.com, rv8list@yahoogroups.com, > vansairforce@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RV-List: RV 8A for sale >Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 11:26:22 -0400 > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Al Grajek" > >Listers: >I am selling or trading my RV8A. It is a very well built Airplane with 145 >Hrs on the airframe and 0-360, 180 hp. Lycoming with a Hartzell C/S Prop. >NIce VFR Day/ night panel with microair radios, Trio auto pilot. NIce >paint.Will trade for nice RV4 and cash. I am going to build a new RV 8. >Please contact off list at algrajek@msn.com. or Al Grajek 859-361-9460 >Al Grajek > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:24:39 AM PST US From: "DonVS" Subject: RV-List: Randy Simpson at Airtime --> RV-List message posted by: "DonVS" Group, Does anyone know how to get in touch with Randy Simpson at Airtime? I ordered a set of tie downs two months ago and have not heard a word out of him. He does not respond to e-mail. He has my money. Any ideas? Thanks. Don ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:57:45 PM PST US From: linn walters Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Modeling...clay. --> RV-List message posted by: linn walters To make the duct tape process even better, wipe a couple of coats of paste wax ..... the stuff you used to use on you car ..... to make the parts come off even easier. Don't scrimp!!! Linn do not archive Randy Lervold wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" > > > >>Long Eze dude said it's used everywhere. The more intense the curve, the >>smaller the pieces of tape. Build up with little ones, then start >>blending >>it all with longer pieces, stretched and pulled as necessary. I haven't >>really tried it yet, but plan to eventually. >> >>Brian Denk >>RV8 N94BD >>RV10 '51 >> >> > > >I'm on it. I'll try it and let you know. Really makes sense when you think >about it. I need to build an empennage fairing from scratch for my -3 and >I've been noodling over how to bridge the gap and create a shape. This duct >tape thing my be just the solution. > >Cheers, >Randy > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:19:37 PM PST US From: gert Subject: RV-List: cleaning piston ring grooves --> RV-List message posted by: gert I had a stuck oil ring on one of my cylinders for my IO360. the ring came off clean from the piston, but there are some (very) hard deposits in 2 or 3 small places in the groove. what is an acceptable method to remove these deposits, walnut blasting?? mechanical ring groove cleaner?? some other scraper contraption?? chemical?? interested to know what method(s) the old hands use. Thanks Gert -- is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:33:35 PM PST US From: "DonVS" Subject: RE: RV-List: cleaning piston ring grooves --> RV-List message posted by: "DonVS" A busted section of the ring that out of that grove will work. Just be careful not to scratch the piston deeply. Don -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of gert Subject: RV-List: cleaning piston ring grooves --> RV-List message posted by: gert I had a stuck oil ring on one of my cylinders for my IO360. the ring came off clean from the piston, but there are some (very) hard deposits in 2 or 3 small places in the groove. what is an acceptable method to remove these deposits, walnut blasting?? mechanical ring groove cleaner?? some other scraper contraption?? chemical?? interested to know what method(s) the old hands use. Thanks Gert -- is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:07:39 PM PST US From: Vanremog@AOL.COM Subject: Re: RV-List: Cutting or Punching Panels --> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com In a message dated 8/4/2005 6:08:58 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com writes: I drew my panel up in Pro-E and then sent it to a machine shop. Came out perfect. I imagine a water jet company would also be good. At 01:11 PM 8/4/2005 -0700, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley > >Looking for feedback on RV builder experiences with panel cutting or >punching companies out there in the RV world today... Do you want to share >your panel experience? ====================================== And how many homebuilders have the top of the line ProE 3D parametric solids modeling package available to them? ;o) I can't afford it, so I use AutoCAD Inventor Release 8. Any cheap CAD program out there should be able to be able to output the required .dxf file that the laser or water jet cutter subcontractors should need to cut your panel. You don't really need the high end stuff. The panel is really just 2D. GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 755hrs, Silicon Valley, CA) ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:17:50 PM PST US From: "David Burton" Subject: Re: RV-List: cleaning piston ring grooves --> RV-List message posted by: "David Burton" There is a special tool that is made to clean out the ring groove. I own one, but I'd start with a methyl chloride (carb cleaner) soak though to see what you can dissolve off the piston. You should be able to completely clean the piston without using a tool. It's almost impossible to use even the tools made for this purpose without damaging the piston. Here's a quote about it: "Unless the piston grooves are clean and free of scratches, oil cannot form a film to keep the ring from contacting the piston ring groove. Any carbon deposits or scratches in the ring groove will cause the oil film to be ineffective, leading to premature wear, loss of compression, and oil consumption. Scraping piston grooves with a special tool or a broken ring results in scratching the groove and is one of the reasons rebuilt engines do not last as long as new engines. How then do you clean piston grooves? It 's easy. Soak them in carburetor cleaner, and use a non-metallic brush that can't scratch the groove. Sometimes a second soaking and brushing are required. Hot tanks with strong, caustic solvents will dissolve the hardest deposits and leave clean, shiny grooves". Good luck! ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:51:57 PM PST US From: "Glen Matejcek" Subject: RV-List: Throttle / exhaust clearance --> RV-List message posted by: "Glen Matejcek" Hi All- I'm working on the FWF of my -8, and it looks like my throttle cable is going to be pretty close to my aft crossover tube. The engine is an angle valve (I wonder why they don't just call them hemi's...) and the cable and it's associated bracketry are from Van's. I'm envisioning firesleeve on the cable as a minimum, and perhaps some rigid shielding. How much clearance does one need to protect a naked cable, and what have you guys been doing for shielding, if anything? As ever, thanks in advance to those who have been there, done that! Glen Matejcek aerobubba@earthlink.net