---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 08/27/05: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:25 AM - Re: Nose vs. Tail (Kevin Horton) 2. 03:29 AM - Reno ticket available (Wernerworld) 3. 03:36 AM - Re: ventilated wheel fairing? (linn walters) 4. 04:24 AM - Re: ventilated wheel fairing? (Kyle Boatright) 5. 05:44 AM - Re: Nose vs. Tail (LarryRobertHelming) 6. 06:19 AM - Re: Nose vs. Tail (Ron Lee) 7. 07:37 AM - Re: Cowl Flap (Darrell Reiley) 8. 08:20 AM - Re: Nose vs. Tail (Chris W) 9. 08:34 AM - ICOM Radio Problems (Leland) 10. 09:20 AM - Re: Exit air smoothing (Larry Olson) 11. 09:53 PM - Garmin GPS III pilot problem (Bobby Hester) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:25:43 AM PST US From: Kevin Horton Subject: Re: RV-List: Nose vs. Tail --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton On 27 Aug 2005, at 01:56, Robin Marks wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Robin Marks" > > RV-List, > > I am considering an 8A vs. an 8 and am conflicted about > the > direction I should take. I know a fair amount about the tail dragger > -4's however I would like some input about the tri-gear offered by > Vans, > especially in relation to the 8A. I have a small amount of time in > a 7A > and found it to be typical; is there anything I should be considering > when choosing between the two (8/8A). Let me add that the tail wheel > version definitely looks sexier (IMO) however I see no need to > complicate flying by going for the tail wheel version when there is a > perfectly good solution available. I ask because recently someone > mentioned that the nose wheel is easy to bend out of shape on the > vans. > Not sure what data supports that but hitting something hard is > always a > good way to do that in any plane. > There have been several accidents of RV-6As and RV-8As where the nose gear bent, leading to a loss of control on the runway. Van's nose gear design isn't as strong as see on typical spam cans, so it can't take as much abuse. The aircraft needs to be landed on the main gear first. If you touchdown at too high a speed you might hit nose gear first and put too much load on it, causing it to bend and collapse. Each model has its strengths and weaknesses. Build the one you want, not the one that other people think you should want. Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit) Ottawa, Canada http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:29:07 AM PST US From: "Wernerworld" "mk" , "Cameron Kurth" Subject: RV-List: Reno ticket available --> RV-List message posted by: "Wernerworld" I have a Reno ticket for sale cheap. I paid over $600 for the box seat and Chairman's Club. I have another commitment making it impossible for me to go. The box seat is in a friends box, but gives you access to ALL the box seating areas. Your Box seat pass also gives you pit passes for the entire event. As a member of the Chairman's Club, you are able to enter and leave the Club as often as you wish. Food (including hot entrees) and beverages (including a full-service bar) are available all day at no additional charge for members. The Club has a covered area (one of the few spots to escape the sun at Reno) with an excellent view of show center and the home pylon. This is also where many of the competitors eat lunch, as it is included in their entry. This is always sold out early and the best spot to hang out at Reno! $400 or best offer. Russ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:36:39 AM PST US From: linn walters Subject: Re: RV-List: ventilated wheel fairing? --> RV-List message posted by: linn walters Well, I never heard of it. But, think a little .... the most heat is generated on the ground taxiing, and there's not a whole lot of air going through those slots until you fly ...... bit the heats already been generated. I do know of a couple of fires that have been started on plastic airplanes with Fglas gear, all on the ground. Linn do not archive sarg314 wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: sarg314 > >A friend of mine who is building a Varieze made a comment today about >ventilating a wheel fairing to aid in cooling the brakes. The idea >would be to cut a few horizontal slits an inch or two long in the top of >the fairing aft of the wheel. I've never heard of this being done. >Sounds like it might work, though. > >Has any one ever seen or heard of a ventilated wheel fairing? >-- >Tom Sargent >RV-6A, cowling. > > > > -- ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:24:04 AM PST US From: "Kyle Boatright" Subject: Re: RV-List: ventilated wheel fairing? --> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" ----- Original Message ----- From: "sarg314" Subject: RV-List: ventilated wheel fairing? > --> RV-List message posted by: sarg314 > > A friend of mine who is building a Varieze made a comment today about > ventilating a wheel fairing to aid in cooling the brakes. The idea > would be to cut a few horizontal slits an inch or two long in the top of > the fairing aft of the wheel. I've never heard of this being done. > Sounds like it might work, though. > > Has any one ever seen or heard of a ventilated wheel fairing? > -- > Tom Sargent > RV-6A, cowling. > In the days when the the EZ was *the* homebuilt, there were a variety of brake problems caused by overheating. Rutan had gone with relatively small brakes, and they got pretty hot sometimes. Occasionally, there was enough heat to transfer from the metal axle into the fiberglass gear leg and cause the gear leg to either fail or develop a permanant sag. Ventilating the wheel pants was one of the fixes to the problem. KB ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:44:19 AM PST US From: "LarryRobertHelming" Subject: Re: RV-List: Nose vs. Tail --> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" Here we go again? Hope not. Hope this is not too biased to elicit equal time from the other world. do not archive SERIOUSLY.................. I suggest you read the mostly unbiased article by Budd Davisson on flying both type planes. http://www.airbum.com/articles/ArticleTailwheelTraining.html I am a low time pilot who started flying at the age of 56 when I retired from banking. After attending one of Budd's Oshkosh forums/seminars on Landing the Tailwheeler about 5 years ago, I ordered and built an RV7 having never flown a tailwheeler before. Budd made it sound reasonably easy and with good, adequate training, I am living proof IT IS !! I did my endorsement TW training work in a Cessna 140 which is, in my opinion, a good tail wheel trainer but does not have a stick and for that reason a Catabria would be better if I were doing it again. Additionally, a friend with an RV6 let me handle the stick and rudder controls from the right seat. I have flown my RV7 over 50 hours and over a hundred landings and takeoffs. Am I biased? Yes! Would I do it again? Did I say I am biased!? Before you make your decision, I suggest you take a lesson or two in a tailwheel. Best wishes Robin. Indiana Larry, RV7 Tip Up Flying 60 Hours ----- Original Message ----- > --> RV-List message posted by: "Robin Marks" > > RV-List, > > I am considering an 8A vs. an 8 and am conflicted about the > direction I should take. I know a fair amount about the tail dragger > -4's however I would like some input about the tri-gear offered by Vans, > especially in relation to the 8A. I have a small amount of time in a 7A > and found it to be typical; is there anything I should be considering > when choosing between the two (8/8A). Let me add that the tail wheel > version definitely looks sexier (IMO) however I see no need to > complicate flying by going for the tail wheel version when there is a > perfectly good solution available. I ask because recently someone > mentioned that the nose wheel is easy to bend out of shape on the vans. > Not sure what data supports that but hitting something hard is always a > good way to do that in any plane. > > Thanks in advance for your contribution. > > > Mr. Moisture > > RV-4 > > 200 hours > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:19:07 AM PST US From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: RV-List: Nose vs. Tail --> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee Since you are apparently competent in taildraggers you should build what you can fly competently and like (as Kevin stated). If people are landing on the nose gear that is pilot error. Ron Lee ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:37:21 AM PST US From: Darrell Reiley Subject: Re: RV-List: Cowl Flap --> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley No hot start problems at all? Bob wrote: --> RV-List message posted by: Bob >Has anyone had the thought of installing cowl flaps in the engine cowling >for cooling in an RV with fuel injection? I have an RV 6 with fuel injection. No need for additional cooling. Now if cowl flaps added additional heating I might be interested. In winter I have the oil cooler 90% blocked off, in the summer it is about 40%. Now cowl flaps maybe useful if you reduced the cowl intake by about 50% (a rough guess). There is considerable info and debate in the achieves on this subject. Bob RV6 NightFighter --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:20:10 AM PST US From: Chris W <1qazxsw23edcvfr45tgbnhy67ujm@cox.net> Subject: Re: RV-List: Nose vs. Tail --> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <1qazxsw23edcvfr45tgbnhy67ujm@cox.net> I think what the OP really wanted was not tail vs nose dragger general discussion but one as it specifically relates to the -8. One thing that I have read is that the tail dragger has the large gear towers that invade the cockpit space and may be uncomfortable against your legs. The only way to know if that is going to be a problem for any given person is to get in one and see. I think if you go with a slow build fuse the gear towers also make the -8 harder to build than the -8A. From everything I have read, out side the gear tower thing, it is just the typical tail vs nose dragger arguments. -- Chris W Gift Giving Made Easy Get the gifts you want & give the gifts they want http://thewishzone.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:34:22 AM PST US From: Leland Subject: RV-List: ICOM Radio Problems --> RV-List message posted by: Leland I recently purchased an ICOM A24 transceiver. Opening the box I found that it was made in Japan, for a pleasant change. After a few days of playing with it and calling ICOM technical support three times I learned the following: 1. Even though the A24 comes with a Headset Adapter, it does not include a remote pushbutton for transmission. Some of the vendors sell this as a $30 option, or you can solder together a Radio Shack 1/8" monaural jack and momentary on-switch. Some of the earlier ICOM pushbuttons use a different format and do not work in the A24 headset adapter. 2. If you plug in the headset and push the transmit button on the A24 itself, both the A24 microphone and the headset mic are activated, and the radio broadcasts a horrible scream since the two units "talk" to each other. (This is one way to get the control tower's attention.) 3. If you activate the remote headset pushbutton mentioned in number 1 above, you may transmit another horrible hum. The problem is that about half the headsets sold today show this problem. Both my ANR and non-ANR headsets have this problem. The problem arises when RF from the rubber-ducky antenna is picked up by a nearby headset. One way around this is to use a remote antenna, such as that on the outside of the aircraft. Another other solution is to buy a clamp-on RF filter (containing ferrite beads) from a vendor like http://www.allpointsdist.com/ . Leland Collins RV9A N137LC ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:20:02 AM PST US From: Larry Olson Subject: Re: RV-List: Exit air smoothing --> RV-List message posted by: Larry Olson Talk to the guys at Show Planes, Medford, OR (the guys that make the 8 fast back conversion) http://showplanes.com I didn't see it on their web site but they are making them. Very good group of guys. Big into making your RV fast. Larry Olson RV6 Phoenix DVT At 01:02 PM 8/26/2005, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com > > >Listers: > >I'm building a -6a, but trying to incorporate as many new mods as possible >from the -7a's. I understand there is an air-smoothing roll-type >thing at the >bottom of the firewall where the cowling air exits above the stacks. Does >anyone know the part number and plan # that shows this? If so, >would be much >appreciated... > >Jerry Cochran >Wilsonville, OR >RV6a one flying, one *finishing* > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:53:59 PM PST US From: Bobby Hester Subject: RV-List: Garmin GPS III pilot problem --> RV-List message posted by: Bobby Hester I've got a Garmin GPS III pilot that has decided to stop receiving satellite signals. 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