---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 09/05/05: 28 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:07 AM - Misc RV stuff for sale.. (Bob) 2. 05:34 AM - Transition training (Steve Struyk) 3. 05:36 AM - 7A Project For Sale (Trainnut01@aol.com) 4. 06:03 AM - Re: 7A Project For Sale (Ron Lee) 5. 06:38 AM - Re: Misc RV stuff for sale.. (Charlie England) 6. 08:42 AM - Re: Misc RV stuff for sale.. (JAMES BOWEN) 7. 09:17 AM - Re: Misc RV stuff for sale.. (J D Newsum) 8. 09:18 AM - Will buy imperfect RV4 canopy (Troy Hartman) 9. 09:30 AM - Re: 7A Project For Sale (Dan Morrow) 10. 12:09 PM - Re: 7A Project For Sale (Bob Collins) 11. 02:31 PM - (Mark Rose) 12. 03:14 PM - Re: (RAS) 13. 03:20 PM - Re: (HCRV6@aol.com) 14. 03:45 PM - Re: (Darrell Reiley) 15. 04:28 PM - Re: (LarryRobertHelming) 16. 04:53 PM - (no subject) (FlyinJon@aol.com) 17. 04:57 PM - Re: 7A Project For Sale (Oliver Washburn) 18. 05:08 PM - Re: (Kyle Boatright) 19. 05:30 PM - Re: Misc RV stuff for sale.. (Steven DiNieri) 20. 05:30 PM - Re: (Ed Holyoke) 21. 06:19 PM - Re: (dick martin) 22. 07:14 PM - Re: (Jeff Dowling) 23. 08:03 PM - Wing Skin Bevel Revisited (Joe Larson) 24. 08:21 PM - Concrete tie down anchor solution (Brian Denk) 25. 08:33 PM - Re: Concrete tie down anchor solution (Vanremog@aol.com) 26. 11:19 PM - Re: 7A Project For Sale (Paul Besing) 27. 11:38 PM - Re: 7A Project For Sale (Rob Prior (rv7)) 28. 11:52 PM - Re: Wing Skin Bevel Revisited (Jim Oke) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:07:17 AM PST US From: "Bob" Subject: RV-List: Misc RV stuff for sale.. --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob" Hi all, Need to clean out the hanger and get rid of this stuff... 2 each Matronics Governor III new in box $30 each 2 1/4" g meter. Mint cond $125 AV-MIX engine leaning device. TSO'd for many certified aircraft new cond $120 Terra 760 Comm, yellow tagged $400 Vans RV-6 electric flap conversion kit New $500 from vans, $250 Vans wood stick grip with coolie hat, new $50 Gretz aero electric trim conversion cable kit for RV-6, new $40 Coming soon , an almost new Christen 801 inverted oil system. Used .9 hours total. includes all the expensive fittings/hoses. $700 Wanted Dynon aor BMA G3 unit. Warmest Regards, Bob For the latest F1 Rocket/Synthetic Vision progress, click here... www.F1-RocketBoy.com -----Disclaimer--------- The contents of this E-mail (including contents of enclosure/(s) or attachment/(s) if any are privileged & confidential material of Innovative Aviation Systems Inc. or RocketBoy Aircraft Products Inc. and should not be disclosed to, used by, or copied in any manner by anyone other than intended addressee/(s).If this E-mail (including enclosure/(s) or attachment/(s) if any has been received in error, please advise sender immediately and delete it from your system. The views expressed in this E-mail message (including enclosure/(s) or attachment/(s) if any are those of the individual sender. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:34:43 AM PST US From: "Steve Struyk" Subject: RV-List: Transition training --> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Struyk" Anybody know where my son and I can get some RV tail wheel transition training? We're both current in tail draggers but need, for insurance purposes, some RV time. I've sent out some feelers to those who advertise their services but have not received a response. We live in the St. Louis, MO area, but are willing to travel, (say 5 hr. drive time) to get the training. Any RV (tail wheel) will do, just need to make the insurance folks, and ourselves, happy and comfortable. Please reply off list. Do not archive. Steve & Jeff Struyk St. Charles, MO RV-8, N842S Getting close ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:36:06 AM PST US From: Trainnut01@aol.com Subject: RV-List: 7A Project For Sale --> RV-List message posted by: Trainnut01@aol.com My doctor, (who is a ME but not my ME) has suggested that if I wish to continue flying I should be thinking LSA not RV7A. If that should prove to be true, and I'll know next month, how do you sell an incomplete project? How is an incomplete project valued? What are the pitfalls? I would appreciate any advice. Carroll Jernigan RV7A Finishing kit just started. trainnut01@aol.com Lenoir City TN do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:03:18 AM PST US From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: RV-List: 7A Project For Sale --> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee Sounds like you are close to being finished. I have no proof but will assert that a flying 7A is worth far more than a project. If you are close I would suggest completing it and find someone to fly off the hours then sell it. Ron Lee >My doctor, (who is a ME but not my ME) has suggested that if I wish to >continue flying I should be thinking LSA not RV7A. If that should prove to >be >true, and I'll know next month, how do you sell an incomplete project? >How is an >incomplete project valued? >What are the pitfalls? I would appreciate any advice. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:38:23 AM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: RV-List: Misc RV stuff for sale.. --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England Bob wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob" > >Hi all, > >Need to clean out the hanger and get rid of this stuff... > >2 each Matronics Governor III new in box $30 each > >2 1/4" g meter. Mint cond $125 > >AV-MIX engine leaning device. TSO'd for many certified aircraft new cond >$120 > >Terra 760 Comm, yellow tagged $400 > >Vans RV-6 electric flap conversion kit New $500 from vans, $250 > >Vans wood stick grip with coolie hat, new $50 > >Gretz aero electric trim conversion cable kit for RV-6, new $40 > > >Coming soon , an almost new Christen 801 inverted oil system. Used .9 hours >total. includes all the expensive fittings/hoses. $700 > > >Wanted Dynon aor BMA G3 unit. > > >Warmest Regards, > >Bob > I'll take the g meter, & will let you know if there's anything else. Charlie ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:42:10 AM PST US From: "JAMES BOWEN" Subject: RE: RV-List: Misc RV stuff for sale.. --> RV-List message posted by: "JAMES BOWEN" I'd buy the G meter if it's available. Thanks, Jim Bowen >From: "Bob" >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: >Subject: RV-List: Misc RV stuff for sale.. >Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 08:03:04 -0400 > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob" > >Hi all, > >Need to clean out the hanger and get rid of this stuff... > >2 each Matronics Governor III new in box $30 each > >2 1/4" g meter. Mint cond $125 > >AV-MIX engine leaning device. TSO'd for many certified aircraft new cond >$120 > >Terra 760 Comm, yellow tagged $400 > >Vans RV-6 electric flap conversion kit New $500 from vans, $250 > >Vans wood stick grip with coolie hat, new $50 > >Gretz aero electric trim conversion cable kit for RV-6, new $40 > > >Coming soon , an almost new Christen 801 inverted oil system. Used .9 hours >total. includes all the expensive fittings/hoses. $700 > > >Wanted Dynon aor BMA G3 unit. > > >Warmest Regards, > >Bob >For the latest F1 Rocket/Synthetic Vision progress, click here... >www.F1-RocketBoy.com > >-----Disclaimer--------- >The contents of this E-mail (including contents of enclosure/(s) or >attachment/(s) if any are privileged & confidential material of Innovative >Aviation Systems Inc. or RocketBoy Aircraft Products Inc. and should not be >disclosed to, used by, or copied in any manner by anyone other than >intended >addressee/(s).If this E-mail (including enclosure/(s) or attachment/(s) if >any has been received in error, please advise sender immediately and delete >it from your system. The views expressed in this E-mail message (including >enclosure/(s) or attachment/(s) if any are those of the individual sender. > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:17:23 AM PST US From: "J D Newsum" Subject: RE: RV-List: Misc RV stuff for sale.. --> RV-List message posted by: "J D Newsum" Bob, I'll take the Gretz Trim conversion kit if still available. Contact me off line at email address below. Do Not Archive JD Newsum jnewsum1@msn.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bob Subject: RV-List: Misc RV stuff for sale.. --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob" Hi all, Need to clean out the hanger and get rid of this stuff... 2 each Matronics Governor III new in box $30 each 2 1/4" g meter. Mint cond $125 AV-MIX engine leaning device. TSO'd for many certified aircraft new cond $120 Terra 760 Comm, yellow tagged $400 Vans RV-6 electric flap conversion kit New $500 from vans, $250 Vans wood stick grip with coolie hat, new $50 Gretz aero electric trim conversion cable kit for RV-6, new $40 Coming soon , an almost new Christen 801 inverted oil system. Used .9 hours total. includes all the expensive fittings/hoses. $700 Wanted Dynon aor BMA G3 unit. Warmest Regards, Bob For the latest F1 Rocket/Synthetic Vision progress, click here... www.F1-RocketBoy.com -----Disclaimer--------- The contents of this E-mail (including contents of enclosure/(s) or attachment/(s) if any are privileged & confidential material of Innovative Aviation Systems Inc. or RocketBoy Aircraft Products Inc. and should not be disclosed to, used by, or copied in any manner by anyone other than intended addressee/(s).If this E-mail (including enclosure/(s) or attachment/(s) if any has been received in error, please advise sender immediately and delete it from your system. The views expressed in this E-mail message (including enclosure/(s) or attachment/(s) if any are those of the individual sender. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:18:28 AM PST US From: "Troy Hartman" Subject: RV-List: Will buy imperfect RV4 canopy --> RV-List message posted by: "Troy Hartman" I am looking for a used RV4 canopy that doesn't need to be in perfect shape. If you messed yours up cutting it, let me know! ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:30:53 AM PST US From: "Dan Morrow" Subject: Re: RV-List: 7A Project For Sale --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Morrow" If you are in danger of not passing your next medical, consider this. As I understand it, you can fly under LSA without a medical certificate. However if you have failed a medical, you cannot fly LSA until you get the medical cleared. You could check with the EAA to see if this is correct. It's bizarre, but apparently if you skip your next medical exam, you can fly LSA no matter what your medical condition is if you think it is safe to do so. ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: RV-List: 7A Project For Sale > --> RV-List message posted by: Trainnut01@aol.com > > My doctor, (who is a ME but not my ME) has suggested that if I wish to > continue flying I should be thinking LSA not RV7A. If that should prove to > be > true, and I'll know next month, how do you sell an incomplete project? How > is an > incomplete project valued? > What are the pitfalls? I would appreciate any advice. > > Carroll Jernigan > RV7A Finishing kit just started. > trainnut01@aol.com > Lenoir City TN > > do not archive > > > -- > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:09:57 PM PST US From: "Bob Collins" Subject: RE: RV-List: 7A Project For Sale --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" I believe if you know of a medical condition that would be disqualifying, you can't fly anywhere under any circumstances as PIC. However, you can still fly. Anyway, the whole LSA thing just blows me away. To me it's the aviation equivalent of "don't ask-don't tell" -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Morrow Subject: Re: RV-List: 7A Project For Sale --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Morrow" If you are in danger of not passing your next medical, consider this. As I understand it, you can fly under LSA without a medical certificate. However if you have failed a medical, you cannot fly LSA until you get the medical cleared. You could check with the EAA to see if this is correct. It's bizarre, but apparently if you skip your next medical exam, you can fly LSA no matter what your medical condition is if you think it is safe to do so. ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: RV-List: 7A Project For Sale ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:31:45 PM PST US From: "Mark Rose" Subject: RV-List: --> RV-List message posted by: "Mark Rose" Well after 2 weeks short of three years my 8A took to the sky's on 9/2/05, flew staight and true just as they said it would. Need to fix high oil temps though. I have an IO360 with stock seven row cooler, I am wondering if a 9 row would be better. OAT was not that high 78, but oil was still 235 to 240 in cruise. Cooler is mounted on baffles, would it be better on the firewall? Second flight OAT was 60 and oil was 205 to 225, worried about next summer, so I would like to get them down now, before some damage occurs. Thanks to anyone with some ideas. Mark Rose N137MR. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:14:26 PM PST US From: "RAS" Subject: Re: RV-List: --> RV-List message posted by: "RAS" Hi, Congrats first of all. Is this a new engine? I found on the RV7 with FF kit and baffle mounted cooler with new O-360 taht the temp was a tad high on teh first flight. Kept ground running down on subsequent flights and the temp eventually stabilised around 170F. Marcel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Rose" Subject: RV-List: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Mark Rose" > > Well after 2 weeks short of three years my 8A took to the sky's on 9/2/05, > flew staight and true just as they said it would. Need to fix high oil > temps though. I have an IO360 with stock seven row cooler, I am wondering > if a 9 row would be better. OAT was not that high 78, but oil was still > 235 to 240 in cruise. Cooler is mounted on baffles, would it be better on > the firewall? Second flight OAT was 60 and oil was 205 to 225, worried > about next summer, so I would like to get them down now, before some > damage occurs. Thanks to anyone with some ideas. Mark Rose N137MR. > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:20:21 PM PST US From: HCRV6@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: --> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com In a message dated 9/5/2005 2:33:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, av8er2@mcleodusa.net writes: Well after 2 weeks short of three years my 8A took to the sky's on 9/2/05, flew staight and true just as they said it would. Need to fix high oil temps though. I have an IO360 with stock seven row cooler, I am wondering if a 9 row would be better. OAT was not that high 78, but oil was still 235 to 240 in cruise. Cooler is mounted on baffles, would it be better on the firewall? Second flight OAT was 60 and oil was 205 to 225, worried about next summer, so I would like to get them down now, before First, congratulations on a successful first flight. FWIW I have a seven row Aero Classic cooler mounted on the left rear baffle of my 0-360 (RV-6) and the problem I have is getting the oil temp up. The highest I get with OAT in the 90 F range is low 180 degrees F. With lower OAT I have to install a plate on the back of the cooler to get the temp into the 160 F. range. All this is to say that a seven row cooler should be adequate if mounted on the rear baffle and the baffles are well sealed. Mounting the cooler on the firewall with presumably 3" SCAT tubing to get the air to it from the baffle will most likely make your problem worse. Do make sure that you are using # 8 hoses and keep them as short as possible Oh yeah, I have tested my oil temp probe in boiling water and it is accurate. Harry Crosby RV-6 N16CX, 125 hours ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:45:08 PM PST US From: Darrell Reiley Subject: Re: RV-List: --> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley Mark, The Stewart Warner replacement for the Van's stock cooler has helped many with temp issues. Remember if you engine is New or Reman you will experience higher temps during your break in. Congratulations on the first flight! I would fly on and put a little more time on the engine. Flight early when it's cool, you'll be fine. Darrell Mark Rose wrote: --> RV-List message posted by: "Mark Rose" Well after 2 weeks short of three years my 8A took to the sky's on 9/2/05, flew staight and true just as they said it would. Need to fix high oil temps though. I have an IO360 with stock seven row cooler, I am wondering if a 9 row would be better. OAT was not that high 78, but oil was still 235 to 240 in cruise. Cooler is mounted on baffles, would it be better on the firewall? Second flight OAT was 60 and oil was 205 to 225, worried about next summer, so I would like to get them down now, before some damage occurs. Thanks to anyone with some ideas. Mark Rose N137MR. --------------------------------- Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:28:02 PM PST US From: "LarryRobertHelming" Subject: Re: RV-List: --> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" To the original problem of 240 degree high oil temps, consider the problem possibly being in the vernatherm valve. Sounds like it could be not functioning to let oil circulate through the oil cooler. It can be adjusted to let oil flow -- Search the archives on how to do this. It can be tested for accuracy. It should open around 180-190 degrees Is the oil cooler known not to be blocked in any way (also hoses and end fittings) to keep oil from moving through it? I agree with Harry that moving the cooler to the firewall will not improve the cooling function. I suspect the problem will not be solved by adding two rows to the cooler with the temps you are showing but it would help it some no doubt if oil is flowing. Are you sure your oil temp gauge is right by testing? Are your CHTs doing ok? If not that could mean you might look closely at the baffle and seals for air leaks. Indiana Larry, RV7 Tip Up Flying 60 Hours ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: RV-List: > --> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com > > > In a message dated 9/5/2005 2:33:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, > av8er2@mcleodusa.net writes: > > Well after 2 weeks short of three years my 8A took to the sky's on > 9/2/05, > flew staight and true just as they said it would. Need to fix high oil > temps > though. I have an IO360 with stock seven row cooler, I am wondering if a > 9 > row would be better. OAT was not that high 78, but oil was still 235 to > 240 > in cruise. Cooler is mounted on baffles, would it be better on the > firewall? > Second flight OAT was 60 and oil was 205 to 225, worried about next > summer, > so I would like to get them down now, before > > > First, congratulations on a successful first flight. FWIW I have a seven > row Aero Classic cooler mounted on the left rear baffle of my 0-360 (RV-6) > and > the problem I have is getting the oil temp up. The highest I get with > OAT in > the 90 F range is low 180 degrees F. With lower OAT I have to install a > plate on the back of the cooler to get the temp into the 160 F. range. > All this > is to say that a seven row cooler should be adequate if mounted on the > rear > baffle and the baffles are well sealed. Mounting the cooler on the > firewall > with presumably 3" SCAT tubing to get the air to it from the baffle will > most > likely make your problem worse. Do make sure that you are using # 8 > hoses > and keep them as short as possible > > Oh yeah, I have tested my oil temp probe in boiling water and it is > accurate. > > Harry Crosby > RV-6 N16CX, 125 hours > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:53:41 PM PST US From: FlyinJon@aol.com Subject: RV-List: (no subject) paul.schaetzel@lmco.com, ron@dynonavionics.com, fletch@bak.rr.com, patti@oregontrail.net, STEVE65GT@aol.com --> RV-List message posted by: FlyinJon@aol.com email address change. John Lauer, flyinjon@cox.net ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:57:36 PM PST US From: "Oliver Washburn" Subject: Re: RV-List: 7A Project For Sale --> RV-List message posted by: "Oliver Washburn" SO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Collins" Subject: RE: RV-List: 7A Project For Sale > --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" > > I believe if you know of a medical condition that would be disqualifying, > you can't fly anywhere under any circumstances as PIC. However, you can > still fly. > > Anyway, the whole LSA thing just blows me away. To me it's the aviation > equivalent of "don't ask-don't tell" > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Morrow > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: 7A Project For Sale > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Morrow" > > If you are in danger of not passing your next medical, consider this. As > I > understand it, you can fly under LSA without a medical certificate. > However if you have failed a medical, you cannot fly LSA until you get > the > medical cleared. You could check with the EAA to see if this is correct. > It's bizarre, but apparently if you skip your next medical exam, you can > fly LSA no matter what your medical condition is if you think it is safe > to > do so. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Subject: RV-List: 7A Project For Sale > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:08:25 PM PST US From: "Kyle Boatright" Subject: Re: RV-List: --> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" ----- Original Message ----- From: "LarryRobertHelming" Subject: Re: RV-List: > --> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" > > To the original problem of 240 degree high oil temps, consider the problem > possibly being in the vernatherm valve. Sounds like it could be not > functioning to let oil circulate through the oil cooler. It can be > adjusted > to let oil flow -- Search the archives on how to do this. It can be > tested > for accuracy. It should open around 180-190 degrees > > Is the oil cooler known not to be blocked in any way (also hoses and end > fittings) to keep oil from moving through it? I agree with Harry that > moving the cooler to the firewall will not improve the cooling function. > I > suspect the problem will not be solved by adding two rows to the cooler > with > the temps you are showing but it would help it some no doubt if oil is > flowing. Are you sure your oil temp gauge is right by testing? Are your > CHTs doing ok? If not that could mean you might look closely at the > baffle > and seals for air leaks. > > Indiana Larry, RV7 Tip Up Flying 60 Hours > High temperatures are often a problem with new engines. On mine, the temperatures ran as high as 220F in cruise for the first 100 hours. In the end, the solution was three or fourfold... 1) Engine break-in. Probably good for10+ degrees. 2) Switched away from the original (now corrected) version of Positech's oil cooler. Probably good for another 5 degrees. 3) Enlarged the oil cooler hole in my baffles to probably 2x its original size. Good for another 15 degrees. 4) Added a cool collar with a shroud. Essentially a heat sink around the oil filter. Marginal improvement. In addition, I checked the vernatherm (no problem there), checked the hoses and cooler for obstructions, verified the oil temp sender and gauge's accuracy, etc. No problems there either. One thing I will ask is if anyone on the list has personally experienced a defective vernatherm? This is an often suggested item when people have oil temperature problems, but I'm not aware of any first person stories where someone had one that went bad. KB ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:30:55 PM PST US From: "Steven DiNieri" Subject: RE: RV-List: Misc RV stuff for sale.. --> RV-List message posted by: "Steven DiNieri" Hi,bob I'll take the av-mix and a governer III, contact me for payment preference Steve dinieri capsteve@adelphia.net 716.579.5790 -----Original Messence----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Subject: RV-List: Misc RV stuff for sale.. --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob" Hi all, Need to clean out the hanger and get rid of this stuff... 2 each Matronics Governor III new in box $30 each 2 1/4" g meter. Mint cond $125 AV-MIX engine leaning device. TSO'd for many certified aircraft new cond $120 Terra 760 Comm, yellow tagged $400 Vans RV-6 electric flap conversion kit New $500 from vans, $250 Vans wood stick grip with coolie hat, new $50 Gretz aero electric trim conversion cable kit for RV-6, new $40 Coming soon , an almost new Christen 801 inverted oil system. Used .9 hours total. includes all the expensive fittings/hoses. $700 Wanted Dynon aor BMA G3 unit. Warmest Regards, Bob For the latest F1 Rocket/Synthetic Vision progress, click here... www.F1-RocketBoy.com -----Disclaimer--------- The contents of this E-mail (including contents of enclosure/(s) or attachment/(s) if any are privileged & confidential material of Innovative Aviation Systems Inc. or RocketBoy Aircraft Products Inc. and should not be disclosed to, used by, or copied in any manner by anyone other than intended addressee/(s).If this E-mail (including enclosure/(s) or attachment/(s) if any has been received in error, please advise sender immediately and delete it from your system. The views expressed in this E-mail message (including enclosure/(s) or attachment/(s) if any are those of the individual sender. ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:30:55 PM PST US From: "Ed Holyoke" Subject: RE: RV-List: --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" You said IO-360. Is that the angle valve engine? If so, those engines have little nozzles that spray oil on the underside of the pistons adding to oil temp. If that is part of the cause, extra cooler capacity may well help. Good luck, Ed Holyoke -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Rose Subject: RV-List: --> RV-List message posted by: "Mark Rose" Well after 2 weeks short of three years my 8A took to the sky's on 9/2/05, flew staight and true just as they said it would. Need to fix high oil temps though. I have an IO360 with stock seven row cooler, I am wondering if a 9 row would be better. OAT was not that high 78, but oil was still 235 to 240 in cruise. Cooler is mounted on baffles, would it be better on the firewall? Second flight OAT was 60 and oil was 205 to 225, worried about next summer, so I would like to get them down now, before some damage occurs. Thanks to anyone with some ideas. Mark Rose N137MR. ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:19:38 PM PST US From: "dick martin" Subject: Re: RV-List: --> RV-List message posted by: "dick martin" Dear Mark, Use a 9 or 10 row Niagara cooler mounted at a 25 degree tilt down on the baffle behind cyl #4. I have ll80 hours with this set up , 946 with a IO 360 (10-1) pistons etc and 240 hours with my new IO 390 Lyc. No oil temp problems in any temperature, including the Air Venture races using 100 % power for over 2 hours at 95 degree outside temps. Note, when making the mounting bracket to tilt the cooler use 040 4130. I tried aluminum first and it kept on cracking. Good luck. Dick Martin N233M RV8 the fast one ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Rose" Subject: RV-List: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Mark Rose" > > Well after 2 weeks short of three years my 8A took to the sky's on 9/2/05, > flew staight and true just as they said it would. Need to fix high oil > temps though. I have an IO360 with stock seven row cooler, I am wondering > if a 9 row would be better. OAT was not that high 78, but oil was still > 235 to 240 in cruise. Cooler is mounted on baffles, would it be better on > the firewall? Second flight OAT was 60 and oil was 205 to 225, worried > about next summer, so I would like to get them down now, before some > damage occurs. Thanks to anyone with some ideas. Mark Rose N137MR. > > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:14:52 PM PST US From: "Jeff Dowling" Subject: Re: RV-List: --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" I spent countless of hours working on getting my oil temps in check on my io360. I switched my baffle material to the blue silicone and spent a lot of time making absolutely certain there were NO leaks. I also switched to a 10 row cooler on the baffle. I wouldnt put it on the firewall. Thats where mine was originally. You have to go step by step and keep eliminating possible causes. You'll get it eventually. Shemp/Jeff Dowling RV-6A, N915JD 235 hours Chicago/Louisville ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Rose" Subject: RV-List: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Mark Rose" > > Well after 2 weeks short of three years my 8A took to the sky's on 9/2/05, > flew staight and true just as they said it would. Need to fix high oil > temps though. I have an IO360 with stock seven row cooler, I am wondering > if a 9 row would be better. OAT was not that high 78, but oil was still > 235 to 240 in cruise. Cooler is mounted on baffles, would it be better on > the firewall? Second flight OAT was 60 and oil was 205 to 225, worried > about next summer, so I would like to get them down now, before some > damage occurs. Thanks to anyone with some ideas. Mark Rose N137MR. > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:03:13 PM PST US From: Joe Larson Subject: RV-List: Wing Skin Bevel Revisited --> RV-List message posted by: Joe Larson I'm doing final prep on my top wing skins prior to riveting. The directions from Van's tell me to bevel the skins to create a somewhat smoother transition. I can use a file and sanding block to do it that way. But I seem to recall there were alternative methods that some folks have suggested -- instead of beveling. I haven't been able to find the references. Am I just confused? -Joe ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 08:21:40 PM PST US From: "Brian Denk" Subject: RV-List: Concrete tie down anchor solution --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" Listers, You may recall I asked for some input on how to set some tie down anchors into new concrete at my new airpark house. Well, here it is. I used plated eyehooks from Home Depot, with fender washers nutted on the shanks. These were then popped into emptied plastic fruit cups to serve as a male mold for the recess around the rings. The builder just pressed these into place after floating the concrete. Worked great. Patent pending. Heh. Brian Denk RV8 N94BD RV10 '51 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 08:33:46 PM PST US From: Vanremog@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Concrete tie down anchor solution --> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com In a message dated 9/5/2005 8:23:40 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, akroguy@hotmail.com writes: I used plated eyehooks from Home Depot, with fender washers nutted on the shanks. These were then popped into emptied plastic fruit cups to serve as a male mold for the recess around the rings. The builder just pressed these into place after floating the concrete. Worked great. =============================== Brian- Did you go with stainless steel, so they will last forever? GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 761hrs, Silicon Valley, CA) ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 11:19:34 PM PST US From: "Paul Besing" Subject: RE: RV-List: 7A Project For Sale --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" You are correct. Don't let your medical get denied, or you won't get a Sport Pilot Certificate. Just let it lapse. All you need for the sport pilot cert is a current driver's license! (Of course many other requirement, but as far as a medical is concerned.) Paul Besing RV-6A Sold Kitlog Builder's Software www.kitlog.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dan Morrow Subject: Re: RV-List: 7A Project For Sale --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Morrow" If you are in danger of not passing your next medical, consider this. As I understand it, you can fly under LSA without a medical certificate. However if you have failed a medical, you cannot fly LSA until you get the medical cleared. You could check with the EAA to see if this is correct. It's bizarre, but apparently if you skip your next medical exam, you can fly LSA no matter what your medical condition is if you think it is safe to do so. ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: RV-List: 7A Project For Sale > --> RV-List message posted by: Trainnut01@aol.com > > My doctor, (who is a ME but not my ME) has suggested that if I wish to > continue flying I should be thinking LSA not RV7A. If that should prove to > be > true, and I'll know next month, how do you sell an incomplete project? How > is an > incomplete project valued? > What are the pitfalls? I would appreciate any advice. > > Carroll Jernigan > RV7A Finishing kit just started. > trainnut01@aol.com > Lenoir City TN > > do not archive > > > -- > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 11:38:16 PM PST US From: "Rob Prior (rv7)" Subject: RE: RV-List: 7A Project For Sale --> RV-List message posted by: "Rob Prior (rv7)" On 23:17:33 2005-09-05 "Paul Besing" wrote: > You are correct. Don't let your medical get denied, or you won't get > a Sport Pilot Certificate. Just let it lapse. All you need for the > sport pilot cert is a current driver's license! (Of course many other > requirement, but as far as a medical is concerned.) Once you've got a Private Pilot's License, why would you ever let it lapse and replace it with a Sport Pilot Permit? The only reason I can think of that someone would do this is because they were in danger of not passing their medical. I find it hard to believe that the FAA won't be watching for just this kind of "workaround" to failing a medical, or to avoid failing a medical. Is there some other legitimate reason that i'm missing for wanting to demote yourself to Sport Pilot from Private Pilot? It seems like a losing proposition to me. -Rob ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 11:52:19 PM PST US From: Jim Oke Subject: RE: RV-List: Wing Skin Bevel Revisited --> RV-List message posted by: Jim Oke Joe; A common alternative to "bevelling" the skins is to cut a small rectangle in the underlying skin at the forward edge where it rests on the spar. Scribe a line when the top skin rests on the underlying skins and measure back abt 1" and round the corner for stress relief. This allows the top skin to butt against the underlying skin to avoid a bulge at the spar. The top skin then smoothly comes to lie on top of the other skin and the usual overlap joint results further aft. A similar arrangement can be done at the aft spar to get a butt joint vice a lapped joint where the top skin hangs over the flap. I'll attach a photo showing a trimmed inner skin - sorry do not have a good final one. This was on an RV-6A slow build, BTW. Cheers, Jim Oke Wpg., MB RV-6A > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Joe Larson > Sent: September 5, 2005 10:01 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Wing Skin Bevel Revisited > > --> RV-List message posted by: Joe Larson > > I'm doing final prep on my top wing skins prior to riveting. > The directions from Van's tell me to bevel the skins to > create a somewhat smoother transition. I can use a file and > sanding block to do it that way. > > But I seem to recall there were alternative methods that some > folks have suggested -- instead of beveling. I haven't been > able to find the references. Am I just confused? > > -Joe > > > Photoshare, and much much more: > > > >