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1. 04:09 AM - Re: Canopy - How many more times? ... I agree !! (Richard Bibb)
2. 04:18 AM - Canopy - How many more times? ... I agree !! (Nic)
3. 05:29 AM - Re: VAF (LarryRobertHelming)
4. 05:49 AM - Re: Cowl Pins (Glenn Gordon) (Dale Ensing)
5. 05:50 AM - Re: VAF (Robert E. Lynch)
6. 06:15 AM - Re:Van's kits (Dale Ensing)
7. 06:17 AM - Re: VAF (Bob Collins)
8. 06:17 AM - Re: Best Portable GPS (Kevin Williams)
9. 06:25 AM - Re: VAF (Bobby Hester)
10. 06:49 AM - Re: Re:Van's kits (Bob Collins)
11. 07:11 AM - Re: VAF (Darrell Reiley)
12. 07:18 AM - Advice on Flight Plan from Seattle, WA to Mobile, AL (John Wiegenstein)
13. 08:59 AM - Re: Advice on Flight Plan from Seattle, WA to Mobile, AL (DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com)
14. 08:59 AM - Mixture cable too short? (Steve Struyk)
15. 10:01 AM - Re: Canopy - How many more times? ... I agree !! (Jerry Springer)
16. 10:36 AM - Re: Garmin GPS / Trio EZ-Pilot question (sportav8r@aol.com)
17. 10:43 AM - oil and oil temps (RVer273sb@aol.com)
18. 11:41 AM - Rivet Gun Problems (Joe Larson)
19. 11:45 AM - Re: SEM Primer (HCRV6@aol.com)
20. 11:52 AM - Re: Sealer for canopy skirts (HCRV6@aol.com)
21. 12:02 PM - Re: Rivet Gun Problems (Robert E. Lynch)
22. 12:05 PM - Re: Rivet Gun Problems (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
23. 12:07 PM - Re: Advice on Flight Plan from Seattle, WA to Mobile, AL (HCRV6@aol.com)
24. 12:15 PM - Re: Advice on Flight Plan from Seattle, WA to Mobile, AL (DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com)
25. 12:54 PM - Re: Canopy - How many more times? ... I agree !! (Bob Collins)
26. 01:49 PM - Re: Canopy - How many more times? ... I agree !! (Mickey Coggins)
27. 01:59 PM - Re:Rivet Gun Problems (Oldsfolks@aol.com)
28. 03:54 PM - Re: Canopy - How many more times? ... I agree !! (Bob Collins)
29. 03:54 PM - Re: Best Portable GPS ()
30. 04:08 PM - Re: Rivet Gun Problems (Bill Schlatterer)
31. 06:06 PM - HS and Wing stands (Richard Leach)
32. 06:31 PM - Re: Re: Best Portable GPS (Jeff Dowling)
33. 06:41 PM - Re: HS and Wing stands (Tim Olson)
34. 08:09 PM - Aileron pushrod and wing mounting (Jeff Orear)
35. 08:44 PM - Re: Advice on Flight Plan from Seattle, WA to (Ron Lee)
36. 08:58 PM - Re: Re: Best Portable GPS (Tim Bryan)
37. 09:00 PM - Re: Aileron pushrod and wing mounting (Tim Bryan)
38. 09:39 PM - Re: Aileron pushrod and wing mounting (JOHN STARN)
39. 09:43 PM - Re: Canopy - How many more times? ... I agree !! (JTAnon@aol.com)
40. 09:47 PM - Re: [SoCAL-RVlist] Congrats Walter (Walter Tondu)
41. 10:12 PM - Canopy - How many more times? (Ron Lee)
42. 10:13 PM - Re: Canopy - How many more times? ... I agree !! (JTAnon@aol.com)
43. 10:35 PM - Re: Aileron pushrod and wing mounting (mark phipps)
44. 10:46 PM - Re: Canopy - How many more times? ... I agree !! (mark phipps)
45. 11:00 PM - Canopy - Enough Already (JTAnon@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy - How many more times? ... I agree !! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard Bibb" <rebibb@comcast.net>
One reason the canopies are so hard to fit is that they are not molded but
are blown - in other words they each vary in size somewhat. The benefit of
this approach is the optical prurity achieved at a reasonable price of
production. I agree wholeheartedly that if you want replaceable matched
parts go buy a production plane. But be prepared for paying something like
$600 for something as generic as a throttle cable (I know because I own a
Mooney and had to replace one recently).
The experimental category is not so we can bypass the certification rules
but for "education and recreation". I don't see the FAA changing that
because there is no good way to do that and not make the certifcation rules
a joke. There is not a single task in building an RV that a person cannot
master if they are patient and seek out help in the areas they are not
comfortable. If you just want to fly then buy a completed aircraft -
period. A kit is a kit and 49% of building an airplane is a heck of a lot
of work that needs to be done right - not perfect but right. If you don't
have the time, patience, and at times somewhat obsessive desire to complete
it do yourself a favor and don't start one. The frustration level of
bulding one of these things is high at times even if you like doing it - I
can't imagine doing it if I didn't really enjoy the satisfaction that comes
from learning how to do it myself.
I am rebuilding my RV-4 and have been amazed at how much the parts and kits
have improved even on a model that has not enjoy the complete advancments
the later models enjoy. My friend's RV-8 appears even more refined. One
thing I have learned in building my RV is that in almost 100% of the cases
where I get in a hurry I end up taking more time to complete the task due to
mistakes of workmanship I'm just not happy with later. Slow down and speed
up your build time. You might even come to enjoy it more.
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| Subject: | Canopy - How many more times? ... I agree !! |
0.37 PLING_QUERY Subject has exclamation mark and question mark
--> RV-List message posted by: "Nic" <Nic@skyhi.flyer.co.uk>
Jerry S's comments were amusing and stock !
But seriously, if we all had to rate the components of our QB kits on a 1-10
scale, as and when we used them, the results would make interesting if not
wholly unexpected reading. Some components would rate poorly and it is these
that I would like to see improved for future builders. ( A customer
satisfaction questionnaire to be returned at the end of the build ).
Stormy has hit this rivet on the head !
Thousands of builders spend hours making corrections to minor parts, whether
it is splitting the wing tips to straighten and rebond them, making the
canopy skirt fit or countless other small but mind-numbing tasks. Clearly
better design and fabrication by Van's could resolve these issues.
I don't think it is whining to ask for improvements. The Van's aircraft is
hardly a "made in the USA" product anymore, even the Van's coffee mugs have
"made in China" written on them, and if Van's wants to stay a world beater
then it needs to improve where possible,
Surely Jerry can see the irony of a US design which is being built elsewhere
in the world and then takes thousands of US man-hours to put right :)
As for the 51% ruling, this issue should not be used as an excuse for badly
made and fitting parts. By my calculations a hundred hours saved on each kit
which resolved the current problems, would save enough man hours for a
return flight to Saturn - during which time of course there would be plenty
of opportunity for sanding and filling and ...... :)
Nic
"........I'm proud like a moron of all the holes I measured and drilled on
my
slo-bild 6A kit ten years ago, but I agree there's no sense in Van
producing ill-fitting parts on his mass-production CNC tooling and
welding jigs if he can do better. Extra cost should be negligible, but
the time saved by thousands of builders in the field will be
exponentially more than what Van invests to fix any QC issues with his
kits. That minor cost to upgrade tooling becomes miniscule when spread
over thousands of kits later sold. Think about it.
I may have to replace a gear leg or a canopy one day, and the thought
that these are not truly interchangeable parts on my airplane gives me
no comfort and joy. Van could do better, and I hope he's not content to
sit on his laurels, deserved though they are.
-Stormy "
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--> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
What do you mean. Works for me. do not archive.
Indiana Larry, RV7 Tip Up It Flies
Teamwork: " A lot of people doing exactly what I say."
(Marketing exec., Citrix Corp.)
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> --> RV-List message posted by: Bobby Hester <bhester@hopkinsville.net>
>
> What's up with vansairforce.com :-(
>
> --
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> Surfing the web in Hopkinsville, KY
> Visit my RV7A site: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/
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| Subject: | Re: Cowl Pins (Glenn Gordon) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
Dean,
I doubt if Glen Gordon is still on the list. He sold his 6 and I was told by
a mutual friend at OSH that he was not flying currently.
If I remember correctly he used a single SS screw into a plate nut to
capture a bent short leg ,about 1/2 inch,of the pin. I got this idea from
somebody up there and I think it was Glen.
Dale Ensing
"Glenn Gordon you still on this list? I ran across an old post from you.
In
that post you mention you "came up with a pretty slick way of securing the
horizontal cowl pins".
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Robert E. Lynch" <rv6lynch@earthlink.net>
try vansairforce.net
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
I don't think it is whining to ask for improvements.
Van's aircraft is hardly a "made in the USA" product anymore, and if Van's
wants to stay a world beater
then it needs to improve where possible.
Believe it or not Van's kits have been improved considerably over the years.
When I do Tech Councilor visits today I am continually impressed by how much
better today's kits are vs. mine purchased in the '90s.
That is not to say there is still not room for improvements.
However, when I chose to build a Van's kit, the overall cost was a
significant factor, along with the performance of the airplane, in my
decision. Some builders ask why Van's doesn't do many the things they could
do. It is not just about the 51% rule. The more the kit manufacture does the
more you will pay for the kit. The home builder has choices to a degree. Do
I do this myself or pay somebody to do it for me?
Dale Ensing
do not achieve
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
The Forums are on vansairforce.com. It appeared the server was down Saturday
night.
Looks like they've been recycled and appear to be working properly asa of
Sunday.
Bob
St. Paul
Do not archive
--> RV-List message posted by: "Robert E. Lynch"
--> <rv6lynch@earthlink.net>
try vansairforce.net
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| Subject: | Re: Best Portable GPS |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kevin Williams" <kevinsky18@hotmail.com>
Ok I'm now seriously looking at the Garmin 296. However, I have a few
questions regarding the detail of the maps and terrain avoidance.
How accurate is the mapping and specifically the terrain avoidance in
Canada?
Have they released an obstical database for Canada yet?
Any other Canadian use issues I should be aware of?
Also what additional hardware would I need to mount an external GPS antena?
Kev
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--> RV-List message posted by: Bobby Hester <bhester@hopkinsville.net>
Robert E. Lynch wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Robert E. Lynch" <rv6lynch@earthlink.net>
>
>try vansairforce.net
>
>
>
Yea, that's what I was trying typed question wrong. The site was down
last night. Back up now.
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Visit my RV7A site: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
So far I've invested 1,139 actual manhours in the project. I've given up
almost several year's worth of evenings, my children have grown while I've
been pounding rivets, I've traded time with them and my wife. I've spent
about $23,000-$30,000 and I haven't even ordered an engine or avionics yet.
I've forced the cars out of the garage, and for much of the project I paid
for it by getting up at 3 in the morning, 7 days a week, 52 weeks a year and
thrown newspapers on a person's doorstep for 8.5 cents. That's in rain and
snow too.
I knew exactly -- well, OK, not exactly -- what I was getting into when I
got into homebuilding. And you know what? I'm loving it and it scares me
that at the moment, I love building more than going down to the FBO, renting
a Warrior and going flying.
Allt hat said, even though I haven't gotten to the canopy yet and that whole
scene, when I do...I'm thinking that I've more than EARNED the right to
complain about a part.
I suspect others have too. You don't have to drink the Kool Aid to proive
yourself a REAL RV builder. (g)
Bob
St. Paul
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dale Ensing
Subject: RV-List: Re:Van's kits
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
I don't think it is whining to ask for improvements.
Van's aircraft is hardly a "made in the USA" product anymore, and if Van's
wants to stay a world beater then it needs to improve where possible.
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--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
I don't know about the .com but the .net was down for hours last night...
Darrell
Bobby Hester <bhester@hopkinsville.net> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: Bobby Hester
What's up with vansairforce.com :-(
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Visit my RV7A site: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/
Darrell Reiley
Round Rock, Texas
RV 7A "Reiley Rocket"
N622DR (reserved)
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| Subject: | Advice on Flight Plan from Seattle, WA to Mobile, AL |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Wiegenstein" <johnw@hellerwiegenstein.com>
Apologies in advance if this is a little off topic, but . . . the RV-6
and I have a VFR trip planned for mid-October, from Seattle to Dauphin
Island, AL (just outside Mobile) for a family reunion. I'm familiar
with the routing from Seattle over the Rockies into Montana, and from
there it looks like its easy to plan a fairly straight shot down to the
Mobile area. But since looks can be deceiving, I would appreciate
off-list advice from anyone with tips on weather to be expected, good
airports to stop at, things to look out for, etc. between Montana and
Mobile. I am planning on taking 3 days each way, though one could
apparently do it in 2 long (6+ hr.) days. TIA - do not archive
John Wiegenstein
Hansville, WA
RV-6 N727JW - 70 hrs
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| Subject: | Re: Advice on Flight Plan from Seattle, WA to Mobile, AL |
--> RV-List message posted by: DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com
Hi John. Looks like u are planning a fun time. Can't help u with routing but
in case u are not aware, AIRNAV.COM will be a BIG help on fuel prices. I use
it for the RV and the Corp. Citation. A couple of places that try to maintain
competitive fuel prices in our part of the country are MEI, 23M & 2R5. Check
them out. They may be out of your way depending on the route. If u get time
I would appreciate any routing & advice u could share with me. Some of us are
planning a trip to Van's homecoming in 2006. We are based in Alabama.
Would like to go out the southern route and return the northern route. Make lots
of fun stops out and back. If u run across and good places on your trip please
pass them on. Hope u have a safe, fun flight. Take care.
Regards,
Doug Preston
RV7 N731RV
BHM
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| Subject: | Mixture cable too short? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Struyk" <rv8striker@hotmail.com>
I started the engine yesterday for the first time. Big event, and it went pretty
well. I knew before the start that my mixture arm was not quite making it to
the idle cutoff stop but that was a compromise I had to make in order to reach
the full rich stop. I would say the idle stop was short by about 1/8 inch, just
enough to cause the engine to continue to run with the mixture lever off.
Prior to the start, and months ago while rigging the control cables I spent hours
trying to adjust the cable/rod ends to achieve full travel to both stops but
in the end had to compromise. It appears that the cable, or maybe the quadrant,
does not have enough travel to accomplish both.
I've been in the archives and have seen similar problems but no clues as to the
fix. My thoughts are to perhaps move the attach point up on the mixture lever
(Van's deluxe quadrant, and Cable too), thus providing more travel for any given
lever movement and hopefully attain the little extra needed to hit both stops.
I realize this fix will only work if the quadrant is the problem. But what
if it's the cable that does not have the necessary travel?
Your thoughts, comments, and suggestions please.
Steve Struyk
RV-8, N842S
St. Charles, MO
90% done....90% to go!
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy - How many more times? ... I agree !! |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@comcast.net>
Nic wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Nic" <Nic@skyhi.flyer.co.uk>
>
>Jerry S's comments were amusing and stock !
>
>
>
"Amusing and stock" Must be a language thing?
>But seriously, if we all had to rate the components of our QB kits on a 1-10
>scale, as and when we used them, the results would make interesting if not
>wholly unexpected reading.
>
I think you would be surprised at how high they rated specially by those
that had built early slow build kits.
> Some components would rate poorly and it is these
>that I would like to see improved for future builders. ( A customer
>satisfaction questionnaire to be returned at the end of the build ).
>
>Stormy has hit this rivet on the head !
>
>Thousands of builders spend hours making corrections to minor parts, whether
>it is splitting the wing tips to straighten and rebond them, making the
>canopy skirt fit or countless other small but mind-numbing tasks. Clearly
>better design and fabrication by Van's could resolve these issues.
>
>I don't think it is whining to ask for improvements. The Van's aircraft is
>hardly a "made in the USA" product anymore, even the Van's coffee mugs have
>"made in China" written on them, and if Van's wants to stay a world beater
>then it needs to improve where possible,
>
>
>
That is pretty funny, If he wants to stay a world leader he keeps doing
just what he is doing that has made
him a world leader in the homebuilt kit market.
>Surely Jerry can see the irony of a US design which is being built elsewhere
>in the world and then takes thousands of US man-hours to put right :)
>
>
>
I guess I grew up to be a doer not a whiner. I understand it is a
homebuilt aircraft, I built mine for the shear
joy of learning how to build an aircraft and then flying my creation.
>As for the 51% ruling, this issue should not be used as an excuse for badly
>made and fitting parts. By my calculations a hundred hours saved on each kit
>which resolved the current problems, would save enough man hours for a
>return flight to Saturn - during which time of course there would be plenty
>of opportunity for sanding and filling and ...... :)
>
>Nic
>
>
>
Maybe you should spend more time building and not so much time doing
silly calculations. :-)
Everyone is entitled to their opinions and these are mine and
apparently those of the many
emails I have received. Is there complaints, of course there is but over
all you get a bargain
buying and building a Van's RV kit. There is not a better one in the
world for an affordable
price that has the performance an RV does.
Jerry
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin GPS / Trio EZ-Pilot question |
--> RV-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
Not at all, Jerry. This is technical info, straight from the source, of interest
to more than just me. If anyone objects, I'll take the heat :-)
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry Hansen <jerry-hansen@cox.net>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Garmin GPS / Trio EZ-Pilot question
I don?t mind if you post it. I just don?t like to butt in to a non-commercial
list with comments that can seem self serving?.
Best regards,
Jerry
From: sportav8r@aol.com [mailto:sportav8r@aol.com]
Subject: Re: RV-List: Garmin GPS / Trio EZ-Pilot question
Thanks, Jerry. That does make me feel much better. Do you mind if I pass your
reply on to the list, for general enlightenment?
-Bill Boyd / "Stormy"
-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry Hansen <jerry@trioavionics.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Garmin GPS / Trio EZ-Pilot question
(Private reply)
Stormy, you will seldom notice the difference between a once-per-second
update rate and a once-every-two-second update rate. On a normal
multi-waypoint flight, the only place you "might" be able to tell a
difference is at the waypoint. If you assume that you get a GPS update JUST
before you arrive at the waypoint, and then overfly it, the GPS wouldn't
tell the plane that you had arrived for two seconds, instead of one second.
Therefore, you would get a slightly longer overshoot before the plane starts
turning toward the next waypoint.
Other than that, I doubt you'll see much difference.
Best Regards,
Jerry Hansen
Trio Avionics
http://www.trioavionics.com
Phone - 619-448-4619
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of sportav8r@aol.com
Subject: RV-List: Garmin GPS / Trio EZ-Pilot question
--> RV-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
Stormy's hunting a newer GPS to drive his Trio A/P installation, and
wondering two things about NMEA outputs:
The GPSmap 396 online owner's manual says the unit can be programmed for
"fast" one-second output intervals; the 296's manual does not mention this
particualr capability. Any 296 users out there know if your unit will run
at the one-second output rate, or is 2 seconds all she'll do?
Secondly, is there that much of a drawback to having two-second GPS data
updates as far as tracking the flight plan with the EZ-Pilot? I know that
one second updates are preferred (and standard for panel-mount GPS's), but
wondering how much practical difference has been noticed in the air.
If this is a real issue, I might have to spring for the 396, which is truly
more $$$ than I want to spend right now; if not, I'd be happy with the 296.
Currently using an Airmap 500- nice GPS, but too tiny for my presbyopic eyes
since I hit the big 4-9 :-)
Thanks for the input, gang.
-Stormy
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| Subject: | oil and oil temps |
--> RV-List message posted by: RVer273sb@aol.com
List members,
Passing on this info on aeroshell 15/50 oil.
There is no definitive answer to your question as different engines will put
different thermal stress on the oil. For example, a turbocharged engine will
stress the oil more than a non-turbo engine, purely because the turbine
bearing chamber runs at such a high temperature. Whilst not all of the oil supply
is passed through this bearing, the temperatures within it are much higher
than many other parts of the engine and so can stress the oil. Of course by the
time the oil has drained to the sump and cooled, the bulk oil temperature
that you are measuring on the gauge on the input oil way may not be any
different to a non-turbo engine.
This said, a semi-synthetic oil will perform better in high temperature
applications than pure mineral formulations.
Semi Synthetic oils have much better thermal stability and so are able to
withstand higher oil temperatures than mineral oils. They also oxidise at a
much slower rate, so do not degrade as quickly i.e. they are a better lubricant
for longer, especially in applications where there is higher than normal heat
exposure. Additionally, the higher specific heat capacity of synthetic oils
means that synthetic-based oils such as AeroShell Oil W 15W-50 will also run
at a lower oil temperature than mineral-based formulations - typically we see
a reduction in oil temp of about 10 deg F when changing to AeroShell Oil W
15W-50.
As long as you understand that there are some caveats on the data (as the
information is engine-specific to some degree) I do have some data that may go
some way to answer your question.
Some time ago we conducted some testing in a (non turbo) bench test engine
known as an L-38 engine test. This was done at elevated max oil temperature:
143 deg C (290 deg F). In order to make this more applicable to what you may
be familiar with, our own data has shown that the difference between the max
oil temperature and engine gauge temp is about 50 deg F in a non-turbo
engine, so this max bulk oil temp equates to a gauge temp of around 240 deg F.
In this chart we measure oxidation in the oil indirectly my looking at the
oil's acid content; organic acids are a by-product of oxidation and measuring
the Total Acid Number is the usual way of quantifying oxidation in an oil.
You can see that all of the oils tested show few signs of oxidation in the
initial stages of this test. This is a sign that the anti-oxidant additives are
working within the oils. As soon as the anti-oxidant package is depleted, you
can see the base oil oxidation profile. Interestingly the mineral-based
multigrades (20W-50 and 25W-60) oxidise at a rapid rate as they use mineral base
oils that are quite light; you will notice that once the anti-oxidant has run
out in the AeroShell Oil W100, the heavier base oil oxidises at a slower
rate. The semi-synthetic AeroShell Oil W 15W-50 dos not start to oxidise until
after the 40 hour point.
This gives you indication that, in a normally aspirated engine, AeroShell
Oil W 15W-50 is performing adequately at a gauge temperature of 240 deg F.
However my advice would be that, if operating at these elevated temperatures,
it
would be wise to change the oil out at 25 hour intervals rather than 50. By
doing this we would ensure that we are operating within the capabilities of
the oil's anti-oxidant package and by changing to new oil you are reducing the
stress on the base oils.
I hope that this goes some way to answering your question, but if you need
anything further then please do not hesitate to contact me again direct.
Best regards
Rob Midgley
Global Technical Manager, General Aviation
Tel: +44 (0)161 499 8743 Fax: 4144 Other Tel: +44 (0)7836 604935 Mobile
Email: robert.midgley@shell.com
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| Subject: | Rivet Gun Problems |
--> RV-List message posted by: Joe Larson <jpl@showpage.org>
I have a 2x rivet gun that's sat unused for several years. Now it's
not working very well. If I press hard against the rivet, it won't
fire, although air is moving through it. If I back off the pressure
a bit before pulling the trigger, it fires, but not very well, and
I'd have rivets getting pushed out of their holes by the bucking bar
by releasing the pressure on the rivet.
I've run some oil through it, although maybe I need to run a lot more
through (perhaps practically drenching it) or maybe some other fluid?
I don't really know how these things work on the inside. I'm not
sure how to take it apart, and don't want to break it through
incorrect disassembly.
Any suggestions?
-Joe
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--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
In a message dated 8/13/05 4:52:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
jdavis213899@comcast.net writes:
> <<I would appreciate comments from anyone using SEM primer. So far I've
> been very pleased with the product.>>
I used Veri Prime (sp?) on my wings and empennage, then switched to SEM
primer in the rattle cans when I built the fuselage of my slooow build -6. I have
found that there is no difference as far a durability. FWIW, both are readily
removed with alcohol.
Harry Crosby
RV-6 N16CX, 115 hours
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| Subject: | Re: Sealer for canopy skirts |
--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
In a message dated 8/13/05 8:08:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
bhester@hopkinsville.net writes:
> What is Lexel and what asle would it be on
Lexel is a clear sealant adhesive that does not attack plexi like most common
silicone adhesives seem to do. The stores that carry it usually seem to
stock it with the silicones and other caulking materials. I used it and it worked
fine.
Harry Crosby
RV-6 N16CX, 115 hours
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| Subject: | Re: Rivet Gun Problems |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Robert E. Lynch" <rv6lynch@earthlink.net>
Joe
Unplug it, load it with WD-40 orlacquer thinner and let it set for 30 min.
Plug it in and hold it on something and pull the trigger. If tha don't work,
the barrel un-screws, there is only two partsin there. a plungger and a
flutter disc. you can not hurt it by taking it apart. I've had hundreds
apart. Use to be a tool dealer.
Bob
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| Subject: | Rivet Gun Problems |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
Sounds like it may have rusted up a bit on the inside and is now sticking. Probably
will need a rebuild.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Wing Ribs
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Joe Larson
Subject: RV-List: Rivet Gun Problems
--> RV-List message posted by: Joe Larson <jpl@showpage.org>
I have a 2x rivet gun that's sat unused for several years. Now it's not working
very well. If I press hard against the rivet, it won't fire, although air is
moving through it. If I back off the pressure a bit before pulling the trigger,
it fires, but not very well, and I'd have rivets getting pushed out of their
holes by the bucking bar by releasing the pressure on the rivet.
I've run some oil through it, although maybe I need to run a lot more through (perhaps
practically drenching it) or maybe some other fluid?
I don't really know how these things work on the inside. I'm not sure how to take
it apart, and don't want to break it through incorrect disassembly.
Any suggestions?
-Joe
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| Subject: | Re: Advice on Flight Plan from Seattle, WA to Mobile, AL |
--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
In a message dated 8/14/05 9:00:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com writes:
> If u get time would appreciate any routing & advice u could share with me.
> Some of us are planning a trip to Van's homecoming in 2006. We are based in
> Alabama.
>
Okay John, this sound like your cue to share the info you gather with the
list. As I just told you in my offline response, I'm planning a west to east
trip similar to yours next year.
Harry Crosby
RV-6 N16CX, 115 hours
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| Subject: | Re: Advice on Flight Plan from Seattle, WA to Mobile, AL |
--> RV-List message posted by: DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com
I would love to see feedback from the group regarding fun places & friendly
stops for fuel, food & overnights around the country. We could sure be a big
help to each other.
Regards,
Doug Preston
RV7 N731RV
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| Subject: | Canopy - How many more times? ... I agree !! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
Just checking. Are all the builders currently in the "I'm a REAL builder"
debate (hey it's a joke), QB kit builders are....ummm... REAL builders?
(that's a joke too).
Time to lighten it up.
Do not archive.
B
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy - How many more times? ... I agree !! |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
> Just checking. Are all the builders currently in the "I'm a REAL builder"
> debate (hey it's a joke), QB kit builders are....ummm... REAL builders?
> (that's a joke too).
>
> Time to lighten it up.
I'm the first to admit I'm a "slacker builder". I've got a QB,
and if the canopy skirt fit without a lot of work, and the
kit came with perfect wheel pant fairings, and intersection
fairings, I would not mind at all.
Anyway, we all know "real builders" don't use those fiberglass
parts, they use their English wheel to form them out of
aluminum sheet. :-)
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 finishing
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| Subject: | Re:Rivet Gun Problems |
--> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
Get a quart of "Marvel Mystery Oil" from Wal-Mart. Flood it well and let it
soak overnight. Then use line pressure when you try it again. I always MMO
in my air tools. I put at least a teaspoon full in the rivet gun often and
if unused for awhile do that .
Bob Olds RV-4 , N1191X
A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor
Charleston,Arkansas
Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers
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| Subject: | Canopy - How many more times? ... I agree !! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
//Anyway, we all know "real builders" don't use those fiberglass parts, they
use their English wheel to form them out of aluminum sheet. :-)
I was making the spacers for the 711 bulkheads today (flipped the canoe
yesterday! Whoo hoo!). First I chewed the .125 to get it into approximate
shape (real builders don't use band saws), then I filed it with a, get this,
file ...to get closer to perfect..
And finally to deburr and smooth things, I used some quartz stone I mined
myself and polished it smooth.
Really.
B
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| Subject: | Re: Best Portable GPS |
--> RV-List message posted by: <gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com>
Best portable GPS?
Can't tell you with that info, but if cost is no object the new Garmin 396 is top of current top of the heap. http://www.garmin.com/products/gpsmap396/
Garmin is the recognized leader in portable GPS and has many models to choose from:
http://www.garmin.com/aviation/products.html#portable
Other dedicated GPS that are good (to name a few):
http://www.lowrance.com/Aviation/default.asp
http://www.avmapnavigation.com/
(If you are mounting it on a yoke (like on a Cessna) Vs. a more permanent panel
installation like in an experimental, the big displays will get in your way more
than help. You don't need a real large screen to get decent utility out of
the unit.
The other TYPE of GPS are the PDA (iPaq) based GPS systems Vs. the dedicated type
GPS systems above. The PDA based units have pros and cons, I have used both
dedicated (like Garmin) and the PDA based GPS, I prefer the dedicated units for
ease of use.
Anywheremap is the king of this hill of the PDA (one was for sale used real cheap on the VansAirforce classifieds for the cost of just a PDA. Why? I don't know but some don't care for the touch screen and smaller size screen.) http://www.controlvision.com/
Other PDA based aviation GPS software makers are:
http://www.airgator.com/
http://www.pcavionics.com/custserv/index.jsp
http://www.navzilla.com/
http://www.pocketfms.com/
If you don't have a PDA now or have used one before I would not suggest going this
route. However the long term ownership of a PDA based system might me cheaper
because of update cost. The nice thing about the updates (which they charge
for but tends to be cheaper than Garmin) is some vendors provide daily update
of special use airspace and Temp Flt Restrictions (TFR) free to down from the
web. However for VFR I only updated my Garmin GPS every year or so and used
paper to back it up (Air Chart Systems). As far as TRF the info is free on the
web anyway to check before flight, which is a pretty obvious thing to do.
Good Luck.
Whether a $500 GPS or a $3000 portable GPS they all do basically the same important
functions. The high end features, terrain and weather are in the upper priced
units and Garmin 396 would be my choice if money was no limit. If I did not
care for weather I would look at the other barnds which tend to be less expensive
and still have great features. Also remember to get weather there is a
monthly subscription like satellite radio or TV. In fact the weather is provided
by XM radio. This could get expensive if you are not going to use it.
George
Kevin Williams wrote:
>
>I would like feedback on what portable GPS you feel is the best out there as
>of today or very soon to be released? I'm looking at buying a good one to go
>along with a plane purchase.
>
>Im looking for most of the bells and whistles. Color contoured map, and a
>simulated HSI (horizontal situational indicator) would be great.
>
>Kevin
>
>>Match: #13 Message: #132655
>>Date: Aug 13, 2005
>>From: Hal Rozema <hartist1@cox.net>
>>Subject: Re: Best Portable GPS
>>
>>I'm have both their ANYWHERE MAP http://www.controlvision.com/ and
>>ATTITUDE INDICATOR (HSI) http://www.anywheremap.com/pages/Section_AI.aspx
>>Zenith CH701 VSTOL w/Jabiru 3300
>>Hal Rozema
>>see ThePlaneFolks.Net click on Construction Gallery
>>Phoenix, AZ
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| Subject: | Rivet Gun Problems |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill Schlatterer" <billschlatterer@sbcglobal.net>
If you haven't been running oil through it on a regular basis, it's probably
just blowing air past the seals. Before you disassemble, I would run a lot
of oil through it. Care and feeding,....usually 4-5 drops of Marvel every
time you use it is fine. I don't use an oiler because I don't want oil
contaminating my air lines.
Bill S
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Joe Larson
Subject: RV-List: Rivet Gun Problems
--> RV-List message posted by: Joe Larson <jpl@showpage.org>
I have a 2x rivet gun that's sat unused for several years. Now it's
not working very well. If I press hard against the rivet, it won't
fire, although air is moving through it. If I back off the pressure
a bit before pulling the trigger, it fires, but not very well, and
I'd have rivets getting pushed out of their holes by the bucking bar
by releasing the pressure on the rivet.
I've run some oil through it, although maybe I need to run a lot more
through (perhaps practically drenching it) or maybe some other fluid?
I don't really know how these things work on the inside. I'm not
sure how to take it apart, and don't want to break it through
incorrect disassembly.
Any suggestions?
-Joe
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| Subject: | HS and Wing stands |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard Leach" <papadaddyo@verizon.net>
Does anyone have plans or dimensions of stands for holding the
horizontal stab and the wings for the -10?
Rick Leach
40397
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| Subject: | Re: Best Portable GPS |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
Check out the flight cheetah. It doesnt look as nice as the garmin but I
think it has more to offer...
Shemp/Jeff Dowling
RV-6A, N915JD
235 hours
Chicago/Louisville
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From: <gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com>
Subject: RV-List: Re: Best Portable GPS
> --> RV-List message posted by: <gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com>
>
> Best portable GPS?
>
> Can't tell you with that info, but if cost is no object the new Garmin 396
> is top of current top of the heap.
> http://www.garmin.com/products/gpsmap396/
>
>
> Garmin is the recognized leader in portable GPS and has many models to
> choose from:
> http://www.garmin.com/aviation/products.html#portable
>
>
> Other dedicated GPS that are good (to name a few):
> http://www.lowrance.com/Aviation/default.asp
> http://www.avmapnavigation.com/
>
> (If you are mounting it on a yoke (like on a Cessna) Vs. a more permanent
> panel installation like in an experimental, the big displays will get in
> your way more than help. You don't need a real large screen to get decent
> utility out of the unit.
>
>
> The other TYPE of GPS are the PDA (iPaq) based GPS systems Vs. the
> dedicated type GPS systems above. The PDA based units have pros and cons,
> I have used both dedicated (like Garmin) and the PDA based GPS, I prefer
> the dedicated units for ease of use.
>
> Anywheremap is the king of this hill of the PDA (one was for sale used
> real cheap on the VansAirforce classifieds for the cost of just a PDA.
> Why? I don't know but some don't care for the touch screen and smaller
> size screen.) http://www.controlvision.com/
>
> Other PDA based aviation GPS software makers are:
> http://www.airgator.com/
> http://www.pcavionics.com/custserv/index.jsp
> http://www.navzilla.com/
> http://www.pocketfms.com/
>
> If you don't have a PDA now or have used one before I would not suggest
> going this route. However the long term ownership of a PDA based system
> might me cheaper because of update cost. The nice thing about the updates
> (which they charge for but tends to be cheaper than Garmin) is some
> vendors provide daily update of special use airspace and Temp Flt
> Restrictions (TFR) free to down from the web. However for VFR I only
> updated my Garmin GPS every year or so and used paper to back it up (Air
> Chart Systems). As far as TRF the info is free on the web anyway to check
> before flight, which is a pretty obvious thing to do.
>
>
> Good Luck.
>
> Whether a $500 GPS or a $3000 portable GPS they all do basically the same
> important functions. The high end features, terrain and weather are in the
> upper priced units and Garmin 396 would be my choice if money was no
> limit. If I did not care for weather I would look at the other barnds
> which tend to be less expensive and still have great features. Also
> remember to get weather there is a monthly subscription like satellite
> radio or TV. In fact the weather is provided by XM radio. This could get
> expensive if you are not going to use it.
>
> George
>
>
> Kevin Williams wrote:
>>
>>I would like feedback on what portable GPS you feel is the best out there
>>as
>>of today or very soon to be released? I'm looking at buying a good one to
>>go
>>along with a plane purchase.
>>
>>Im looking for most of the bells and whistles. Color contoured map, and a
>>simulated HSI (horizontal situational indicator) would be great.
>>
>>Kevin
>>
>>>Match: #13 Message: #132655
>>>Date: Aug 13, 2005
>>>From: Hal Rozema <hartist1@cox.net>
>>>Subject: Re: Best Portable GPS
>>>
>>>I'm have both their ANYWHERE MAP http://www.controlvision.com/ and
>>>ATTITUDE INDICATOR (HSI) http://www.anywheremap.com/pages/Section_AI.aspx
>>>Zenith CH701 VSTOL w/Jabiru 3300
>>>Hal Rozema
>>>see ThePlaneFolks.Net click on Construction Gallery
>>>Phoenix, AZ
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: HS and Wing stands |
--> RV-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Hi Rick,
This might not be what you want, since it doesn't take care of
the HS, but it might work well for the wings for you:
http://www.myrv10.com/tips/wingtips.html
See the bottom tip from Larry Rosen.
Also, your question might be best addressed on the RV10-List
instead of the generic RV-List... I see you sent this to
owner-rv10-list-server, but it didn't make it to the
RV10-List proper. Might want to verifiy your address book.
Tim
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
Current project: Doors/Windows
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Richard Leach wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Richard Leach" <papadaddyo@verizon.net>
>
> Does anyone have plans or dimensions of stands for holding the
> horizontal stab and the wings for the -10?
>
> Rick Leach
> 40397
>
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| Subject: | Aileron pushrod and wing mounting |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Orear" <jorear@new.rr.com>
List:
Getting real close to getting my wings on for the last time. Regarding the aileron
pushrod......From control column to the bellcrank. Is it necessary to have
that installed in the wing when you mount the wings? My plan has been to get
the wings mounted and then make up my pushrods and fish them through the wing
via the lightening holes. I figure that once I get them to the bellcrank,
I can finish getting them into the fuselage by grabbing them at the aileron bellcrank
access.
Any suggestions?
Am I slow at getting this thing done, or what!!?
Regards,
Jeff Orear
RV6A N782P (reserved)
Mounting wings real soon
Peshtigo, WI
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| Subject: | Re: Advice on Flight Plan from Seattle, WA to |
Mobile, AL
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net> Mobile, AL
Devil's Tower Wyoming
Mount Rushmore SD
Leadville CO (Highest airport in US)
Liberal Air Museum KS (KLBL)
Get O2 and fly high (15,500 or higher)
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| Subject: | Re: Best Portable GPS |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" <flyrv6@bryantechnology.com>
Dont forget flight soft and flight soft express. Runs on the ipaq as well.
I have been using the flight planning software for several years and like it
alot. Now they offer the express for the pda for the same yearly fee. 108
00.
http://www.rmstek.com
Tim
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From: Jeff Dowling
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Best Portable GPS
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
Check out the flight cheetah. It doesnt look as nice as the garmin but I
think it has more to offer...
Shemp/Jeff Dowling
RV-6A, N915JD
235 hours
Chicago/Louisville
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From: <gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com>
Subject: RV-List: Re: Best Portable GPS
> --> RV-List message posted by: <gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com>
>
> Best portable GPS?
>
> Can't tell you with that info, but if cost is no object the new Garmin 396
> is top of current top of the heap.
> http://www.garmin.com/products/gpsmap396/
>
>
> Garmin is the recognized leader in portable GPS and has many models to
> choose from:
> http://www.garmin.com/aviation/products.html#portable
>
>
> Other dedicated GPS that are good (to name a few):
> http://www.lowrance.com/Aviation/default.asp
> http://www.avmapnavigation.com/
>
> (If you are mounting it on a yoke (like on a Cessna) Vs. a more permanent
> panel installation like in an experimental, the big displays will get in
> your way more than help. You don't need a real large screen to get decent
> utility out of the unit.
>
>
> The other TYPE of GPS are the PDA (iPaq) based GPS systems Vs. the
> dedicated type GPS systems above. The PDA based units have pros and cons,
> I have used both dedicated (like Garmin) and the PDA based GPS, I prefer
> the dedicated units for ease of use.
>
> Anywheremap is the king of this hill of the PDA (one was for sale used
> real cheap on the VansAirforce classifieds for the cost of just a PDA.
> Why? I don't know but some don't care for the touch screen and smaller
> size screen.) http://www.controlvision.com/
>
> Other PDA based aviation GPS software makers are:
> http://www.airgator.com/
> http://www.pcavionics.com/custserv/index.jsp
> http://www.navzilla.com/
> http://www.pocketfms.com/
>
> If you don't have a PDA now or have used one before I would not suggest
> going this route. However the long term ownership of a PDA based system
> might me cheaper because of update cost. The nice thing about the updates
> (which they charge for but tends to be cheaper than Garmin) is some
> vendors provide daily update of special use airspace and Temp Flt
> Restrictions (TFR) free to down from the web. However for VFR I only
> updated my Garmin GPS every year or so and used paper to back it up (Air
> Chart Systems). As far as TRF the info is free on the web anyway to check
> before flight, which is a pretty obvious thing to do.
>
>
> Good Luck.
>
> Whether a $500 GPS or a $3000 portable GPS they all do basically the same
> important functions. The high end features, terrain and weather are in the
> upper priced units and Garmin 396 would be my choice if money was no
> limit. If I did not care for weather I would look at the other barnds
> which tend to be less expensive and still have great features. Also
> remember to get weather there is a monthly subscription like satellite
> radio or TV. In fact the weather is provided by XM radio. This could get
> expensive if you are not going to use it.
>
> George
>
>
> Kevin Williams wrote:
>>
>>I would like feedback on what portable GPS you feel is the best out there
>>as
>>of today or very soon to be released? I'm looking at buying a good one to
>>go
>>along with a plane purchase.
>>
>>Im looking for most of the bells and whistles. Color contoured map, and a
>>simulated HSI (horizontal situational indicator) would be great.
>>
>>Kevin
>>
>>>Match: #13 Message: #132655
>>>Date: Aug 13, 2005
>>>From: Hal Rozema <hartist1@cox.net>
>>>Subject: Re: Best Portable GPS
>>>
>>>I'm have both their ANYWHERE MAP http://www.controlvision.com/ and
>>>ATTITUDE INDICATOR (HSI) http://www.anywheremap.com/pages/Section_AI.aspx
>>>Zenith CH701 VSTOL w/Jabiru 3300
>>>Hal Rozema
>>>see ThePlaneFolks.Net click on Construction Gallery
>>>Phoenix, AZ
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron pushrod and wing mounting |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" <flyrv6@bryantechnology.com>
You can put them in through the ends like you suggest. Works fine.
Tim
RV-6
Did it that way when I test fit my wings.
-------Original Message-------
From: Jeff Orear
Subject: RV-List: Aileron pushrod and wing mounting
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Orear" <jorear@new.rr.com>
List:
Getting real close to getting my wings on for the last time. Regarding the
aileron pushrod......From control column to the bellcrank. Is it necessary
to have that installed in the wing when you mount the wings? My plan has
been to get the wings mounted and then make up my pushrods and fish them
through the wing via the lightening holes. I figure that once I get them to
the bellcrank, I can finish getting them into the fuselage by grabbing them
at the aileron bellcrank access.
Any suggestions?
Am I slow at getting this thing done, or what!!?
Regards,
Jeff Orear
RV6A N782P (reserved)
Mounting wings real soon
Peshtigo, WI
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron pushrod and wing mounting |
--> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
We fabricated ours early in the process and "installed" during one of the
times we had the wings in position. Do note "one of the times". We had to
cut & fit the fuselage sides for the final fit(s). DO NOT install all the
bolts & nuts until you plan on leaving them (the wings) on. HRII 561FS
KABONG Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Orear" <jorear@new.rr.com>
Subject: RV-List: Aileron pushrod and wing mounting
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Orear" <jorear@new.rr.com>
> Getting real close to getting my wings on for the last time. Regarding
> the aileron pushrod>
> Any suggestions?
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy - How many more times? ... I agree !! |
--> RV-List message posted by: JTAnon@aol.com
OK, I started this whole thread as a joke, and trying to relieve my
frustration, but really ....
... Now I'm on a rant!
The reason I picked Vans was because it is the best kit out there in so, so
many ways.
Where else (certified or not) can you get a plane that will fly like this at
this cost? Where else can you find such a clear builders manual aided by
readily available tech support? (Thank you Tom Green et al for your patience with
an idiot like me.) BUT!!!...
Right from the outset I realized that I was not one of these guys that builds
the first one then suffers from "builders withdrawal" and immediately starts
building another. I DO NOT enjoy the building process. It's a means to an
end for me. I will never do this again. I just want to fly the thing, and I
want it to be right when I do,
There is a certain satisfaction from following the (usually) clear
directions, taking the time to understand the (usually) accurate drawings (the
biggest
aggregate time in my builder's log will be the looking at the drawings, head
scratching process. OK, my problem, my bad.), lining up the holes, being
precise, riveting the thing and finally saying, "Wow! I built a rudder, and it's
a
real quality job, thank you, thank you Vans for your design and the technical
support you provide to newbies like me." Tedium and patience is part of the
process to get it right, and you start to think, "OK, I can do this, I can
build an airframe if I just follow directions."
But then you run into things like this (the canopy) and all good will goes
out the window. Frustration doesn't need to be a part of the process if it can
be avoided.
I'm no engineer, but I'm reasonably intelligent, so can somebody tell me why
Vans couldn't put the welded canopy frame (and roll bar) in some kind of
factory jig to make it fit the rest of the airframe? I can visualize such an
apparatus but I have neither the skill, means, nor would it be practical for me
to
build such a jig for a "one time" application. If you can match drill skins
and ribs surely you can match drill this section too. Just tell me what it
costs and I'll pay it.
Right in Section 9 (Fitting the Canopy) page 1 of the manual it says this can
be "... one of the most disappointing, gumption-robbing experiences a
homebuilder can have." Got that right!
Just can't wait until I get to (Vans words) "The black art" of fiberglass.
Why is it that several guys are making a buck with fairings better than what
Vans supplies? Better yet, what a joy will wiring this sucker be? Why can't
Vans recommend a typical instrument panel and supply the components for the
same instead of me putting out $5K for someone to do this part?
A while back in the RV ator Van himself questioned why he had sold xx,xxx
thousand empenage kits when there were only x,xxx thousand flying. He said,
"What happened to the other x,xxx thousand?" You want my answer to date? The
canopy! No skill one has acquired thus far in the process prepares you for this
mess. Is it possible to leave the damn thing off and just fly with goggles?
Hello Vans! Fix it! Let me do my 51% somewhere else! There must
be other builders like me!
Please don't flame me. It would just add to my frustration at this point.
John McD (RV7A - @#
%$ Canopy - ARRGGHAAA)
Don't care if you archive or not, but please, somebody at Vans read this!!!
Rant over. Tomorrow is another day. Maybe the elves will finish the canopy
while I sleep.
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| Subject: | Re: [SoCAL-RVlist] Congrats Walter |
--> RV-List message posted by: Walter Tondu <walter@tondu.com>
On 08/13 10:27, Dan Checkoway wrote:
> Just wanted to extend a big congratulations to Walter Tondu, who flew his
> RV-7A for the first time today at Chino, CA. Nicely done!!!
>
> )_( Dan
> RV-7 N714D
> http://www.rvproject.com
Thanks Dan,
Just a note to all who participated, "Thank You" very much.
It was a very memorable experience. One that will never be
forgotten.
Notes on the first flight here.
http://www.rv7-a.com/phase_1.htm#First%20Flight
--
Walter Tondu
http://www.rv7-a.com
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| Subject: | Canopy - How many more times? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
You need to go for a ride. Where do you live so someone
can give you a short respite from your current anguish.
Ron Lee
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy - How many more times? ... I agree !! |
--> RV-List message posted by: JTAnon@aol.com
Wow Jerry.
Give me a break. I've seen your posts before, some informative, some
helpful, some opinionated, some potentially offensive.....
Guess I should have known better and should have read all the responses
before I fired off a reply to the first post I read. (And probably before Miller
Time which I am well into at this point after yet another day of wrestling with
this frame in 97 degree heat.)
I was just so relieved to find at least one other builder who agrees with me
that I needed to continue to vent.
Please don't characterize my post as whining. If some want to do the slow
build; Hell, if some want to smelt their own aluminum, God bless. That's not
me.
No, I don't want Vans to come build the plane for me.
In my area of expertise I did great in my life. But I wouldn't expect that
somebody new to my field would understand all the nuance of what I know after a
lifetime in the field. In fact, in my area (teacher) my main task is to show
the new student the joy of what I love, and help them to gain skills. To a
really great teacher challenge is part of the process, frustration never is.
After obsessing over every rivet and measurement in the emp kit I ordered the
quickbuild because I recognized my limitations both in skill and desire to
have this plane.
All I'm saying is that this stage is (maybe) needlessly frustrating.
Just asking Van to give me the option to ease my pain and get this thing
flying.
John McD (RV7A - canopy - duly chastised by the purist(s)
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron pushrod and wing mounting |
--> RV-List message posted by: mark phipps <skydive80020@yahoo.com>
Hi Jeff, We have talked on here before, I was only a few months in front of you.
Leave your wingtips off and feed your pushrods through the wings to the aileron
bellcrank and then feed to the fuselage from there, works great. Mark Phipps,
N242RP, Gypsy Spirit. 11 hours of flight time so far, flies great.
Jeff Orear <jorear@new.rr.com> wrote:--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Orear"
List:
Getting real close to getting my wings on for the last time. Regarding the aileron
pushrod......From control column to the bellcrank. Is it necessary to have
that installed in the wing when you mount the wings? My plan has been to get
the wings mounted and then make up my pushrods and fish them through the wing
via the lightening holes. I figure that once I get them to the bellcrank, I can
finish getting them into the fuselage by grabbing them at the aileron bellcrank
access.
Any suggestions?
Am I slow at getting this thing done, or what!!?
Regards,
Jeff Orear
RV6A N782P (reserved)
Mounting wings real soon
Peshtigo, WI
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy - How many more times? ... I agree !! |
--> RV-List message posted by: mark phipps <skydive80020@yahoo.com>
John, Ok breathe, you are going through what we all went through. Take your time
and relax and expext a couple a months for a good canopy fit. Don't, please
fall into the category that says, I saw it on the flight line so it must be okay.
I redid my rear canopy skirts for about 2 months including buying a metal
bender. In the end it is little to ask for a proffesional looking job. Remember,
every time you exit your aircraft you will look at it and know everyone else
is as well. Take your time, your gonna fly this bird for a lotta years, remember
they call em " Experimental"TAnon@aol.com wrote:
Mark Phipps, N242RP, RV6A
--> RV-List message posted by: JTAnon@aol.com
OK, I started this whole thread as a joke, and trying to relieve my
frustration, but really ....
... Now I'm on a rant!
The reason I picked Vans was because it is the best kit out there in so, so
many ways.
Where else (certified or not) can you get a plane that will fly like this at
this cost? Where else can you find such a clear builders manual aided by
readily available tech support? (Thank you Tom Green et al for your patience with
an idiot like me.) BUT!!!...
Right from the outset I realized that I was not one of these guys that builds
the first one then suffers from "builders withdrawal" and immediately starts
building another. I DO NOT enjoy the building process. It's a means to an
end for me. I will never do this again. I just want to fly the thing, and I
want it to be right when I do,
There is a certain satisfaction from following the (usually) clear
directions, taking the time to understand the (usually) accurate drawings (the
biggest
aggregate time in my builder's log will be the looking at the drawings, head
scratching process. OK, my problem, my bad.), lining up the holes, being
precise, riveting the thing and finally saying, "Wow! I built a rudder, and it's
a
real quality job, thank you, thank you Vans for your design and the technical
support you provide to newbies like me." Tedium and patience is part of the
process to get it right, and you start to think, "OK, I can do this, I can
build an airframe if I just follow directions."
But then you run into things like this (the canopy) and all good will goes
out the window. Frustration doesn't need to be a part of the process if it can
be avoided.
I'm no engineer, but I'm reasonably intelligent, so can somebody tell me why
Vans couldn't put the welded canopy frame (and roll bar) in some kind of
factory jig to make it fit the rest of the airframe? I can visualize such an
apparatus but I have neither the skill, means, nor would it be practical for me
to
build such a jig for a "one time" application. If you can match drill skins
and ribs surely you can match drill this section too. Just tell me what it
costs and I'll pay it.
Right in Section 9 (Fitting the Canopy) page 1 of the manual it says this can
be "... one of the most disappointing, gumption-robbing experiences a
homebuilder can have." Got that right!
Just can't wait until I get to (Vans words) "The black art" of fiberglass.
Why is it that several guys are making a buck with fairings better than what
Vans supplies? Better yet, what a joy will wiring this sucker be? Why can't
Vans recommend a typical instrument panel and supply the components for the
same instead of me putting out $5K for someone to do this part?
A while back in the RV ator Van himself questioned why he had sold xx,xxx
thousand empenage kits when there were only x,xxx thousand flying. He said,
"What happened to the other x,xxx thousand?" You want my answer to date? The
canopy! No skill one has acquired thus far in the process prepares you for this
mess. Is it possible to leave the damn thing off and just fly with goggles?
Hello Vans! Fix it! Let me do my 51% somewhere else! There must
be other builders like me!
Please don't flame me. It would just add to my frustration at this point.
John McD (RV7A - @#
%$ Canopy - ARRGGHAAA)
Don't care if you archive or not, but please, somebody at Vans read this!!!
Rant over. Tomorrow is another day. Maybe the elves will finish the canopy
while I sleep.
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| Subject: | Canopy - Enough Already |
--> RV-List message posted by: JTAnon@aol.com
OK! I made a mistake!
The original (8/11 Canopy - How many more times?) post was a failed attempt
at humor.
In subsequent posts apparently some think I'm a weanie, some agree, some want
to "fix my head" and make me a "real builder"
LOL
I get it! Thanks to all for your input.
So tomorrow I'll go at the canopy frame again, hope springs eternal
Or maybe I'll do something more fun like back riveting my finger nails,
drilling yet another hole in my thumb, or maybe do something new like just slamming
my head repeatedly into my EAA designed workbench until I realize I bit off
more than I can chew with this project.
NOT!
Best move is to go to bed and recognize that, "What one man can do, another
can do."
I WILL finish this project.
Let's all agree to two things....
1) Come admire my plane at Oshkosh next year
2) Let's save the band width for guys that have real building questions and
can benefit from the invaluable help and advice that I have benefited from
over the years on this list.
John McD (RV7A canopy redux)
PS Jerry, You're not the same guy who hosts that TV show and thinks he can
run for the Senate are you?
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