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1. 04:11 AM - Re: Turbine Engines for RVs (Chuck Jensen)
2. 05:05 AM - Re: Photo for presentation (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
3. 05:23 AM - Re: Manual Flaps?, RV-7 (Bobby Hester)
4. 05:37 AM - Re: Manual Flaps?, RV-7 (LarryRobertHelming)
5. 05:52 AM - Re: Photos for presentation (Joe Larson)
6. 06:05 AM - Re: Re: Ed Holyoke's Rant/QB FOD (Marty)
7. 06:14 AM - Re: EZ-Pilot problem (LARRY ADAMSON)
8. 06:54 AM - Re: EZ-Pilot problem (LARRY ADAMSON)
9. 07:22 AM - RV7 up elevator stop (owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com)
10. 07:22 AM - RV6A Project for Sale (Gene Gottschalk)
11. 07:41 AM - Re: Re: Ed Holyoke's Rant/QB FOD (flynlow)
12. 07:55 AM - Re: Re: Ed Holyoke's Rant/QB FOD (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
13. 07:55 AM - Re: Re: Ed Holyoke's Rant/QB FOD (linn walters)
14. 08:01 AM - Re: Re: Ed Holyoke's Rant/QB FOD (linn walters)
15. 08:16 AM - sub-panel construction (sportav8r@aol.com)
16. 08:21 AM - Re: Re: Ed Holyoke's Rant/QB FOD (Oliver Washburn)
17. 08:22 AM - Re: Re: Ed Holyoke's Rant/QB FOD (George Neal E Capt AU/XPRR)
18. 08:56 AM - Re: Re: Ed Holyoke's Rant/QB FOD (Tom Gummo)
19. 09:00 AM - Re: (LarryRobertHelming)
20. 09:27 AM - Re: Photo for presentation (Mickey Coggins)
21. 10:18 AM - Re: Photo for presentation (Ed Holyoke)
22. 10:59 AM - Re: Photo for presentation (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
23. 10:59 AM - Re: Photo for presentation (D.Bristol)
24. 11:09 AM - Re: Re: Ed Holyoke's Rant/QB FOD (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
25. 11:14 AM - Re: EZ-Pilot problem (charlie heathco)
26. 11:32 AM - Re: sub-panel construction (Ralph E. Capen)
27. 11:32 AM - Re: Photo for presentation (Mickey Coggins)
28. 11:43 AM - Re: Photo for presentation (linn walters)
29. 11:50 AM - Using the S word (charlie heathco)
30. 11:51 AM - Re: sub-panel construction (HCRV6@aol.com)
31. 12:17 PM - Re: sub-panel construction (John Furey)
32. 12:20 PM - P-Mag (charlie heathco)
33. 12:25 PM - Re: Photo for presentation (Stein Bruch)
34. 12:25 PM - Re: Mixture cable too short? (Phil Birkelbach)
35. 12:37 PM - Re: Photo for presentation (Konrad L. Werner)
36. 12:55 PM - Re: Photo for presentation (D.Bristol)
37. 01:57 PM - Re: Photo for presentation (Ed Holyoke)
38. 02:38 PM - Re: Re: Ed Holyoke's Rant/QB FOD (Tom Gummo)
39. 02:38 PM - Ed Holyoke's Rant/QB FOD (Jim Robinette)
40. 05:57 PM - Tax question about personal use on company owned plane... (Matt Johnson)
41. 06:18 PM - Engine Overhaul Question (Richard Bibb)
42. 06:31 PM - Fall Classic RV Fly-in (John Mcmahon)
43. 06:31 PM - Re: Re: Ed Holyoke's Rant/QB FOD (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
44. 07:29 PM - Re: Tax question about personal use on company owned plane... (not processed: message from valid local sender) (Pat Hatch)
45. 07:33 PM - Re: Re: Ed Holyoke's Rant/QB FOD (Tom Gummo)
46. 07:37 PM - Re: Photo for presentation (JOHN STARN)
47. 07:41 PM - Re: Photo for presentation (JOHN STARN)
48. 08:03 PM - Re: Painting Class refid=0001.0A090202.4300CD4D.0074-A-, ip=209.107.238.85, so=2005-07-14 09:05:58, dmn=2005-05-20 17:56:59 (Mark/Micki Phillips)
49. 08:36 PM - Re: Tax question about personal use on company owned plane... (not processed: message from valid local sender) (charlie heathco)
50. 08:38 PM - Re: Engine Overhaul Question (charlie heathco)
51. 08:58 PM - Re: Painting Class refid=0001.0A090202.4300CD4D.0074-A-, (Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club)
52. 09:10 PM - Re: Painting Class refid=0001.0A090202.4300CD4D.0074-A-, (Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club)
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| Subject: | Turbine Engines for RVs |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Chuck Jensen" <cjensen@dts9000.com>
Doug,
Your assessment seemed right on in every respect. Your closing
statement was particularly succinct in stating they are a long way from
being ready to sell engines. HOWEVER, it's never too early to take
deposits!!!
Chuck
Do Not Archive
Doug Rozendaal wrote...
I wish them all the luck in the world and hope they are successful, but
it
looks to me like they are a LONG way from being ready to sell engines
that
fly.
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| Subject: | Photo for presentation |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
Here is a pretty good one.
Taken by ground crew on the beach of a small island off Grand Turk. Pax
was an innocent islander snagged from the resort who had never been in a
small plane before:)
http://www.mstewart.net/deletesoon/n686msgturk.jpg
Kahuna
Do not archive.
And Please put Do Not Archive in these questions!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Joe Larson
Subject: RV-List: Photo for presentation
--> RV-List message posted by: Joe Larson <jpl@showpage.org>
On Wednesday, I'm giving a presentation titled, "Homebuilt Aviation:
Cunning Plan or Proof of Insanity?" I am applying the final touches
and am hoping for a few more photos.
One photo I would like is an RV obviously engaged in some
demonstration of "fun" such as aerobatics. I'm trying to show in a
photo that an RV is more fun to fly than a Cessna, and the audience
is NOT composed of pilots.
If anyone has any photos I could use for this, please let me know.
-Joe
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| Subject: | Re: Manual Flaps?, RV-7 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bobby Hester" <bhester@hopkinsville.net>
Mark, your aol email has not been working for the last couple days :-(
-------
Surfing the web from Hopkinsville, KY
RV7A web site: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite
On Mon, 15 Aug 2005, Fiveonepw@aol.com wrote...
>--> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
>
>In a message dated 08/15/2005 3:45:15 PM Central Standard Time,
>deruiteraircraftservices@btinternet.com writes:
>The stock electric
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| Subject: | Re: Manual Flaps?, RV-7 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
My flap motor was shipped in 2002 and it was not a bad one. It works
perfectly. Took it apart also to verify.
FWIW, in my building experience, I deviated from the plans only a little
once or twice. Such deviations required considerable time to implement. My
friend with an RV6 has manual flaps. He just about takes over the cockpit
when he needs to lower or raise the flaps. It requires strength and room.
Could be something to consider if you are a small or older person without
good arm and shoulder strength or a big person requiring lots of shoulder
room.
Indiana Larry, RV7 Tip Up Flying 57 hours and still grinning. Pound on
with those rivets........
----- Original Message -----
From: <Fiveonepw@aol.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Manual Flaps?, RV-7
> --> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 08/15/2005 3:45:15 PM Central Standard Time,
> deruiteraircraftservices@btinternet.com writes:
> The stock electric
>> motor has a poor track record.
>>>>
>
> Hi Bill-
>
> Not an attempt to dissuade you from manual, but pretty sure the "bad"
> motors
> was a somewhat limited run from 2000 or 2001 (not sure of dates- archive
> check
> to be sure). Mine was shipped around 2002 and has performed perfectly for
> 220+ hours, as have many others for far longer than that...
>
> Best wishes & do not archive
> Mark Phillips -6A N51PW
>
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| Subject: | Re: Photos for presentation |
--> RV-List message posted by: Joe Larson <jpl@showpage.org>
Wow! You guys all have some amazing photographs. Everyone who has
shared your photos, thank you.
The talk is tomorrow at noon. If no one hears from me again, you can
assume that the collective decision was "insane", and the guys in the
white jackets took me to my new home before I could hurt myself in that
contraption.
-Joe
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| Subject: | RE: Ed Holyoke's Rant/QB FOD |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Marty" <martorious@earthlink.net>
Did you let Van's know? I'm pretty sure they don't put them on a
rotisserie so probably don't know about it. This would be something
they need to address with their contractor overseas. The stuff under
the floorboards would be particularly aggravating.
Do not archive
Marty in Indiana
RV-8A Preview plans in Hand
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
>server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Robinette
>Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 8:02 PM
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: RE: Ed Holyoke's Rant/QB FOD
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Robinette" <jim@rvator.net>
>
>You would also expect a QB to be free from FOD! I bought my QB fuse
>and
>wings direct from Van's. Put the fuse on Jeff Bordeleon's rotisserie
>only find all kinds of items such as rusted clecos, pop rivets,
>regular
>rivets and some scrap aluminum to fall out. Not that significant,
>until
>there was more clanking beneath the floorboards that couldn't be
>stopped. Now I have to either deal with FOD under the seats or drill
>out the floorboards to remove it.
>
>Most people wouldn't find this FOD unless they flipped their QB fuse
>over. Seems there needs to be a little better quality control in the
>PI!
>
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Skylor Piper
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV-List: Canopy - Ed Holyoke's Rant
>
>--- Ed Holyoke <bicyclop@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
>>>One could also expect that a
>> jig-built quickbuild
>> would be straight...
>
>
>Isn't that the truth!
>
>Skylor
>RV-8 QB, Under Construction
>
>Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: EZ-Pilot problem |
--> RV-List message posted by: "LARRY ADAMSON" <rvhi03@msn.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: charlie heathco
Subject: RV-List: EZ-Pilot problem
Thanks to the fact, that I had installed radio control servo's for many years,
before installing my EZ Pilot.....
I'm aware that a servo arm needs a hole, although mine was drilled. I'm also aware
that arms often need to be repositioned to fit the task. And the fact that
reverse polarity to change motor direction is also common; though, as I remember,
it can be done electronically with this unit. If I didn't have a clue about
servo positioning to start with, I'd have first checked it's operation without
the arms connected to the control surfaces, stick, etc. to avoid damage.
What I'm reading here, is that you hadn't thought it all out, during installation
& first use. But then you call it a piece of shit anyway....
<Well It wasnt easy, but I finally got it together. had to take the servo back
out and drill out the arm atach hole because somebody forgot to do it. Then on
<fire up it pulled the stick almost max left and ocilated like crazy, and corections
were backward, no sweat, reading on I learned all I had to do was reverse
<the servo. Ok did that, still on turn on it pulled the stick near max left,
in fact if I put that much control in it would have done a fast aileron roll.
Called for <help, Oh all you have to do is disasemble the control arm off the
servo which instructions told you to glue on, then experiment with moveing
the arm <around, crawling back in the plane and turning it on, then keep trying
till it might miraculisly center itelf. Wow! What a deal! for only $1800, you
can get <an almost working unit! All you have to do is spend couple hundred
dollars worth of time and it might even work!!! What a peice of Shit!!!
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| Subject: | Re: EZ-Pilot problem |
--> RV-List message posted by: "LARRY ADAMSON" <rvhi03@msn.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: charlie heathco
Subject: RV-List: EZ-Pilot problem
(edited for the 4 letter S word)
Thanks to the fact, that I had installed radio control servo's for many years,
before installing my EZ Pilot.....
I'm aware that a servo arm needs a hole, although mine was drilled. I'm also aware
that arms often need to be repositioned to fit the task. And the fact that
reverse polarity to change motor direction is also common; though, as I remember,
it can be done electronically with this unit. If I didn't have a clue about
servo positioning to start with, I'd have first checked it's operation without
the arms connected to the control surfaces, stick, etc. to avoid damage.
What I'm reading here, is that you hadn't thought it all out, during installation
& first use. But then you call it a piece of **** anyway....
<Well It wasnt easy, but I finally got it together. had to take the servo back
out and drill out the arm atach hole because somebody forgot to do it. Then on
<fire up it pulled the stick almost max left and ocilated like crazy, and corections
were backward, no sweat, reading on I learned all I had to do was reverse
<the servo. Ok did that, still on turn on it pulled the stick near max left,
in fact if I put that much control in it would have done a fast aileron roll.
Called for <help, Oh all you have to do is disasemble the control arm off the
servo which instructions told you to glue on, then experiment with moveing
the arm <around, crawling back in the plane and turning it on, then keep trying
till it might miraculisly center itelf. Wow! What a deal! for only $1800, you
can get <an almost working unit! All you have to do is spend couple hundred
dollars worth of time and it might even work!!! What a peice of ****!!!
Do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by:
Subject: RV7 up elevator stop
Hey gang,
The drawing for the up elevator stop shows a piece of 1x1x1/8" angle cut down to
3/4x3/4 (except for the middle portion where the horn hits, which is 13/16").
I find that a standard piece of 3/4x3/4x0.125 angle will allow just a tad more
travel than called for in the manual (~33 deg vs. 30 deg). Does anyone out there
have any experience with this or know of any reason why this would be a problem?
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<span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Hey gang,
<span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>
<span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>The drawing for the up elevator stop shows a piece of 1x1x1/8"
angle cut down to 3/4x3/4 (except for the middle portion where the horn hits,
which is 13/16").
<span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>
<span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I find that a standard piece of 3/4x3/4x0.125 angle will
allow just a tad more travel than called for in the manual (~33 deg vs. 30 deg).
Does anyone out there have any experience with this or know of any reason why
this would be a problem?
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| Subject: | RV6A Project for Sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: Gene Gottschalk <geneg@sled.gsfc.nasa.gov>
Contact me back channel for additional information.
RV6A for sale
Baltimore / Washington D.C. area
Non-prepunched. Complete documentation, photo album and builders logbook.
Registered N700RV.
Empennage:
Completed except for some fiberglass.
Wings:
Left wing completed except for fiberglass.
Right wing completed except for fiberglass and main skins, inverted fuel
option, electric and manual flap actuator, Whalen wing-tip strobes and
wiring harness, heated pitot, tie down rings, taxi and landing light kit.
Fuselage:
Completed in jig, ready to fit wings and gear and remove from jig to finish
top and cockpit. Includes dual brake assemblies, two five-point Hooker
aerobatic harnesses (including mounting details finished), dual entry
steps, NACA vent kits, plumbing, and eyeball vents, sliding canopy, Panel
circuit breaker/switches (with spares), RC Allen Flight gyros, all flight
instruments, accelerometer, fuel gauges, firewall recess kit (installed).
Includes custom-made metal fuselage jig.
Finishing kit:
Inventoried, not started.
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| Subject: | RE: Ed Holyoke's Rant/QB FOD |
--> RV-List message posted by: "flynlow" <flynlow@usaviator.net>
What pray tell is FOD?
Thanks for your patience.
Bud Silvers
RV-8
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Marty
Subject: RE: RV-List: RE: Ed Holyoke's Rant/QB FOD
--> RV-List message posted by: "Marty" <martorious@earthlink.net>
Did you let Van's know? I'm pretty sure they don't put them on a
rotisserie so probably don't know about it. This would be something
they need to address with their contractor overseas. The stuff under
the floorboards would be particularly aggravating.
Do not archive
Marty in Indiana
RV-8A Preview plans in Hand
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
>server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Robinette
>Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 8:02 PM
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: RE: Ed Holyoke's Rant/QB FOD
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Robinette" <jim@rvator.net>
>
>You would also expect a QB to be free from FOD! I bought my QB fuse
>and
>wings direct from Van's. Put the fuse on Jeff Bordeleon's rotisserie
>only find all kinds of items such as rusted clecos, pop rivets,
>regular
>rivets and some scrap aluminum to fall out. Not that significant,
>until
>there was more clanking beneath the floorboards that couldn't be
>stopped. Now I have to either deal with FOD under the seats or drill
>out the floorboards to remove it.
>
>Most people wouldn't find this FOD unless they flipped their QB fuse
>over. Seems there needs to be a little better quality control in the
>PI!
>
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Skylor Piper
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV-List: Canopy - Ed Holyoke's Rant
>
>--- Ed Holyoke <bicyclop@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
>>>One could also expect that a
>> jig-built quickbuild
>> would be straight...
>
>
>Isn't that the truth!
>
>Skylor
>RV-8 QB, Under Construction
>
>Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Ed Holyoke's Rant/QB FOD |
--> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
In a message dated 8/16/05 9:42:55 AM Central Daylight Time,
flynlow@usaviator.net writes:
> What pray tell is FOD?
>>>
Foreign Object Debris- you know, like C-150 or Cherokee parts from trainers
typically littering runway touchdown zones- also gravel, beer cans and small
animals on ramps & taxiways. Used here to describe free metalworking tools
littering quickbuild fuse innards ommited from removal by quality-control &
crating personnel...
But what is RON? Always thought this had something to do with gasoline
octane ratings!
Resume Own Navigation?
Ready Or Not?
Risk Of Nudity?
Rue Ot Narchive?
do not archive !
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Ed Holyoke's Rant/QB FOD |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
flynlow wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "flynlow" <flynlow@usaviator.net>
>
>What pray tell is FOD?
>
Damage caused by FO. One of those stupid military acronyms .... stands
for Foreign Object Damage ....... but is applied to the O itself. As in
'Walk the ramp and pick up any FOD. You don't pick up the 'Damage', you
try and prevent it by picking stuff up off the ground. Oh well, that's
the Government for you! Probably came about when jet engines started
sucking stuff up off the ground and trying to ingest it ..... or blowing
it into another parked aircraft.
Linn
do not archive
>
>Thanks for your patience.
>
>Bud Silvers
>RV-8
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Marty
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV-List: RE: Ed Holyoke's Rant/QB FOD
>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Marty" <martorious@earthlink.net>
>
>Did you let Van's know? I'm pretty sure they don't put them on a
>rotisserie so probably don't know about it. This would be something
>they need to address with their contractor overseas. The stuff under
>the floorboards would be particularly aggravating.
>
>Do not archive
>
>Marty in Indiana
>RV-8A Preview plans in Hand
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
>>server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Robinette
>>Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 8:02 PM
>>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RV-List: RE: Ed Holyoke's Rant/QB FOD
>>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Robinette" <jim@rvator.net>
>>
>>You would also expect a QB to be free from FOD! I bought my QB fuse
>>and
>>wings direct from Van's. Put the fuse on Jeff Bordeleon's rotisserie
>>only find all kinds of items such as rusted clecos, pop rivets,
>>regular
>>rivets and some scrap aluminum to fall out. Not that significant,
>>until
>>there was more clanking beneath the floorboards that couldn't be
>>stopped. Now I have to either deal with FOD under the seats or drill
>>out the floorboards to remove it.
>>
>>Most people wouldn't find this FOD unless they flipped their QB fuse
>>over. Seems there needs to be a little better quality control in the
>>PI!
>>
>>Jim
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Skylor Piper
>>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RE: RV-List: Canopy - Ed Holyoke's Rant
>>
>>--- Ed Holyoke <bicyclop@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>>One could also expect that a
>>>>
>>>>
>>>jig-built quickbuild
>>>would be straight...
>>>
>>>
>>Isn't that the truth!
>>
>>Skylor
>>RV-8 QB, Under Construction
>>
>>Do not archive
>>
>>
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>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Ed Holyoke's Rant/QB FOD |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
Fiveonepw@aol.com wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
>
>In a message dated 8/16/05 9:42:55 AM Central Daylight Time,
>flynlow@usaviator.net writes:
>
>
>
>>What pray tell is FOD?
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>Foreign Object Debris-
>
Now that makes more sence than what I remember!!
Linn
losing my mind
do not archive
> you know, like C-150 or Cherokee parts from trainers
>typically littering runway touchdown zones- also gravel, beer cans and small
>animals on ramps & taxiways. Used here to describe free metalworking tools
>littering quickbuild fuse innards ommited from removal by quality-control &
>crating personnel...
>
>But what is RON? Always thought this had something to do with gasoline
>octane ratings!
>
>Resume Own Navigation?
>Ready Or Not?
>Risk Of Nudity?
>Rue Ot Narchive?
>
>do not archive !
>
>
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| Subject: | sub-panel construction |
--> RV-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
Those of you side-by-side (-6 & -7 model) builders who have installed your instruments
and avionics on removable sub-panels, using the original panel blank as
a Swiss cheese framework to hold the panels together: did you find it necessary
to use the same thickness of sheet for the sub-panels, or were you able to
go lighter?
I'm at work, and I think from memory the RV-6 panel blank is .065" but it may be
.080" - wondering if there's enough stiffness in 3 smaller panels to make them
a gauge or two thinner and save some weight. I'm planning a gradual conversion
in several iterations to e3nd up with all glass diplays plus an IFR radio
stack, but always looking to save a few ounces here and there when making changes.
What has worked for you guys?
Thanks,
-Stormy
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Ed Holyoke's Rant/QB FOD |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Oliver Washburn" <ollie6a@earthlink.net>
RON----Remain over night
----- Original Message -----
From: <Fiveonepw@aol.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: RE: Ed Holyoke's Rant/QB FOD
> --> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 8/16/05 9:42:55 AM Central Daylight Time,
> flynlow@usaviator.net writes:
>
>> What pray tell is FOD?
>
>>>>
>
> Foreign Object Debris- you know, like C-150 or Cherokee parts from
> trainers
> typically littering runway touchdown zones- also gravel, beer cans and
> small
> animals on ramps & taxiways. Used here to describe free metalworking
> tools
> littering quickbuild fuse innards ommited from removal by quality-control
> &
> crating personnel...
>
> But what is RON? Always thought this had something to do with gasoline
> octane ratings!
>
> Resume Own Navigation?
> Ready Or Not?
> Risk Of Nudity?
> Rue Ot Narchive?
>
> do not archive !
>
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: Ed Holyoke's Rant/QB FOD |
--> RV-List message posted by: George Neal E Capt AU/XPRR <Neal.George@MAXWELL.AF.MIL>
RON - Rest (or Remain) Over Night
Capt Neal George
Chief, CAP Programs (AU/XPRR)
Air University Plans and Programs
334-953-4137
DSN 493-4137
--> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
In a message dated 8/16/05 9:42:55 AM Central Daylight Time,
flynlow@usaviator.net writes:
> What pray tell is FOD?
>>>
But what is RON? Always thought this had something to do with gasoline
octane ratings!
Resume Own Navigation?
Ready Or Not?
Risk Of Nudity?
Rue Ot Narchive?
do not archive !
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Ed Holyoke's Rant/QB FOD |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
>
> But what is RON? Always thought this had something to do with gasoline
> octane ratings!
>
> Resume Own Navigation?
> Ready Or Not?
> Risk Of Nudity?
> Rue Ot Narchive?
Remain Over Night
Try: http://www.fas.org/news/reference/lexicon/acronym.htm
They have a list of most of acronyms the military uses, which are also used
by aviation types.
Tom Gummo
Apple Valley, CA
Harmon Rocket-II
do not archive
http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
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--> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
Want more excitement?
Travel is limited to control the amount of pressure the part will experience
at full deflection and when you are cruising along and a sudden wind change
might cause you to take strong corrective action. Keep in mind, these
planes are super sensitive and responsive within described limits. You want
to yank on it the limit knowing you have it at 33 rather than 30 degrees???
You think maybe the DAR will not find this and therefore not issue your AWC?
You think your insurance company will pay off if a crash occurs and was
caused by the change?
I hope I have given you a couple of good reasons to consider building the
plane as the designer intended in this matter.
Best wishes and Good luck,
Indiana Larry, RV7 Tip Up It Flies.........Keep squeezing those
rivets......
Teamwork: " A lot of people doing exactly what I say."
(Marketing exec., Citrix Corp.)
----- Original Message ----- > I find that a standard piece of 3/4x3/4x0.125
angle will allow just a tad more travel than called for in the manual (~33
deg vs. 30 deg). Does anyone out there have any experience with this or
know of any reason why this would be a problem?
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Photo for presentation |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
That's a very cool picture! I hope your "victim" didn't need a barf bag.
> Taken by ground crew on the beach of a small island off Grand Turk. Pax
> was an innocent islander snagged from the resort who had never been in a
> small plane before:)
>
> http://www.mstewart.net/deletesoon/n686msgturk.jpg
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 finishing
do not archive
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| Subject: | Photo for presentation |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" <bicyclop@pacbell.net>
Does that airplane have forward sweep on it's wings? The elevator hinge
line and wing leading edge lines appear straight so I'm doubting fisheye
lens effect.
Pax,
Ed Holyoke
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stewart,
Michael (ISS Atlanta)
Subject: RE: RV-List: Photo for presentation
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)"
<mstewart@iss.net>
Here is a pretty good one.
Taken by ground crew on the beach of a small island off Grand Turk. Pax
was an innocent islander snagged from the resort who had never been in a
small plane before:)
http://www.mstewart.net/deletesoon/n686msgturk.jpg
Kahuna
Do not archive.
And Please put Do Not Archive in these questions!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Joe Larson
Subject: RV-List: Photo for presentation
--> RV-List message posted by: Joe Larson <jpl@showpage.org>
On Wednesday, I'm giving a presentation titled, "Homebuilt Aviation:
Cunning Plan or Proof of Insanity?" I am applying the final touches
and am hoping for a few more photos.
One photo I would like is an RV obviously engaged in some
demonstration of "fun" such as aerobatics. I'm trying to show in a
photo that an RV is more fun to fly than a Cessna, and the audience
is NOT composed of pilots.
If anyone has any photos I could use for this, please let me know.
-Joe
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| Subject: | Photo for presentation |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
Lens affect I would say.
Plumb bob says its good.
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ed Holyoke
Subject: RE: RV-List: Photo for presentation
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" <bicyclop@pacbell.net>
Does that airplane have forward sweep on it's wings? The elevator hinge
line and wing leading edge lines appear straight so I'm doubting fisheye
lens effect.
Pax,
Ed Holyoke
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stewart,
Michael (ISS Atlanta)
Subject: RE: RV-List: Photo for presentation
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)"
<mstewart@iss.net>
Here is a pretty good one.
Taken by ground crew on the beach of a small island off Grand Turk. Pax
was an innocent islander snagged from the resort who had never been in a
small plane before:)
http://www.mstewart.net/deletesoon/n686msgturk.jpg
Kahuna
Do not archive.
And Please put Do Not Archive in these questions!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Joe Larson
Subject: RV-List: Photo for presentation
--> RV-List message posted by: Joe Larson <jpl@showpage.org>
On Wednesday, I'm giving a presentation titled, "Homebuilt Aviation:
Cunning Plan or Proof of Insanity?" I am applying the final touches
and am hoping for a few more photos.
One photo I would like is an RV obviously engaged in some
demonstration of "fun" such as aerobatics. I'm trying to show in a
photo that an RV is more fun to fly than a Cessna, and the audience
is NOT composed of pilots.
If anyone has any photos I could use for this, please let me know.
-Joe
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| Subject: | Re: Photo for presentation |
--> RV-List message posted by: "D.Bristol" <dbris200@sbcglobal.net>
No, but it has a lot of dihedral and you're looking at it from aft of
the leading edge so it looks like forward sweep. If the perspective were
from ahead of the LE then it would look like aft sweep.
Dave B
Ed Holyoke wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" <bicyclop@pacbell.net>
>
>Does that airplane have forward sweep on it's wings? The elevator hinge
>line and wing leading edge lines appear straight so I'm doubting fisheye
>lens effect.
>
>Pax,
>
>Ed Holyoke
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stewart,
>Michael (ISS Atlanta)
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV-List: Photo for presentation
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)"
><mstewart@iss.net>
>
>Here is a pretty good one.
>Taken by ground crew on the beach of a small island off Grand Turk. Pax
>was an innocent islander snagged from the resort who had never been in a
>small plane before:)
>
>http://www.mstewart.net/deletesoon/n686msgturk.jpg
>
>Kahuna
>Do not archive.
>
>And Please put Do Not Archive in these questions!
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Joe Larson
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: Photo for presentation
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Joe Larson <jpl@showpage.org>
>
>On Wednesday, I'm giving a presentation titled, "Homebuilt Aviation:
>Cunning Plan or Proof of Insanity?" I am applying the final touches
>and am hoping for a few more photos.
>
>One photo I would like is an RV obviously engaged in some
>demonstration of "fun" such as aerobatics. I'm trying to show in a
>photo that an RV is more fun to fly than a Cessna, and the audience
>is NOT composed of pilots.
>
>If anyone has any photos I could use for this, please let me know.
>
>-Joe
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Ed Holyoke's Rant/QB FOD |
--> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
In a message dated 8/16/05 10:58:22 AM Central Daylight Time,
T.gummo@verizon.net writes:
> http://www.fas.org/news/reference/lexicon/acronym.htm
>>>>>
Yeeeooowwww! Over 3000 entries just for "A" alone- no wonder you guys get to
be jet jocks! Also explains why Donald Sutherland passed his eye test in
Space Cowboys...
Mark - WDCHTHTDIISC!
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: EZ-Pilot problem |
version=3.0.2
--> RV-List message posted by: "charlie heathco" <cheathco@gvtc.com>
I followed the instructions to the letter, nothing about doing what you
said. Not all of us are blessed with your qualifications. Charlie
----- Original Message -----
From: "LARRY ADAMSON" <rvhi03@msn.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: EZ-Pilot problem
--> RV-List message posted by: "LARRY ADAMSON" <rvhi03@msn.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: charlie heathco
Subject: RV-List: EZ-Pilot problem
Thanks to the fact, that I had installed radio control servo's for many
years, before installing my EZ Pilot.....
I'm aware that a servo arm needs a hole, although mine was drilled. I'm also
aware that arms often need to be repositioned to fit the task. And the fact
that reverse polarity to change motor direction is also common; though, as I
remember, it can be done electronically with this unit. If I didn't have a
clue about servo positioning to start with, I'd have first checked it's
operation without the arms connected to the control surfaces, stick, etc. to
avoid damage.
What I'm reading here, is that you hadn't thought it all out, during
installation & first use. But then you call it a piece of shit anyway....
<Well It wasnt easy, but I finally got it together. had to take the servo
back out and drill out the arm atach hole because somebody forgot to do it.
Then on <fire up it pulled the stick almost max left and ocilated like
crazy, and corections were backward, no sweat, reading on I learned all I
had to do was reverse <the servo. Ok did that, still on turn on it pulled
the stick near max left, in fact if I put that much control in it would have
done a fast aileron roll. Called for <help, Oh all you have to do is
disasemble the control arm off the servo which instructions told you to glue
on, then experiment with moveing the arm <around, crawling back in the plane
and turning it on, then keep trying till it might miraculisly center itelf.
Wow! What a deal! for only $1800, you can get <an almost working unit! All
you have to do is spend couple hundred dollars worth of time and it might
even work!!! What a peice of Shit!!!
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| Subject: | Re: sub-panel construction |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
I used a removable subpanel for my eight-pack and made the rest of the panel removable
after that. I got the longer panel from Van's for some more real estate...switches
etc....
I've got photos......zap me direct
-----Original Message-----
From: sportav8r@aol.com
Subject: RV-List: sub-panel construction
--> RV-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
Those of you side-by-side (-6 & -7 model) builders who have installed your instruments
and avionics on removable sub-panels, using the original panel blank as
a Swiss cheese framework to hold the panels together: did you find it necessary
to use the same thickness of sheet for the sub-panels, or were you able to
go lighter?
I'm at work, and I think from memory the RV-6 panel blank is .065" but it may be
.080" - wondering if there's enough stiffness in 3 smaller panels to make them
a gauge or two thinner and save some weight. I'm planning a gradual conversion
in several iterations to e3nd up with all glass diplays plus an IFR radio
stack, but always looking to save a few ounces here and there when making changes.
What has worked for you guys?
Thanks,
-Stormy
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| Subject: | Re: Photo for presentation |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
Ed,
You've been staring at your canopy frame too long! :-)
That's an optical illusion, called the Hering Illusion.
http://www.michaelbach.de/ot/ang_hering/index.html
Best regards,
Mickey
Ed Holyoke wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" <bicyclop@pacbell.net>
>
> Does that airplane have forward sweep on it's wings? The elevator hinge
> line and wing leading edge lines appear straight so I'm doubting fisheye
> lens effect.
>
> Pax,
>
> Ed Holyoke
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 finishing
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| Subject: | Re: Photo for presentation |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
WOW! NASA has been designing a plane that changes configuration
inflight ...... but so far nobody has made one that goes from forward
sweep to aft sweep ...... well, until now!!! Van's comes through again!!!
OK, do not archive ..... but what a concept!!
Linn
.Bristol wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "D.Bristol" <dbris200@sbcglobal.net>
>
>No, but it has a lot of dihedral and you're looking at it from aft of
>the leading edge so it looks like forward sweep. If the perspective were
>from ahead of the LE then it would look like aft sweep.
>
>Dave B
>
>Ed Holyoke wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" <bicyclop@pacbell.net>
>>
>>Does that airplane have forward sweep on it's wings? The elevator hinge
>>line and wing leading edge lines appear straight so I'm doubting fisheye
>>lens effect.
>>
>>Pax,
>>
>>Ed Holyoke
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stewart,
>>Michael (ISS Atlanta)
>>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RE: RV-List: Photo for presentation
>>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)"
>><mstewart@iss.net>
>>
>>Here is a pretty good one.
>>Taken by ground crew on the beach of a small island off Grand Turk. Pax
>>was an innocent islander snagged from the resort who had never been in a
>>small plane before:)
>>
>>http://www.mstewart.net/deletesoon/n686msgturk.jpg
>>
>>Kahuna
>>Do not archive.
>>
>>And Please put Do Not Archive in these questions!
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Joe Larson
>>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RV-List: Photo for presentation
>>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Joe Larson <jpl@showpage.org>
>>
>>On Wednesday, I'm giving a presentation titled, "Homebuilt Aviation:
>>Cunning Plan or Proof of Insanity?" I am applying the final touches
>>and am hoping for a few more photos.
>>
>>One photo I would like is an RV obviously engaged in some
>>demonstration of "fun" such as aerobatics. I'm trying to show in a
>>photo that an RV is more fun to fly than a Cessna, and the audience
>>is NOT composed of pilots.
>>
>>If anyone has any photos I could use for this, please let me know.
>>
>>-Joe
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Using the S word |
autolearn=no version=3.0.2
--> RV-List message posted by: "charlie heathco" <cheathco@gvtc.com>
I appologise to the list for using the S word, I was in a state of major frustration.
It has been clear to me for some time that I made a very GOOD decision
to buy a flying plane. I can do anything with wood, not a metals man. In spite
of 22 yrs in electronics and computer inst and repair, (ended in 1980, went
into home repairs and building), I was also frustrated trying to work with connecting
up those tiney wires! At 66 yrs old I should be flying and sitting in
my easy chair, not messing with this stuff, but I am possesed with the need to
understand and know how. I also take back the statement that I considered the
trio is a piece of S. Jerry is a good and honorable man, I just happened to get
a faulty unit. I very much appreciate the opportunity to be on this list, much
good stuff goes on here. Charlie Heathco, Boerne Stage
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| Subject: | Re: sub-panel construction |
--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
I used only one sub-panel for my flight instruments (old fashioned six pack)
and for that I used 0.125 sheet to give it some rigidity after filling it with
3 1/8 in. holes. BTW, the stock panel is 0.063. I also reinforced the
cutouts in the panel with 3/4 X 3/4 X 0.063 angle to replace the lost strength
and
stiffness. I'd do it the same way again.
Harry Crosby
RV-6 N16CX, 118 hours
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| Subject: | sub-panel construction |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Furey" <john@fureychrysler.com>
I would not recommend going thinner. You can see my panel at
johnfurey@myphotoalbums.com
John
RV6A
F1 Rocket in the oven
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autolearn=unavailable version=3.0.2
--> RV-List message posted by: "charlie heathco" <cheathco@gvtc.com>
Havent seen anything new in archives, anyone able to comment on the P-Mag? My left
mag, recently OHed, drops 120, and I have been wanting to convert. Charlie
heathco, Boerne
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| Subject: | Photo for presentation |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
And...the best part about that pic, is: The photo completely hides the
nosewheel :)
Sorry, I just couldn't resist. I'm just jealous of Mikes new plane!
Cheers,
Stein.
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Stewart, Michael
(ISS Atlanta)
Subject: RE: RV-List: Photo for presentation
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)"
<mstewart@iss.net>
Here is a pretty good one.
Taken by ground crew on the beach of a small island off Grand Turk. Pax
was an innocent islander snagged from the resort who had never been in a
small plane before:)
http://www.mstewart.net/deletesoon/n686msgturk.jpg
Kahuna
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| Subject: | Re: Mixture cable too short? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Phil Birkelbach <phil@petrasoft.net>
It would be helpful to know whether it was the cable or the quadrant
that is causing the problem. If it's the cable then you would need a
shorter mixture arm on the carb / FI servo. If it's the quadrant then
simply move the attach point further out (away from the rotation axis).
Godspeed,
Phil Birkelbach - Houston Texas
RV-7 N727WB - Finishing Up
http://www.myrv7.com
George Inman wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "George Inman" <ghinman@mts.net>
>
>I started the engine yesterday for the first time. Big event, and it went pretty
>well. I knew before the start that my mixture arm was not quite making it to
>the idle cutoff stop but that was a compromise I had to make in order to reach
>the full rich stop. I would say the idle stop was short by about 1/8 inch, just
>enough to cause the engine to continue to run with the mixture lever off.
>Prior to the start, and months ago while rigging the control cables I spent hours
>trying to adjust the cable/rod ends to achieve full travel to both stops but
>in the end had to compromise. It appears that the cable, or maybe the quadrant,
>does not have enough travel to accomplish both.
>
>I've been in the archives and have seen similar problems but no clues as to the
>fix. My thoughts are to perhaps move the attach point up on the mixture lever
>(Van's deluxe quadrant, and Cable too), thus providing more travel for any given
>lever movement and hopefully attain the little extra needed to hit both stops.
>I realize this fix will only work if the quadrant is the problem. But what
>if it's the cable that does not have the necessary travel?
>
>Your thoughts, comments, and suggestions please.
>
>Steve Struyk
>RV-8, N842S
>
>
> Steve
> I have the same problem with
>my RV-8 with bendix fuel inj. In my case it is
>the cables I got from Van's.they have only 2"
>throw.Not enough for the throttle and just barely
>enough for the mixture
> The quadrant has a bit more than 2" throw
>I think I might move the attach point up a bit
>on the throttle arm.
>
>George Inman
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Photo for presentation |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad L. Werner" <klwerner@comcast.net>
...and the main gear is hidden too! Mike's plane could be an RV-6"R" as far as
we can tell from this pic?
----- Original Message -----
From: Stein Bruch
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 1:24 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Photo for presentation
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
And...the best part about that pic, is: The photo completely hides the
nosewheel :)
Sorry, I just couldn't resist. I'm just jealous of Mikes new plane!
Cheers,
Stein.
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Stewart, Michael
(ISS Atlanta)
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV-List: Photo for presentation
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)"
<mstewart@iss.net>
Here is a pretty good one.
Taken by ground crew on the beach of a small island off Grand Turk. Pax
was an innocent islander snagged from the resort who had never been in a
small plane before:)
http://www.mstewart.net/deletesoon/n686msgturk.jpg
Kahuna
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| Subject: | Re: Photo for presentation |
--> RV-List message posted by: "D.Bristol" <dbris200@sbcglobal.net>
But us tailwheel people can tell just by the carma - well, the steps
help too!
Dave B
-6, SoCal
do not archive
Stein Bruch wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
>
>And...the best part about that pic, is: The photo completely hides the
>nosewheel :)
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Photo for presentation |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" <bicyclop@pacbell.net>
OK, but I put a piece of paper along the edge on my monitor so I don't
think it's Hering's illusion. I'm going with dihedral and/or lens
effect.
Pax,
Ed Holyoke
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mickey Coggins
Subject: Re: RV-List: Photo for presentation
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
Ed,
You've been staring at your canopy frame too long! :-)
That's an optical illusion, called the Hering Illusion.
http://www.michaelbach.de/ot/ang_hering/index.html
Best regards,
Mickey
Ed Holyoke wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" <bicyclop@pacbell.net>
>
> Does that airplane have forward sweep on it's wings? The elevator
hinge
> line and wing leading edge lines appear straight so I'm doubting
fisheye
> lens effect.
>
> Pax,
>
> Ed Holyoke
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 finishing
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Ed Holyoke's Rant/QB FOD |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
WDCHTHTDIISC ?????
While I know a lot of them, yours is a new one to me.
Yahoo search came up empty too. :-)
Tom "GummiBear" Gummo
Wild Weasel #1573, F-4G Instructor Pilot
Major, USAF Retired
http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
Apple Valley, CA
Harmon Rocket-II
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: <Fiveonepw@aol.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: RE: Ed Holyoke's Rant/QB FOD
> --> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 8/16/05 10:58:22 AM Central Daylight Time,
> T.gummo@verizon.net writes:
>
>> http://www.fas.org/news/reference/lexicon/acronym.htm
>
>>>>>>
>
> Yeeeooowwww! Over 3000 entries just for "A" alone- no wonder you guys get
> to
> be jet jocks! Also explains why Donald Sutherland passed his eye test in
> Space Cowboys...
>
> Mark - WDCHTHTDIISC!
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| Subject: | Ed Holyoke's Rant/QB FOD |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Robinette" <jim@rvator.net>
Marty,
It was addressed with someone from Van's. Just want to let you guy know
so if any other QB'ers out there (real builders need not apply, or maybe
you should..... :-) have the same problem I did, you can check.
Overall I am very happy with the quality of work on the QB fuse and
wings. No complaints except the permanent FOD I now have to try to get
out.
Take care,
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marty
Subject: RE: RV-List: RE: Ed Holyoke's Rant/QB FOD
--> RV-List message posted by: "Marty" <martorious@earthlink.net>
Did you let Van's know? I'm pretty sure they don't put them on a
rotisserie so probably don't know about it. This would be something
they need to address with their contractor overseas. The stuff under
the floorboards would be particularly aggravating.
Do not archive
Marty in Indiana
RV-8A Preview plans in Hand
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
>server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Robinette
>Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 8:02 PM
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: RE: Ed Holyoke's Rant/QB FOD
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Robinette" <jim@rvator.net>
>
>You would also expect a QB to be free from FOD! I bought my QB fuse
>and wings direct from Van's. Put the fuse on Jeff Bordeleon's
>rotisserie only find all kinds of items such as rusted clecos, pop
>rivets, regular rivets and some scrap aluminum to fall out. Not that
>significant, until there was more clanking beneath the floorboards that
>couldn't be stopped. Now I have to either deal with FOD under the
>seats or drill out the floorboards to remove it.
>
>Most people wouldn't find this FOD unless they flipped their QB fuse
>over. Seems there needs to be a little better quality control in the
>PI!
>
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Skylor Piper
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV-List: Canopy - Ed Holyoke's Rant
>
>--- Ed Holyoke <bicyclop@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
>>>One could also expect that a
>> jig-built quickbuild
>> would be straight...
>
>
>Isn't that the truth!
>
>Skylor
>RV-8 QB, Under Construction
>
>Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Tax question about personal use on company owned plane... |
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Johnson" <matt@n559rv.com>
Hopefully some of you can give me insight on this issue. My company just bought
an airplane as a benefit for me. I have to pay taxes for
personal use time. My question is this. How do you determine the amount that an
hour cost to determine how much I pay taxes on? If you
base it on the total cost of ownership, then I can get really screwed and it is
no benefit at all. If you base it on the cost of the plane flying
for 1 hour, it seems fair. But my accountant seems to think it is on the TCO not
the cost per hour to fly... If the plane cost $10,000 a year
for all expenses, and it flys 1 hour, is it normal for the company to put a benefit
of $10,000 on that employees paycheck as a benefit and
have them pay $5,000 (or whatever your tax rate is) for the honor of that one hour
of flight?
- Matt
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| Subject: | Engine Overhaul Question |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard Bibb" <rebibb@comcast.net>
I have a few questions for the engine gurus out there. All pertain to a
Lycoming O-320-E2D.
1) What sort of sealer and/or lubricant do you use with the crankshaft nose
seal? The Overhaul Manual calls for Pliobond No.20 but I can't find the
stuff.
2) I got new bearings but am confused by the location of the holes for the
locator dowells in the Crankcase halfs. The dowels in the case halfs are
centered in the bottom of the journals but the holes in the bearing halves
are offset from the center. This doesn't look right yet the part numbers
are the correct part numbers. What am I missing here?
3) How does one reassemble one of these without the "Clylinder Hold Down
Any help and advice on putting the engine back together is appreciated.
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| Subject: | Fall Classic RV Fly-in |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Mcmahon" <rv6@earthlink.net>
To inform everyone that we are having again this year our EAA Chapter 863
Fall Classic RV Fly-in on Sept 17th at (M54) Lebanon,Tn
20 miles east of Nashville,Tn.Mike Seager will be there for RV
instruction the 16th17th and 18th.
There will be aircraft judging and food etc..For instruction time slots
call me at home and I will set you up..
John McMahon (RV6 863JJ)
615-452-8742
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Ed Holyoke's Rant/QB FOD |
--> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
In a message dated 08/16/2005 3:42:27 PM Central Standard Time,
T.gummo@verizon.net writes:
WDCHTHTDIISC ?????
While I know a lot of them, yours is a new one to me.
Yahoo search came up empty too. :-)
>>>
Not to worry Mr. Gummibear- an old friendly East/West rivalry thing from my
younger years racing dirt bikes back in the muddy swampy woods of Georgia when
the Left Coast Desert Rats would sniggle at the ideer of riding a bike
underwater- (not a problem out in yer neck-o-the woods! 8-)
Our jerseys were imblazoned with the acro- stood for:
WeDontCareHowTheHellTheyDoItInSouthernCalifornia!!!
DNA (Does Not Apply) to RVs since they were born on the NorthLeft Coast &
Rockets are from SoCal along with all y'all other RV wackos! Insane? No, just
crazy... 8-)
Mark- stuck in hot, muggy, lo-vis Tennessee & do not archive (DNA DNA here!)
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| Subject: | Tax question about personal use on company owned plane... |
(not processed: message from valid local sender)
--> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" <pat_hatch@msn.com>
Matt,
I can probably help you...since this is off topic perhaps you will want to
contact me direct. Basically, you could be imputed income based on SIFL
rates (Standard Industry Fare Levels) published by the IRS. I can give you
the references for your accounting department, but it would be helpful if
your company is a member of the NBAA (National Business Aircraft
Association). If so, you can get a lot of free information on personal use
of aircraft from them. Also, the IRS has just published a ruling on
personal use that changes a few things. Bottom line: you will pay tax on
about the equivalent of first-class airline fare between the city pairs for
personal use. The company can expense the cost for all trips where there is
a business purpose.
Just scratching the surface here...write me direct if you would like further
info.
Pat Hatch
Do not archive
--> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Johnson" <matt@n559rv.com>
Hopefully some of you can give me insight on this issue. My company just
bought an airplane as a benefit for me. I have to pay taxes for
personal use time. My question is this. How do you determine the amount that
an hour cost to determine how much I pay taxes on? If you
base it on the total cost of ownership, then I can get really screwed and it
is no benefit at all. If you base it on the cost of the plane flying
for 1 hour, it seems fair. But my accountant seems to think it is on the TCO
not the cost per hour to fly... If the plane cost $10,000 a year
for all expenses, and it flys 1 hour, is it normal for the company to put a
benefit of $10,000 on that employees paycheck as a benefit and
have them pay $5,000 (or whatever your tax rate is) for the honor of that
one hour of flight?
- Matt
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Ed Holyoke's Rant/QB FOD |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
YGBSM (You Gotta Be Sh_tting Me)
East/West, I am a PA boy. I was born in Lock Haven - home of Piper
Aircraft. Worked there while a college student, best job a young guy could
have. Flew for next to nothing.
Military dumped me out in SoCal after twenty years and I have to say that I
like the WX or lack of wx here in the desert.
Tom
http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
You have to go to my web site if you want to learn more about YGBSM.
----- Original Message -----
From: <Fiveonepw@aol.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: RE: Ed Holyoke's Rant/QB FOD
> --> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 08/16/2005 3:42:27 PM Central Standard Time,
> T.gummo@verizon.net writes:
> WDCHTHTDIISC ?????
>
> While I know a lot of them, yours is a new one to me.
> Yahoo search came up empty too. :-)
>>>>
>
> Not to worry Mr. Gummibear- an old friendly East/West rivalry thing from
> my
> younger years racing dirt bikes back in the muddy swampy woods of Georgia
> when
> the Left Coast Desert Rats would sniggle at the ideer of riding a bike
> underwater- (not a problem out in yer neck-o-the woods! 8-)
>
> Our jerseys were imblazoned with the acro- stood for:
> WeDontCareHowTheHellTheyDoItInSouthernCalifornia!!!
>
> DNA (Does Not Apply) to RVs since they were born on the NorthLeft Coast &
> Rockets are from SoCal along with all y'all other RV wackos! Insane? No,
> just
> crazy... 8-)
>
> Mark- stuck in hot, muggy, lo-vis Tennessee & do not archive (DNA DNA
> here!)
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Photo for presentation |
--> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
Dang ...and here I thought those were the foot pegs for the backs. KABONG Do
Not Archive 8*)
----- Original Message -----
From: "D.Bristol" <dbris200@sbcglobal.net>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "D.Bristol" <dbris200@sbcglobal.net>
>
> But us tailwheel people can tell just by the carma - well, the steps
> help too!
>
> Dave B
> -6, SoCal
>
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Photo for presentation |
--> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
OPP's that last word should have been BACKSEATER. Fat fingered the
"change" during final send spell check instead of "ignore" button. KABONG
----- Original Message -----
From: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Photo for presentation
> Dang ...and here I thought those were the foot pegs for the backs. KABONG
> Do Not Archive 8*)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "D.Bristol" <dbris200@sbcglobal.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "D.Bristol" <dbris200@sbcglobal.net>
>>
>> But us tailwheel people can tell just by the carma - well, the steps
>> help too!
>>
>> Dave B
>> -6, SoCal
>>
>> do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: Painting Class refid=0001.0A090202.4300CD4D.0074-A-, |
ip=209.107.238.85, so=2005-07-14 09:05:58, dmn=2005-05-20
17:56:59
autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.01, SUBJ_HAS_SPACES 0.64)
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mark/Micki Phillips" <mphill@gcctv.com>
Hey Phil, Youre welcome to use my Accuspray Issac HVLP or my Binks BBR high
pressure. Just let me know. I laid the canopy on the frame last night and am
trying to get the nerve to do a little cuttin, gasp!!!!!!!!!!!!! What'd ya
think of Oshkosh.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" <sisson@consolidated.net>
Subject: RV-List: Painting Class refid=0001.0A090202.4300CD4D.0074-A-,
ip=209.107.238.85, so=2005-07-14 09:05:58, dmn=2005-05-20 17:56:59
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club"
> <sisson@consolidated.net>
>
>
> Do not archive
>
> This could be an informative class for those who want to paint their
> plane and don't know where to start....
> http://www.devilbiss.com/pdf/training/training_2005.pdf
>
> I am looking into buying a paint gun. It is going to be a Devilbiss GFG
> 670 ot JGA 670. Does anyone on the list have experience with these guns
> that use "plus" technology? Which do you like best, the gravity or the
> suction version? Please reply direct (off list) with your ideas..
>
> I presently use MBC guns. I guess it is time I come into the 21st
> century on paint guns..
>
> Phil in Illinois
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tax question about personal use on company owned plane... |
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version=3.0.2
--> RV-List message posted by: "charlie heathco" <cheathco@gvtc.com>
Thats an easy one Matt, just dont turn inany time for personal use. Back in
the 70's when i was a computer equip fixer, thats what we did and the
company new about it. Charlie heathco
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Johnson" <matt@n559rv.com>
<socal-rvlist@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RV-List: Tax question about personal use on company owned plane...
(not processed: message from valid local sender)
--> RV-List message posted by: "Matt Johnson" <matt@n559rv.com>
Hopefully some of you can give me insight on this issue. My company just
bought an airplane as a benefit for me. I have to pay taxes for
personal use time. My question is this. How do you determine the amount that
an hour cost to determine how much I pay taxes on? If you
base it on the total cost of ownership, then I can get really screwed and it
is no benefit at all. If you base it on the cost of the plane flying
for 1 hour, it seems fair. But my accountant seems to think it is on the TCO
not the cost per hour to fly... If the plane cost $10,000 a year
for all expenses, and it flys 1 hour, is it normal for the company to put a
benefit of $10,000 on that employees paycheck as a benefit and
have them pay $5,000 (or whatever your tax rate is) for the honor of that
one hour of flight?
- Matt
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Overhaul Question |
version=3.0.2
--> RV-List message posted by: "charlie heathco" <cheathco@gvtc.com>
Richard sounds like you are in deep S. I can tell you that the front seal
was replaced with no lub on my cherokee by A&P . You seem to be in to deep,
save your butt and get help. charlie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Bibb" <rebibb@comcast.net>
Subject: RV-List: Engine Overhaul Question
--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard Bibb" <rebibb@comcast.net>
I have a few questions for the engine gurus out there. All pertain to a
Lycoming O-320-E2D.
1) What sort of sealer and/or lubricant do you use with the crankshaft nose
seal? The Overhaul Manual calls for Pliobond No.20 but I can't find the
stuff.
2) I got new bearings but am confused by the location of the holes for the
locator dowells in the Crankcase halfs. The dowels in the case halfs are
centered in the bottom of the journals but the holes in the bearing halves
are offset from the center. This doesn't look right yet the part numbers
are the correct part numbers. What am I missing here?
3) How does one reassemble one of these without the "Clylinder Hold Down
Any help and advice on putting the engine back together is appreciated.
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| Subject: | Re: Painting Class refid=0001.0A090202.4300CD4D.0074-A-, |
ip=209.107.238.85, so=2005-07-14 09:05:58, dmn=2005-05-20
17:56:59
refid=0001.0A090204.4302B32B.0008-A-,
ip=209.107.238.85,
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" <sisson@consolidated.net>
Mark/Micki Phillips wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Mark/Micki Phillips" <mphill@gcctv.com>
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>Hey Phil, Youre welcome to use my Accuspray Issac HVLP or my Binks BBR high
>pressure. Just let me know. I laid the canopy on the frame last night and am
>trying to get the nerve to do a little cuttin, gasp!!!!!!!!!!!!! What'd ya
>think of Oshkosh.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" <sisson@consolidated.net>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: Painting Class refid=0001.0A090202.4300CD4D.0074-A-,
>ip=209.107.238.85, so=2005-07-14 09:05:58, dmn=2005-05-20 17:56:59
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>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club"
>><sisson@consolidated.net>
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>>
>>Do not archive
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>>This could be an informative class for those who want to paint their
>>plane and don't know where to start....
>> http://www.devilbiss.com/pdf/training/training_2005.pdf
>>
>>I am looking into buying a paint gun. It is going to be a Devilbiss GFG
>>670 ot JGA 670. Does anyone on the list have experience with these guns
>>that use "plus" technology? Which do you like best, the gravity or the
>>suction version? Please reply direct (off list) with your ideas..
>>
>>I presently use MBC guns. I guess it is time I come into the 21st
>>century on paint guns..
>>
>>Phil in Illinois
>>
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I tried to call you up there and got no answer ......
I found a 180 engine for $8 K. It had 120 since major overhaul......
I would have loved to used those guns. I pissed away $400 on a GFG 670
devilbiss yesterday, along with some other accesories........
I am going to hang up my old conventional spray guns. The 670 is half
HVLP and half old conventional gun.
Well it is supposed to spray a lot like an HVLP with the feel of the
older guns, Guess I will see.
If it don't work out, Iwill put it on EBAY and get out the old guns.
They paint perfect, just too much over sparay for this day and age.......
Take small cuts so you dont go too far at one time... Oshkosh...... I
had a good time there. I went to Fond Du Lac every night to sing. I
found a great place with good sound. Singing starts at 6 pm and goes
until closing time. seven nights a week........ I was there every night
I was there....... I cant wait until next year. I am taking Marilyn up
in a month or so for a long week end... Will stay in a Hotel two blocks
away and bum around down town F' D' L' in the day time, lots of small
down town stores like there used to be, and sing at night.. I just
about have her ready to do a duet with me........ Once she sings in
front of a crowd, she will be hooked. It's like a shot of heroin in the
jugular vein....... You just can't get enough of it.......
Do you need help? say so.........
Phil
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| Subject: | Re: Painting Class refid=0001.0A090202.4300CD4D.0074-A-, |
ip=209.107.238.85, so=2005-07-14 09:05:58, dmn=2005-05-20
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refid=0001.0A090201.4302B5C6.0011-A-,
ip=209.107.238.85,
so=2005-07-14 09:05:58,
dmn=2005-05-20 17:56:59
--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" <sisson@consolidated.net>
Oooops sorry for the mis- posting to the list. I just did a reply and
never looked at the address........
Phil
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