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1. 12:05 AM - Re: RV-4 Checklist (Derrick Aubuchon)
2. 02:05 AM - Re: Re: Anyone Know The Story Behind This Crash? (RAS)
3. 02:05 AM - Re: Re: Anyone Know The Story Behind This Crash? (RAS)
4. 04:59 AM - Re: silicone or proseal release agent (Steve Eberhart)
5. 05:49 AM - Re: silicone or proseal release agent (Dale Ensing)
6. 06:04 AM - Re: Bellcrank washers (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
7. 06:52 AM - Re: RV-4 Checklist (REGAES@aol.com)
8. 07:10 AM - Acetone as fuel additive? (Brian Denk)
9. 07:27 AM - Formation Videos back in stock (Aircraft Technical Book Company)
10. 07:57 AM - RV-8 canopy skirt (Kevin Shannon)
11. 08:31 AM - Re: Acetone as fuel additive? (Ed Anderson)
12. 08:59 AM - Re: RV-4 Checklist (Derrick Aubuchon)
13. 09:30 AM - Re: Acetone as fuel additive? (Tim Olson)
14. 01:42 PM - Re: Acetone as fuel additive? (UFOBUCK@aol.com)
15. 02:22 PM - Re: Acetone as fuel additive? (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
16. 03:15 PM - Re: Acetone as fuel additive? (PJ Seipel)
17. 04:24 PM - Re: Acetone as fuel additive? (Brian Denk)
18. 05:20 PM - Flying RV-6 FOR SALE (Robert E. Lynch)
19. 05:36 PM - RV-8A FOR SALE (Robert E. Lynch)
20. 08:44 PM - Re: Re: Anyone Know The Story Behind This Crash? (Dean Van Winkle)
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| Subject: | Re: RV-4 Checklist |
--> RV-List message posted by: Derrick Aubuchon <n184da@volcano.net>
Robin,
I made checklists that fit on both sides of an standard, letter-size
(8 1/2 x 11) page, which I then laminated as thick as possible.
"Stole" this idea from some airlines who cram all of the basic B-737
checklists on the same space,, so I figure if a B737 checklist will
fit, then I should not have a problem with an RV-4!
Works great. Simple, easy to find, and no pages to fumble with.
If you are curious, I can send you a file off list.
Regards,,
Derrick L. Aubuchon
RV-4: N184DA
Jackson/Westover -Amador County (O70)
n184da@volcano.net
On Aug 30, 2005, at 12:46 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Robin Marks" <robin@mrmoisture.com>
>
> Does anyone have a -4 check list handy? I am creating one from scratch
> and am not 100% about some of the speeds etc... Having a guide would
> definitely help. Email or Fax would be great.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Robin
>
> RV-4
>
> 200 Hours
>
>
> Robin@MrMoisture.com
>
> 805-541-9517 Fax
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone Know The Story Behind This Crash? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RAS" <deruiteraircraftservices@btinternet.com>
The impact area would be very small as the aircraft hit almost vertical.
M
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Lee" <ronlee@pcisys.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Anyone Know The Story Behind This Crash?
> --> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
>
>
>>You know, I've covered a lot of plane crashes in my business. I've never
>>seen one quite like this where there is NO debris outside an almost
>>perfectly circular ring of fire (that is, itself, quite concentrated).
>
> If you look at the 737 that crashed in Fountain CO in the 90s the impact
> area
> was very small.
>
> Ron Lee
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone Know The Story Behind This Crash? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RAS" <deruiteraircraftservices@btinternet.com>
Are you one of these conspiry people? in that case it could have been staged
inside universal studios, couldn't it?
Look at the date this accident happened, the digital camera had not been
invented yet I think.............
M
----- Original Message -----
From: <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Anyone Know The Story Behind This Crash?
> --> RV-List message posted by: bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net
>
> Oh, one other thing. Again, check the props. Video can't shoot props
> right. I'm sure you've all seen video of a REAL prop. The frame rate of
> the camera or film "freezes" the prop and creates -- momentarily -- a
> strobe effect.
>
> Push pause at any point in this "film." See the props. They stay the same.
> Nice smooth renditions of what a prop would look like on flight simulator.
> If this had been actual video, you would be able to get at least one
> section of the prop circle that was more defined than another.
>
> You will also note, especially if you freeze the presentation on impact,
> that the debris is instantly -- once you get past the convenient shot of
> the ground...replaced by the fire, which is already blazing. Moreover, the
> smoke is already well into the sky.
>
> Under a typical timetable, you'd have been able to see the top of the
> smoke cloud. But you don't, indicating that the fire had been burning
> longer than the split-second the video would have you believe..
>
> Do not archive
> -------------- Original message --------------
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "flynlow"
>>
>> My two cents:
>>
>> If you stop the video and look closely at the aircraft the windows on the
>> cockpit are painted black. The landing gear does not look right. I do not
>> see any door on the side of the aircraft, etc. I believe it is a very
>> large
>> model and not a real aircraft. There may have been a real aircraft that
>> crashed in the same manner on the date indicated, however I believe the
>> video is a fake.
>>
>
> Oh, one other thing. Again, check the props. Video can't shoot props
> right. I'm sure you've all seen video of a REAL prop. The frame rate of
> the camera or film "freezes" the prop and creates -- momentarily -- a
> strobe effect.
>
> Push pause at any point in this "film." See the props. They stay the same.
> Nice smooth renditions of what a prop would look like on flight simulator.
> If this had been actual video, you would be able to get at least one
> section of the prop circle that was more defined than another.
>
> You will also note, especially if you freeze the presentation on impact,
> that the debris is instantly -- once you get past the convenient shot of
> the ground...replaced by the fire, which is already blazing. Moreover, the
> smoke is already well into the sky.
>
> Under a typical timetable, you'd have been able to see the top of the
> smoke cloud. But you don't, indicating that the fire had been burning
> longer than the split-second the video would have you believe..
>
> Do not archive
> -------------- Original message --------------
>
> -- RV-List message posted by: "flynlow" <FLYNLOW@USAVIATOR.NET>
>
> My two cents:
>
> If you stop the video and look closely at the aircraft the windows on the
> cockpit are painted black. The landing gear does not look right. I do not
> see any door on the side of the aircraft, etc. I believe it is a very
> large
> model and not a real aircraft. There may have been a real aircraft that
> crashed in the same manner on the date indicated, however I believe the
> video is a fake.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: silicone or proseal release agent |
--> RV-List message posted by: Steve Eberhart <steve@newtech.com>
Vanremog@aol.com wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com
>
>
> In a message dated 8/30/2005 8:36:18 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> steve@newtech.com writes:
>
> If you are ever considering painting your plane, I would keep all
> silicon products out of the hanger. Silicon and paint just don't like
> to get along together.
>
>
> ===============================
>
> Then how come you can easily paint over sand (virtually 100% silicon)? And
> I defy you to keep it out of your hangar.
>
> GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 758hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)
You are right. I made three mistakes. I mistakenly left the "e" off of
silicone when I replied, I was thinking of silicone spray rather than
silicone caulking and I replied to a posting on the RV-LIST. Three
strikes and you are out.
By guys,
Steve Eberhart
RV-7A, fuselage kit ships October 24th
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| Subject: | Re: silicone or proseal release agent |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
I made three mistakes. I replied to a posting on the RV-LIST. Three
strikes and you are out.
Steve-
I do know the feeling...Sorry. However, I was trying to be helpful in my
reply to your posting...as others have been for me in the past. The reason I
stay on this list is for information sharing. It helped me when I was
building and still does.
Good luck with your 7A.
Dale Ensing TC & FA
RV-6A N118DE
do not archive
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| Subject: | Bellcrank washers |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
Hmm, steel plated eh. I'm guessing they are all steel. ;-) The bearings are
made from a steel so you don't want to put aluminum up against it because there
is a better than average chance they will wear. With aluminum being much softer
the chance of wear will go up greatly compared to steel on steel.
Use stainless as Jim suggested or just make sure they have an adequate coating
of a rust inhibitor like ACF, grease, or CorrosionX.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Wing LE's
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Collins
Subject: RV-List: Bellcrank washers
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
Now that we've moved past the black helicopters, I'd like to return to building
RVs for just a minute.
There are washer callouts for the elevator bellcrank assembly. These are 5702-95-30,
which are used in the event of a bearing failure.
I believe these are STEEL plated. But I notice in fitting them today that they
rust fairly easily. I've stored mine in a plastic case since March and given a
fairly humid summer in fly-over country, they've already started to rust.
I'd rather not put these on my plane.
Is there a reason why stell-plated washers are used here rather than, say, an anodized
aluminum washer/
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| Subject: | Re: RV-4 Checklist |
--> RV-List message posted by: REGAES@aol.com
If you don't mind Derrick, I would also like a copy of your checklist. I have
been adding items to mine for quite a while now and possibly your list is
more complete.
Thanks a lot!
CLYDE SEAGER
RV-4 N28CS
245 hr.
Pensacola,Fl.
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| Subject: | Acetone as fuel additive? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
This was the subject of discussion today at work. Sure sounds promising.
One of my coworkers is trying it out in his late 80's GMC 1500 Sierra.
Might work in our Lycosaurs? Any way we can improve combustion of that
liquid gold sounds great to me.
http://pesn.com/2005/03/17/6900069_Acetone/
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
RV10 '51
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| Subject: | Formation Videos back in stock |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Aircraft Technical Book Company" <winterland@rkymtnhi.com>
The Formation Flying instructional videos are now back in stock. My
apologies to all who have been waiting for these. All backorders are going
out today.
Thanks for your patience,
Andy Gold
Builder's Bookstore
http://www.buildersbooks.com/flying_skills_sport.htm
800 780-4115
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| Subject: | RV-8 canopy skirt |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kevin Shannon" <kshannon@seanet.com>
I agree Rich, all you can do with the RV-8 canopy skirt is cut it up and
use it for parts to lay up your own.
Kevin Shannon
200 HP -8
68 hours
The canopy skirt on the "8" is a pain. I fit mine the best I could and
then
started cutting. I used a 2" cutting wheel in a die grinder and spilt
the
skirt in two at the back and horizontally near the top in the radius
area
forward about two feet from the rear. I also had to cut vertically at
the
bottom of the curve where it starts the straight bottom edge going
forward.
Basically you cleco it down where it fits and cut where you have to get
the
best fit. Put wax paper against the fuselage and using fiberglass paste
it
back together while taping it against the fuselage, then, when setup,
fiberglass the back side. Then sand and file and sand and fill and
grind
and sand and when you fly your wife will still complain about cold air
coming forward from the back. Give her a towel to put back there to
stop it
and do a roll, it won't stop the air coming in, the towel does that, but
you'll feel better. The cold air doesn't get up to you anyway.
Rich Crosley
N948RC RV-8 80 hours
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| Subject: | Re: Acetone as fuel additive? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
I'd be a bit concerned about what Acetone might do to the fuel tank sealant
as well as fuel line seals/gaskets/grommets.
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
Subject: RV-List: Acetone as fuel additive?
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>
> This was the subject of discussion today at work. Sure sounds promising.
> One of my coworkers is trying it out in his late 80's GMC 1500 Sierra.
> Might work in our Lycosaurs? Any way we can improve combustion of that
> liquid gold sounds great to me.
>
> http://pesn.com/2005/03/17/6900069_Acetone/
>
> Brian Denk
> RV8 N94BD
> RV10 '51
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-4 Checklist |
--> RV-List message posted by: Derrick Aubuchon <n184da@volcano.net>
Hello Clyde,
These are the front and back images of the card.
Derrick L. Aubuchon
RV-4: N184DA
Jackson/Westover -Amador County (O70)
n184da@volcano.net
On Aug 31, 2005, at 6:48 AM, REGAES@aol.com wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: REGAES@aol.com
>
> If you don't mind Derrick, I would also like a copy of your
> checklist. I have
> been adding items to mine for quite a while now and possibly your
> list is
> more complete.
>
> Thanks a lot!
>
> CLYDE SEAGER
> RV-4 N28CS
> 245 hr.
> Pensacola,Fl.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Acetone as fuel additive? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Hmmmmm....
Think through it a little further though Brian. It increases the
ability of the fuel to vaporize.... That's exactly what you don't
want in the Lycoming IO's, and is exactly what leads to hot
start problems. One of the benefits to AVgas over MOgas is the
lower vaporization, if I'm not mistaken, and I *think* you'll
find a higher effect at altitude regarding the same.
Sounds like a bad idea for aviation, to me.....but, I'm not at
all an expert on this. The time where it would help would be
during very cold sub-zero winter starts, but methinks you don't have
many of those where you are.
Tim Olson -- RV-10
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Brian Denk wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>
> This was the subject of discussion today at work. Sure sounds promising.
> One of my coworkers is trying it out in his late 80's GMC 1500 Sierra.
> Might work in our Lycosaurs? Any way we can improve combustion of that
> liquid gold sounds great to me.
>
> http://pesn.com/2005/03/17/6900069_Acetone/
>
> Brian Denk
> RV8 N94BD
> RV10 '51
>
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| Subject: | Re: Acetone as fuel additive? |
--> RV-List message posted by: UFOBUCK@aol.com
In a message dated 08/31/2005 9:17:05 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
akroguy@hotmail.com writes:
_http://pesn.com/2005/03/17/6900069_Acetone/_
(http://pesn.com/2005/03/17/6900069_Acetone/)
Brian-
You know what really bothers me about this article ?? When I open the
referenced site, I see a header that says " Pantone out on
Bail.........................." and then I go to that article and find out that
he is under
indictment for investor fraud. Where there is smoke there is fire.
This is snake oil !!!!!!
They are wanting to sell that Scan "Guage" as it is shown on page 10 of 11.
BClary
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| Subject: | Acetone as fuel additive? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
Hmm, I don't see the connection. That article is unrelated and the site reports
on various energy news items which is apparently where this Pantone character
came in.
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of UFOBUCK@aol.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: Acetone as fuel additive?
--> RV-List message posted by: UFOBUCK@aol.com
In a message dated 08/31/2005 9:17:05 A.M. Central Daylight Time, akroguy@hotmail.com
writes:
_http://pesn.com/2005/03/17/6900069_Acetone/_
(http://pesn.com/2005/03/17/6900069_Acetone/)
Brian-
You know what really bothers me about this article ?? When I open the
referenced site, I see a header that says " Pantone out on Bail.........................."
and then I go to that article and find out that he is under indictment
for investor fraud. Where there is smoke there is fire.
This is snake oil !!!!!!
They are wanting to sell that Scan "Guage" as it is shown on page 10 of 11.
BClary
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| Subject: | Re: Acetone as fuel additive? |
--> RV-List message posted by: PJ Seipel <seipel@seznam.cz>
I agree. One of the links is to a directory for "Fuel Saving
Technologies". Just so happens this month's Popular Mechanics magazine
tested several of them. None that were tested had any positive impact
on fuel economy, several had negative, one caught on fire, and one was
so poorly constructed they did not use it because they feared it would
be sucked into the engine and damage it.
One of his first statements is that "Complete vaporization of fuel is
far from perfect in today's cars and trucks." This is untrue. Fact is
that your engine burns about 99% of the fuel delivered to it. Best you
can do is 100%, so if you improve combustion by 1% that equates to 1%
better fuel economy. His numbers don't add up.
PJ
UFOBUCK@aol.com wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: UFOBUCK@aol.com
>
>In a message dated 08/31/2005 9:17:05 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
>akroguy@hotmail.com writes:
>
>_http://pesn.com/2005/03/17/6900069_Acetone/_
>(http://pesn.com/2005/03/17/6900069_Acetone/)
>
>Brian-
>
>You know what really bothers me about this article ?? When I open the
>referenced site, I see a header that says " Pantone out on
>Bail.........................." and then I go to that article and find out that
he is under
>indictment for investor fraud. Where there is smoke there is fire.
>
>This is snake oil !!!!!!
>
>They are wanting to sell that Scan "Guage" as it is shown on page 10 of 11.
>
>BClary
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Acetone as fuel additive? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>_http://pesn.com/2005/03/17/6900069_Acetone/_
>(http://pesn.com/2005/03/17/6900069_Acetone/)
>
>Brian-
>
>You know what really bothers me about this article ?? When I open the
>referenced site, I see a header that says " Pantone out on
>Bail.........................." and then I go to that article and find out
>that he is under
>indictment for investor fraud. Where there is smoke there is fire.
>
>This is snake oil !!!!!!
>
>They are wanting to sell that Scan "Guage" as it is shown on page 10 of 11.
>
>BClary
Interesting indeed! Nothing is ever as it seems, but one must keep an open
mind. Lots of discussions going on on the web from those who swear it
works, those who swear at it, and those who just like to swear.
The guy at work who is trying it out will be reporting his results in a few
weeks. For the volatility reasons mentioned, it's not suitable for our
Lyco's. I forgot about that little issue! My engine is carbureted and the
vapor lock boogey man has never come to visit. I rather doubt it would
cause any issues, as the recommended ratio is 3 oz acetone to 10 gallons
gas. But, it's not worth adding another unknown to the aviation risk
factor. We have enough already.
Thanks for the great feedback folks.
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
RV10 '51
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| Subject: | Flying RV-6 FOR SALE |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Robert E. Lynch" <rv6lynch@earthlink.net>
RV-6 N757L $75,000
475 hrs. TT Engine, Prop and Airframe since New, Always Hangered,
Sensenich Fixed-Pitch Prop 86", 0-360-A1A (180 hp) new from AeroSport
Aviation (Bart & Sue), RMI Engine Monitor, 60Amp ExpBUS, Dual Brakes, LASER
Electronic Ignition (both mags)(EZ Start!!), Reiff Engine Pre-Heat, King
KX-155, KI-209 CDI, KLX-135 GPS/COM, KT-76 Transponder,TruTrak DigiTrak
AutoPilot, RST Audio Panel, Marker Beacon, AmeriKing ELT and Canopy Cover.
Robert Lynch 573-893-2291 rv6lynch@earthlink.net
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Robert E. Lynch" <rv6lynch@earthlink.net>
. AVAILABLE FOR SALE . New RV-8A. Under Construction, Available in 2 months or
less, (just add your own paint scheme!). IO-360-B1B (180hp), Hartzell Constant-speed
prop, electric trim and flaps, PMA Audio Panel, GLC-250XL GPS/COM, Garmin
327 Transponder, TruTrak Autopilot w/Alt hold, RMI engine monitor. Built by
professional RV builder. . Contact Robert Lynch - located Jefferson City, MO
USA . Telephone: 573-893-2291 . $91,000
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Dean Van Winkle" <dvanwinkle@royell.net>
Marty and others
The Caribou was not turbine powered. It had two Pratt and Whitney R-2000
piston engines of 1,450 shp each. The later Buffalo had turboprops and a T
tail.
Dean Van Winkle
RV-9A Fuselage/Finish
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marty" <martorious@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Anyone Know The Story Behind This Crash?
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Marty" <martorious@earthlink.net>
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> My notes are spliced into the reply below...
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> Marty in Indiana
> RV-8A Preview plans in Hand
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
>>server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net
>>Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 2:18 PM
>>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Anyone Know The Story Behind This Crash?
>>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net
>>
>>>
>>> It is was a real airplane (de Havilland DHC-4 Caribou), It happened
>>in Canada on
>>> date indicated, aircraft took off for a test flight, three people
>>died, OK.
>>
>>You know, I've covered a lot of plane crashes in my business. I've
>>never seen one quite like this where there is NO debris outside an
>>almost perfectly circular ring of fire (that is, itself, quite
>>concentrated).
>
> Given that the plane crashes almost straight down at a relatively slow
> velocity, I wouldn't expect a large debris field.
>
>
>>
>>Given the other artifacts of this film as already outlined, it's
>>hard to conclude it's real, especially since they haven't been
>>explained by anyone who insists it's real. There's no way -- no way
>>-- the movement of the propellors, for example, is captured perfectly
>>and smoothly by the video camera.
>
> As far as the propeller is concerned, you would only see the strobe
> effect if the rpm of the prop was close to a harmonic of the frame
> rate of the video camera so that each frame caught the prop at or near
> the same location. If however each frame caught the prop at an odd
> position, relative to the last frame, say 25 degrees, where sequential
> frames would not overlap the previous image, you would only see a
> slight blur where the prop is, as we see in this video.
>
>>
>>Look inside the cockpit when the plane goes by. It's daylight. You
>>should be able to see the light out the windshield. You don't.
>
> Considering the height of the cockpit relative to the viewpoint, and
> what appears to be a fairly wide bodied plane I wouldn't expect to see
> sunshine, however, if you look close, just as it rotates, you can see
> some sunshine through the forward windscreen. Also someone else
> mentioned earlier that there were no windows in the sides, however
> right after rotation you can see light shining through the side
> windows as they line up with the windows on the opposite side.
>
>>
>>Do you see any exhaust coming out the back of the engines? Nope.
>
> Considering the low quality of the video, and the fact that these were
> new turbines, I'm not surprised that the exhaust would be
> indiscernible
>
>>
>>I'm sure there really was an accident on this day and it may well be
>>the one that has been claimed. But it's unlikely this is the video of
>>it.
>
> I disagree, I think this video is very authentic, to much texture and
> detail (camera shake) to be faked (at least without Pixar studios and
> a big budget). As far as the guys comments at the end, I agree that
> they sound cold and distant, but different people react differently to
> tragedies. Maybe this guy was really a true a**hole at heart.
>>
>>Do not archive
>>
>
>
>
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