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1. 05:19 AM - Re: Del 37 degree AN fitting seals (Ed Anderson)
2. 07:07 AM - Garmin GPS / Trio EZ-Pilot question (sportav8r@aol.com)
3. 08:15 AM - Re: Garmin GPS / Trio EZ-Pilot question (Bayne Just)
4. 08:59 AM - Re: Avionics Idea... (d-heun@web.de)
5. 11:17 AM - [ Vic Skodzinsky ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
6. 12:13 PM - Re: Garmin GPS / Trio EZ-Pilot question ()
7. 12:32 PM - Re: Avionics Idea... (David Leonard)
8. 12:33 PM - Re: [ Vic Skodzinsky ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (David Leonard)
9. 01:13 PM - Re: Garmin GPS / Trio EZ-Pilot question (Ron Lee)
10. 01:29 PM - Re: [ Vic Skodzinsky ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Bill VonDane)
11. 02:28 PM - Canopy - How many more times? ... I agree !! (Nic)
12. 02:51 PM - Re: Canopy - How many more times? ... I agree !! (Jerry Springer)
13. 02:51 PM - Re: Canopy - How many more times? ... I agree !! (Kyle Boatright)
14. 03:10 PM - Re: Canopy - How many more times? ... I agree !! (sportav8r@aol.com)
15. 03:16 PM - Re: [ Vic Skodzinsky ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Darrell Reiley)
16. 03:42 PM - Re: Best Portable GPS (Kevin Williams)
17. 03:56 PM - Re: Canopy - How many more times? ... I agree !! (Jerry Springer)
18. 04:11 PM - Re: Canopy - How many more times? ... I agree !! (Terry Watson)
19. 04:40 PM - Re: Best Portable GPS (Hal Rozema)
20. 04:51 PM - SEM Primer (Joe Davis)
21. 04:54 PM - Re: Canopy - How many more times? ... I agree !! (Jerry Springer)
22. 05:07 PM - Re: Canopy - How many more times? (Phil Birkelbach)
23. 05:16 PM - Re: SEM Primer (Randy Lervold)
24. 05:26 PM - Re: Best Portable GPS (Chris & Kellie Hand)
25. 05:44 PM - Re: Canopy - How many more times? ... I agree !! (Robin Marks)
26. 05:48 PM - Re: SEM Primer (Darrell Reiley)
27. 05:49 PM - Re: Canopy - How many more times? ... I agree !! (D.Bristol)
28. 05:51 PM - Speed Fairings & Pics (John Furey)
29. 06:41 PM - replacement Aeroflash position bulb (Jerry Calvert)
30. 07:02 PM - Re: SEM Primer (Joe Davis)
31. 08:03 PM - Sealer for canopy skirts (Bobby Hester)
32. 08:03 PM - Re: Canopy - How many more times? ... I agree !! (Kevin Horton)
33. 08:05 PM - VAF (Bobby Hester)
34. 08:12 PM - Re: Canopy - How many more times? ... I agree !! (Bill Schlatterer)
35. 09:46 PM - Re: Canopy - How many more times? ... I agree !! (GMC)
36. 11:44 PM - Cowl Pins (Glenn Gordon) (DEAN PSIROPOULOS)
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| Subject: | Re: Del 37 degree AN fitting seals |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Hi Mickey
Yes, I used the aluminum conical seals. I had a very slow leak in my pitot
tube system when I got it check for IFR certification. Nothing worked and I
didn't want to cut/pull the aluminum tubing I was using for the pitot tube.
I tried some of the -6 aluminum conical washers on top of the male fittings
and they completely eliminated the leak.
Ed
Ed Anderson
RV-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson@carolina.rr.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "C J Heitman" <cjh@execpc.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Del 37 degree AN fitting seals
> --> RV-List message posted by: "C J Heitman" <cjh@execpc.com>
>
> -3 and -4 seals available in copper for higher pressures. -4 thru -12
> available in aluminum:
>
> http://pegasusautoracing.com/ProductSelection.asp?Product=3202
>
> (Cost is lower than at Aircraft Spruce.)
>
> Chris Heitman
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Has anyone ever used these? They seem like
> a pretty good idea, but I've never heard of
> them before a day or two ago.
>
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/del37fittings.php
>
> Thanks for any feedback.
>
> Mickey
> --
> Mickey Coggins
> http://www.rv8.ch/
> #82007 finishing
>
> --
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Garmin GPS / Trio EZ-Pilot question |
--> RV-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
Stormy's hunting a newer GPS to drive his Trio A/P installation, and wondering
two things about NMEA outputs:
The GPSmap 396 online owner's manual says the unit can be programmed for "fast"
one-second output intervals; the 296's manual does not mention this particualr
capability. Any 296 users out there know if your unit will run at the one-second
output rate, or is 2 seconds all she'll do?
Secondly, is there that much of a drawback to having two-second GPS data updates
as far as tracking the flight plan with the EZ-Pilot? I know that one second
updates are preferred (and standard for panel-mount GPS's), but wondering how
much practical difference has been noticed in the air.
If this is a real issue, I might have to spring for the 396, which is truly more
$$$ than I want to spend right now; if not, I'd be happy with the 296. Currently
using an Airmap 500- nice GPS, but too tiny for my presbyopic eyes since
I hit the big 4-9 :-)
Thanks for the input, gang.
-Stormy
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin GPS / Trio EZ-Pilot question |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bayne Just" <bjust@cox.net>
The 296 manual, page 118 states, "The GPSMAP 296 NMEA data transmission can
be customized to keep the output rate at two seconds. If the unit is set up
to output all of the available NMEA sentences, the output rate may exceed
two seconds."
----- Original Message -----
From: <sportav8r@aol.com>
Subject: RV-List: Garmin GPS / Trio EZ-Pilot question
> --> RV-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
>
> Stormy's hunting a newer GPS to drive his Trio A/P installation, and
wondering two things about NMEA outputs:
>
> The GPSmap 396 online owner's manual says the unit can be programmed for
"fast" one-second output intervals; the 296's manual does not mention this
particualr capability. Any 296 users out there know if your unit will run
at the one-second output rate, or is 2 seconds all she'll do?
>
> Secondly, is there that much of a drawback to having two-second GPS data
updates as far as tracking the flight plan with the EZ-Pilot? I know that
one second updates are preferred (and standard for panel-mount GPS's), but
wondering how much practical difference has been noticed in the air.
>
> If this is a real issue, I might have to spring for the 396, which is
truly more $$$ than I want to spend right now; if not, I'd be happy with the
296. Currently using an Airmap 500- nice GPS, but too tiny for my
presbyopic eyes since I hit the big 4-9 :-)
>
> Thanks for the input, gang.
>
> -Stormy
>
>
--
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| Subject: | Re: Avionics Idea... |
--> RV-List message posted by: d-heun@web.de
rv-list@matronics.com schrieb am 12.08.05 22:33:48:
Hello Matt,
its a very good idea. I am a German builder,living near Frankfurt, beginning my RV 7A now and looking for a special equipment. The most programs during flight I need are on my laptop. For example Fly-Map or Jepp-View. But a laptop is to bulky in a cockpit and the screen is very bad readable. What I need ist a panel-built-in screen ( about 8-10") connect with a small computer and a wireless keyboard and an USB-Port for data exchange with my laptop. I have seen a t-BagC2 on the sun and fun but it is very expensive. About 5K$. ( www.navaero.com ).
Sorry for my bad english.
Detlef Heun
--> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Johnson" <matt@n559rv.com>
Does anyone have any idea of an instrument that either does not exist or where
whats available on the market is not satisfactory? I am
getting an itch to develop some sort of avionics as I enjoy aviation and I program
software and microcontrollers for a living... you can email
me off-list if anyone has some ideas or feedback...
- Matt
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| Subject: | [ Vic Skodzinsky ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
--> RV-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares <pictures@matronics.com>
A new Email List Photo Share is available:
Poster: Vic Skodzinsky <john@fureychrysler.com>
Lists: RV-List,Rocket-List
Subject: Speed fairings for fuel vents
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/john@fureychrysler.com.08.13.2005/index.html
o Main Photo Share Index
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
o Submitting a Photo Share
If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the
following information along with your email message and files:
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| Subject: | Garmin GPS / Trio EZ-Pilot question |
--> RV-List message posted by: "" <tx_jayhawk@excite.com>
Garmin just introducded a 5 hz (5 times per second) remote GPS WAAS module. Sounds like it would be a great fit for your need. http://www.garmin.com/products/gps185hz/ Scott7A Fuse in 3 weekswww.scottsrv7a.com--- On Sat 08/13, sportav8r@aol.com wrote:From: [mailto: sportav8r@aol.com]To: rv-list@matronics.comDate: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 10:05:45 -0400Subject: RV-List: Garmin GPS / Trio EZ-Pilot question-- RV-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.comStormy's hunting a newer GPS to drive his Trio A/P installation, and wondering two things about NMEA outputs:The GPSmap 396 online owner's manual says the unit can be programmed for "fast" one-second output intervals; the 296's manual does not mention this particualr capability. Any 296 users out there know if your unit will run at the one-second output rate, or is 2 seconds all she'll do?Secondly, is there that much of a drawback to having two-second GPS data updates as far as tracking the flight plan with the EZ-Pilot? I
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| Subject: | Re: Avionics Idea... |
--> RV-List message posted by: David Leonard <wdleonard@gmail.com>
>
>
> Hello Matt,
>
> its a very good idea. I am a German builder,living near Frankfurt,
> beginning my RV 7A now and looking for a special equipment. The most
> programs during flight I need are on my laptop. For example Fly-Map or
> Jepp-View. But a laptop is to bulky in a cockpit and the screen is very bad
> readable. What I need ist a panel-built-in screen ( about 8-10") connect
> with a small computer and a wireless keyboard and an USB-Port for data
> exchange with my laptop. I have seen a t-BagC2 on the sun and fun but it is
> very expensive. About 5K$. ( www.navaero.com <http://www.navaero.com> ).
> Sorry for my bad english.
>
> Detlef Heun
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Johnson" <matt@n559rv.com>
>
> Does anyone have any idea of an instrument that either does not exist or
> where whats available on the market is not satisfactory? I am
> getting an itch to develop some sort of avionics as I enjoy aviation and I
> program software and microcontrollers for a living... you can email
> me off-list if anyone has some ideas or feedback...
>
> - Matt
One thought/reminder...
Some people have found that a hard drive will stop working somewhere around
10,000'. The head rides on a cushion of air. when the air gets too thin the
head makes contact with the disk.
--
Dave Leonard
Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/rotaryroster/index.html
http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/vp4skydoc/index.html
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| Subject: | Re: [ Vic Skodzinsky ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
--> RV-List message posted by: David Leonard <wdleonard@gmail.com>
> A new Email List Photo Share is available:
>
> Poster: Vic Skodzinsky <john@fureychrysler.com>
>
> Lists: RV-List,Rocket-List
>
> Subject: Speed fairings for fuel vents
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/john@fureychrysler.com.08.13.2005/index.html
Very nice! Are these for sale?
--
Dave Leonard
Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/rotaryroster/index.html
http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/vp4skydoc/index.html
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin GPS / Trio EZ-Pilot question |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
Personally I doubt that 0.5 HZ is an issue for most straight and level
applications.
I would call Trio and get their input. There may be a standard for IFR use
but off-hand I don't recall if it is 1 or 2 Hz.
Ron Lee
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| Subject: | Re: [ Vic Skodzinsky ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
make you sure you all realize that carbon will react with aluminum if not
properly protected...
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Leonard" <wdleonard@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: [ Vic Skodzinsky ] : New Email List Photo Share
Available!
--> RV-List message posted by: David Leonard <wdleonard@gmail.com>
> A new Email List Photo Share is available:
>
> Poster: Vic Skodzinsky <john@fureychrysler.com>
>
> Lists: RV-List,Rocket-List
>
> Subject: Speed fairings for fuel vents
>
>
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/john@fureychrysler.com.08.13.2005/index.html
Very nice! Are these for sale?
--
Dave Leonard
Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/rotaryroster/index.html
http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/vp4skydoc/index.html
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| Subject: | Canopy - How many more times? ... I agree !! |
0.37 PLING_QUERY Subject has exclamation mark and question mark
--> RV-List message posted by: "Nic" <Nic@skyhi.flyer.co.uk>
Why should anyone have to battle like this to make a simple component of the
Vans kit fit properly ??
My quick build 8, has been anything but quick build, with fairings to make
up, the canopy to cut and scribe, baggage door to bend, rollbar to mangle,
undercarriage to make fit ... the list is endless, and much of it is a
complete waste of time.
I can only assume that Vans customers put up with this based on the fact
that compared with the RV4 and the slow build kits we are much better
placed. The reality is that like many builders, I am a flyer and want to get
in the air and fly - fiddling with canopies and fairings and the horrendous
cowls is dead time in anybody's life.
We all know how John McD' feels. At the moment there seems to be an
"Emperor's new clothes" syndrome surrounding our kits, with very little
dissent. Wake up Vans please and make life easier for your customers - and
if needs be charge more for a better and more complete product.
Nic
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy - How many more times? ... I agree !! |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@comcast.net>
Nic wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Nic" <Nic@skyhi.flyer.co.uk>
>
>Why should anyone have to battle like this to make a simple component of the
>Vans kit fit properly ??
>
>My quick build 8, has been anything but quick build, with fairings to make
>up, the canopy to cut and scribe, baggage door to bend, rollbar to mangle,
>undercarriage to make fit ... the list is endless, and much of it is a
>complete waste of time.
>
>I can only assume that Vans customers put up with this based on the fact
>that compared with the RV4 and the slow build kits we are much better
>placed. The reality is that like many builders, I am a flyer and want to get
>in the air and fly - fiddling with canopies and fairings and the horrendous
>cowls is dead time in anybody's life.
>
>We all know how John McD' feels. At the moment there seems to be an
>"Emperor's new clothes" syndrome surrounding our kits, with very little
>dissent. Wake up Vans please and make life easier for your customers - and
>if needs be charge more for a better and more complete product.
>
>Nic
>
>
I cannot believe the whinning I see going on here. Why don't we just see
if we can get Van to come to
our houses and build out kits for us. Wake up yourself, understnad that
the whole purpose behind
the experimental catagory was for educational purposes. If you don't
like to build go buy a Cessna or
a Mooney etc. It has nothing to do with "Emperor's new clothes" it is a
kit aircraft you are suppose
to build yourself. Van is already right at the line of 51% rule what
more do you want? I guess you must be
flush with money to ask Van to charge more for his kit, actually that
statement really pisses me off, once again
if you can't build it go buy something else. If you had told anyone you
were a flyer and not a builder then the
advice would have been GO BUY SOMETHING...
Jerry (proud of every hole I drilled and rivet I put in my RV-6) Springer
First flight July 14, 1989
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy - How many more times? ... I agree !! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kboatright1@comcast.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nic" <Nic@skyhi.flyer.co.uk>
Subject: RV-List: Canopy - How many more times? ... I agree !!
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Nic" <Nic@skyhi.flyer.co.uk>
>
> Why should anyone have to battle like this to make a simple component of
> the
> Vans kit fit properly ??
>
> My quick build 8, has been anything but quick build, with fairings to make
> up, the canopy to cut and scribe, baggage door to bend, rollbar to mangle,
> undercarriage to make fit ... the list is endless, and much of it is a
> complete waste of time.
>
> I can only assume that Vans customers put up with this based on the fact
> that compared with the RV4 and the slow build kits we are much better
> placed. The reality is that like many builders, I am a flyer and want to
> get
> in the air and fly - fiddling with canopies and fairings and the
> horrendous
> cowls is dead time in anybody's life.
>
> We all know how John McD' feels. At the moment there seems to be an
> "Emperor's new clothes" syndrome surrounding our kits, with very little
> dissent. Wake up Vans please and make life easier for your customers -
> and
> if needs be charge more for a better and more complete product.
>
> Nic
Van's kits have evolved tremendously over the years. When computer aided
design became doable for a small organization, they adopted it. Same thing
for CNC punching of parts and matched hole tooling. Don't forget powder
coating and prepreg epoxy cowlings. Shoot, the new fairings, empennage
tips, etc. even fit reasonably well.
At this point, the kits are a great VALUE. No, they are not the best kits
possible, but if Van's created the *perfect* kit, it would probably cost
closer to what the Falco kits do (about $100k for the airframe) than the
~$25,000 a kit from Van's cost. I don't think Van's would have 14,000 or so
kits shipped if each one cost $50, $75, or $100k...
KB
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy - How many more times? ... I agree !! |
--> RV-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
Woah, there, Jerry. Lower your hammer carefully on the chamber and holster that
pistol, ol' buddy... No need to come out brandishing, here.
I'm proud like a moron of all the holes I measured and drilled on my slo-bild 6A
kit ten years ago, but I agree there's no sense in Van producing ill-fitting
parts on his mass-production CNC tooling and welding jigs if he can do better.
Extra cost should be negligible, but the time saved by thousands of builders
in the field will be exponentially more than what Van invests to fix any QC
issues with his kits. That minor cost to upgrade tooling becomes miniscule when
spread over thousands of kits later sold. Think about it.
I may have to replace a gear leg or a canopy one day, and the thought that these
are not truly interchangeable parts on my airplane gives me no comfort and joy.
Van could do better, and I hope he's not content to sit on his laurels, deserved
though they are.
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Canopy - How many more times? ... I agree !!
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@comcast.net>
Nic wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Nic" <Nic@skyhi.flyer.co.uk>
>
>Why should anyone have to battle like this to make a simple component of the
>Vans kit fit properly ??
>
>My quick build 8, has been anything but quick build, with fairings to make
>up, the canopy to cut and scribe, baggage door to bend, rollbar to mangle,
>undercarriage to make fit ... the list is endless, and much of it is a
>complete waste of time.
>
>I can only assume that Vans customers put up with this based on the fact
>that compared with the RV4 and the slow build kits we are much better
>placed. The reality is that like many builders, I am a flyer and want to get
>in the air and fly - fiddling with canopies and fairings and the horrendous
>cowls is dead time in anybody's life.
>
>We all know how John McD' feels. At the moment there seems to be an
>"Emperor's new clothes" syndrome surrounding our kits, with very little
>dissent. Wake up Vans please and make life easier for your customers - and
>if needs be charge more for a better and more complete product.
>
>Nic
>
>
I cannot believe the whinning I see going on here. Why don't we just see
if we can get Van to come to
our houses and build out kits for us. Wake up yourself, understnad that
the whole purpose behind
the experimental catagory was for educational purposes. If you don't
like to build go buy a Cessna or
a Mooney etc. It has nothing to do with "Emperor's new clothes" it is a
kit aircraft you are suppose
to build yourself. Van is already right at the line of 51% rule what
more do you want? I guess you must be
flush with money to ask Van to charge more for his kit, actually that
statement really pisses me off, once again
if you can't build it go buy something else. If you had told anyone you
were a flyer and not a builder then the
advice would have been GO BUY SOMETHING...
Jerry (proud of every hole I drilled and rivet I put in my RV-6) Springer
First flight July 14, 1989
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: [ Vic Skodzinsky ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
I think if they are installed with 3M thin double side tape you will be just fine.
Just hope you never want to take them back off. The tape sticks like you welded
together whatever material you're dealing with...
Darrell
Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane"
make you sure you all realize that carbon will react with aluminum if not
properly protected...
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Leonard"
Subject: Re: RV-List: [ Vic Skodzinsky ] : New Email List Photo Share
Available!
--> RV-List message posted by: David Leonard
> A new Email List Photo Share is available:
>
> Poster: Vic Skodzinsky
>
> Lists: RV-List,Rocket-List
>
> Subject: Speed fairings for fuel vents
>
>
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/john@fureychrysler.com.08.13.2005/index.html
Very nice! Are these for sale?
--
Dave Leonard
Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/rotaryroster/index.html
http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/vp4skydoc/index.html
Darrell Reiley
Round Rock, Texas
RV 7A "Reiley Rocket"
N622DR (reserved)
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| Subject: | Re: Best Portable GPS |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kevin Williams" <kevinsky18@hotmail.com>
I would like feedback on what portable GPS you feel is the best out there as
of today or very soon to be released? Im looking at buying a good one to go
along with a plane purchase.
Im looking for most of the bells and whistles. Color contoured map, and a
simulated HSI (horizontal situational indicator) would be great.
Kevin
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy - How many more times? ... I agree !! |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@comcast.net>
sportav8r@aol.com wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
>
>Woah, there, Jerry. Lower your hammer carefully on the chamber and holster that
pistol, ol' buddy... No need to come out brandishing, here.
>
>
Let not do any work or thinking for ourselves lets just have Van and Co.
come by and do it all for us.
Very few of the CNC parts are ill fitting and if they are Van replaces
them. Most of the whinning going on
here is for the parts the builder is suppose to manufacture or build
themselves. Please tell me which kit
manufacturer puts out a more complete better fitting kit?
Jerry
do not archive
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| Subject: | Canopy - How many more times? ... I agree !! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
C'mon Jerry, take the high road for once in your life.
I am in the middle of building my second filtered air box (F.A.B.). The
instructions say you have to cut and splice the fiberglass part to take some
of the bend out of it. I look at that and wonder why the subcontract
supplier didn't correct his mold in the several years between when my first
one was built and the second one I just received a week or so ago. I
understand that every custom built kit airplane is going to be a little
different, but does this fiberglass F.A.B. fit ANY of them? I don't know.
Then I look at the canopy skirt and wonder why such a nicely molded part
doesn't even come close to matching the contour of the fuselage. I wonder if
there is a good reason for it that I don't understand or maybe I did
something wrong, or if it doesn't fit because nobody has gotten around to
correcting it in the last 7 years.
And then there is this new trap door air filter bypass, which is the reason
I am building a new filtered air box. I literally finished the first one the
day the problems with the bypass door staying open were documented here on
this list. And if I call Van's and ask them about it, I'll bet you a dollar
the answer I get is some variation of "no one else has any problem with it."
Unlike Nic, I think I am more of a builder than a flyer so I don't mind as
much as he does that it takes a long time. But I can understand his
frustration.
I LIKE Van's as a company and for the kits they produce. I am constantly
reminded of what a lucky but good decision it was for me to go with one of
their kits when I made my decision seven years ago, but that doesn't mean
they couldn't do some things better, and it doesn't mean that anyone who
complains here on the list deserves to get a shovel of crap from you.
Be nice.
Terry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Springer
Subject: Re: RV-List: Canopy - How many more times? ... I agree !!
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@comcast.net>
Nic wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Nic" <Nic@skyhi.flyer.co.uk>
>
>Why should anyone have to battle like this to make a simple component of
the
>Vans kit fit properly ??
>
>My quick build 8, has been anything but quick build, with fairings to make
>up, the canopy to cut and scribe, baggage door to bend, rollbar to mangle,
>undercarriage to make fit ... the list is endless, and much of it is a
>complete waste of time.
>
>I can only assume that Vans customers put up with this based on the fact
>that compared with the RV4 and the slow build kits we are much better
>placed. The reality is that like many builders, I am a flyer and want to
get
>in the air and fly - fiddling with canopies and fairings and the
horrendous
>cowls is dead time in anybody's life.
>
>We all know how John McD' feels. At the moment there seems to be an
>"Emperor's new clothes" syndrome surrounding our kits, with very little
>dissent. Wake up Vans please and make life easier for your customers - and
>if needs be charge more for a better and more complete product.
>
>Nic
>
>
I cannot believe the whinning I see going on here. Why don't we just see
if we can get Van to come to
our houses and build out kits for us. Wake up yourself, understnad that
the whole purpose behind
the experimental catagory was for educational purposes. If you don't
like to build go buy a Cessna or
a Mooney etc. It has nothing to do with "Emperor's new clothes" it is a
kit aircraft you are suppose
to build yourself. Van is already right at the line of 51% rule what
more do you want? I guess you must be
flush with money to ask Van to charge more for his kit, actually that
statement really pisses me off, once again
if you can't build it go buy something else. If you had told anyone you
were a flyer and not a builder then the
advice would have been GO BUY SOMETHING...
Jerry (proud of every hole I drilled and rivet I put in my RV-6) Springer
First flight July 14, 1989
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Best Portable GPS |
--> RV-List message posted by: Hal Rozema <hartist1@cox.net>
I'm have both their ANYWHERE MAP http://www.controlvision.com/ and
ATTITUDE INDICATOR (HSI) http://www.anywheremap.com/pages/Section_AI.aspx
Zenith CH701 VSTOL w/Jabiru 3300
Hal Rozema
see ThePlaneFolks.Net click on Construction Gallery
Phoenix, AZ
Kevin Williams wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Kevin Williams" <kevinsky18@hotmail.com>
>
>I would like feedback on what portable GPS you feel is the best out there as
>of today or very soon to be released? Im looking at buying a good one to go
>along with a plane purchase.
>
>Im looking for most of the bells and whistles. Color contoured map, and a
>simulated HSI (horizontal situational indicator) would be great.
>
>Kevin
>
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Joe Davis" <jdavis213899@comcast.net>
No intentions of starting a "primer" debate, but just wanted to share my experiences
with a couple of primers.
I'm a newbie builder, although I've been flying commercially for over 30 years.
I'm building an RV8....just started the empennage and spent MANY hours researching
primers......if I should/should not prime, if prime.....what parts....all
or just some. Long story short....I've decided to prime all internal parts.
I narrowed the primers down to two, Tempo and SEM. After testing both products
on a piece of aluminum, SEM came out on top....hands down. Don't get me wrong,
Tempo self etching primer is good....very good, but SEM was more durable and
had a nicer finish. Plus, after just 30 minutes dry time, I tried to scrape the
finish with my finger nail.....not a scratch. SEM comes in either a rattle
can or bulk quarts and gallons.
I'm not associated with SEM in anyway, just wanted to pass along my experiences.
I would appreciate comments from anyone using SEM primer. So far I've been very
pleased with the product.
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy - How many more times? ... I agree !! |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@comcast.net>
Terry Watson wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
>
>C'mon Jerry, take the high road for once in your life.
>
>I am in the middle of building my second filtered air box (F.A.B.). The
>instructions say you have to cut and splice the fiberglass part to take some
>of the bend out of it. I look at that and wonder why the subcontract
>supplier didn't correct his mold in the several years between when my first
>one was built and the second one I just received a week or so ago. I
>understand that every custom built kit airplane is going to be a little
>different, but does this fiberglass F.A.B. fit ANY of them? I don't know.
>
>Then I look at the canopy skirt and wonder why such a nicely molded part
>doesn't even come close to matching the contour of the fuselage. I wonder if
>there is a good reason for it that I don't understand or maybe I did
>something wrong, or if it doesn't fit because nobody has gotten around to
>correcting it in the last 7 years.
>
>And then there is this new trap door air filter bypass, which is the reason
>I am building a new filtered air box. I literally finished the first one the
>day the problems with the bypass door staying open were documented here on
>this list. And if I call Van's and ask them about it, I'll bet you a dollar
>the answer I get is some variation of "no one else has any problem with it."
>
>Unlike Nic, I think I am more of a builder than a flyer so I don't mind as
>much as he does that it takes a long time. But I can understand his
>frustration.
>
>I LIKE Van's as a company and for the kits they produce. I am constantly
>reminded of what a lucky but good decision it was for me to go with one of
>their kits when I made my decision seven years ago, but that doesn't mean
>they couldn't do some things better, and it doesn't mean that anyone who
>complains here on the list deserves to get a shovel of crap from you.
>
>Be nice.
>
>Terry
>
>
>
>
You answered your own question, each one is built different. I guess I
can express my opinion
same as you or Nic can. That is all I am/was doing is expressing my
opinion about whinners.
Did you call Van's and ask them about the problem with the bypass trap
door or is that just your
opinion that they have not heard of the problem.? Is that a "shovel of
crap" I am getting from you? :-)
Jerry
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy - How many more times? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Phil Birkelbach <phil@petrasoft.net>
IIRC it was somewhere between 5 and 6 million times. :-) It's
frustrating at times but you'll eventually get it. Just be patient,
and make sure you get that frame right. If it's right everything
else will fall into place. If the frame is off then everything else
will be a pain.
Godspeed,
Phil
On Aug 11, 2005, at 22:32, JTAnon@aol.com wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: JTAnon@aol.com
>
> Can anybody doing an RV7 slider give me an estimate on how many
> times you
> need to install, uninstall, bend; install, uninstall, bend;
> install, uninstall,
> bend; install, uninstall, bend; install, uninstall, bend; install
> the damn
> thing before you get it right?
>
> I mean, if I'm already up 500 cycles, am I half way there? One
> third? One
> quarter?
>
> Oh PLEASE, tell me I'm almost done!
>
> Do Not Archive ....
>
> Just trying to keep my sense of humor here.
>
> John McD (Will somebody come and do this thing for me?)
>
> PS. IF ANYBODY REPLIES THAT THEY HAD FUN DOING THE CANOPY I WILL
> HUNT THEM
> DOWN AND KILL THEM
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@romeolima.com>
Joe (and anyone else interested), in deciding what primer to use on my
second RV project, I came to same conclusion and am totally happy with it...
http://www.romeolima.com/RV3works/Airframe/airframe.htm#Primer
I've turned some other local guys onto it and after trying other primers
they love it as well.
Randy Lervold
RV-8, 368 hrs, sold
RV-3B, finish
EAA Technical Counselor
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Davis" <jdavis213899@comcast.net>
Subject: RV-List: SEM Primer
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Joe Davis" <jdavis213899@comcast.net>
>
> No intentions of starting a "primer" debate, but just wanted to share my
> experiences with a couple of primers.
>
> I'm a newbie builder, although I've been flying commercially for over 30
> years. I'm building an RV8....just started the empennage and spent MANY
> hours researching primers......if I should/should not prime, if
> prime.....what parts....all or just some. Long story short....I've decided
> to prime all internal parts. I narrowed the primers down to two, Tempo and
> SEM. After testing both products on a piece of aluminum, SEM came out on
> top....hands down. Don't get me wrong, Tempo self etching primer is
> good....very good, but SEM was more durable and had a nicer finish. Plus,
> after just 30 minutes dry time, I tried to scrape the finish with my
> finger nail.....not a scratch. SEM comes in either a rattle can or bulk
> quarts and gallons.
>
> I'm not associated with SEM in anyway, just wanted to pass along my
> experiences. I would appreciate comments from anyone using SEM primer. So
> far I've been very pleased with the product.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Best Portable GPS |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Chris & Kellie Hand" <ckhand@earthlink.net>
"Best" will of course be a matter of many opinions, but I just bought the
Lowrance 2000c to replace the Garmin 195 and GPSPilot III that I've been
flying in my Cessna 140 for a while now and I'm very impressed with the
2000c. Check out the Lowrance web site for the features (large screen with
compass overlay displays, EFIS type pages, split maps, HSI page, etc and
comes ready to go for land or marine use too - Map Create software included
along with SD/MMC card reader to save data, maps, routes, etc).
Advertised prices are about $999 but you can get them for $750 to $800 right
now, or about what the black & white Garmin 196 runs, and in my opinion the
features for that price are quite good. I'm planning to mount the 2000c in
my RV-6A panel and have just started using it in my C140 - very happy with
it after just a few flights.
Garmin's 396 appears to be the Cadillac, but the purchase and subscription
prices are more than I can budget for this right now.
Chris Hand
RV-6A, finishing kit stages
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Williams" <kevinsky18@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Best Portable GPS
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Kevin Williams" <kevinsky18@hotmail.com>
>
> I would like feedback on what portable GPS you feel is the best out there
as
> of today or very soon to be released? Im looking at buying a good one to
go
> along with a plane purchase.
>
> Im looking for most of the bells and whistles. Color contoured map, and a
> simulated HSI (horizontal situational indicator) would be great.
>
> Kevin
>
>
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| Subject: | Canopy - How many more times? ... I agree !! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Robin Marks" <robin@mrmoisture.com>
RV-List,
As a non-builder I own a -4 that I love and enjoy. The reason
many don't own these planes is that we are not skilled enough to build
them. If I were to buy a Quick Build RV it would end up either as a
"Nose Dragger" or cubed in it's over all shape. Ever see a pusher RV?
The ferry company that delivered my 200 hour -4 to me cracked a
perfect canopy in transport. What do I do now? Think how great it would
be to have more pre-fabricated assemblies. I truly appreciate the
builder that wants to make it all; for me the joy is in the flying an RV
and not a Cessna. I also believe that with uniformity brings greater
safety.
Along that line I recently spoke with a chap that just purchased
a company that makes these 3/4 scale mustangs (very impressive bird). It
was an internal employee purchase situation. He stated that they working
closely with the FAA on providing much more complete assemblies such as
entire wing/aileron/flap/fuel tank as one part, maybe even gear and
lights. He believes that the FAA will soon be walking back the 51% rule
primarily for safety. He further stated that that would take his kid
down to between 600-750 hours from nearly 3,000 hours.
Mr. Moisture
RV-4
Non-builder and loving it!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
sportav8r@aol.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: Canopy - How many more times? ... I agree !!
--> RV-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
Woah, there, Jerry. Lower your hammer carefully on the chamber and
holster that pistol, ol' buddy... No need to come out brandishing, here.
I'm proud like a moron of all the holes I measured and drilled on my
slo-bild 6A kit ten years ago, but I agree there's no sense in Van
producing ill-fitting parts on his mass-production CNC tooling and
welding jigs if he can do better. Extra cost should be negligible, but
the time saved by thousands of builders in the field will be
exponentially more than what Van invests to fix any QC issues with his
kits. That minor cost to upgrade tooling becomes miniscule when spread
over thousands of kits later sold. Think about it.
I may have to replace a gear leg or a canopy one day, and the thought
that these are not truly interchangeable parts on my airplane gives me
no comfort and joy. Van could do better, and I hope he's not content to
sit on his laurels, deserved though they are.
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Canopy - How many more times? ... I agree !!
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@comcast.net>
Nic wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Nic" <Nic@skyhi.flyer.co.uk>
>
>Why should anyone have to battle like this to make a simple component
of the
>Vans kit fit properly ??
>
>My quick build 8, has been anything but quick build, with fairings to
make
>up, the canopy to cut and scribe, baggage door to bend, rollbar to
mangle,
>undercarriage to make fit ... the list is endless, and much of it is a
>complete waste of time.
>
>I can only assume that Vans customers put up with this based on the
fact
>that compared with the RV4 and the slow build kits we are much better
>placed. The reality is that like many builders, I am a flyer and want
to get
>in the air and fly - fiddling with canopies and fairings and the
horrendous
>cowls is dead time in anybody's life.
>
>We all know how John McD' feels. At the moment there seems to be an
>"Emperor's new clothes" syndrome surrounding our kits, with very little
>dissent. Wake up Vans please and make life easier for your customers -
and
>if needs be charge more for a better and more complete product.
>
>Nic
>
>
I cannot believe the whinning I see going on here. Why don't we just see
if we can get Van to come to
our houses and build out kits for us. Wake up yourself, understnad that
the whole purpose behind
the experimental catagory was for educational purposes. If you don't
like to build go buy a Cessna or
a Mooney etc. It has nothing to do with "Emperor's new clothes" it is a
kit aircraft you are suppose
to build yourself. Van is already right at the line of 51% rule what
more do you want? I guess you must be
flush with money to ask Van to charge more for his kit, actually that
statement really pisses me off, once again
if you can't build it go buy something else. If you had told anyone you
were a flyer and not a builder then the
advice would have been GO BUY SOMETHING...
Jerry (proud of every hole I drilled and rivet I put in my RV-6)
Springer
First flight July 14, 1989
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
Which SEM part # did you decide on?
Joe Davis <jdavis213899@comcast.net> wrote:--> RV-List message posted by: "Joe
Davis"
No intentions of starting a "primer" debate, but just wanted to share my experiences
with a couple of primers.
I'm a newbie builder, although I've been flying commercially for over 30 years.
I'm building an RV8....just started the empennage and spent MANY hours researching
primers......if I should/should not prime, if prime.....what parts....all
or just some. Long story short....I've decided to prime all internal parts.
I narrowed the primers down to two, Tempo and SEM. After testing both products
on a piece of aluminum, SEM came out on top....hands down. Don't get me wrong,
Tempo self etching primer is good....very good, but SEM was more durable and
had a nicer finish. Plus, after just 30 minutes dry time, I tried to scrape the
finish with my finger nail.....not a scratch. SEM comes in either a rattle
can or bulk quarts and gallons.
I'm not associated with SEM in anyway, just wanted to pass along my experiences.
I would appreciate comments from anyone using SEM primer. So far I've been very
pleased with the product.
Darrell Reiley
Round Rock, Texas
RV 7A "Reiley Rocket"
N622DR (reserved)
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy - How many more times? ... I agree !! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "D.Bristol" <dbris200@sbcglobal.net>
I'm going to side with Jerry on this one. If you don't WANT to build an
airplane then go BUY one. Van's kits are probably among the best kits
out there, if not THE best, not to mention, one of the least expensive.
If you don't want the challenges of building then, in my opinion, you
shouldn't be trying to build one.
I've been in homebuilding for 35 years and an EAA Technical Counselor
for most of that time, and one thing that I've found, is that the folks
that are just in it for the finished product and not for the experience
of "building it with their own hands" are the people that are likely to
make mistakes.
I don't mean this to be a slam on anyone, but my advice to anyone that
is contemplating building is if you don't have a real desire to "BUILD"
then don't.
Dave B. -6 So Cal
EAA Technical Counselor
Jerry Springer wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@comcast.net>
>
>
>Terry Watson wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
>>
>>C'mon Jerry, take the high road for once in your life.
>>
>>I am in the middle of building my second filtered air box (F.A.B.). The
>>instructions say you have to cut and splice the fiberglass part to take some
>>of the bend out of it. I look at that and wonder why the subcontract
>>supplier didn't correct his mold in the several years between when my first
>>one was built and the second one I just received a week or so ago. I
>>understand that every custom built kit airplane is going to be a little
>>different, but does this fiberglass F.A.B. fit ANY of them? I don't know.
>>
>>Then I look at the canopy skirt and wonder why such a nicely molded part
>>doesn't even come close to matching the contour of the fuselage. I wonder if
>>there is a good reason for it that I don't understand or maybe I did
>>something wrong, or if it doesn't fit because nobody has gotten around to
>>correcting it in the last 7 years.
>>
>>And then there is this new trap door air filter bypass, which is the reason
>>I am building a new filtered air box. I literally finished the first one the
>>day the problems with the bypass door staying open were documented here on
>>this list. And if I call Van's and ask them about it, I'll bet you a dollar
>>the answer I get is some variation of "no one else has any problem with it."
>>
>>Unlike Nic, I think I am more of a builder than a flyer so I don't mind as
>>much as he does that it takes a long time. But I can understand his
>>frustration.
>>
>>I LIKE Van's as a company and for the kits they produce. I am constantly
>>reminded of what a lucky but good decision it was for me to go with one of
>>their kits when I made my decision seven years ago, but that doesn't mean
>>they couldn't do some things better, and it doesn't mean that anyone who
>>complains here on the list deserves to get a shovel of crap from you.
>>
>>Be nice.
>>
>>Terry
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>You answered your own question, each one is built different. I guess I
>can express my opinion
>same as you or Nic can. That is all I am/was doing is expressing my
>opinion about whinners.
>Did you call Van's and ask them about the problem with the bypass trap
>door or is that just your
>opinion that they have not heard of the problem.? Is that a "shovel of
>crap" I am getting from you? :-)
>
>Jerry
>do not archive
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Speed Fairings & Pics |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Furey" <john@fureychrysler.com>
Thanks to those that got the pictures up. Here is the link to see them.
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/john@fureychrysler.com.08.13.2005/index.
html
I am ready to paint mine. Anyone who is interested in purchasing a set for
$30 please contact Vic Skodzinsky directly at vjs406@yahoo.com he is a
master craftsman skilled in metal, fiberglass and wood so if you have any
special needs he is the one to hire. He is also working on the fuel drains,
aileron hinge and rudder fairings however these are not available at this
time but if you want them let him know.
Best wishes
John Furey
RV6A - and F1 in the oven
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| Subject: | replacement Aeroflash position bulb |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Calvert" <rv6@cox.net>
I have the Aeroflash Nav/strobe/position light combo in each wingtip. The 040-0002
position bulb burnt out. Looks like these little jewels are about $25 each.
Has anyone researched what the part number for an equivilent GE replacement
bulb would be? Hopefully they are not as pricey.
Jerry Calvert
Edmond OK
RV6 N296JC
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Joe Davis" <jdavis213899@comcast.net>
I'm using part #39681. It's a one part primer, very easy to use.....no
mixing or reducing....and any unused primer can be returned to the original
can. It flows very easy from my HVLP gun. P/N 39681 is the gray primer,
however, you can get black or green.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Darrell Reiley" <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: SEM Primer
> --> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
>
> Which SEM part # did you decide on?
>
> Joe Davis <jdavis213899@comcast.net> wrote:--> RV-List message posted by:
> "Joe Davis"
>
> No intentions of starting a "primer" debate, but just wanted to share my
> experiences with a couple of primers.
>
> I'm a newbie builder, although I've been flying commercially for over 30
> years. I'm building an RV8....just started the empennage and spent MANY
> hours researching primers......if I should/should not prime, if
> prime.....what parts....all or just some. Long story short....I've decided
> to prime all internal parts. I narrowed the primers down to two, Tempo and
> SEM. After testing both products on a piece of aluminum, SEM came out on
> top....hands down. Don't get me wrong, Tempo self etching primer is
> good....very good, but SEM was more durable and had a nicer finish. Plus,
> after just 30 minutes dry time, I tried to scrape the finish with my
> finger nail.....not a scratch. SEM comes in either a rattle can or bulk
> quarts and gallons.
>
> I'm not associated with SEM in anyway, just wanted to pass along my
> experiences. I would appreciate comments from anyone using SEM primer. So
> far I've been very pleased with the product.
>
>
> Darrell Reiley
> Round Rock, Texas
>
> RV 7A "Reiley Rocket"
> N622DR (reserved)
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Sealer for canopy skirts |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bobby Hester <bhester@hopkinsville.net>
Ok, I think I'm ready to do the final assy. of the canopy and skirts. I
saw last week were someone asked about what to use to seal between the
canpoy and the skirts. Someone said they used Lexel frome a home store.
What is Lexel and what asle would it be on? Is this what I should use?
More comments wanted.
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Visit my RV7A site: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy - How many more times? ... I agree !! |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Robin Marks" <robin@mrmoisture.com>
>
> Along that line I recently spoke with a chap that just
> purchased
> a company that makes these 3/4 scale mustangs (very impressive
> bird). It
> was an internal employee purchase situation. He stated that they
> working
> closely with the FAA on providing much more complete assemblies
> such as
> entire wing/aileron/flap/fuel tank as one part, maybe even gear and
> lights. He believes that the FAA will soon be walking back the 51%
> rule
> primarily for safety. He further stated that that would take his kid
> down to between 600-750 hours from nearly 3,000 hours.
>
Is this the Titan T-51 Mustang? Their web site says the current kit
(i.e. without the more complete assemblies you mention) sells for
$50K. How many of us could have afforded to buy RVs if our kits
cost that much? I know I would never have started building at that
price.
The Titan T-51 has less performance than RVs too. The better
performing kit Mustangs were even more expensive, and both Thunder
Mustang and Stewart went out of business because not enough people
could afford to pay what they needed to charge for kits.
As far as the 51% rule goes, I wonder if the FAA is going the way
things have gone up here in Canada. In Canada builder assistance is
now legal, as long as the builder retains overall control (and
responsibility) for the work. Transport Canada was convinced that
the newer more complex aircraft needed a new approach. They decided
that it was safer to allow builders to purchase outside expert
assistance, rather than force him to muddle through it himself.
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
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--> RV-List message posted by: Bobby Hester <bhester@hopkinsville.net>
What's up with vansairforce.com :-(
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Visit my RV7A site: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/
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| Subject: | Canopy - How many more times? ... I agree !! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill Schlatterer" <billschlatterer@sbcglobal.net>
How about 51% rule?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Nic
Subject: RV-List: Canopy - How many more times? ... I agree !!
--> RV-List message posted by: "Nic" <Nic@skyhi.flyer.co.uk>
Why should anyone have to battle like this to make a simple component of the
Vans kit fit properly ??
My quick build 8, has been anything but quick build, with fairings to make
up, the canopy to cut and scribe, baggage door to bend, rollbar to mangle,
undercarriage to make fit ... the list is endless, and much of it is a
complete waste of time.
I can only assume that Vans customers put up with this based on the fact
that compared with the RV4 and the slow build kits we are much better
placed. The reality is that like many builders, I am a flyer and want to get
in the air and fly - fiddling with canopies and fairings and the horrendous
cowls is dead time in anybody's life.
We all know how John McD' feels. At the moment there seems to be an
"Emperor's new clothes" syndrome surrounding our kits, with very little
dissent. Wake up Vans please and make life easier for your customers - and
if needs be charge more for a better and more complete product.
Nic
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy - How many more times? ... I agree !! |
--> RV-List message posted by: GMC <gmcnutt@shaw.ca>
D.B wrote:
>I'm going to side with Jerry on this one. If you don't WANT to build an
>airplane then go BUY one. Van's kits are probably among the best kits
>out there, if not THE best, not to mention, one of the least expensive.
>If you don't want the challenges of building then, in my opinion, you
>shouldn't be trying to build one.
>
>
>
Yes I agree with -- wait, maybe I don't, --- a,a,a- actually Jerry and
Dave I am sitting on the fence on this.
Definitely the newer kit parts are greatly improved however the tail
cone of my 6A seemed far easier to assemble than that F712 section on
the 7A I am now building.
Wow the blueprints have improved dramatically, love those 3D views and
lots more info on new plans. Just the other day a buddy and I both made
our rudder stops, each following the plans exactly, then found the stops
fit the RV-9 -whoops 7A plan needs updating. Well no problem, get out
more 1/8 by 1.25 X 1.5 angle and make proper stops. But whats this! not
enough angle, fortunately still some left over from 6A days and already
primed, saved! Hmmm angle stock??
Getting older, forgot how I did things back in 99, and all this should
be easier now, check 7A instructions, not here!! 6A had 29 pages of
instructions for empennage, 7A has14 pages, guess that info is on the
plans somewhere, wonder where, dam I hate getting old!
New 7A wing spars are wonderful, I remember spending three days on my
knees with a four pound hammer pounding those 3/16 rivets into the 6A
spars, big improvement, - feeling wonderful until I got to those almost
impossible rivets on the 7A outboard forward wing ribs, say didn't the
bolts on the 6A go a little easier??
So yes there are great improvements, in parts and plans, however the
instructions have (in my opinion) deteriorated and many small
improvements could still be made to make building more enjoyable and cut
down on Vans help line expenses.
If you expect to mine the ore, make the AL and then build the plane that
is one thing but if you are expecting great improvements in all areas of
the new kits you may be disapointed.
Keep this thread open, but "do not archive" and I 'll come off the fence
when I finish the sliding canopy.
George in Langley BC
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| Subject: | Cowl Pins (Glenn Gordon) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" <dean.psiropoulos@verizon.net>
Glenn Gordon you still on this list? I ran across an old post from you. In
that post you mention you "came up with a pretty slick way of securing the
horizontal cowl pins". You didn't have any description but said to email
you directly and you would send pics. I would really like to see those
pics. Could you please send to me at this email address? Thanks.
If anyone else has good ideas for this let me know.
Dean Psiropoulos
RV-6A N197DM
Finally getting to the end!!
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