---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 08/06/05: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:23 AM - Re: cleaning piston ring grooves (Mickey Coggins) 2. 04:49 AM - Re: cleaning piston ring grooves (Tom & Cathy Ervin) 3. 05:23 AM - Re: And another crash at Oshkosh? Pilots Report (Bob 1) 4. 06:32 AM - Re: Cutting or Punching Panels (Steve Struyk) 5. 07:04 AM - Re: Throttle / exhaust clearance (mark phipps) 6. 07:21 AM - Re: cleaning piston ring grooves (gert) 7. 07:31 AM - Reno Air Race Tickets for sale (J D Newsum) 8. 09:12 AM - Re: Throttle / exhaust clearance (Charles Rowbotham) 9. 01:24 PM - Re: Cutting or Punching Panels (Larry Bowen) 10. 05:35 PM - Riveting while pregnant? (Matt Johnson) 11. 06:34 PM - Re: Riveting while pregnant? (Tedd McHenry) 12. 06:49 PM - Re: Riveting while pregnant? (Don Mack) 13. 06:57 PM - Riveting while pregnant? (sportav8r@aol.com) 14. 07:21 PM - Re: Riveting while pregnant? (Mark Grieve) 15. 07:41 PM - Re: Riveting while pregnant? (not processed: message from valid loca... (Vanremog@aol.com) 16. 08:57 PM - Re: Cutting or Punching Panels (sdavis12) 17. 09:39 PM - Re: Throttle / exhaust clearance (Dan Checkoway) 18. 11:12 PM - Re: Riveting while pregnant? (Matt Johnson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:23:42 AM PST US From: Mickey Coggins Subject: Re: RV-List: cleaning piston ring grooves --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins > what is an acceptable method to remove these deposits, walnut > blasting?? mechanical ring groove cleaner?? some other scraper > contraption?? chemical?? > > interested to know what method(s) the old hands use. I'm not sure how common this technology is, but at OSH there was a guy demonstrating an ultrasonic cleaning vat which would be perfect for this application. If they are common, I'll bet a machine shop near you would be happy to clean these parts for a few bucks. -- Mickey Coggins http://www.rv8.ch/ #82007 finishing ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:49:03 AM PST US From: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" Subject: Re: RV-List: cleaning piston ring grooves --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" Toothbrush and carb cleaner works great. Tom in Ohio ----- Original Message ----- From: "gert" Subject: RV-List: cleaning piston ring grooves > --> RV-List message posted by: gert > > I had a stuck oil ring on one of my cylinders for my IO360. > > the ring came off clean from the piston, but there are some (very) hard > deposits in 2 or 3 small places in the groove. > > what is an acceptable method to remove these deposits, walnut > blasting?? mechanical ring groove cleaner?? some other scraper > contraption?? chemical?? > > interested to know what method(s) the old hands use. > > Thanks > > Gert > > -- > > > is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500 > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:23:55 AM PST US From: "Bob 1" Subject: Re: RV-List: And another crash at Oshkosh? Pilots Report --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob 1" Depending on the winds, I'd suggest that another option is to land on the upwind side of the runway. With even a 5 mph crosswind component, a 10 second spacing will let the lead aircraft's wake blow 75' or so downwind, which should give plenty of room, assuming the lead aircraft landed anywhere close to the centerline. This is also something to consider if you do formation takeoffs. If you're #2, make sure you're on the upwind side of lead during takeoff, 'cause there is some nasty turbulence on the downwind side of a low/slow RV. KB ================================= Excellent point. Works especially well.... when departing as a 'flight of two' with an F-51 Mustang in the lead. Bob - RV3 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:32:46 AM PST US From: "Steve Struyk" Subject: Re: RV-List: Cutting or Punching Panels --> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Struyk" Why not buy the punch and do it yourself? I bought a punch from Avery,(http://www.averytools.com/results.cfm?keyword=punch ) but all the tool companies sell them. Mine is reversible. It cuts a 3 1/8 inch or a 2 1/4 inch hole depending on how you set up the tool. For my VM 1000, and other odd shaped holes, I used the template that came with it ,then used a router that followed the templates. For the radios I drilled the corners, scribed, cut a bit on the conservative side and filed to fit. I am very happy with the results of my panel. Just my two cents worth. Steve Struyk RV-8, St. Charles, MO N842S The wings went on yesterday! Getting close now! ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: RV-List: Cutting or Punching Panels > --> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com > > > In a message dated 8/4/2005 6:08:58 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com writes: > > I drew my panel up in Pro-E and then sent it to a machine shop. Came out > perfect. I imagine a water jet company would also be good. > > > At 01:11 PM 8/4/2005 -0700, you wrote: >>--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley >> >> >>Looking for feedback on RV builder experiences with panel cutting or >>punching companies out there in the RV world today... Do you want to >>share >>your panel experience? > > > ====================================== > > And how many homebuilders have the top of the line ProE 3D parametric > solids > modeling package available to them? ;o) I can't afford it, so I use > AutoCAD > Inventor Release 8. > > Any cheap CAD program out there should be able to be able to output the > required .dxf file that the laser or water jet cutter subcontractors > should need > to cut your panel. You don't really need the high end stuff. The panel > is > really just 2D. > > GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 755hrs, Silicon Valley, CA) > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:04:14 AM PST US From: mark phipps Subject: Re: RV-List: Throttle / exhaust clearance --> RV-List message posted by: mark phipps Glenn, I have an Ellison and my Throttle cable comes in from the side, and goes right by the exhaust. I used Vans heat shields, two side by side and the Throttle cable does not appear to be affected by the heat at all. That should be plenty of protection. Mark Phipps, N242RP Glen Matejcek wrote: --> RV-List message posted by: "Glen Matejcek" Hi All- I'm working on the FWF of my -8, and it looks like my throttle cable is going to be pretty close to my aft crossover tube. The engine is an angle valve (I wonder why they don't just call them hemi's...) and the cable and it's associated bracketry are from Van's. I'm envisioning firesleeve on the cable as a minimum, and perhaps some rigid shielding. How much clearance does one need to protect a naked cable, and what have you guys been doing for shielding, if anything? As ever, thanks in advance to those who have been there, done that! Glen Matejcek aerobubba@earthlink.net --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:21:58 AM PST US From: gert Subject: Re: RV-List: cleaning piston ring grooves --> RV-List message posted by: gert Thanks for all your suggestions, I think I will let it soak in carb cleaner for a while. Gert gert wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: gert > >I had a stuck oil ring on one of my cylinders for my IO360. > >the ring came off clean from the piston, but there are some (very) hard >deposits in 2 or 3 small places in the groove. > >what is an acceptable method to remove these deposits, walnut >blasting?? mechanical ring groove cleaner?? some other scraper >contraption?? chemical?? > >interested to know what method(s) the old hands use. > >Thanks > >Gert > > > -- is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:31:55 AM PST US From: "J D Newsum" Subject: RV-List: Reno Air Race Tickets for sale --> RV-List message posted by: "J D Newsum" Have one set of tickets for the 2005 Reno Air Races for sale. Tickets are reserved grand stand package for the entire event Wed (09/14/05) thru Sunday (09/18/05) with Pit passes for Thursday and Friday. Paid $140.00 for the package. Will consider any reasonable offer. do not archive ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:12:16 AM PST US From: "Charles Rowbotham" Subject: Re: RV-List: Throttle / exhaust clearance --> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" Glenn, We also used Van's heat shield, have worked well for the 300+ hours. Chuck >From: mark phipps >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV-List: Throttle / exhaust clearance >Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 07:03:37 -0700 (PDT) > >--> RV-List message posted by: mark phipps > >Glenn, I have an Ellison and my Throttle cable comes in from the side, and >goes right by the exhaust. I used Vans heat shields, two side by side and >the Throttle cable does not appear to be affected by the heat at all. That >should be plenty of protection. > >Mark Phipps, N242RP > >Glen Matejcek wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Glen Matejcek" > >Hi All- > >I'm working on the FWF of my -8, and it looks like my throttle cable is >going to be pretty close to my aft crossover tube. The engine is an angle >valve (I wonder why they don't just call them hemi's...) and the cable and >it's associated bracketry are from Van's. I'm envisioning firesleeve on >the cable as a minimum, and perhaps some rigid shielding. How much >clearance does one need to protect a naked cable, and what have you guys >been doing for shielding, if anything? > >As ever, thanks in advance to those who have been there, done that! > >Glen Matejcek >aerobubba@earthlink.net > > >--------------------------------- > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:24:43 PM PST US From: "Larry Bowen" Subject: RE: RV-List: Cutting or Punching Panels --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" Avery rents their punch for a couple days & a small fee. That's how I did mine. - Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Struyk > Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 9:32 AM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: Cutting or Punching Panels > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Struyk" > > Why not buy the punch and do it yourself? I bought a punch > from > Avery,(http://www.averytools.com/results.cfm?keyword=punch ) > but all the tool companies sell them. Mine is reversible. It > cuts a 3 1/8 inch or a 2 > 1/4 inch hole depending on how you set up the tool. For my VM > 1000, and other odd shaped holes, I used the template that > came with it ,then used a router that followed the templates. > For the radios I drilled the corners, scribed, cut a bit on > the conservative side and filed to fit. > > I am very happy with the results of my panel. Just my two cents worth. > > Steve Struyk > RV-8, St. Charles, MO > N842S > The wings went on yesterday! Getting close now! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Subject: Re: RV-List: Cutting or Punching Panels > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com > > > > > > In a message dated 8/4/2005 6:08:58 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com writes: > > > > I drew my panel up in Pro-E and then sent it to a machine > shop. Came out > > perfect. I imagine a water jet company would also be good. > > > > > > At 01:11 PM 8/4/2005 -0700, you wrote: > >>--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley > >> > >> > >>Looking for feedback on RV builder experiences with panel > cutting or > >>punching companies out there in the RV world today... Do > you want to > >>share > >>your panel experience? > > > > > > ====================================== > > > > And how many homebuilders have the top of the line ProE 3D > parametric > > solids > > modeling package available to them? ;o) I can't afford it, > so I use > > AutoCAD > > Inventor Release 8. > > > > Any cheap CAD program out there should be able to be able > to output the > > required .dxf file that the laser or water jet cutter > subcontractors > > should need > > to cut your panel. You don't really need the high end > stuff. The panel > > is > > really just 2D. > > > > GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 755hrs, Silicon Valley, CA) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:35:34 PM PST US From: "Matt Johnson" socal-rvlist@yahoogroups.com Subject: RV-List: Riveting while pregnant? (not processed: message from valid local sender) --> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Johnson" Okay, weird question... my wife is 21 weeks pregnant. Is it okay for her to help me in riveting the wings? I could not find any information on the internet if the noise or vibrations would hurt the baby... anyone have some advice? someone on this list must be an OB or Doctor or asked this question before... - Matt ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:34:52 PM PST US From: Tedd McHenry Subject: Re: RV-List: Riveting while pregnant? --> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry On Sat, 6 Aug 2005, Matt Johnson wrote: > Okay, weird question... my wife is 21 weeks pregnant. Is it okay for her to > help me in riveting the wings? I'd be worried that the child would grow up to be a repeat offender. Tedd McHenry Surrey, BC ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:49:36 PM PST US From: "Don Mack" Subject: Re: RV-List: Riveting while pregnant? --> RV-List message posted by: "Don Mack" If it's a boy will you name him Buck? do not archive > --> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Johnson" > > Okay, weird question... my wife is 21 weeks pregnant. Is it okay for her > to help me in riveting the wings? I could not find any information on > the internet if the noise or vibrations would hurt the baby... anyone have > some advice? someone on this list must be an OB or Doctor or > asked this question before... ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:57:36 PM PST US From: sportav8r@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Riveting while pregnant? --> RV-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com Congratulations on the growing family! I doubt you have much to be concerned about here, Matt. OTOH, I also doubt there are any published studies to base that on... For goodness sakes, be careful seeking that kind of info from the Internet, of all places. I can ask my audiologist friend what the likely sound pressure levels are in utero, given the rivet gun noise level and all the attenuation that surely occurs from air/soft tissue/amniotic fluid interfaces, reflections, etc. Perhaps we could arrive at something better that a wild guess at the baby's noise exposure in utero. No promises, though. To get us started, does anyone know the SPL of a rivet gun in typical operation? I'd have been mighty glad for my wife's help with riveting had I been building my RV back when the kids were gestating. I would not have had any reservations about letting her help out while pregnant, even around all the noisy tools in the shop. Maybe not while using MEK or ProSeal, or shooting paint. That said, if you put her to work bucking, or better yet, handling the rivet gun while you buck since that is a better use of your builder's skill, don't blame me if your kid is born with a birth mark resembling a bucking bar, or has a penchant for submachine guns when he gets older. Let us know if he turns backflips when he hears the noise from that 3X rivet shooter, okay? -Stormy (into aviation since 1991 and pediatrics since 1983 - wife says I only practice the latter to fund the former and she's, uh, mostly correct) -----Original Message----- From: Matt Johnson Subject: RV-List: Riveting while pregnant? (not processed: message from valid local sender) --> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Johnson" Okay, weird question... my wife is 21 weeks pregnant. Is it okay for her to help me in riveting the wings? I could not find any information on the internet if the noise or vibrations would hurt the baby... anyone have some advice? someone on this list must be an OB or Doctor or asked this question before... - Matt ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:21:21 PM PST US From: Mark Grieve Subject: Re: RV-List: Riveting while pregnant? --> RV-List message posted by: Mark Grieve Rosie if it is a girl? Don started it! Do not archive. Don Mack wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Don Mack" > >If it's a boy will you name him Buck? > >do not archive > > > >>--> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Johnson" >> >>Okay, weird question... my wife is 21 weeks pregnant. Is it okay for her >>to help me in riveting the wings? I could not find any information on >>the internet if the noise or vibrations would hurt the baby... anyone have >>some advice? someone on this list must be an OB or Doctor or >>asked this question before... >> >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:41:37 PM PST US From: Vanremog@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Riveting while pregnant? (not processed: message from valid loca... --> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com In a message dated 8/6/2005 5:36:39 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, matt@n559rv.com writes: Okay, weird question... my wife is 21 weeks pregnant. Is it okay for her to help me in riveting the wings? =================================================== I guess that depends on how she is used to holding the bucking bar. ;o) do not archive GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 755hrs, Silicon Valley, CA) ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:57:41 PM PST US From: "sdavis12" Subject: Re: RV-List: Cutting or Punching Panels --> RV-List message posted by: "sdavis12" Thanks, Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: RV-List: Cutting or Punching Panels > --> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com > > In a message dated 08/04/2005 2:59:25 PM Central Standard Time, > lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com writes: > Do you want to share your panel experience? > >>>>> > > Glad to- I used Steve Davis in Memphis and the results were most excellent, > IMHO- go to: > > http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/index.php?q=log_entry&log_id=5096 > > then click "next entry>>" at the top of each page for the whole story. > Highly recommended and no commision- just a happy customer! > > Mark Phillips -6A, 215 hours > > > -- > > -- ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:39:03 PM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: Throttle / exhaust clearance --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" Glen, As others have said, on my IO-360-A1B6, I used a heat shield on the exhaust in the vicinity of the cable, and I also wrapped the cable with some "heat reflective" wrap tape stuff along the last 18" or so of cable (at the servo end). It has held up well for hundreds of hours. I used firesleeve to wrap my mixture cable, which goes straight under the engine, near the exhaust. I'd say that the mixture control is smoother than the throttle at this point. Not sure if that says anything about the firesleeve versus reflective heat wrap, or is just coincidental. But I would definitely recommend wrapping the control cable with some sort of protection in addition to using heat shields where the cable crosses close by the exhaust. Hope this helps, )_( Dan RV-7 N714D (583 hours) http://www.rvproject.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glen Matejcek" Subject: RV-List: Throttle / exhaust clearance > --> RV-List message posted by: "Glen Matejcek" > > Hi All- > > I'm working on the FWF of my -8, and it looks like my throttle cable is > going to be pretty close to my aft crossover tube. The engine is an angle > valve (I wonder why they don't just call them hemi's...) and the cable and > it's associated bracketry are from Van's. I'm envisioning firesleeve on > the cable as a minimum, and perhaps some rigid shielding. How much > clearance does one need to protect a naked cable, and what have you guys > been doing for shielding, if anything? > > As ever, thanks in advance to those who have been there, done that! > > Glen Matejcek > aerobubba@earthlink.net > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:12:42 PM PST US From: "Matt Johnson" Subject: Re: RV-List: Riveting while pregnant? (not processed: message from valid local sender) --> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Johnson" Thanks guys for all the advice. My father in law has offered to help with the wings for now so she is off the hook. I do appreciate all the replies I got... - Matt -----Original Message----- From: sportav8r@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Riveting while pregnant? > --> RV-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com > > Congratulations on the growing family! I doubt you have much to be > concerned about here, Matt. OTOH, I also doubt there are any published > studies to base that on... For goodness sakes, be careful seeking that > kind of info from the Internet, of all places. I can ask my > audiologist friend what the likely sound pressure levels are in utero, > given the rivet gun noise level and all the attenuation that surely > occurs from air/soft tissue/amniotic fluid interfaces, reflections, > etc. Perhaps we could arrive at something better that a wild guess at > the baby's noise exposure in utero. No promises, though. To get us > started, does anyone know the SPL of a rivet gun in typical operation? > > I'd have been mighty glad for my wife's help with riveting had I been > building my RV back when the kids were gestating. I would not have had > any reservations about letting her help out while pregnant, even around > all the noisy tools in the shop. Maybe not while using MEK or ProSeal, > or shooting paint. That said, if you put her to work bucking, or > better yet, handling the rivet gun while you buck since that is a > better use of your builder's skill, don't blame me if your kid is born > with a birth mark resembling a bucking bar, or has a penchant for > submachine guns when he gets older. > > Let us know if he turns backflips when he hears the noise from that 3X > rivet shooter, okay? > > -Stormy > > (into aviation since 1991 and pediatrics since 1983 - wife says I only > practice the latter to fund the former and she's, uh, mostly correct) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matt Johnson > To: rv-list@matronics.com; rv7and7a@yahoogroups.com; > socal-rvlist@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RV-List: Riveting while pregnant? (not processed: message from > valid local sender) > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Johnson" > > Okay, weird question... my wife is 21 weeks pregnant. Is it okay for > her to help > me in riveting the wings? I could not find any information on > the internet if the noise or vibrations would hurt the baby... anyone > have some > advice? someone on this list must be an OB or Doctor or > asked this question before... > > - Matt > > > > > >