RV-List Digest Archive

Thu 09/01/05


Total Messages Posted: 41



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 01:21 AM - Wire marking labels (owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com)
     2. 04:16 AM - Re: Wire marking labels (Tim Olson)
     3. 04:21 AM - FW: Aviation Laboratories, has temporarily closed the New Orleans (Kenner) (Dean Pichon)
     4. 05:06 AM - Fw: Fall Classic RV Fly-in (John Mcmahon)
     5. 05:09 AM - Super 8 performance data (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
     6. 05:51 AM - Re: Super 8 performance data (John Huft)
     7. 06:05 AM - Re: Wire marking labels (Trainnut01@AOL.COM)
     8. 06:12 AM - Re: Super 8 performance data (WFACT01@aol.com)
     9. 06:24 AM - Re: Super 8 performance data autolearn=unavailable version=3.0.3 (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
    10. 07:07 AM - Engine for sale (Jason Newburg)
    11. 07:13 AM - Re: Wire marking labels (dsvs@comcast.net)
    12. 07:16 AM - Re: Super 8 performance data (RGray67968@aol.com)
    13. 07:33 AM - Re: Super 8 performance data autolearn=unavailable version=3.0.3 (Bob J)
    14. 07:33 AM - Re: Wire marking labels (Richard Tasker)
    15. 08:21 AM - Re: Engine for sale (N901DT)
    16. 08:27 AM - Double Eagle NM RV Fly-in, 8-9 Oct 2005 (Ron Lee)
    17. 08:30 AM - Re: Re: Anyone Know The Story Behind This Crash? (Rob Prior (rv7))
    18. 08:49 AM - Re: Engine for sale (Jason Newburg)
    19. 08:58 AM - Re: Wire marking labels (D Paul Deits)
    20. 09:31 AM - Re: Wire marking labels (Walter Tondu)
    21. 09:44 AM - RV building toward A&P license (Eric Parlow)
    22. 10:38 AM - Re: Wire marking labels (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
    23. 11:30 AM - Re: Wire marking labels (James H Nelson)
    24. 11:31 AM - Re: Engine for sale (Pat Hatch)
    25. 11:59 AM - Re: Wire marking labels (John Danielson)
    26. 11:59 AM - Re: Wire marking labels (John Danielson)
    27. 12:21 PM - Re: Wire marking labels (Mickey Coggins)
    28. 01:08 PM - Re: Wire marking labels (Dwight Frye)
    29. 01:50 PM - Re: Anyone Know The Story Behind This Crash? (proof) ()
    30. 04:50 PM - Re: Re: Anyone Know The Story Behind This Crash? (proof) (bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net)
    31. 05:58 PM - Motivation for builders (Alex Peterson)
    32. 06:40 PM - Re: Motivation for builders (Allen Fulmer)
    33. 07:22 PM - Re: RV-8A FOR SALE (Jamie Painter)
    34. 07:27 PM - Which spark plug? (Ed Bundy)
    35. 07:28 PM - Trutrak ADI Internal GPS (Sherri & Paul Richardson)
    36. 07:45 PM - Re: Engine for sale (William Gill)
    37. 08:01 PM - Re: RV building toward A&P license (wskimike)
    38. 08:07 PM - Garmin 396 (Very Long) (Larry Pardue)
    39. 08:39 PM - Re: Motivation for builders (Rob Prior (rv7))
    40. 09:54 PM - Re: Motivation for builders (Richard E. Tasker)
    41. 11:52 PM - Re: Wire marking labels (owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com)
 
 
 


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    Time: 01:21:20 AM PST US
    From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
    Subject: Wire marking labels
    --> RV-List message posted by: Just purchased a Dymo Rhino5000 =96 great little machine for printing labels. The really neat part is that you can purchase 6mm & 9mm yellow shrink wrap tubing to print on. Printing can be wrap around the shrink wrap horizontally or vertically, print sizes from extra small (really very very small) to very large (limit would be half the tubes circumference. Got it from labelcity.com =96 good prices, fast delivery. This solution is obviously costlier than using transparent shrink wrap on paper standard printer labels but what a great time saver, and a professional looking job to. I thought I=92d contribute this tidbit. Michele Delsol RV8 fuselage


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    Time: 04:16:09 AM PST US
    From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
    Subject: Re: Wire marking labels
    --> RV-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> Without having to dig up wire dimensions, how does 6mm & 9mm translate into AWG sizes? Will this label #22 and #20, as well as #10 wires in Tefzel? Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170 DO NOT ARCHIVE owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: > > Just purchased a Dymo Rhino5000 =96 great little machine for printing labels. > The really neat part is that you can purchase 6mm & 9mm yellow shrink wrap > tubing to print on. Printing can be wrap around the shrink wrap horizontally > or vertically, print sizes from extra small (really very very small) to very > large (limit would be half the tubes circumference. Got it from > labelcity.com =96 good prices, fast delivery. > > > This solution is obviously costlier than using transparent shrink wrap on > paper standard printer labels but what a great time saver, and a > professional looking job to. > > > I thought I=92d contribute this tidbit. > > > Michele Delsol > > RV8 fuselage >


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    Time: 04:21:25 AM PST US
    From: "Dean Pichon" <deanpichon@msn.com>
    Subject: FW: Aviation Laboratories, has temporarily closed the New Orleans
    (Kenner) facility --> RV-List message posted by: "Dean Pichon" <deanpichon@msn.com> This may interest those who use Aviation Laboratories for oil analysis. ----Original Message Follows---- From: Aviation Laboratories <mailserver@avlab.com> Subject: Aviation Laboratories, has temporarily closed the New Orleans (Kenner) facility Aviation Laboratories, a leading provider of laboratory services, has been forced to temporarily close their New Orleans (Kenner) facility due to Hurricane Katrina. Although the laboratory suffered only minimal damage from the hurricane (at 5' elevation it is a high point in Kenner and will not flood), there are no water or power services to the area and laboratory personnel are under mandatory evacuation orders, so the laboratory has been temporarily closed. For those Aviation Laboratories customers who sent samples to the Kenner facility last week, please contact Aviation Laboratories so they can track the shipment. For those Aviation Laboratories customers who are sending samples, please send them to the Houston laboratory at Aviation Laboratories, 5401 Mitchelldale Street, Suite B6, Houston, Texas 77092. If you have any questions or require additional information, please contact Aviation Laboratories at 800-256-6876 or sales@avlab.com. If you know of anyone who may not have received this email message but uses Aviation Laboratories for their laboratory services, please pass this message along to them.


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    Time: 05:06:01 AM PST US
    From: "John Mcmahon" <rv6@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Fw: Fall Classic RV Fly-in
    --> RV-List message posted by: "John Mcmahon" <rv6@earthlink.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: John Mcmahon Subject: Fall Classic RV Fly-in To inform everyone that we are having again this year our EAA Chapter 863 Fall Classic RV Fly-in on Sept 17th at (M54) Lebanon,Tn 20 miles east of Nashville,Tn.Mike Seager will be there for RV instruction the 16th17th and 18th. There will be aircraft judging and food etc..For instruction time slots call me at home and I will set you up.. John McMahon (RV6 863JJ) 615-452-8742


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    Time: 05:09:16 AM PST US
    Subject: Super 8 performance data
    From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net> Gents, I have managed to get the bugs worked out and the plane running very well. I performed a bunch of data logging last night and have posted the results. I am very pleased with the numbers. These are accurate and conservative as Im still missing upper leg intersection fairings. Eat your heart out! Best Kahuna http://www.mstewart.net/super8/index.htm under performance section do not archive


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    Time: 05:51:34 AM PST US
    From: John Huft <rv8@lazy8.net>
    Subject: Re: Super 8 performance data
    autolearn=unavailable version=3.0.3 --> RV-List message posted by: John Huft <rv8@lazy8.net> Mike, what is your testing methodology for determining speed? Thanks, John Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net> > >Gents, > >I have managed to get the bugs worked out and the plane running very >well. I performed a bunch of data logging last night and have posted the >results. > >I am very pleased with the numbers. These are accurate and conservative >as Im still missing upper leg intersection fairings. Eat your heart out! > > >Best > >Kahuna > > >http://www.mstewart.net/super8/index.htm under performance section > > > do not archive > > > >


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    Time: 06:05:06 AM PST US
    From: Trainnut01@AOL.COM
    Subject: Re: Wire marking labels
    --> RV-List message posted by: Trainnut01@aol.com Michele Will the 6mm tube shrink small enough to be used on individual wires? Carroll 7A Finishing do not archive


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    Time: 06:12:00 AM PST US
    From: WFACT01@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Super 8 performance data
    --> RV-List message posted by: WFACT01@aol.com KAHUNA-Hi nice numbers great web page-TOM DO NOT ARCHIVE TOM WHELAN WFACT01@AOL.COM TEL-203-2665300 FAX 203 266-5140 AIRPORT-CT01-----122.725 RV-8-SP-IO-540-350+HP---55HRS-ANGLE VALVE-AIRFLOW-LIGHTSPEED-FOIL MOD 3 BLADE---SMOKE- S-51-MUSTANG-TURBINE F-24 FAIRCHILD


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    Time: 06:24:10 AM PST US
    Subject: Super 8 performance data autolearn=unavailable version=3.0.3
    From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net> The first thing I did was do some GPS runs, 90 degree offset to determine if my EFIS TAS continuous reading was accurate. I took my laptop and ran a program similar to this one to determine accuracy of my instruments. http://www.csgnetwork.com/tasgpscalc.html I made a bunch of runs at various speeds and altitudes and found my EFIS to display TAS w/I 0-1.5 knots consistently. Once I knew my instrument readings were accurate, I took all numbers of both indicated and true and wrote them down as I made my runs. I captured over 80 rows of data and put them into a spreadsheet and wallah, there you have it. I was very surprised to see the data at 2150 RMP to meet or exceed the 2350RPM data. I can only attribute this to the prop really liking that speed for some reason. And boy you could really feel how happy the engine was to be there too. I was seeing this trend and reran the data twice and confirmed it. Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Huft Subject: Re: RV-List: Super 8 performance data autolearn=unavailable version=3.0.3 --> RV-List message posted by: John Huft <rv8@lazy8.net> Mike, what is your testing methodology for determining speed? Thanks, John Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net> > >Gents, > >I have managed to get the bugs worked out and the plane running very >well. I performed a bunch of data logging last night and have posted the >results. > >I am very pleased with the numbers. These are accurate and conservative >as Im still missing upper leg intersection fairings. Eat your heart out! > > >Best > >Kahuna > > >http://www.mstewart.net/super8/index.htm under performance section > > > do not archive > > > >


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    Time: 07:07:13 AM PST US
    From: "Jason Newburg" <newburg@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Engine for sale
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Jason Newburg" <newburg@bellsouth.net> I have an IO360 Lycoming 5 hrs since Major Overhaul by Don George in Orlando Fla. This is a 180 HP with Airflow Performance fuel injection system. Engine includes all accessories except the alternator. Price is $12000 I also have a Fixed Pitch Prop and Christen Inverted System available. Jason Newburg 735 Airpark Rd Hangar 9C Edgewater Florida 32132 386 426 6093


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    Time: 07:13:08 AM PST US
    From: dsvs@comcast.net
    Subject: Re: Wire marking labels
    --> RV-List message posted by: dsvs@comcast.net I bought one of these as well. Works great on all wiring used in an RV. Don > --> RV-List message posted by: Trainnut01@aol.com > > Michele > Will the 6mm tube shrink small enough to be used on individual wires? > Carroll > 7A Finishing > > do not archive > > > > > >


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    Time: 07:16:25 AM PST US
    From: RGray67968@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Super 8 performance data
    --> RV-List message posted by: RGray67968@aol.com Great numbers Mike!! And, your Super 8 looks AWESOME!! Love the fuel flow charts too! Good luck and fly safe buddy! Rick Gray in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm - RV6 Sold and F1 Rocket under construction do not archive Gents, I have managed to get the bugs worked out and the plane running very well. I performed a bunch of data logging last night and have posted the results. I am very pleased with the numbers. These are accurate and conservative as Im still missing upper leg intersection fairings. Eat your heart out! Best Kahuna http://www.mstewart.net/super8/index.htm under performance section do not archive


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    Time: 07:33:35 AM PST US
    From: Bob J <rocketbob@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Super 8 performance data autolearn=unavailable version=3.0.3
    --> RV-List message posted by: Bob J <rocketbob@gmail.com> At 2300 rpm the rockets just burn more gas and don't go much faster than they do at 2100rpm. Doesn't matter if its a two or three blade prop. 2100 rpm is the "sweet spot", smoother and quieter at that setting. Last year I did some four way gps runs in Mark Frederick's F1 and at 10500ft, 2100rpm, 22" mp, 11.8gph, 50 degrees ROP, the computed gps/tas speeds were 205kts. While running LOP in cruise I typically saw 200kts burning 9.5-10gph. Mine, of course, will do better than that. :) <knock on wood> Regards, Bob Japundza RV-6 flying 650+ hours, F1 under const. On 9/1/05, Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) <mstewart@iss.net> wrote: > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" < > mstewart@iss.net> > > The first thing I did was do some GPS runs, 90 degree offset to > determine if my EFIS TAS continuous reading was accurate. I took my > laptop and ran a program similar to this one to determine accuracy of my > instruments. > http://www.csgnetwork.com/tasgpscalc.html > > I made a bunch of runs at various speeds and altitudes and found my EFIS > to display TAS w/I 0-1.5 knots consistently. Once I knew my instrument > readings were accurate, I took all numbers of both indicated and true > and wrote them down as I made my runs. I captured over 80 rows of data > and put them into a spreadsheet and wallah, there you have it. > > I was very surprised to see the data at 2150 RMP to meet or exceed the > 2350RPM data. I can only attribute this to the prop really liking that > speed for some reason. And boy you could really feel how happy the > engine was to be there too. I was seeing this trend and reran the data > twice and confirmed it. > > Mike > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Huft > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: Super 8 performance data autolearnunavailable > version3.0.3 > > --> RV-List message posted by: John Huft <rv8@lazy8.net> > > Mike, what is your testing methodology for determining speed? > > Thanks, John > > > Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) wrote: > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" > <mstewart@iss.net> > > > >Gents, > > > >I have managed to get the bugs worked out and the plane running very > >well. I performed a bunch of data logging last night and have posted > the > >results. > > > >I am very pleased with the numbers. These are accurate and conservative > >as Im still missing upper leg intersection fairings. Eat your heart > out! > > > > > >Best > > > >Kahuna > > > > > >http://www.mstewart.net/super8/index.htm under performance section > > > > > > do not archive > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 07:33:36 AM PST US
    From: Richard Tasker <retasker@optonline.net>
    Subject: Re: Wire marking labels
    --> RV-List message posted by: Richard Tasker <retasker@optonline.net> The tape is specified as 0.15 or 6mm diameter - depending on whether you are buying it in the US or overseas. If we assume it is actually 0.25" wide, the diameter is 2 x .25 / pi = .16" OD which probably equivalent to 0.125" ID sleeving. This will work with #20 and #22 just fine (it shrinks up to 3:1). The 9mm is 50% larger or approximately 3/16" ID. While this printer is quite cheap, the tape is quite expensive - $25 - 27 for five ft, of shrink sleeving. An alternative is to find a used Kroy 2500 or 5100 which would be about the same price. Or a Kroy PC3000 if you can hook it up to a computer (for about $100). The sleeving cost is $29 -30 for 110" (9.2 ft) for all these printers. Of course, they will all also make labels - permanent or not-so-permanent. Dick Tasker Tim Olson wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> > >Without having to dig up wire dimensions, how does 6mm & 9mm translate >into AWG sizes? Will this label #22 and #20, as well as #10 wires >in Tefzel? > >Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170 >DO NOT ARCHIVE > > >owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com wrote: > > >>--> RV-List message posted by: >> >>Just purchased a Dymo Rhino5000 =96 great little machine for printing labels. >>The really neat part is that you can purchase 6mm & 9mm yellow shrink wrap >>tubing to print on. Printing can be wrap around the shrink wrap horizontally >>or vertically, print sizes from extra small (really very very small) to very >>large (limit would be half the tubes circumference. Got it from >>labelcity.com =96 good prices, fast delivery. >> >> >>This solution is obviously costlier than using transparent shrink wrap on >>paper standard printer labels but what a great time saver, and a >>professional looking job to. >> >> >>I thought I=92d contribute this tidbit. >> >> >>Michele Delsol >> >>RV8 fuselage >> >> >> > > > >


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    Time: 08:21:04 AM PST US
    From: "N901DT" <N901DT@houston.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Engine for sale
    --> RV-List message posted by: "N901DT" <N901DT@houston.rr.com> I am interested in your inverted oil system. Who much are you asking? What condition is it in ( in the box, once installed, etc. )? David Grover ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Newburg" <newburg@bellsouth.net> Subject: RV-List: Engine for sale > --> RV-List message posted by: "Jason Newburg" <newburg@bellsouth.net> > > > I have an IO360 Lycoming 5 hrs since Major Overhaul by Don George in > Orlando Fla. > This is a 180 HP with Airflow Performance fuel injection system. > Engine includes all accessories except the alternator. > Price is $12000 > > I also have a Fixed Pitch Prop and Christen Inverted System available. > > > Jason Newburg > 735 Airpark Rd > Hangar 9C > Edgewater Florida > 32132 > > 386 426 6093 > > >


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    Time: 08:27:13 AM PST US
    From: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
    Subject: Double Eagle NM RV Fly-in, 8-9 Oct 2005
    --> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net> Double Eagle RV Fly-in 8-9 October 2005 Where: Albuquerque NM Double Eagle II airport (KAEG); <http://www.airnav.com/airport/KAEG>http://www.airnav.com/airport/KAEG Fly-in principles: No scheduled events. Nice area with a variety of events to keep spouses happy. The main attraction is the Balloon Fiesta that ends this weekend. Intended for a quick weekend getaway. FBO: Bode Aero: <http://www.flybode.com/deairport.htm>http://www.flybode.com/deairport.htm Airport restaurant: Prop Wash Caf=E9, 505-831-2359 Cost: None. No registration fee. Attendees are responsible for hotel and car reservations. The FBO suggested making car reservations through tem. Miscellaneous: Bring your own tiedown ropes/straps/etc. Please email <mailto:ronlee@pcisys.net>ronlee@pcisys.net if you intend to come to ensure that ramp space does not become a problem. Non-RV aircraft welcome. Aviation issues: Note that the Albuquerque airspace is not far from AEG (to the east). Mountains are nearby. Density altitude can be high so understand impact to flight (such as engine mixture leaning and higher take-off and landing groundspeeds) Hotels: Many in the Albuquerque area. Those listed below were checked 27-28 June 2005. Strongly suggest making reservations as early as possible. Hotels listed below in three groups based upon distance from airport (AEG) and the balloon park. This is nowhere near a complete listing. Another source for making reservations is here: <http://www.nmtravel.com/bfres/>http://www.nmtravel.com/bfres/ or 888-398-5537 (Press 2 for reservations). Most prices exclude taxes. In general I tried to price a single bed (usually king) and two adults Group 1: Reasonably close to the balloon park on the north end of town (I-25) Comfort Inn, 5811 Signal Ave NE, Albuquerque, NM 87113, (505) 822-1090, $125 Ramada Limited, 5601 Alameda Blvd NE, Albuquerque, NM 87113, (505) 858-3297, $139 Holiday Inn, 5401 Alameda Blvd NE, Albuquerque, NM 87113, (505) 797-2291, Full Courtyard, 5151 Journal Center Blvd NE, Albuquerque, NM 87109, (505) 823-1919, $169 Albuquerque Pyramid Marriott, 5151 San Francisco Rd NE, Albuquerque, NM 87109, (505) 821-3333, $189 Amberly Suite Hotel, 7620 N Pan American Fwy NE, Albuquerque, NM 87109, (505) 823-1300, $59 (Std), $79 (suite) Howard Johnson Express Inn, 7630 N Pan American Fwy NE, Albuquerque, NM 87109, (505) 828-1600, $115 Baymont Inns and Suites, 7439 S Pan American Fwy NE, Albuquerque, NM 87109, (505) 345-7500, $70 Hampton Inn, 5101 Ellison St NE, Albuquerque, NM 87109, (505) 344-1555, $134 Quality Suites, 5251 San Antonio Dr NE, Albuquerque, NM 87109, (505) 797-0850, Full La Quinta Inn, 5241 San Antonio Dr NE, Albuquerque, NM 87109, (505) 821-9000, $139 Group 2: Rio Rancho area to NW of Balloon Park (6-7 miles) Days Inn Rio Rancho, 4200 Crestview Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124, (505) 892-8800, $90 Ramada Limited, 4081 High Resort Blvd SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124, (505) 892-5998, $100 (limited rooms) Super 8 Rio Rancho, 4100 Barbara Loop SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124, (505) 896-8888, $95 Best Western Inn, 1465 Rio Rancho Blvd SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124, (505) 892-1700, Full Hilton, 1771 Rio Rancho Blvd SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124, (505) 896-1111, $129 Marriott, 4100 Sara Rd SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 Group 3: 12 miles from the airport (KAEG) (south of I-40 at Exit 153) and about 13 miles to the Balloon Park near I-25 exit 233 (north part of Albuquerque) La Quinta, 6101 Iliff Rd NW, Albuquerque, NM 87121, (505) 839-1744, $140 Holiday Inn Express- West, 6100 Iliff Rd NW, Albuquerque, NM 87121, (505) 836-8600, $120 Super 8, 6030 Iliff Rd NW=92 Albuquerque, NM 87121, (505) 836-5560, $54 Days Inn =96 Albuquerque West, 6031 Iliff Rd NW, Albuquerque, NM 87121, (505) 836-3297, $89-$99 Comfort Inn West, 5712 Iliff Rd NW, Albuquerque, NM 87105, (505) 836-0011, $115 Red Roof, 6015 Iliff Rd NW, Albuquerque, NM 87121, (505) 831-3400, $70 Rental Cars: Bode Aero uses Enterprise, 505-922-1440, Midsize $43, Standard $46, Full $49. Make a reservation to ensure car in there when you arrive. I have not yet checked other rental car agencies. Things to do: 1) Balloon Fiesta: <http://www.balloonfiesta.com/>http://www.balloonfiesta.com/ Saturday night has a balloon glow and fireworks with a mass ascension Sunday morning. Schedule at <http://www.balloonfiesta.com/scripts/index/list_events_total.php>http://www.balloonfiesta.com/scripts/index/list_events_total.php 2) Sante Fe is close to the north. <http://www.airnav.com/airport/KSAF>http://www.airnav.com/airport/KSAF Sante Fe website at <http://www.santafe.org/>http://www.santafe.org/ 3) Petroglyph National Monument: <http://www.nps.gov/petr/>http://www.nps.gov/petr/ 4) Hiking in Albuquerque: <http://www.localhikes.com/MSA/MSA_0200.asp>http://www.localhikes.com/MSA/MSA_0200.asp http://www.trails.com/advancedfind.asp?keywordAlbuquerque&stateNM&activities&page1 <http://www.cabq.gov/openspace/lands.html>http://www.cabq.gov/openspace/lands.html 5) Sandia Peak Tram: <http://www.sandiapeak.com/>http://www.sandiapeak.com/ Bike rentals to ride down the mountain. 6) Albuquerque Visitors Website: <http://www.abqcvb.org/>http://www.abqcvb.org/ Note: Balloon Fiesta is a trademark of the Albuquerque International Balloon Fiesta, Inc


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    Time: 08:30:41 AM PST US
    From: "Rob Prior (rv7)" <rv7@b4.ca>
    Subject: Re: Anyone Know The Story Behind This Crash?
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Rob Prior (rv7)" <rv7@b4.ca> On 20:40:02 2005-08-31 "Dean Van Winkle" <dvanwinkle@royell.net> wrote: > The Caribou was not turbine powered. It had two Pratt and Whitney > R-2000 piston engines of 1,450 shp each. The later Buffalo had > turboprops and a T tail. Sorry Dean, but this one was. This aircraft was a DHC-4T conversion, using Canadian Pratt & Whitney PT-6 engines. It was c/n 240, originally delivered to the Kenya Air Force as KAF 204. Later registered to New Cal Aviation as 5Y-BER and N400NC. Converted to PT-6 engines in Canada and had about 25 hours test flying under EXPERIMENTAL category when it crashed on takeoff at Gimli Industrial Airpark, Manitoba, 27 Aug 92. I've been researching this through a contact in the Canadian Museum of Flight... He recalls seeing this video being shown at a Transport Canada booth at a PAMEA tradeshow a number of years ago, and at the time the Transport officials claimed it was actual footage of the crash. They wouldn't have much reason to lie about it. They said that the film was one of the strongest pieces of evidence that the control locks engaged during takeoff, as you can see the controls don't move once it's off the ground. Another friend pointed out what is probably the most compelling argument for this being a real video... Why would someone go to the trouble to create a CGI video of a crash of an obscure Canadian aircraft? It's not historically significant. If they did re-create it, why would they make it blurry, poorly framed, and miss most of the most interesting few seconds (the crash and fire starting)? -Rob


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    Time: 08:49:26 AM PST US
    From: "Jason Newburg" <newburg@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Engine for sale
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Jason Newburg" <newburg@bellsouth.net> Unit is removed from a Pitts S1 being parted out (undamaged) I have all the components. Spruce price on new system 801-4 is $666 I can sell you this used system for $350. Aircraft has 5 hrs since new. Jason ----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N901DT Subject: Re: RV-List: Engine for sale --> RV-List message posted by: "N901DT" <N901DT@houston.rr.com> I am interested in your inverted oil system. Who much are you asking? What condition is it in ( in the box, once installed, etc. )? David Grover ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Newburg" <newburg@bellsouth.net> Subject: RV-List: Engine for sale > --> RV-List message posted by: "Jason Newburg" <newburg@bellsouth.net> > > > I have an IO360 Lycoming 5 hrs since Major Overhaul by Don George in > Orlando Fla. > This is a 180 HP with Airflow Performance fuel injection system. > Engine includes all accessories except the alternator. > Price is $12000 > > I also have a Fixed Pitch Prop and Christen Inverted System available. > > > Jason Newburg > 735 Airpark Rd > Hangar 9C > Edgewater Florida > 32132 > > 386 426 6093 > > >


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    Time: 08:58:37 AM PST US
    From: "D Paul Deits" <pdeits@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Wire marking labels
    --> RV-List message posted by: "D Paul Deits" <pdeits@comcast.net> Where does the tape come from? Exact description please. ----- Original Message ----- From: <owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com> Subject: RV-List: Wire marking labels > --> RV-List message posted by: > > Just purchased a Dymo Rhino5000 =96 great little machine for printing labels. > The really neat part is that you can purchase 6mm & 9mm yellow shrink wrap > tubing to print on. Printing can be wrap around the shrink wrap horizontally > or vertically, print sizes from extra small (really very very small) to very > large (limit would be half the tubes circumference. Got it from > labelcity.com =96 good prices, fast delivery. > > > This solution is obviously costlier than using transparent shrink wrap on > paper standard printer labels but what a great time saver, and a > professional looking job to. > > > I thought I=92d contribute this tidbit. > > > Michele Delsol > > RV8 fuselage > >


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    Time: 09:31:32 AM PST US
    From: Walter Tondu <walter@tondu.com>
    Subject: Re: Wire marking labels
    --> RV-List message posted by: Walter Tondu <walter@tondu.com> One other alternative is the machine I have described here (see entry dated 9/12/04) http://www.rv7-a.com/avionics_panel_2.htm It will accept 3mm tapes, small enough to label 18GA wire and I labelled all wires, even smaller than 18 with it sucessfully. At around $300 it's not the cheapest but I was able to label every single wire without any real effort/time wasted. -- Walter Tondu http://www.rv7-a.com Flying!


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    Time: 09:44:17 AM PST US
    From: "Eric Parlow" <ericparlow@hotmail.com>
    Subject: RV building toward A&P license
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Eric Parlow" <ericparlow@hotmail.com> Has anyone used their time & expereince building an RV toward getting an A&P license?


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    Time: 10:38:20 AM PST US
    Subject: Wire marking labels
    From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
    --> RV-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net> One other thing on the Dymo model, if you Google rhinopro 5000 you will come up with a couple places cheaper than label city including one place that has the shrink tubes in the teens. I ordered the kit from Buy.com for $115. Michael Sausen -10 #352 Wing LE's Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Walter Tondu Subject: Re: RV-List: Wire marking labels --> RV-List message posted by: Walter Tondu <walter@tondu.com> One other alternative is the machine I have described here (see entry dated 9/12/04) http://www.rv7-a.com/avionics_panel_2.htm It will accept 3mm tapes, small enough to label 18GA wire and I labelled all wires, even smaller than 18 with it sucessfully. At around $300 it's not the cheapest but I was able to label every single wire without any real effort/time wasted. -- Walter Tondu http://www.rv7-a.com Flying!


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    Time: 11:30:44 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Wire marking labels
    From: James H Nelson <rv9jim@juno.com>
    --> RV-List message posted by: James H Nelson <rv9jim@juno.com> You know, that if you can print small, you make your own labels and put clear shrink tubing around it and put them on. I use some typing paper and print it out then cut it out and put a length wise crease with my thumb nail and slip it into a piece of tubing that I cut about 1/4" longer (each end) I get my shrink tubing from McMaster Carr. Small tubing for everything up to ?#16 is P/N 7856K133 "Clear" ( 1/8" down to 1/16") I've used a lot of tubing, I'd recommend at least 25 to 30' or so for your project. I also ordered the next size PN 7856 K15_ for the bigger wires and some 7856K173 "Clear"( 1/2 to 1/4") for the larger power wires. Works nice and CHEEP. Got my heat shrink gun from Nuckhols / B&C Speciaties 6 years ago. Still working after my first build. Found it on top of page 688, Polyolefin color coded thin wall tubing Cat #109 cheaper by the 25' roll. Specify the color to be clear. 2:1 shrink ratio. Jim Nelson RV9-A QB (wiring again)


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    Time: 11:31:18 AM PST US
    From: "Pat Hatch" <pat_hatch@msn.com>
    Subject: Engine for sale
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" <pat_hatch@msn.com> Don't want to offend anyone and please don't take this personally, but in order not to permanently memorialize your transaction in the archives, it would be best to end your message with DO NOT ARCHIVE Better yet, keep your conversations private by emailing direct. Many thanks. Pat Hatch I am interested in your inverted oil system. Who much are you asking? What condition is it in ( in the box, once installed, etc. )? > > I have an IO360 Lycoming 5 hrs since Major Overhaul by Don George in > Orlando Fla. > This is a 180 HP with Airflow Performance fuel injection system. > Engine includes all accessories except the alternator. > Price is $12000 > > I also have a Fixed Pitch Prop and Christen Inverted System available. >


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    Time: 11:59:12 AM PST US
    From: "John Danielson" <johnd@wlcwyo.com>
    Subject: Wire marking labels
    --> RV-List message posted by: "John Danielson" <johnd@wlcwyo.com> Picked up a used Kroy 2500 (like on E-bay for $40. Shrink tape cost is $29-30. Great machine John L. Danielson -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Tasker Subject: Re: RV-List: Wire marking labels --> RV-List message posted by: Richard Tasker <retasker@optonline.net> The tape is specified as 0.15 or 6mm diameter - depending on whether you are buying it in the US or overseas. If we assume it is actually 0.25" wide, the diameter is 2 x .25 / pi = .16" OD which probably equivalent to 0.125" ID sleeving. This will work with #20 and #22 just fine (it shrinks up to 3:1). The 9mm is 50% larger or approximately 3/16" ID. While this printer is quite cheap, the tape is quite expensive - $25 - 27 for five ft, of shrink sleeving. An alternative is to find a used Kroy 2500 or 5100 which would be about the same price. Or a Kroy PC3000 if you can hook it up to a computer (for about $100). The sleeving cost is $29 -30 for 110" (9.2 ft) for all these printers. Of course, they will all also make labels - permanent or not-so-permanent. Dick Tasker


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    Time: 11:59:12 AM PST US
    From: "John Danielson" <johnd@wlcwyo.com>
    Subject: Wire marking labels
    --> RV-List message posted by: "John Danielson" <johnd@wlcwyo.com> I picked up a used Kroy 2500 on E-bay for $45. Great way to mark wiring plus its portable, battery powered. Great when under the panel. John L. Danielson -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Tasker Subject: Re: RV-List: Wire marking labels --> RV-List message posted by: Richard Tasker <retasker@optonline.net> The tape is specified as 0.15 or 6mm diameter - depending on whether you are buying it in the US or overseas. If we assume it is actually 0.25" wide, the diameter is 2 x .25 / pi = .16" OD which probably equivalent to 0.125" ID sleeving. This will work with #20 and #22 just fine (it shrinks up to 3:1). The 9mm is 50% larger or approximately 3/16" ID. While this printer is quite cheap, the tape is quite expensive - $25 - 27 for five ft, of shrink sleeving. An alternative is to find a used Kroy 2500 or 5100 which would be about the same price. Or a Kroy PC3000 if you can hook it up to a computer (for about $100). The sleeving cost is $29 -30 for 110" (9.2 ft) for all these printers. Of course, they will all also make labels - permanent or not-so-permanent. Dick Tasker


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    Time: 12:21:14 PM PST US
    From: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
    Subject: Re: Wire marking labels
    --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch> I just use a fine point permanent marker and write on the heat shrink before I shrink it. Not quite as beautiful as a label maker, but seems to work fine. Here are some pictures: http://www.rv8.ch/article.php?story=20041208204446995 Mickey -- Mickey Coggins http://www.rv8.ch/ #82007 finishing


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    Time: 01:08:48 PM PST US
    From: Dwight Frye <dwight@openweave.org>
    Subject: Re: Wire marking labels
    --> RV-List message posted by: Dwight Frye <dwight@openweave.org> I picked up a Kroy for about $50 as well. I will say that I had to wait a while to catch one at a good price ... having to let a few go by whose price got bit up beyond what I was willing to pay. Mine was new-in-box and has been great. -- Dwight (just adding another datapoint to the discussion ... ) do not archive On Thu Sep 1 14:55:32 2005, John Danielson wrote : > >--> RV-List message posted by: "John Danielson" <johnd@wlcwyo.com> > >Picked up a used Kroy 2500 (like on E-bay for $40. >Shrink tape cost is $29-30. >Great machine > >John L. Danielson


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    Time: 01:50:16 PM PST US
    From: <gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Anyone Know The Story Behind This Crash? (proof)
    --> RV-List message posted by: <gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com> I called the company that was involved. Yes the Video is real. Yes it happened and Yes there was a video taken. The video was confiscated by the accident investigation authorities and was held. When the investigation was over the video was never to be released ti the public by request of the next of kin, but they allowed it to be retained for internal use as a training video. Well Like Pam and Paris it was leaked to the Internet. There is another tragedy. It is the real deal. A Vietnam pilot with 6,000 hrs of Caribou time (not Buffalo), the Son of the companies president, the pilot and a young engineer riding along died. This was NOT the first flight. IT had 25 hours. The final conclusion was inconclusive except the the pilot was not able top control the aircraft. Gust lock engagement is the theory but there was not enough left to determine conclusively (melted). The gust lock lever BTW falls across the throttle levers, so the throttles can not be move until the gust lock is disengaged. The other theory was the elevator jack screw (trim) was frozen or failed and the plane was way out of trim for full flaps, but no one (no one) is 100% sure. A tragedy to be sure. As far as all the computer tricks and RC model theories, I can tell you turbo prop blades turn at slower RPMs, you can see gear doors and details that looks just like picture's of this model aircraft and you can see into and thru the cockpit windows and fuselage windows. Thank you ---------------------------------


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    Time: 04:50:47 PM PST US
    From: bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net
    Subject: Re: Anyone Know The Story Behind This Crash? (proof)
    --> RV-List message posted by: bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net > I called the company that was involved. Yes the Video is real. What company is that? >Well Like Pam and Paris it was leaked to the > Internet. There is another tragedy. So the company had the film and someone spirited it out and posted in on the Internet? Was the cameraman -- the guy on tape -- an employee of the company? Did you get his name? I'll take your word for it that it's real. I called the company that was involved. Yes the Video is real. What company is that? Well Like Pam and Paris it was leaked to the Internet. There is another tragedy. So the company had the film and someone spirited it out and posted in on the Internet? Was the cameraman -- the guy on tape -- an employee of the company? Did you get his name? I'll take your word for it that it's real.


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    Time: 05:58:21 PM PST US
    From: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Motivation for builders
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@earthlink.net> I believe it has been too long (some might say not long enough) since I posted some of my reasons why those still building should hurry up and get flying. So, if you are looking for details on what sort of pr#mer to use, hit delete. A couple evenings ago I was just flying around, heading over towards our MN Wing's president's house (he lives in Wisconsin, go figure) to see if he was out on his deck. It was a beautiful evening, sun setting, visibility a million miles, with only bug splats to obscure my forward vision (I hoped most of the splats were from skeeters). Anyway, I'm looking for traffic as usual, and lo and behold I see a plane at about 12 O'Clock, about 500' high and a half mile. As I get closer, I see it is an RV6. I make a call on 22.75, no answer. So, I did what any good RV pilot might do, I turned towards his path to get a closer look. I guess he noticed me then, and quite soon I hear on the radio "Alex, is that you?", "Yeah, is that Mike?". So, I flew about a hundred feet off his wing and we chatted a bit. Oh yeah, I need to go see if Doug (the president) is on his deck, so I peel away from Mike in a few g pull (that is a cool thing to see from the other plane). Never did see if Doug was on the deck, too small from a 1000' up and the sun had set. Next, it was time to head back to the home airport for some power off practice (Doug R., you have a good influence on me!). On the way I flew a little negative g's to keep the ol' oil system working. I thought I had everything secured, but I heard a little rattling in the baggage area, so I looked up (down?) at the canopy, and picked some little fitting off from it. Then another little part. They didn't look like anything the plane couldn't fly without, so I put them in my pocket for future analysis. (I later figured out they came from a cigarette lighter plug which had come apart. I found two of the three parts, so I guess I need to go out and get negative again to look for the third.) As dusk turned to dark, I made 7 power off landings from downwind, but I needed to add power on one of them, so I need to keep practicing. Yesterday I took off from my home airport (non-federal control tower). "RV six alpha pop, cleared for takeoff on 27, right turn on course", "right turn, six alpha pop". As I climb out through 2500 msl, the tower calls me: "Alex, are you coming back today?". Of course, I'm immediately wondering if I did something wrong, and they want to know when to call in the feds. Surely they are going to bust me. Actually, they just want to know if they should keep the strip out :"affirm, I'll be back around 8:30 or 9:00 tonight, keep the lights on". The KANE tower guys are the coolest. The flight to 05Y (118nm NW of here) was just another piece of paradise, as I climbed above a scattered layer at about 4500', and set up cruise at 6500'. I sat there just giggling to myself, never having forgotten (in 670 hours) just how cool it is to fly a plane I built with my own hands. I land at 05Y (nice grass strip in my home town of 700 people), taxi to the parking area and shut down. I'm looking out the front of the plane and I see a gopher about 75 feet ahead. Now, understand that Minnesota isn't called the Gopher State because we like these little vermin, especially at an airport. Anyway, I just happened to have behind me in the baggage area a nice little German air pistol. I cocked the gun and put a pellet in it. I stood up on the seat and was taking aim - oops, looks like it would be a little close to the prop - yeah, right there. Pow, no more gopher (lucky shot from 75'). The amount of life one can cram into an hour or two of flying a plane built with one's own hands is truly amazing. This small plane has taken me (and usually a passenger - I am able to share most of my flying with someone) from Minnesota to south Florida four times, the west coast once and NM once. Plus, many many trips to find pancakes in Minnesota and Wisconsin. It has shown me thousands of the ten thousand lakes in this state. There has never been a single flight when I haven't thought about how truly wonderful flying a plane built in the garage is. Keep chuggin', it will be a dream come true. Alex Peterson RV6-A N66AP 670 hours Maple Grove, MN do not archive


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    Time: 06:40:43 PM PST US
    From: "Allen Fulmer" <afulmer@charter.net>
    Subject: Motivation for builders
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Allen Fulmer" <afulmer@charter.net> Keep those stories coming!! One of these YEARS I will be flying MY RV7 in your neck of the woods (Oshkosh by gosh!) and sharing encouragement with builders as you have. Thanks, Allen Fulmer RV7 Wings (QB Fuse on hand) Eggenfellner Subaru H6 on order N808AF reserved Alexander City, AL 256-329-2001 DO NOT ARCHIVE


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    Time: 07:22:58 PM PST US
    From: Jamie Painter <jdpainter@jpainter.org>
    Subject: Re: RV-8A FOR SALE
    --> RV-List message posted by: Jamie Painter <jdpainter@jpainter.org> Just curious. What's a 'professional RV builder'? Just wondering since we all know that the only legal, professional RV builders out there are Van's prototype shop staffers. Somebody had to say it. Respectfully, Jamie D. Painter RV-7A Fuselage (legally built) http://rv.jpainter.org DO NOT ARCHIVE On Aug 31, 2005, at 8:32 PM, Robert E. Lynch wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Robert E. Lynch" > <rv6lynch@earthlink.net> > > . AVAILABLE FOR SALE . New RV-8A. Under Construction, Available in 2 > months or less, (just add your own paint scheme!). IO-360-B1B (180hp), > Hartzell Constant-speed prop, electric trim and flaps, PMA Audio > Panel, GLC-250XL GPS/COM, Garmin 327 Transponder, TruTrak Autopilot > w/Alt hold, RMI engine monitor. Built by professional RV builder. . > Contact Robert Lynch - located Jefferson City, MO USA . Telephone: > 573-893-2291 . $91,000 > >


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    Time: 07:27:15 PM PST US
    From: "Ed Bundy" <ebundy@speedyquick.net>
    Subject: Which spark plug?
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Bundy" <ebundy@speedyquick.net> Last week I ordered a set of spark plugs for my 0-320-D1A. The table in the Spruce catalog showed REM40E as the specified flavor. When I went to replace them, the original plugs in the engine (new from Lycoming) were REM38E which is a colder version. Lycoming service instruction 1042x lists both the 40 and 38 as approved. Anyone know the pros/cons of the two, or is there no practical difference? Thanks, Ed Bundy --


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    Time: 07:28:10 PM PST US
    From: "Sherri & Paul Richardson" <prichar@mail.win.org>
    Subject: Trutrak ADI Internal GPS
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Sherri & Paul Richardson" <prichar@mail.win.org> Hello Again, I've decided to install the Trutrak ADI, does the internal GPS option require a separate GPS antenna? I have a Garmin panel unit, and was wondering if I should tie into the existing GPS antenna, or if the term "internal" includes the antenna. Thanks, Paul Richardson RV6A 106RV


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    Time: 07:45:37 PM PST US
    From: "William Gill" <wgill10@comcast.net>
    Subject: Engine for sale
    --> RV-List message posted by: "William Gill" <wgill10@comcast.net> Hello Jason, How long has the engine been sitting since last run. Thanks. Bill DO NOT ARCHIVE -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jason Newburg Subject: RV-List: Engine for sale --> RV-List message posted by: "Jason Newburg" <newburg@bellsouth.net> I have an IO360 Lycoming 5 hrs since Major Overhaul by Don George in Orlando Fla. This is a 180 HP with Airflow Performance fuel injection system. Engine includes all accessories except the alternator. Price is $12000 I also have a Fixed Pitch Prop and Christen Inverted System available. Jason Newburg 735 Airpark Rd Hangar 9C Edgewater Florida 32132 386 426 6093


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    Time: 08:01:13 PM PST US
    From: "wskimike" <wskimike@mchsi.com>
    Subject: Re: RV building toward A&P license
    --> RV-List message posted by: "wskimike" <wskimike@mchsi.com> Building an RV would only qualify you for the airframe license if you were working with a license mechanic that would sign you off stating you worked with him for at least 18 months performing certain maintenance tasks in different areas such as ice and rain control systems, hydraulic and pneumatic systems, fire protection systems, cabin and atmosphere control systems, welding, ice and rain control systems, aircraft covering (dope and fabric), landing gear systems (including hydraulic), just to mention a few of the basic systems you are required to gain experience. If an A&P signs you off just by building an RV, in my opinion, he is watering down the value of having earned an A&P by those of us that got it by learning all the systems required through experience or by going to school for two years to learn all required systems other than sheet metal, flight control rigging, and electrical. Maybe that is why we only make pennies and A&P's are leaving the field by the droves. Forget about engine experience required which requires more than just mounting the engine. The answer to your question is yes you can probably find someone to pencil whip you and sign you off, but it's not right. Mike Harris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Parlow" <ericparlow@hotmail.com> Subject: RV-List: RV building toward A&P license > --> RV-List message posted by: "Eric Parlow" <ericparlow@hotmail.com> > > Has anyone used their time & expereince building an RV toward getting an > A&P > license? > > >


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    Time: 08:07:50 PM PST US
    From: "Larry Pardue" <n5lp@warpdriveonline.com>
    Subject: Garmin 396 (Very Long)
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue" <n5lp@warpdriveonline.com> Howdy, I've had my 396 for a week now, and considering delivery time there may still be a lot of people that are curious about it, so here are my impressions. First, I hate cords around the cockpit, so you can tell I like the 396 because it has one, two, three, four of them and I am still using the unit. Quite a challenge to get them all running the proper directions so the stuff they go to works and the cords don't get in your way. The GPS antenna and the XM antenna are completely separate and the GPS antenna cord is a lot longer. This makes me wonder if Garmin, as much as I respect them, knows much about their customers. The GPS antenna is quite easy to place. You may not even need the external antenna, but if you do, that antenna can go pretty much anyplace, like just up on the glareshield. This is the one that has the long cord. The XM antenna has a short cord but it needs much better sky coverage to work well and just to make things really challenging, Garmin put a strong magnet in it with an admonition to not open or tamper with the unit (like to pull the stupid magnet off). The magnet means you cannot, at least in my plane, put the antenna anywhere near the glareshield, yet the cord is not long enough to put it much of anywhere else. There is an extension supplied for this antenna, but that makes the cord really really long with way too much cord to deal with. The magnetic base on the XM antenna is probably so you can slap it on the roof of your car to go storm chasing, but I find it works works well inside the car just slung up on the dash under the windshield. Experimenting a bit I finally hit on the idea of using the magnetic base to attach that antenna to the base supplied with the GPS antenna, that is intended for suction cup mounting. There is room there and everything. Oops, that base is aluminum, just like my airplane and so the magnet is worthless, again, except to mess up the compass. So I have ended up with the 396 mounted on Garmin's marine mount that is in turn mounted to an imstrument hole cover that is in a convenient place. This leaves barely enough XM antenna cord to run back to the pilot's seat back along the side of the cockpit. There the GPS antenna with its mount is velcroed to the top of the seat back, partially under the upholstery and the XM antenna is insecurely wire tied to that same mount. The two cords are wire tied together. I really think integrating the two antennas or a least making a mount that can accept both of them would be a better idea. Another cord hooks up to the audio system for the XM radio audio and the aural warnings. I have subscribed to the radio to see if I use it or not. So far I like it (I also have XM radio in my car). I have used an IPod in the plane with the miniature earbuds under my headset. I found that the fidelity is lost in the noisy airplane, and the earbuds hurt after I while. I enjoy the XM radio through mono aircraft headsets, just as well, at least at a low level and some nice classical music while showing passengers the wonders of the canyons of the Guadalupes should be great. The other cord is power. The 396 has a useful, rechargable, battery and for now I plan to carry the power cord but only use it as needed. If you are flying all day, you will need it, at least at high screen backlighting levels. I am finding the screen extremely readable under all conditions. I have done quite a bit of testing of the obstruction and terrain alert functions. This is a big reason I got this unit and it has worked flawlessly. Even if you are not on the terrain page, a little window comes up showing the obstruction in relation to the airplane, with distance rings. At the same time Mrs. Garmin warns you about the obstruction or terrain aurally. The biggy, of course, is weather. I'm completely hooked on that part. It is amazing to fly along with such situational awareness. There is the lightning, there is the rain, there is the front and there are the TFR's. A significant drawback is that the weather is not available immediately but the important things are available pretty quick. The weather is downloaded sequentially and some items are not updated very often. The other day I made a 20 minute flight where the satellite photo never did appear. What did appear though, were the thunderstorms and lightning along my route, in relation to terrain and towns and roads and how the cells were moving. I do find it a little disorienting that the pure weather products, like winds aloft forecast, are always north up, whereas the navigation map superimposed weather is course up or north up, whatever you have chosen. I won't comment on the many other functions such as auto autorouting with voice guidance, astronomical and all the other Garmin stuff that always works well. Other than all the cords and the nonintegrated antennas and useless magnets and the supplied stick on mount that will not attach to anything on the GPS, I am pretty well stunned. Larry Pardue Carlsbad, NM RV-6 N441LP Flying http://n5lp.net


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    Time: 08:39:05 PM PST US
    From: "Rob Prior (rv7)" <rv7@b4.ca>
    Subject: Re: Motivation for builders
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Rob Prior (rv7)" <rv7@b4.ca> On 17:54:11 2005-09-01 "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@earthlink.net> wrote: > the parking area and shut down. I'm looking out the front of the > Now, understand that > Minnesota isn't called the Gopher State because we like these little > vermin, especially at an airport. Anyway, I just happened to have > behind me in the baggage area a nice little German air pistol. I > cocked the gun and put a pellet in it. I stood up on the seat and > was taking aim - oops, looks like it would be a little close to the > prop - yeah, right there. Pow, no more gopher (lucky shot from 75'). Well, I was with you right up until this paragraph. I haven't spent much time in Minnesota, but any day on which I killed an animal just because it was there wouldn't rank up there in my "best day" lists. -Rob Do not archive.


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    Time: 09:54:51 PM PST US
    From: "Richard E. Tasker" <retasker@optonline.net>
    Subject: Re: Motivation for builders
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Richard E. Tasker" <retasker@optonline.net> I believe if you read the whole story, including between the lines, you will find out he did not kill it "just because it was there". He had just landed at a nice little grass strip and if you had ever hit a gopher hole on such a strip, you would understand. I am not saying you would have done the same thing, but what he did was quite understandable in that situation. I don't go around killing things for the fun of it either, but when something potentially puts my life in danger, I will respond appropriately - just as Alex did. Dick Tasker Rob Prior (rv7) wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Rob Prior (rv7)" <rv7@b4.ca> > >On 17:54:11 2005-09-01 "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@earthlink.net> wrote: > > >>the parking area and shut down. I'm looking out the front of the >>Now, understand that >>Minnesota isn't called the Gopher State because we like these little >>vermin, especially at an airport. Anyway, I just happened to have >>behind me in the baggage area a nice little German air pistol. I >>cocked the gun and put a pellet in it. I stood up on the seat and >>was taking aim - oops, looks like it would be a little close to the >>prop - yeah, right there. Pow, no more gopher (lucky shot from 75'). >> >> > >Well, I was with you right up until this paragraph. I haven't spent much >time in Minnesota, but any day on which I killed an animal just because it >was there wouldn't rank up there in my "best day" lists. > >-Rob > >Do not archive. > > > > -- ---- Please Note: No trees were destroyed in the sending of this message. We do concede, however, that a significant number of electrons may have been temporarily inconvenienced. ----


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    Time: 11:52:41 PM PST US
    From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
    Subject: Wire marking labels
    --> RV-List message posted by: www.labelcity.com This is my order and pricing: SL# ItemCode Item Description Qty Price Discount Amount 1 15517 DYMO RhinoPRO 5000 Label Printer 1 $89.00 $0.00 $89.00 2 18052 RhinoPRO 1/4" Yellow Heat Shrink Tubes 1 $26.10 $0.00 $26.10 3 18054 RhinoPRO 3/8" Yellow Heat Shrink Tubes 1 $28.20 $0.00 $28.20 4 18486 RhinoPRO 1/2" Metallized Permanent Label 1 $12.30 $0.00 $12.30 I have not yet looked at the metallized one. The yellow heat shrink are great. The machine comes with a roll of wide black type on white label. It uses 6 AA 1.5 volt cells or a 9V charger. Michele > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list- > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of D Paul Deits > Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 5:54 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com; RV-8@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: Wire marking labels > > --> RV-List message posted by: "D Paul Deits" <pdeits@comcast.net> > > Where does the tape come from? Exact description please. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com> > To: <RV-8@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RV-List: Wire marking labels > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: > > > > Just purchased a Dymo Rhino5000 =96 great little machine for printing > labels. > > The really neat part is that you can purchase 6mm & 9mm yellow shrink > wrap > > tubing to print on. Printing can be wrap around the shrink wrap > horizontally > > or vertically, print sizes from extra small (really very very small) to > very > > large (limit would be half the tubes circumference. Got it from > > labelcity.com =96 good prices, fast delivery. > > > > > > This solution is obviously costlier than using transparent shrink wrap > on > > paper standard printer labels but what a great time saver, and a > > professional looking job to. > > > > > > I thought I=92d contribute this tidbit. > > > > > > Michele Delsol > > > > RV8 fuselage > > > > > > > > >




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