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1. 12:23 AM - Re: cleaning piston ring grooves (Mickey Coggins)
2. 04:49 AM - Re: cleaning piston ring grooves (Tom & Cathy Ervin)
3. 05:23 AM - Re: And another crash at Oshkosh? Pilots Report (Bob 1)
4. 06:32 AM - Re: Cutting or Punching Panels (Steve Struyk)
5. 07:04 AM - Re: Throttle / exhaust clearance (mark phipps)
6. 07:21 AM - Re: cleaning piston ring grooves (gert)
7. 07:31 AM - Reno Air Race Tickets for sale (J D Newsum)
8. 09:12 AM - Re: Throttle / exhaust clearance (Charles Rowbotham)
9. 01:24 PM - Re: Cutting or Punching Panels (Larry Bowen)
10. 05:35 PM - Riveting while pregnant? (Matt Johnson)
11. 06:34 PM - Re: Riveting while pregnant? (Tedd McHenry)
12. 06:49 PM - Re: Riveting while pregnant? (Don Mack)
13. 06:57 PM - Riveting while pregnant? (sportav8r@aol.com)
14. 07:21 PM - Re: Riveting while pregnant? (Mark Grieve)
15. 07:41 PM - Re: Riveting while pregnant? (not processed: message from valid loca... (Vanremog@aol.com)
16. 08:57 PM - Re: Cutting or Punching Panels (sdavis12)
17. 09:39 PM - Re: Throttle / exhaust clearance (Dan Checkoway)
18. 11:12 PM - Re: Riveting while pregnant? (Matt Johnson)
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| Subject: | Re: cleaning piston ring grooves |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
> what is an acceptable method to remove these deposits, walnut
> blasting?? mechanical ring groove cleaner?? some other scraper
> contraption?? chemical??
>
> interested to know what method(s) the old hands use.
I'm not sure how common this technology is, but at OSH
there was a guy demonstrating an ultrasonic cleaning vat
which would be perfect for this application. If they
are common, I'll bet a machine shop near you would be
happy to clean these parts for a few bucks.
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 finishing
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| Subject: | Re: cleaning piston ring grooves |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" <tcervin@valkyrie.net>
Toothbrush and carb cleaner works great.
Tom in Ohio
----- Original Message -----
From: "gert" <gert.v@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RV-List: cleaning piston ring grooves
> --> RV-List message posted by: gert <gert.v@sbcglobal.net>
>
> I had a stuck oil ring on one of my cylinders for my IO360.
>
> the ring came off clean from the piston, but there are some (very) hard
> deposits in 2 or 3 small places in the groove.
>
> what is an acceptable method to remove these deposits, walnut
> blasting?? mechanical ring groove cleaner?? some other scraper
> contraption?? chemical??
>
> interested to know what method(s) the old hands use.
>
> Thanks
>
> Gert
>
> --
>
>
> is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: And another crash at Oshkosh? Pilots Report |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob 1" <rv3a.1@comcast.net>
Depending on the winds, I'd suggest that another option is to land on the
upwind side of the runway. With even a 5 mph crosswind component, a 10
second spacing will let the lead aircraft's wake blow 75' or so downwind,
which should give plenty of room, assuming the lead aircraft landed anywhere
close to the centerline.
This is also something to consider if you do formation takeoffs. If you're
#2, make sure you're on the upwind side of lead during takeoff, 'cause there
is some nasty turbulence on the downwind side of a low/slow RV.
KB
=================================
Excellent point. Works especially well....
when departing as a 'flight of two' with an F-51 Mustang in the lead.
Bob - RV3
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| Subject: | Re: Cutting or Punching Panels |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Struyk" <rv8striker@hotmail.com>
Why not buy the punch and do it yourself? I bought a punch from
Avery,(http://www.averytools.com/results.cfm?keyword=punch ) but all the
tool companies sell them. Mine is reversible. It cuts a 3 1/8 inch or a 2
1/4 inch hole depending on how you set up the tool. For my VM 1000, and
other odd shaped holes, I used the template that came with it ,then used a
router that followed the templates. For the radios I drilled the corners,
scribed, cut a bit on the conservative side and filed to fit.
I am very happy with the results of my panel. Just my two cents worth.
Steve Struyk
RV-8, St. Charles, MO
N842S
The wings went on yesterday! Getting close now!
----- Original Message -----
From: <Vanremog@aol.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Cutting or Punching Panels
> --> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com
>
>
> In a message dated 8/4/2005 6:08:58 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com writes:
>
> I drew my panel up in Pro-E and then sent it to a machine shop. Came out
> perfect. I imagine a water jet company would also be good.
>
>
> At 01:11 PM 8/4/2005 -0700, you wrote:
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley
>><lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
>>
>>Looking for feedback on RV builder experiences with panel cutting or
>>punching companies out there in the RV world today... Do you want to
>>share
>>your panel experience?
>
>
> ======================================
>
> And how many homebuilders have the top of the line ProE 3D parametric
> solids
> modeling package available to them? ;o) I can't afford it, so I use
> AutoCAD
> Inventor Release 8.
>
> Any cheap CAD program out there should be able to be able to output the
> required .dxf file that the laser or water jet cutter subcontractors
> should need
> to cut your panel. You don't really need the high end stuff. The panel
> is
> really just 2D.
>
> GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 755hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle / exhaust clearance |
--> RV-List message posted by: mark phipps <skydive80020@yahoo.com>
Glenn, I have an Ellison and my Throttle cable comes in from the side, and goes
right by the exhaust. I used Vans heat shields, two side by side and the Throttle
cable does not appear to be affected by the heat at all. That should be plenty
of protection.
Mark Phipps, N242RP
Glen Matejcek <aerobubba@earthlink.net> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: "Glen Matejcek"
Hi All-
I'm working on the FWF of my -8, and it looks like my throttle cable is
going to be pretty close to my aft crossover tube. The engine is an angle
valve (I wonder why they don't just call them hemi's...) and the cable and
it's associated bracketry are from Van's. I'm envisioning firesleeve on
the cable as a minimum, and perhaps some rigid shielding. How much
clearance does one need to protect a naked cable, and what have you guys
been doing for shielding, if anything?
As ever, thanks in advance to those who have been there, done that!
Glen Matejcek
aerobubba@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Re: cleaning piston ring grooves |
--> RV-List message posted by: gert <gert.v@sbcglobal.net>
Thanks for all your suggestions, I think I will let it soak in carb
cleaner for a while.
Gert
gert wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: gert <gert.v@sbcglobal.net>
>
>I had a stuck oil ring on one of my cylinders for my IO360.
>
>the ring came off clean from the piston, but there are some (very) hard
>deposits in 2 or 3 small places in the groove.
>
>what is an acceptable method to remove these deposits, walnut
>blasting?? mechanical ring groove cleaner?? some other scraper
>contraption?? chemical??
>
>interested to know what method(s) the old hands use.
>
>Thanks
>
>Gert
>
>
>
--
is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500
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| Subject: | Reno Air Race Tickets for sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: "J D Newsum" <jnewsum1@msn.com>
Have one set of tickets for the 2005 Reno Air Races for sale. Tickets are
reserved grand stand package for the entire event Wed (09/14/05) thru Sunday
(09/18/05) with Pit passes for Thursday and Friday. Paid $140.00 for the
package. Will consider any reasonable offer.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle / exhaust clearance |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" <crowbotham@hotmail.com>
Glenn,
We also used Van's heat shield, have worked well for the 300+ hours.
Chuck
>From: mark phipps <skydive80020@yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Throttle / exhaust clearance
>Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 07:03:37 -0700 (PDT)
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: mark phipps <skydive80020@yahoo.com>
>
>Glenn, I have an Ellison and my Throttle cable comes in from the side, and
>goes right by the exhaust. I used Vans heat shields, two side by side and
>the Throttle cable does not appear to be affected by the heat at all. That
>should be plenty of protection.
>
>Mark Phipps, N242RP
>
>Glen Matejcek <aerobubba@earthlink.net> wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Glen Matejcek"
>
>Hi All-
>
>I'm working on the FWF of my -8, and it looks like my throttle cable is
>going to be pretty close to my aft crossover tube. The engine is an angle
>valve (I wonder why they don't just call them hemi's...) and the cable and
>it's associated bracketry are from Van's. I'm envisioning firesleeve on
>the cable as a minimum, and perhaps some rigid shielding. How much
>clearance does one need to protect a naked cable, and what have you guys
>been doing for shielding, if anything?
>
>As ever, thanks in advance to those who have been there, done that!
>
>Glen Matejcek
>aerobubba@earthlink.net
>
>
>---------------------------------
>
>
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| Subject: | Cutting or Punching Panels |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
Avery rents their punch for a couple days & a small fee. That's how I did
mine.
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Struyk
> Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 9:32 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Cutting or Punching Panels
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Struyk" <rv8striker@hotmail.com>
>
> Why not buy the punch and do it yourself? I bought a punch
> from
> Avery,(http://www.averytools.com/results.cfm?keyword=punch )
> but all the tool companies sell them. Mine is reversible. It
> cuts a 3 1/8 inch or a 2
> 1/4 inch hole depending on how you set up the tool. For my VM
> 1000, and other odd shaped holes, I used the template that
> came with it ,then used a router that followed the templates.
> For the radios I drilled the corners, scribed, cut a bit on
> the conservative side and filed to fit.
>
> I am very happy with the results of my panel. Just my two cents worth.
>
> Steve Struyk
> RV-8, St. Charles, MO
> N842S
> The wings went on yesterday! Getting close now!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Vanremog@aol.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Cutting or Punching Panels
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 8/4/2005 6:08:58 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> > bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com writes:
> >
> > I drew my panel up in Pro-E and then sent it to a machine
> shop. Came out
> > perfect. I imagine a water jet company would also be good.
> >
> >
> > At 01:11 PM 8/4/2005 -0700, you wrote:
> >>--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley
> >><lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
> >>
> >>Looking for feedback on RV builder experiences with panel
> cutting or
> >>punching companies out there in the RV world today... Do
> you want to
> >>share
> >>your panel experience?
> >
> >
> > ======================================
> >
> > And how many homebuilders have the top of the line ProE 3D
> parametric
> > solids
> > modeling package available to them? ;o) I can't afford it,
> so I use
> > AutoCAD
> > Inventor Release 8.
> >
> > Any cheap CAD program out there should be able to be able
> to output the
> > required .dxf file that the laser or water jet cutter
> subcontractors
> > should need
> > to cut your panel. You don't really need the high end
> stuff. The panel
> > is
> > really just 2D.
> >
> > GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 755hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Riveting while pregnant? |
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Johnson" <matt@n559rv.com>
Okay, weird question... my wife is 21 weeks pregnant. Is it okay for her to help
me in riveting the wings? I could not find any information on
the internet if the noise or vibrations would hurt the baby... anyone have some
advice? someone on this list must be an OB or Doctor or
asked this question before...
- Matt
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| Subject: | Re: Riveting while pregnant? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
On Sat, 6 Aug 2005, Matt Johnson wrote:
> Okay, weird question... my wife is 21 weeks pregnant. Is it okay for her to
> help me in riveting the wings?
I'd be worried that the child would grow up to be a repeat offender.
Tedd McHenry
Surrey, BC
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| Subject: | Re: Riveting while pregnant? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Don Mack" <don@dmack.net>
If it's a boy will you name him Buck?
do not archive
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Johnson" <matt@n559rv.com>
>
> Okay, weird question... my wife is 21 weeks pregnant. Is it okay for her
> to help me in riveting the wings? I could not find any information on
> the internet if the noise or vibrations would hurt the baby... anyone have
> some advice? someone on this list must be an OB or Doctor or
> asked this question before...
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| Subject: | Riveting while pregnant? |
--> RV-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
Congratulations on the growing family! I doubt you have much to be concerned about
here, Matt. OTOH, I also doubt there are any published studies to base that
on... For goodness sakes, be careful seeking that kind of info from the Internet,
of all places. I can ask my audiologist friend what the likely sound
pressure levels are in utero, given the rivet gun noise level and all the attenuation
that surely occurs from air/soft tissue/amniotic fluid interfaces, reflections,
etc. Perhaps we could arrive at something better that a wild guess
at the baby's noise exposure in utero. No promises, though. To get us started,
does anyone know the SPL of a rivet gun in typical operation?
I'd have been mighty glad for my wife's help with riveting had I been building
my RV back when the kids were gestating. I would not have had any reservations
about letting her help out while pregnant, even around all the noisy tools in
the shop. Maybe not while using MEK or ProSeal, or shooting paint. That said,
if you put her to work bucking, or better yet, handling the rivet gun while
you buck since that is a better use of your builder's skill, don't blame me
if your kid is born with a birth mark resembling a bucking bar, or has a penchant
for submachine guns when he gets older.
Let us know if he turns backflips when he hears the noise from that 3X rivet shooter,
okay?
-Stormy
(into aviation since 1991 and pediatrics since 1983 - wife says I only practice
the latter to fund the former and she's, uh, mostly correct)
-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Johnson <matt@n559rv.com>
Subject: RV-List: Riveting while pregnant? (not processed: message from valid local
sender)
--> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Johnson" <matt@n559rv.com>
Okay, weird question... my wife is 21 weeks pregnant. Is it okay for her to help
me in riveting the wings? I could not find any information on
the internet if the noise or vibrations would hurt the baby... anyone have some
advice? someone on this list must be an OB or Doctor or
asked this question before...
- Matt
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| Subject: | Re: Riveting while pregnant? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mark Grieve <mark@macomb.com>
Rosie if it is a girl?
Don started it!
Do not archive.
Don Mack wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Don Mack" <don@dmack.net>
>
>If it's a boy will you name him Buck?
>
>do not archive
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Johnson" <matt@n559rv.com>
>>
>>Okay, weird question... my wife is 21 weeks pregnant. Is it okay for her
>>to help me in riveting the wings? I could not find any information on
>>the internet if the noise or vibrations would hurt the baby... anyone have
>>some advice? someone on this list must be an OB or Doctor or
>>asked this question before...
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Riveting while pregnant? (not processed: message from valid |
loca...
--> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com
In a message dated 8/6/2005 5:36:39 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
matt@n559rv.com writes:
Okay, weird question... my wife is 21 weeks pregnant. Is it okay for her to
help me in riveting the wings?
===================================================
I guess that depends on how she is used to holding the bucking bar. ;o)
do not archive
GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 755hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)
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| Subject: | Re: Cutting or Punching Panels |
--> RV-List message posted by: "sdavis12" <sdavis12@midsouth.rr.com>
Thanks, Mark
----- Original Message -----
From: <Fiveonepw@aol.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Cutting or Punching Panels
> --> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 08/04/2005 2:59:25 PM Central Standard Time,
> lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com writes:
> Do you want to share your panel experience?
> >>>>>
>
> Glad to- I used Steve Davis in Memphis and the results were most
excellent,
> IMHO- go to:
>
> http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/index.php?q=log_entry&log_id=5096
>
> then click "next entry>>" at the top of each page for the whole story.
> Highly recommended and no commision- just a happy customer!
>
> Mark Phillips -6A, 215 hours
>
>
> --
>
>
--
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle / exhaust clearance |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Glen,
As others have said, on my IO-360-A1B6, I used a heat shield on the exhaust
in the vicinity of the cable, and I also wrapped the cable with some "heat
reflective" wrap tape stuff along the last 18" or so of cable (at the servo
end). It has held up well for hundreds of hours.
I used firesleeve to wrap my mixture cable, which goes straight under the
engine, near the exhaust. I'd say that the mixture control is smoother than
the throttle at this point. Not sure if that says anything about the
firesleeve versus reflective heat wrap, or is just coincidental.
But I would definitely recommend wrapping the control cable with some sort
of protection in addition to using heat shields where the cable crosses
close by the exhaust.
Hope this helps,
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D (583 hours)
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Glen Matejcek" <aerobubba@earthlink.net>
Subject: RV-List: Throttle / exhaust clearance
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Glen Matejcek" <aerobubba@earthlink.net>
>
> Hi All-
>
> I'm working on the FWF of my -8, and it looks like my throttle cable is
> going to be pretty close to my aft crossover tube. The engine is an angle
> valve (I wonder why they don't just call them hemi's...) and the cable and
> it's associated bracketry are from Van's. I'm envisioning firesleeve on
> the cable as a minimum, and perhaps some rigid shielding. How much
> clearance does one need to protect a naked cable, and what have you guys
> been doing for shielding, if anything?
>
> As ever, thanks in advance to those who have been there, done that!
>
> Glen Matejcek
> aerobubba@earthlink.net
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Riveting while pregnant? |
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Johnson" <matt@n559rv.com>
Thanks guys for all the advice. My father in law has offered to help with the wings
for now so she is off the hook. I do appreciate all the
replies I got...
- Matt
-----Original Message-----
From: sportav8r@aol.com
Subject: RV-List: Riveting while pregnant?
> --> RV-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
>
> Congratulations on the growing family! I doubt you have much to be
> concerned about here, Matt. OTOH, I also doubt there are any published
> studies to base that on... For goodness sakes, be careful seeking that
> kind of info from the Internet, of all places. I can ask my
> audiologist friend what the likely sound pressure levels are in utero,
> given the rivet gun noise level and all the attenuation that surely
> occurs from air/soft tissue/amniotic fluid interfaces, reflections,
> etc. Perhaps we could arrive at something better that a wild guess at
> the baby's noise exposure in utero. No promises, though. To get us
> started, does anyone know the SPL of a rivet gun in typical operation?
>
> I'd have been mighty glad for my wife's help with riveting had I been
> building my RV back when the kids were gestating. I would not have had
> any reservations about letting her help out while pregnant, even around
> all the noisy tools in the shop. Maybe not while using MEK or ProSeal,
> or shooting paint. That said, if you put her to work bucking, or
> better yet, handling the rivet gun while you buck since that is a
> better use of your builder's skill, don't blame me if your kid is born
> with a birth mark resembling a bucking bar, or has a penchant for
> submachine guns when he gets older.
>
> Let us know if he turns backflips when he hears the noise from that 3X
> rivet shooter, okay?
>
> -Stormy
>
> (into aviation since 1991 and pediatrics since 1983 - wife says I only
> practice the latter to fund the former and she's, uh, mostly correct)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matt Johnson <matt@n559rv.com>
> To: rv-list@matronics.com; rv7and7a@yahoogroups.com;
> socal-rvlist@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RV-List: Riveting while pregnant? (not processed: message from
> valid local sender)
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Johnson" <matt@n559rv.com>
>
> Okay, weird question... my wife is 21 weeks pregnant. Is it okay for
> her to help
> me in riveting the wings? I could not find any information on
> the internet if the noise or vibrations would hurt the baby... anyone
> have some
> advice? someone on this list must be an OB or Doctor or
> asked this question before...
>
> - Matt
>
>
>
>
>
>
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