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1. 12:05 AM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (dralle@matronics.com)
2. 05:37 AM - Re: RV building toward A&P License (Richard Crosley)
3. 05:41 AM - Re: Motivation for builders (Bob Collins)
4. 05:47 AM - Re: RV building toward A&P license (gert)
5. 06:05 AM - Re: Motivation for builders (BBreckenridge@att.net)
6. 06:40 AM - Re: Motivation for builders (Alex Peterson)
7. 06:40 AM - Re: Garmin 396 (Very Long) (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
8. 06:40 AM - Re: Motivation for builders (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
9. 06:42 AM - Re: Engine for sale (Scott Keadle)
10. 07:35 AM - Re: Motivation for builders (Vincent Osburn)
11. 07:42 AM - Re: Engine for sale (Ron Lee)
12. 07:52 AM - Re: RV-8A FOR SALE (Ron Lee)
13. 10:22 AM - Re: RV building toward A&P license (c.ennis)
14. 10:24 AM - Remembering (PeterHunt1@aol.com)
15. 12:59 PM - Re: Anyone Know The Story Behind This Crash? (proof) ()
16. 01:39 PM - Re: Remembering (Ralph E. Capen)
17. 01:48 PM - Re: Motivation for builders (Gopher issue) (Ron Lee)
18. 02:06 PM - Re: Motivation for builders (Gopher issue) (BPA)
19. 02:37 PM - Re: Motivation for builders (Gopher issue) (John Erickson)
20. 03:14 PM - Re: RV-8A FOR SALE (Steve Johnson)
21. 04:31 PM - Re: Re: Anyone Know The Story Behind This Crash? (proof) (bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net)
22. 04:34 PM - Re: RV-8A FOR SALE (PJ Seipel)
23. 05:01 PM - Re: Re: Anyone Know The Story Behind This Crash? (proof) (LARRY ADAMSON)
24. 05:13 PM - Re: RV-8A FOR SALE (John Erickson)
25. 05:34 PM - Re:Which spark plug? (Martin Hone)
26. 06:31 PM - Re: Motivation for builders (Gopher issue) (Marty)
27. 07:07 PM - Re: Motivation for builders (Gopher issue) (Marty)
28. 07:08 PM - RV-6 cowling for sale (Travis Hamblen)
29. 07:36 PM - Re: RV-8A FOR SALE (PJ Seipel)
30. 08:04 PM - Re: Trutrak ADI Internal GPS (dick martin)
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| Subject: | Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] |
DNA: do not archive
--> RV-List message posted by: dralle@matronics.com
Dear Lister,
Please read over the RV-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
RV-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/RV-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| Subject: | Re: RV building toward A&P License |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard Crosley" <rcrosley@adelphia.net>
Yes, I built a Christen Eagle in 1980 and a local A&P, AI, gave me a letter saying
it was worth 2000 hours of experience and it worked. He was also the guy
that gave me the practical A&P test. If you can work it out they might want
to check your work along the way.
Rich Crosley
RV8 N948RC
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| Subject: | Motivation for builders |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
Plus there's a bounty on gophers here in Minnesota.
And if I ever get that (&#* rabbit that ate that new plant I just
bought....he's going to gopher heaven too.
They're rodents. So are rats.
B
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard E. Tasker
Subject: Re: RV-List: Motivation for builders
--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard E. Tasker"
--> <retasker@optonline.net>
I believe if you read the whole story, including between the lines, you
will find out he did not kill it "just because it was there". He had
just landed at a nice little grass strip and if you had ever hit a
gopher hole on such a strip, you would understand. I am not saying you
would have done the same thing, but what he did was quite understandable
in that situation. I don't go around killing things for the fun of it
either, but when something potentially puts my life in danger, I will
respond appropriately - just as Alex did.
Dick Tasker
Rob Prior (rv7) wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Rob Prior (rv7)" <rv7@b4.ca>
>
>On 17:54:11 2005-09-01 "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@earthlink.net>
>wrote:
>
>
>>the parking area and shut down. I'm looking out the front of the Now,
>>understand that Minnesota isn't called the Gopher State because we
>>like these little vermin, especially at an airport. Anyway, I just
>>happened to have behind me in the baggage area a nice little German
>>air pistol. I cocked the gun and put a pellet in it. I stood up on
>>the seat and was taking aim - oops, looks like it would be a little
>>close to the prop - yeah, right there. Pow, no more gopher (lucky
>>shot from 75').
>>
>>
>
>Well, I was with you right up until this paragraph. I haven't spent
>much time in Minnesota, but any day on which I killed an animal just
>because it was there wouldn't rank up there in my "best day" lists.
>
>-Rob
>
>Do not archive.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV building toward A&P license |
--> RV-List message posted by: gert <gert.v@sbcglobal.net>
Ya know Mike, ya a wee bit harsh here.
carefully reading the original email, he asked to use the experience
*towards* his A&P, NOT SOLELY to get his A&P.
Gert
do not archive.
wskimike wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "wskimike" <wskimike@mchsi.com>
>
>Building an RV would only qualify you for the airframe license if you were
>working with a license mechanic that would sign you off stating you worked
>with him for at least 18 months performing certain maintenance tasks in
>different areas such as ice and rain control systems, hydraulic and
>pneumatic systems, fire protection systems, cabin and atmosphere control
>systems, welding, ice and rain control systems, aircraft covering (dope and
>fabric), landing gear systems (including hydraulic), just to mention a few
>of the basic systems you are required to gain experience. If an A&P signs
>you off just by building an RV, in my opinion, he is watering down the value
>of having earned an A&P by those of us that got it by learning all the
>systems required through experience or by going to school for two years to
>learn all required systems other than sheet metal, flight control rigging,
>and electrical. Maybe that is why we only make pennies and A&P's are leaving
>the field by the droves. Forget about engine experience required which
>requires more than just mounting the engine. The answer to your question is
>yes you can probably find someone to pencil whip you and sign you off, but
>it's not right.
>
>Mike Harris
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Eric Parlow" <ericparlow@hotmail.com>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: RV building toward A&P license
>
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Eric Parlow" <ericparlow@hotmail.com>
>>
>>Has anyone used their time & expereince building an RV toward getting an
>>A&P
>>license?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Motivation for builders |
1.25 RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO Received: contains an IP address used for HELO
--> RV-List message posted by: BBreckenridge@att.net
Alex;
The really cool part about your story is being able to glance up above my computer
as I read and look at your picture gracing Van's calendar for the month of
(gulp!) September!
Bruce Breckenridge
40018 Rudder
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| Subject: | Motivation for builders |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@earthlink.net>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Rob Prior (rv7)" <rv7@b4.ca>
>
> On 17:54:11 2005-09-01 "Alex Peterson"
> <alexpeterson@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > the parking area and shut down. I'm looking out the front
> of the Now,
> > understand that Minnesota isn't called the Gopher State because we
> > like these little vermin, especially at an airport. Anyway, I just
> > happened to have behind me in the baggage area a nice little German
> > air pistol. I cocked the gun and put a pellet in it. I
> stood up on
> > the seat and was taking aim - oops, looks like it would be a little
> > close to the prop - yeah, right there. Pow, no more gopher (lucky
> > shot from 75').
>
> Well, I was with you right up until this paragraph. I
> haven't spent much time in Minnesota, but any day on which I
> killed an animal just because it was there wouldn't rank up
> there in my "best day" lists.
>
> -Rob
>
> Do not archive.
Rob, you may change your mind if you are upside down on the runway after
your wheel caught in a cave in due to gopher hole runs.
Alex Peterson
RV6-A N66AP 670 hours
Maple Grove, MN
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| Subject: | Garmin 396 (Very Long) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
XM, unlike Sirius, also uses ground repeater stations besides the two sats. If
you can put it somewhere where you can get a view of the sky and ground you
will get better reception. Personally I think Sirius's programming is better
but I get much more drop out due to the single sat and no ground stations than
the XM stuff (I have both).
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Wing LE's
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Pardue
Subject: RV-List: Garmin 396 (Very Long)
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue" <n5lp@warpdriveonline.com>
Howdy,
I've had my 396 for a week now, and considering delivery time there may still be
a lot of people that are curious about it, so here are my impressions.
First, I hate cords around the cockpit, so you can tell I like the 396 because
it has one, two, three, four of them and I am still using the unit.
Quite a challenge to get them all running the proper directions so the stuff they
go to works and the cords don't get in your way. The GPS antenna and the XM
antenna are completely separate and the GPS antenna cord is a lot longer. This
makes me wonder if Garmin, as much as I respect them, knows much about their
customers.
The GPS antenna is quite easy to place. You may not even need the external antenna,
but if you do, that antenna can go pretty much anyplace, like just up on
the glareshield. This is the one that has the long cord.
The XM antenna has a short cord but it needs much better sky coverage to work well
and just to make things really challenging, Garmin put a strong magnet in
it with an admonition to not open or tamper with the unit (like to pull the stupid
magnet off). The magnet means you cannot, at least in my plane, put the
antenna anywhere near the glareshield, yet the cord is not long enough to put
it much of anywhere else. There is an extension supplied for this antenna, but
that makes the cord really really long with way too much cord to deal with.
The magnetic base on the XM antenna is probably so you can slap it on the roof
of your car to go storm chasing, but I find it works works well inside the car
just slung up on the dash under the windshield.
Experimenting a bit I finally hit on the idea of using the magnetic base to attach
that antenna to the base supplied with the GPS antenna, that is intended for
suction cup mounting. There is room there and everything.
Oops, that base is aluminum, just like my airplane and so the magnet is worthless,
again, except to mess up the compass.
So I have ended up with the 396 mounted on Garmin's marine mount that is in turn
mounted to an imstrument hole cover that is in a convenient place.
This leaves barely enough XM antenna cord to run back to the pilot's seat back
along the side of the cockpit. There the GPS antenna with its mount is velcroed
to the top of the seat back, partially under the upholstery and the XM antenna
is insecurely wire tied to that same mount. The two cords are wire tied together.
I really think integrating the two antennas or a least making a mount that can
accept both of them would be a better idea.
Another cord hooks up to the audio system for the XM radio audio and the aural
warnings. I have subscribed to the radio to see if I use it or not.
So far I like it (I also have XM radio in my car). I have used an IPod in the
plane with the miniature earbuds under my headset. I found that the fidelity
is lost in the noisy airplane, and the earbuds hurt after I while.
I enjoy the XM radio through mono aircraft headsets, just as well, at least at
a low level and some nice classical music while showing passengers the wonders
of the canyons of the Guadalupes should be great.
The other cord is power. The 396 has a useful, rechargable, battery and for now
I plan to carry the power cord but only use it as needed. If you are flying
all day, you will need it, at least at high screen backlighting levels.
I am finding the screen extremely readable under all conditions.
I have done quite a bit of testing of the obstruction and terrain alert functions.
This is a big reason I got this unit and it has worked flawlessly. Even
if you are not on the terrain page, a little window comes up showing the obstruction
in relation to the airplane, with distance rings.
At the same time Mrs. Garmin warns you about the obstruction or terrain aurally.
The biggy, of course, is weather. I'm completely hooked on that part. It is amazing
to fly along with such situational awareness. There is the lightning,
there is the rain, there is the front and there are the TFR's. A significant
drawback is that the weather is not available immediately but the important things
are available pretty quick. The weather is downloaded sequentially and some
items are not updated very often. The other day I made a 20 minute flight
where the satellite photo never did appear. What did appear though, were the
thunderstorms and lightning along my route, in relation to terrain and towns
and roads and how the cells were moving. I do find it a little disorienting that
the pure weather products, like winds aloft forecast, are always north up,
whereas the navigation map superimposed weather is course up or north up, whatever
you have chosen.
I won't comment on the many other functions such as auto autorouting with voice
guidance, astronomical and all the other Garmin stuff that always works well.
Other than all the cords and the nonintegrated antennas and useless magnets and
the supplied stick on mount that will not attach to anything on the GPS, I am
pretty well stunned.
Larry Pardue
Carlsbad, NM
RV-6 N441LP Flying
http://n5lp.net
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| Subject: | Motivation for builders |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
You would probably change your mind the first time your nose wheel hit a big
gopher hole on a turf strip. Nice shot by the way.
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Prior (rv7)
Subject: Re: RV-List: Motivation for builders
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rob Prior (rv7)" <rv7@b4.ca>
On 17:54:11 2005-09-01 "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@earthlink.net> wrote:
> the parking area and shut down. I'm looking out the front of the Now,
> understand that Minnesota isn't called the Gopher State because we
> like these little vermin, especially at an airport. Anyway, I just
> happened to have behind me in the baggage area a nice little German
> air pistol. I cocked the gun and put a pellet in it. I stood up on
> the seat and was taking aim - oops, looks like it would be a little
> close to the prop - yeah, right there. Pow, no more gopher (lucky
> shot from 75').
Well, I was with you right up until this paragraph. I haven't spent much time
in Minnesota, but any day on which I killed an animal just because it was there
wouldn't rank up there in my "best day" lists.
-Rob
Do not archive.
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Scott Keadle" <Scott@Keadle.com>
No offense here either, but I consider the systems available, the price of
those systems, and the methods by which they may be obtained, to be very
relevant and interesting, both now and in the future. Just a different
opinion. Do not archive
Time: 11:31:18 AM PST US
From: "Pat Hatch" <pat_hatch@msn.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Engine for sale
--> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" <pat_hatch@msn.com>
Don't want to offend anyone and please don't take this personally, but in
order not to permanently memorialize your transaction in the archives, it
would be best to end your message with
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Better yet, keep your conversations private by emailing direct. Many
thanks.
Pat Hatch
I am interested in your inverted oil system. Who much are you asking? What
condition is it in ( in the box, once installed, etc. )?
>
> I have an IO360 Lycoming 5 hrs since Major Overhaul by Don George in
> Orlando Fla. This is a 180 HP with Airflow Performance fuel injection
> system. Engine includes all accessories except the alternator.
> Price is $12000
>
> I also have a Fixed Pitch Prop and Christen Inverted System available.
John Scott Keadle DDS
President, Rowan Dental Associates
704-630-6600
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| Subject: | Re: Motivation for builders |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Vincent Osburn" <flyby41@earthlink.net>
You must be a "City Boy" and never had anything you worked hard for or paid
good money for, destroyed by a filthy varmint.
It was my favorite part of the story.
I'd be happy to kill the very last one on earth. Alas..........I can only
keep trying, never realizing the goal.
..
. Pow, no more gopher (lucky shot from 75').
>
> Well, I was with you right up until this paragraph. I haven't spent much
> time in Minnesota, but any day on which I killed an animal just because it
> was there wouldn't rank up there in my "best day" lists.
>
> -Rob
>
> Do not archive.
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
I think the concern is the interpersonal dealings such as :
"Does it have mages?"
"Can you drive it here to deliver it?"
"What color is the case?"
Those are not needed on this list and should be done by private email.
Ron Lee
DO NOT ARCHIVE
At 07:39 AM 9/2/2005, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Scott Keadle" <Scott@Keadle.com>
>
>No offense here either, but I consider the systems available, the price of
>those systems, and the methods by which they may be obtained, to be very
>relevant and interesting, both now and in the future. Just a different
>opinion. Do not archive
>
>
>Time: 11:31:18 AM PST US
>
>From: "Pat Hatch" <pat_hatch@msn.com>
>
>Subject: RE: RV-List: Engine for sale
>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" <pat_hatch@msn.com>
>
>
>Don't want to offend anyone and please don't take this personally, but in
>order not to permanently memorialize your transaction in the archives, it
>would be best to end your message with
>
>
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
>Better yet, keep your conversations private by emailing direct. Many
>thanks.
>
>
>Pat Hatch
>
>
>I am interested in your inverted oil system. Who much are you asking? What
>
>
>condition is it in ( in the box, once installed, etc. )?
>
>
> >
>
> > I have an IO360 Lycoming 5 hrs since Major Overhaul by Don George in
>
> > Orlando Fla. This is a 180 HP with Airflow Performance fuel injection
>
> > system. Engine includes all accessories except the alternator.
>
> > Price is $12000
>
> >
>
> > I also have a Fixed Pitch Prop and Christen Inverted System available.
>
>
>John Scott Keadle DDS
>
>President, Rowan Dental Associates
>
>704-630-6600
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-8A FOR SALE |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
Makes you wonder in light of the Epic "homebuilt" issue whether this
poses negative implications to real homebuilders.
Ron Lee
DO NOT ARCHIVE
>Just curious.
>
>What's a 'professional RV builder'? Just wondering since we all know
>that the only legal, professional RV builders out there are Van's
>prototype shop staffers.
>
>Somebody had to say it.
>
>Respectfully,
>Jamie D. Painter
>RV-7A Fuselage (legally built)
>http://rv.jpainter.org
>
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>On Aug 31, 2005, at 8:32 PM, Robert E. Lynch wrote:
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Robert E. Lynch"
> > <rv6lynch@earthlink.net>
> >
> > . AVAILABLE FOR SALE . New RV-8A. Under Construction, Available in 2
> > months or less, (just add your own paint scheme!). IO-360-B1B (180hp),
> > Hartzell Constant-speed prop, electric trim and flaps, PMA Audio
> > Panel, GLC-250XL GPS/COM, Garmin 327 Transponder, TruTrak Autopilot
> > w/Alt hold, RMI engine monitor. Built by professional RV builder. .
> > Contact Robert Lynch - located Jefferson City, MO USA . Telephone:
> > 573-893-2291 . $91,000
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| Subject: | Re: RV building toward A&P license |
--> RV-List message posted by: "c.ennis" <c.ennis@insightbb.com>
Check out this months Sport Aviation...page 108..you might like the answer,
depending on your local FSDO.
RV-6A N60CE , Test flying over .
Charlie Ennis
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--> RV-List message posted by: PeterHunt1@aol.com
It was five years ago almost to the day that I started my RV-6 and first
posted to this list -- some question about slider versus tip-up. Many of you were
kind in your responses and I grew to ask the list often during my building.
N215PH flew for the first time yesterday. She flies hands off, rock solid
and straight as an arrow. WOW! I just can't believe it. My thanks to all of
you who have responded to my questions and made recommendations. Your help has
been invaluable.
Pete Hunt, Clearwater, FL
RV-6, all electric panel, VFR/IFR
O-360-A1A, CS prop
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone Know The Story Behind This Crash? (proof) |
--> RV-List message posted by: <gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com>
WOW BOB:
>I called the company that was involved. Yes the Video is real.
>>What company is that?
(http://www.penturbo.com/ I TALKED TO Joe Wolf, Vice President.)
(INITIAL FLT TEST DONE IN CANADA BEFORE MOVING TO NJ, WHERE COMPANY IS LOCATED)
>Well Like Pam and Paris it was leaked to the
>Internet. There is another tragedy.
>>So the company had the film and someone spirited it out and posted in on the
Internet?
>>Was the cameraman -- the guy on tape -- an employee of the company? Did
>>you get his name?
(WOW you have so many questions, that have been answered already, DEE DA DEE, here
we go again. The FAA, kept the video for training as allowed by next of kin.
I have been to FAA training presentations on how accident investigations are
done, which used actual videos of cashes taken by people on ground and even
from inside the accident aircraft. These videos are used by the FAA. Now who leaked
the video (stole it)? I don't know or care. Call the widows and ask, may
be they had a copy and posted it on the internet?)
>>I'll take your word for it that it's real.
(GEE THANKS)
>I called the company that was involved. Yes the Video is real.
>>What company is that?
(FOR THE SECOND TIME http://www.penturbo.com/ )
>Well Like Pam and Paris it was leaked to the
>Internet. There is another tragedy.
>>So the company had the film and someone spirited it out and posted in on the
Internet?
>>Was the cameraman -- the guy on tape -- an employee of the company? Did
>>you get his name?
(WOW, PAY ATTENTION THIS TIME, DEE DA DEE. THE AUTHORITIES RETAINED THE VIDEO FOR
TRAINING PURPOSE AND WAS NOT TO BE RELEASED BY REQUEST OF THE FAMILIES OF THE
DECEASED. GEE, NO I DON'T HAVE NAMES OF WHO LEAKED IT. CALL THE WIDOW'S AND
ASK THEM.)
>>I'll take your word for it that it's real.
(AGAIN 2ND TIME, GEE THANKS, BUT I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK)
(NOW DO THE MATH> REAL CRASH + KNOWN VIDEO TO EXIST + 13 YEARS AGO + INTERNET
VIDEO APPEARS = REAL VIDEO. WHY WOULD SOME ONE FAKE A 13 YEAR OLD CRASH? )
(ALL YOU COMPUTER EXPERTS, R/C MODEL EXPERTS TAKE A REALITY CHECK, REAL PLANES
CASH AND REAL VIDEOS ARE TAKEN.)
Match: #6
Message: #133108
From: bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Anyone Know The Story Behind This Crash? (proof)
> I called the company that was involved. Yes the Video is real.
What company is that?
>Well Like Pam and Paris it was leaked to the
> Internet. There is another tragedy.
So the company had the film and someone spirited it out and posted in on the Internet?
Was the cameraman -- the guy on tape -- an employee of the company? Did
you get his name?
I'll take your word for it that it's real.
I called the company that was involved. Yes the Video is real.
What company is that?
Well Like Pam and Paris it was leaked to the
Internet. There is another tragedy.
So the company had the film and someone spirited it out and posted in on the Internet?
Was the cameraman -- the guy on tape -- an employee of the company? Did
you get his name?
I'll take your word for it that it's real.
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
Congrats - I'm a bit behind you but hope to see you at a fly-in next year.......
Ralph Capen
RV6A N822AR N06 90%/90%......after moving it half way cross the country!
-----Original Message-----
From: PeterHunt1@aol.com
Subject: RV-List: Remembering
--> RV-List message posted by: PeterHunt1@aol.com
It was five years ago almost to the day that I started my RV-6 and first
posted to this list -- some question about slider versus tip-up. Many of you were
kind in your responses and I grew to ask the list often during my building.
N215PH flew for the first time yesterday. She flies hands off, rock solid
and straight as an arrow. WOW! I just can't believe it. My thanks to all of
you who have responded to my questions and made recommendations. Your help has
been invaluable.
Pete Hunt, Clearwater, FL
RV-6, all electric panel, VFR/IFR
O-360-A1A, CS prop
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Motivation for builders (Gopher issue) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Today I pulled up four pocket gophers. That makes 46 this year.
I use traps by Victor that work well. This past winter was the first
where I lost no trees to gophers.
They still create soil conditions that once in the past caused a
soft tissue injury to my ankle that took a year to heal.
If they were in a turf runway I would go after them there as well.
In the past my efforts to eradicate them was similar to scenes
from Caddy Shack. Now I can catch them and will terminate
every one that enters my property.
Now back to working on the 6A. I just moved the ELT antenna
from the top of the fuselage to a place that will cause ZERO drag.
Ron Lee
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| Subject: | Motivation for builders (Gopher issue) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "BPA" <BPA@BPAENGINES.COM>
I wonder what a half dozen of them critters would taste like over a bed
of coals!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Lee
Subject: Re: RV-List: Motivation for builders (Gopher issue)
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Today I pulled up four pocket gophers. That makes 46 this year.
I use traps by Victor that work well. This past winter was the first
where I lost no trees to gophers.
They still create soil conditions that once in the past caused a
soft tissue injury to my ankle that took a year to heal.
If they were in a turf runway I would go after them there as well.
In the past my efforts to eradicate them was similar to scenes
from Caddy Shack. Now I can catch them and will terminate
every one that enters my property.
Now back to working on the 6A. I just moved the ELT antenna
from the top of the fuselage to a place that will cause ZERO drag.
Ron Lee
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Motivation for builders (Gopher issue) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Erickson" <Droopy@ericksonjc.com>
Someone's gotta say it...
CHICKEN
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BPA
Subject: RE: RV-List: Motivation for builders (Gopher issue)
--> RV-List message posted by: "BPA" <BPA@BPAENGINES.COM>
I wonder what a half dozen of them critters would taste like over a bed
of coals!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Lee
Subject: Re: RV-List: Motivation for builders (Gopher issue)
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Today I pulled up four pocket gophers. That makes 46 this year.
I use traps by Victor that work well. This past winter was the first
where I lost no trees to gophers.
They still create soil conditions that once in the past caused a soft
tissue injury to my ankle that took a year to heal.
If they were in a turf runway I would go after them there as well.
In the past my efforts to eradicate them was similar to scenes from
Caddy Shack. Now I can catch them and will terminate every one that
enters my property.
Now back to working on the 6A. I just moved the ELT antenna from the
top of the fuselage to a place that will cause ZERO drag.
Ron Lee
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: RV-8A FOR SALE |
--> RV-List message posted by: Steve Johnson <rv7pilot2004@yahoo.com>
Respectfully ...Give me a break!
There are dozen's of experienced RV multi-plane RV builders 'professionals' out
there willing to help RV folks complete their projects either at the component
level (fuel tanks, fairings, instrument panels etc.)(Thank God... I'd have never
gotten those fiberglass fairings done!) or with hands-on training or help;
Doug's web-site lists dozens and we all know the names.
Additionally, if an individual wants to build an RV and sell it ... it's still
a 51% completed aircraft by that builder who is now selling his airplane. As
far as I know there is no 'keep it for a while, then sell it rule'.... and there
are dozens of RVs for sale. The buyer simply buys a finished experimental
aircraft from the builder.
Are we all going to now modify our signatures 'Legally Built'? What happens with
I sell this one and build my RV-10. I guess my 7A will be an 'illegal' RV
for the next owner !
Steve Johnson
RV7-A Finish Kit "Legally built ... someday Legally for Sale"
Man that signature gets long! :-)
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net> wrote:--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee
Makes you wonder in light of the Epic "homebuilt" issue whether this
poses negative implications to real homebuilders.
Ron Lee
DO NOT ARCHIVE
>Just curious.
>
>What's a 'professional RV builder'? Just wondering since we all know
>that the only legal, professional RV builders out there are Van's
>prototype shop staffers.
>
>Somebody had to say it.
>
>Respectfully,
>Jamie D. Painter
>RV-7A Fuselage (legally built)
>http://rv.jpainter.org
>
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>On Aug 31, 2005, at 8:32 PM, Robert E. Lynch wrote:
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Robert E. Lynch"
> >
> >
> > . AVAILABLE FOR SALE . New RV-8A. Under Construction, Available in 2
> > months or less, (just add your own paint scheme!). IO-360-B1B (180hp),
> > Hartzell Constant-speed prop, electric trim and flaps, PMA Audio
> > Panel, GLC-250XL GPS/COM, Garmin 327 Transponder, TruTrak Autopilot
> > w/Alt hold, RMI engine monitor. Built by professional RV builder. .
> > Contact Robert Lynch - located Jefferson City, MO USA . Telephone:
> > 573-893-2291 . $91,000
---------------------------------
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone Know The Story Behind This Crash? (proof) |
--> RV-List message posted by: bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net
> (WOW you have so many questions, that have been answered already, DEE DA DEE,
Deep breath. Calm down. I'm not challenging you. I simply asked if you knew who
the photographer was. The guy on the tape. That's all.
> (FOR THE SECOND TIME
I apologize for the dupliate postings. There's something in the Comcast web-based
mail interface that is generating duplicates within the same message.
> (NOW DO THE MATH> REAL CRASH + KNOWN VIDEO TO EXIST + 13 YEARS AGO + INTERNET
> VIDEO APPEARS = REAL VIDEO. WHY WOULD SOME ONE FAKE A 13 YEAR OLD CRASH? )
There are multiple answers to that rhetorical sentence but there's no value to
rehashing. If there was a video that was known to exist, this MUST be that video.
End of story. That's for making the call
Bob
Do not archive
(WOW you have so many questions, that have been answered already, DEE DA DEE,
Deep breath. Calm down. I'm not challenging you. I simply asked if you knew who
the photographer was. The guy on the tape. That's all.
(FOR THE SECOND TIME
I apologize for the dupliate postings. There's something in the Comcast web-based
mail interface that is generating duplicates within the same message.
(NOW DO THE MATH REAL CRASH + KNOWN VIDEO TO EXIST + 13 YEARS AGO + INTERNET
VIDEO APPEARS = REAL VIDEO. WHY WOULD SOME ONE FAKE A 13 YEAR OLD CRASH? )
There are multiple answers to that rhetorical sentence but there's no value to
rehashing. If there was a video that was known to exist, this MUST be that video.
End of story. That's for making the call
Bob
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| Subject: | Re: RV-8A FOR SALE |
--> RV-List message posted by: PJ Seipel <seipel@seznam.cz>
I would argue that it depends on why you're building it. Are you
building it for recreation and educational purposes? Or just to make a
profit. If it's for profit then you're skirting the rules. And those
who put up advertisements like the one below allowing the buyer to
"customize" their RV imply that their motive is profit.
From the EAA's webpage:
Experimental airworthiness certificates are issued for different
purposes. These purposes are: (1) research and development, (2) to
conduct flight tests to show compliance with airworthiness regulations,
(3) for crew training, (4) for exhibition, (5) for air racing, (6) to
conduct market surveys and sales demonstrations, (7) to operate an
amateur-built airplane, and (8) to operate a kit-built aircraft that was
assembled by a person from a kit manufactured by the holder of a
production certificate for that kit.
Generally, RV's fall under (7). "Professional" and "amateur" are
mutually exclusive. Before you flame me, nowhere did I say you couldn't
sell your RV; just that you can't build an RV for the express purpose of
selling it, as it appears the gentlemen in the ad below is doing.
PJ
RV-10 Fuselage
#40032
do not archive
Steve Johnson wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Steve Johnson <rv7pilot2004@yahoo.com>
>
>
>Respectfully ...Give me a break!
>
>
>There are dozen's of experienced RV multi-plane RV builders 'professionals' out
there willing to help RV folks complete their projects either at the component
level (fuel tanks, fairings, instrument panels etc.)(Thank God... I'd have
never gotten those fiberglass fairings done!) or with hands-on training or help;
Doug's web-site lists dozens and we all know the names.
>
>
>Additionally, if an individual wants to build an RV and sell it ... it's still
a 51% completed aircraft by that builder who is now selling his airplane. As
far as I know there is no 'keep it for a while, then sell it rule'.... and there
are dozens of RVs for sale. The buyer simply buys a finished experimental
aircraft from the builder.
>
>
>Are we all going to now modify our signatures 'Legally Built'? What happens with
I sell this one and build my RV-10. I guess my 7A will be an 'illegal' RV
for the next owner !
>
>
>Steve Johnson
>
>RV7-A Finish Kit "Legally built ... someday Legally for Sale"
>
>
>Man that signature gets long! :-)
>
>
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
>Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net> wrote:--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee
>
>Makes you wonder in light of the Epic "homebuilt" issue whether this
>poses negative implications to real homebuilders.
>
>Ron Lee
>
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
>
>>Just curious.
>>
>>What's a 'professional RV builder'? Just wondering since we all know
>>that the only legal, professional RV builders out there are Van's
>>prototype shop staffers.
>>
>>Somebody had to say it.
>>
>>Respectfully,
>>Jamie D. Painter
>>RV-7A Fuselage (legally built)
>>http://rv.jpainter.org
>>
>>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>>
>>On Aug 31, 2005, at 8:32 PM, Robert E. Lynch wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Robert E. Lynch"
>>>
>>>
>>>. AVAILABLE FOR SALE . New RV-8A. Under Construction, Available in 2
>>>months or less, (just add your own paint scheme!). IO-360-B1B (180hp),
>>>Hartzell Constant-speed prop, electric trim and flaps, PMA Audio
>>>Panel, GLC-250XL GPS/COM, Garmin 327 Transponder, TruTrak Autopilot
>>>w/Alt hold, RMI engine monitor. Built by professional RV builder. .
>>>Contact Robert Lynch - located Jefferson City, MO USA . Telephone:
>>>573-893-2291 . $91,000
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>---------------------------------
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone Know The Story Behind This Crash? (proof) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "LARRY ADAMSON" <rvhi03@msn.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com
Subject: RV-List: Re: Anyone Know The Story Behind This Crash? (proof)
>(ALL YOU COMPUTER EXPERTS, R/C MODEL EXPERTS TAKE A REALITY CHECK, REAL PLANES
CASH AND REAL VIDEOS ARE TAKEN.)
Yep, I'm a computer flightsim expert, & R/C "crash" expert!!!!! Done both for
years, and never doubted the authenticity of this video for one second!
L.Adamson
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--> RV-List message posted by: "John Erickson" <Droopy@ericksonjc.com>
PJ,
I agree with you, with conditions.
It does depend on why you are building the airplane. I think we need to
refer to the FARs instead of the EAA's website in this case. (The EAAs
info in this case is great general info, but their wording allows
confusion ie "to OPERATE an amateur-built airplane")
There are 2 stipulations you sign when you request an airworthiness
certificate for your new-born aircraft. You sign that you have built the
aircraft for educational and/or recreational purposes. Some people
enjoy building MUCH more than flying (I know some builders who medically
can't fly). I'd argue these guys are legally building and certificating
amateur-built aircraft even if they are completing one a year and
selling immediately. And if you are building for recreational purposes
and fully intend to sell it when complete, it may be prudent to have a
buyer lined up and maybe customize it for them. Learning the different
nuances in different avionics from one plane to the next might even be
educational...
Now, before the flames damage my newly sealed and leak-checked fuel
tanks, I also agree that the folks PRODUCING aircraft as a business (not
trying to flame genuine builder assist companies, but the guys who are
no-kidding building for profit) are really damaging our hobby. Where do
you draw the line between recreational building and building for a
business purposes? I don't know. It kind of comes down to the DAR
looking at the builder and making the call I guess. I do think
"Professional" builders are pushing the limits a bit...
John
#40208 Wings
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of PJ Seipel
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-8A FOR SALE
--> RV-List message posted by: PJ Seipel <seipel@seznam.cz>
I would argue that it depends on why you're building it. Are you
building it for recreation and educational purposes? Or just to make a
profit. If it's for profit then you're skirting the rules. And those
who put up advertisements like the one below allowing the buyer to
"customize" their RV imply that their motive is profit.
From the EAA's webpage:
Experimental airworthiness certificates are issued for different
purposes. These purposes are: (1) research and development, (2) to
conduct flight tests to show compliance with airworthiness regulations,
(3) for crew training, (4) for exhibition, (5) for air racing, (6) to
conduct market surveys and sales demonstrations, (7) to operate an
amateur-built airplane, and (8) to operate a kit-built aircraft that was
assembled by a person from a kit manufactured by the holder of a
production certificate for that kit.
Generally, RV's fall under (7). "Professional" and "amateur" are
mutually exclusive. Before you flame me, nowhere did I say you couldn't
sell your RV; just that you can't build an RV for the express purpose of
selling it, as it appears the gentlemen in the ad below is doing.
PJ
RV-10 Fuselage
#40032
do not archive
Steve Johnson wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Steve Johnson <rv7pilot2004@yahoo.com>
>
>
>Respectfully ...Give me a break!
>
>
>There are dozen's of experienced RV multi-plane RV builders
'professionals' out there willing to help RV folks complete their
projects either at the component level (fuel tanks, fairings, instrument
panels etc.)(Thank God... I'd have never gotten those fiberglass
fairings done!) or with hands-on training or help; Doug's web-site lists
dozens and we all know the names.
>
>
>Additionally, if an individual wants to build an RV and sell it ...
it's still a 51% completed aircraft by that builder who is now selling
his airplane. As far as I know there is no 'keep it for a while, then
sell it rule'.... and there are dozens of RVs for sale. The buyer
simply buys a finished experimental aircraft from the builder.
>
>
>Are we all going to now modify our signatures 'Legally Built'? What
happens with I sell this one and build my RV-10. I guess my 7A will be
an 'illegal' RV for the next owner !
>
>
>Steve Johnson
>
>RV7-A Finish Kit "Legally built ... someday Legally for Sale"
>
>
>Man that signature gets long! :-)
>
>
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
>Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net> wrote:--> RV-List message posted by: Ron
Lee
>
>Makes you wonder in light of the Epic "homebuilt" issue whether this
>poses negative implications to real homebuilders.
>
>Ron Lee
>
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
>
>>Just curious.
>>
>>What's a 'professional RV builder'? Just wondering since we all know
>>that the only legal, professional RV builders out there are Van's
>>prototype shop staffers.
>>
>>Somebody had to say it.
>>
>>Respectfully,
>>Jamie D. Painter
>>RV-7A Fuselage (legally built)
>>http://rv.jpainter.org
>>
>>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>>
>>On Aug 31, 2005, at 8:32 PM, Robert E. Lynch wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Robert E. Lynch"
>>>
>>>
>>>. AVAILABLE FOR SALE . New RV-8A. Under Construction, Available in 2
>>>months or less, (just add your own paint scheme!). IO-360-B1B
(180hp),
>>>Hartzell Constant-speed prop, electric trim and flaps, PMA Audio
>>>Panel, GLC-250XL GPS/COM, Garmin 327 Transponder, TruTrak Autopilot
>>>w/Alt hold, RMI engine monitor. Built by professional RV builder. .
>>>Contact Robert Lynch - located Jefferson City, MO USA . Telephone:
>>>573-893-2291 . $91,000
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>---------------------------------
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re:Which spark plug? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Martin Hone" <mctrader@bigpond.net.au>
Hi Ed,
I think your choice of spark plug would depend on how hard you run that
O-320. If you are regularly flying at 75% then go for the colder heat
range, whereas if you are cruising a lot back at 65%, or have occasional
plug fouling, then go with the warmer UREM40E's or the ones with the
extended tip (UREM37BY). I will be trying the Autolite fine wire plugs
(UREM38S) at the next Annual in my O-320 D1A.
Cheers
Martin in Oz
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| Subject: | Motivation for builders (Gopher issue) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Marty" <martorious@earthlink.net>
>
>They still create soil conditions that once in the past caused a
>soft tissue injury to my ankle that took a year to heal.
>
Ouch. I turn my ankle all to often, so I feel your pain. I'm all for
thinning the subterranean rodent population, although here in Indiana
it's moles.
Marty in Indiana
RV-8A Preview plans in Hand
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| Subject: | Motivation for builders (Gopher issue) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Marty" <martorious@earthlink.net>
Sorry, forgot the 'do not archive', so I have since added it to my
signature. That way it'll be easier to remember to remove it than
trying to remember to add it.
Marty in Indiana
RV-8A Preview plans in Hand
do not archive
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
>server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marty
>Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 8:27 PM
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV-List: Motivation for builders (Gopher issue)
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Marty" <martorious@earthlink.net>
>
>>
>>They still create soil conditions that once in the past caused a
>>soft tissue injury to my ankle that took a year to heal.
>>
>
>Ouch. I turn my ankle all to often, so I feel your pain. I'm all
>for
>thinning the subterranean rodent population, although here in Indiana
>it's moles.
>
>Marty in Indiana
>RV-8A Preview plans in Hand
>
>
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| Subject: | RV-6 cowling for sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Travis Hamblen" <TravisHamblen@cox.net>
A friend of mine has a RV-6 Cowl for sale. It is in perfect and unused
condition, new from Vans. He went with one of the custom cowl and plenum
setups so he has no need for the one supplied by Vans. It is a RV-6 cowl
and includes the attachable carb inlet molding. He said that Vans charges
$980.00 plus shipping, he will sell his for 50% off Vans price. So I guess
the first $490 plus shipping can have it. If you are interested you can
contact him direct:
David Robb
(702) 645-2926 home
DavidRobb@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Re: RV-8A FOR SALE |
--> RV-List message posted by: PJ Seipel <seipel@seznam.cz>
John,
I can see your point when it comes to people who like to build but not
fly (and know a couple of great guys who fit into that category),
although I disagree that this is within the FAA's intent. I don't think
the FAA designed the FAR with the thought that people would be building
who had no intent to fly. What's the difference between the 1 man
operation you describe, and Epic? It becomes even less clear if it's
not a 1 man operation but a group who enjoy building with no intent to
fly. Like you said, where do you draw the line?
I guess my point is that as the advertisements get more bold and the
prices get higher ($200K+ for an RV-10 pre-avionics??) eventually
someone at the FAA might notice and make a decision that we don't like
on where to draw that line.
PJ
John Erickson wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "John Erickson" <Droopy@ericksonjc.com>
>
>PJ,
>
>I agree with you, with conditions.
>
>It does depend on why you are building the airplane. I think we need to
>refer to the FARs instead of the EAA's website in this case. (The EAAs
>info in this case is great general info, but their wording allows
>confusion ie "to OPERATE an amateur-built airplane")
>
>There are 2 stipulations you sign when you request an airworthiness
>certificate for your new-born aircraft. You sign that you have built the
>aircraft for educational and/or recreational purposes. Some people
>enjoy building MUCH more than flying (I know some builders who medically
>can't fly). I'd argue these guys are legally building and certificating
>amateur-built aircraft even if they are completing one a year and
>selling immediately. And if you are building for recreational purposes
>and fully intend to sell it when complete, it may be prudent to have a
>buyer lined up and maybe customize it for them. Learning the different
>nuances in different avionics from one plane to the next might even be
>educational...
>
>Now, before the flames damage my newly sealed and leak-checked fuel
>tanks, I also agree that the folks PRODUCING aircraft as a business (not
>trying to flame genuine builder assist companies, but the guys who are
>no-kidding building for profit) are really damaging our hobby. Where do
>you draw the line between recreational building and building for a
>business purposes? I don't know. It kind of comes down to the DAR
>looking at the builder and making the call I guess. I do think
>"Professional" builders are pushing the limits a bit...
>
>John
>#40208 Wings
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of PJ Seipel
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-8A FOR SALE
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: PJ Seipel <seipel@seznam.cz>
>
>I would argue that it depends on why you're building it. Are you
>building it for recreation and educational purposes? Or just to make a
>profit. If it's for profit then you're skirting the rules. And those
>who put up advertisements like the one below allowing the buyer to
>"customize" their RV imply that their motive is profit.
>
> From the EAA's webpage:
>Experimental airworthiness certificates are issued for different
>purposes. These purposes are: (1) research and development, (2) to
>conduct flight tests to show compliance with airworthiness regulations,
>(3) for crew training, (4) for exhibition, (5) for air racing, (6) to
>conduct market surveys and sales demonstrations, (7) to operate an
>amateur-built airplane, and (8) to operate a kit-built aircraft that was
>assembled by a person from a kit manufactured by the holder of a
>production certificate for that kit.
>
>Generally, RV's fall under (7). "Professional" and "amateur" are
>mutually exclusive. Before you flame me, nowhere did I say you couldn't
>sell your RV; just that you can't build an RV for the express purpose of
>selling it, as it appears the gentlemen in the ad below is doing.
>
>PJ
>RV-10 Fuselage
>#40032
>do not archive
>
>Steve Johnson wrote:
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Trutrak ADI Internal GPS |
--> RV-List message posted by: "dick martin" <martin@gbonline.com>
Dear Paul,
The Trutrak ADI with the internal GPS feature includes a separate GPS
antenna. It is about the size of a half dollar coin and includes an
integral magnetic base as well as about 5' of electric cord and plugs into
the back of the ADI. I mounted my antenna on a shelf on the firewall near
the top on the engine side. This works well as long as you do not have a
metallic fleck paint on the cowl.
Dick Martin (Trutrak test pilot)
RV8 N233M
the fast one
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sherri & Paul Richardson" <prichar@mail.win.org>
Subject: RV-List: Trutrak ADI Internal GPS
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Sherri & Paul Richardson"
> <prichar@mail.win.org>
>
> Hello Again,
> I've decided to install the Trutrak ADI, does the internal GPS option
> require a separate GPS antenna? I have a Garmin panel unit, and was
> wondering if I should tie into the existing GPS antenna, or if the term
> "internal" includes the antenna.
> Thanks,
> Paul Richardson
> RV6A 106RV
>
>
>
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