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1. 04:34 AM - Re: 7A Project For Sale (Mickey Coggins)
2. 04:59 AM - Re: 7A Project For Sale (Bob Collins)
3. 05:20 AM - Re: Concrete tie down anchor solution (Brian Denk)
4. 05:44 AM - Re: Wing Skin Bevel Revisited (gert)
5. 06:48 AM - Re: Transition training (Darwin N. Barrie)
6. 06:58 AM - Re: (Darwin N. Barrie)
7. 07:17 AM - Re: 7A Project For Sale (LarryRobertHelming)
8. 08:10 AM - Re: Transition training (Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club)
9. 09:06 AM - Re: 7A Project For Sale (Paul Besing)
10. 09:14 AM - Manual trim cable attachment at aft end (Matthew Brandes)
11. 09:22 AM - Re: Wing Skin Bevel Revisited (Phil Birkelbach)
12. 09:35 AM - FS: Manual elevator trim cable (Jamie Painter)
13. 09:44 AM - Reducing cylinder head and oil temps (Ron Lee)
14. 09:46 AM - Re: Manual trim cable attachment at aft end (Ron Lee)
15. 10:11 AM - Re: FS: Manual elevator trim cable (Jamie Painter)
16. 10:13 AM - Re: LSA Medical (was 7A Project For Sale) (Marty)
17. 11:09 AM - Re: Transition training (Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club)
18. 11:25 AM - Airflow Performance Fuel Adjustments (Ed OConnor)
19. 11:45 AM - High Oil temps, Correction to previous message (HCRV6@aol.com)
20. 12:12 PM - Re: (HCRV6@aol.com)
21. 12:32 PM - Re: Airflow Performance Fuel Adjustments (Ted Lumpkin)
22. 12:35 PM - Abilene Formation Clinic (sturdy@att.net)
23. 12:38 PM - bulk fuel tank (Wayne Pedersen)
24. 01:02 PM - Katrina assistance near PDK (J.T. Helms)
25. 01:27 PM - 396 Problem Interim Report (Larry Pardue)
26. 01:47 PM - Re: Airflow Performance Fuel Adjustments (Wentz, Don)
27. 03:29 PM - The Easter Egg RV is no more (Ron Lee)
28. 03:29 PM - G Meter (Darrell Reiley)
29. 04:16 PM - Re: The Easter Egg RV is no more (DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com)
30. 05:01 PM - Matronics Web Server Upgrade Today Tuesday 09/06/05 5pm PDT (Matt Dralle)
31. 06:07 PM - Re: bulk fuel tank (dick martin)
32. 06:40 PM - Vetterman exhaust/RV4 (John DeCuir)
33. 06:58 PM - Re: The Easter Egg RV is no more (Sam Buchanan)
34. 07:20 PM - Garmin 396 Problems (Larry Pardue)
35. 08:14 PM - Re:G Meter (Oldsfolks@aol.com)
36. 10:16 PM - Re: ed hicks wny visit (Steven DiNieri)
37. 10:35 PM - Re: ed hicks wny visit (Vanremog@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: 7A Project For Sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
> Once you've got a Private Pilot's License, why would you ever let it lapse
> and replace it with a Sport Pilot Permit? The only reason I can think of
> that someone would do this is because they were in danger of not passing
> their medical.
There seem to be some conditions that are disqualifying that
most reasonable people would not consider a risk.
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 finishing
do not archive
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| Subject: | 7A Project For Sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
//There seem to be some conditions that are disqualifying that most
reasonable people would not consider a risk.
Indeed. I have a son who takes meds that are on the disqualifying list. But
he doesn't consider them a risk. I don't consider them a risk.
The trouble is the FAA does and I think under LSA, technically I *know* that
to be disqualifying so I don't think he could act as PIC because of that
provision.
On the other hand, *if* it's OK for a pilot to fly with these
*disqualifying* conditions because the aircraft is flying in the daytime,
has only once passenger, and is of a certain weight, then I would think it
would be OK to fly in the daytime, with only on passenger in a Piper
Warrior.
But it's not.
Hardly seems fair.
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Concrete tie down anchor solution |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>
>I used plated eyehooks from Home Depot, with fender
>washers nutted on the shanks. These were then popped into emptied plastic
>fruit cups to serve as a male mold for the recess around the rings. The
>builder just pressed these into place after floating the concrete. Worked
>great.
>
>
>===============================
>
>Brian-
>
>Did you go with stainless steel, so they will last forever?
>
>GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 761hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)
They're plated steel. I live in New Mexico. Nothing rusts here.
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
RV10 '51
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Skin Bevel Revisited |
--> RV-List message posted by: gert <gert.v@sbcglobal.net>
I would not bevel on my next plane. as far as I know it is only cosmetic
Joe Larson wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Joe Larson <jpl@showpage.org>
>
>I'm doing final prep on my top wing skins prior to riveting. The
>directions from Van's tell me to bevel the skins to create a somewhat
>smoother transition. I can use a file and sanding block to do it that
>way.
>
>But I seem to recall there were alternative methods that some folks
>have suggested -- instead of beveling. I haven't been able to find the
>references. Am I just confused?
>
>-Joe
>
>
>
>
--
is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500
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| Subject: | Re: Transition training |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie" <ktlkrn@cox.net>
I would highly recommend Mike Seager in Oregon. He is good about replying but may
be on trip now. I was there a couple of weeks ago and he said he was going
to New York for a fly in soon. There is a hotel on the field in Scappoose OR that
is very reasonable, keeping the cost down.
Without question you will get your money's worth with Mike. He is a fantastic instructor
and utilizes every minute of time.
Darwin N. Barrie
Chandler AZ
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie" <ktlkrn@cox.net>
Well after 2 weeks short of three years my 8A took to the sky's on 9/2/05,
flew staight and true just as they said it would. Need to fix high oil temps
though. I have an IO360 with stock seven row cooler, I am wondering if a
9
row would be better. OAT was not that high 78, but oil was still 235 to
240
in cruise. Cooler is mounted on baffles, would it be better on the firewall?
Congrats on the first flight. I hope to experience this in a month or so.
All this
is to say that a seven row cooler should be adequate if mounted on the rear
baffle and the baffles are well sealed. Mounting the cooler on the firewall
with presumably 3" SCAT tubing to get the air to it from the baffle will
most
likely make your problem worse.
Harry,
Just curious if you have some imperical evidence that a firewall mounted cooler
will cause higher temps? My neigbor has an 8 that he originally mounted the cooler
on the baffles. After experiencing some temp issues he moved it to the firewall
with 3" SCAT tubing. Now everything is fine in the high AZ temps.
I followed his lead and mounted my oil cooler on the firewall. I have the Stewart
Warner 8432R dual pass cooler and have it mounted with 3" SCAT. This should
work great with 25% more cooling area than his. I'm also making a low pressure
ramp on the exit hole of the cowl to assist in removing air.
Darwin N. Barrie
Chandler AZ
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| Subject: | Re: 7A Project For Sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
I hate to disagree so let me say I have another idea on this. More is
needed medically for a flying with Sport Pilot Certificate than a driver's
license. It also requires the PIC to consider his/her physical and mental
condition before and during every flight and if any reason is known that
would make the PIC unqualified or unsafe then that means a self grounding is
warranted. I can drive a car after consuming 1 beer legally with possession
of a driver's license. But I cannot declare myself worthy of being PIC
unless I wait 8 hours after consuming that beer. Antihistamines are another
one.
So, if there is some medical condition that would prevent you from renewing
your PPL medical, and you know about it, then you are not operating within
the spirit of the regs if you are PIC according to my understanding of the
Light Sport air program.
Indiana Larry, RV7 Tip Up Flying 60 Hours
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Besing" <paul@kitlog.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: 7A Project For Sale
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <paul@kitlog.com>
>
> You are correct. Don't let your medical get denied, or you won't get a
> Sport Pilot Certificate. Just let it lapse. All you need for the sport
> pilot cert is a current driver's license! (Of course many other
> requirement, but as far as a medical is concerned.)
>
> Paul Besing
> RV-6A Sold
> Kitlog Builder's Software
> www.kitlog.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dan Morrow
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: 7A Project For Sale
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Morrow" <DanFM01@butter.toast.net>
>
> If you are in danger of not passing your next medical, consider this. As
> I
> understand it, you can fly under LSA without a medical certificate.
> However if you have failed a medical, you cannot fly LSA until you get
> the
> medical cleared. You could check with the EAA to see if this is correct.
> It's bizarre, but apparently if you skip your next medical exam, you can
> fly LSA no matter what your medical condition is if you think it is safe
> to
> do so.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Trainnut01@aol.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: 7A Project For Sale
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Trainnut01@aol.com
>>
>> My doctor, (who is a ME but not my ME) has suggested that if I wish to
>> continue flying I should be thinking LSA not RV7A. If that should prove
>> to
>> be
>> true, and I'll know next month, how do you sell an incomplete project?
>> How
>> is an
>> incomplete project valued?
>> What are the pitfalls? I would appreciate any advice.
>>
>> Carroll Jernigan
>> RV7A Finishing kit just started.
>> trainnut01@aol.com
>> Lenoir City TN
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Transition training |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" <sisson@consolidated.net>
Steve, After I replied to you, I read this on the RV list. This could be
sooner and there is nothing but good remarks about Seager and his RV
training. This would also make you a nice mini vacation, not too far away...
I hope to have mine back in the air this month so I can attend some
fly-in's before cold weather hits.. Come see us up here when you do get
flying. Warren Grote has a RV6 and he is from St. Charles. He comes up a
lot as well as lots of the guys from Alton EAA chapter...
I have been out in near KC for several days with a terminally ill son in
law, so I missed a lot of email stuff..
Phil
>
>Getting closeo inform everyone that we are having again this year our EAA Chapter
863
>Fall Classic RV Fly-in on Sept 17th at (M54) Lebanon,Tn
>20 miles east of Nashville,Tn.Mike Seager will be there for RV
>instruction the 16th17th and 18th.
>There will be aircraft judging and food etc..For instruction time slots
>call me at home and I will set you up..
> John McMahon (RV6 863JJ)
>
> 615-452-8742
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | 7A Project For Sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <paul@kitlog.com>
I meant documentation wise. The only thing you need to maintain legally is
a driver's license. There are other responsibilities, of course.
This whole deal is another topic. Bottom line is this is a way for some
people to have the opportunity to fly with medical limitations, while the
rest of us have to maintain higher medical standards so we can fly at night
with heavier airplanes. Now that I put it that way, it hardly makes sense
to me, either!
do not archive this nonsense.
Paul Besing
RV-6A Sold
Kitlog Builder's Software
www.kitlog.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
LarryRobertHelming
Subject: Re: RV-List: 7A Project For Sale
--> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
I hate to disagree so let me say I have another idea on this. More is
needed medically for a flying with Sport Pilot Certificate than a driver's
license. It also requires the PIC to consider his/her physical and mental
condition before and during every flight and if any reason is known that
would make the PIC unqualified or unsafe then that means a self grounding is
warranted. I can drive a car after consuming 1 beer legally with possession
of a driver's license. But I cannot declare myself worthy of being PIC
unless I wait 8 hours after consuming that beer. Antihistamines are another
one.
So, if there is some medical condition that would prevent you from renewing
your PPL medical, and you know about it, then you are not operating within
the spirit of the regs if you are PIC according to my understanding of the
Light Sport air program.
Indiana Larry, RV7 Tip Up Flying 60 Hours
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Besing" <paul@kitlog.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: 7A Project For Sale
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <paul@kitlog.com>
>
> You are correct. Don't let your medical get denied, or you won't get a
> Sport Pilot Certificate. Just let it lapse. All you need for the sport
> pilot cert is a current driver's license! (Of course many other
> requirement, but as far as a medical is concerned.)
>
> Paul Besing
> RV-6A Sold
> Kitlog Builder's Software
> www.kitlog.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dan Morrow
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: 7A Project For Sale
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Morrow" <DanFM01@butter.toast.net>
>
> If you are in danger of not passing your next medical, consider this. As
> I
> understand it, you can fly under LSA without a medical certificate.
> However if you have failed a medical, you cannot fly LSA until you get
> the
> medical cleared. You could check with the EAA to see if this is correct.
> It's bizarre, but apparently if you skip your next medical exam, you can
> fly LSA no matter what your medical condition is if you think it is safe
> to
> do so.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Trainnut01@aol.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: 7A Project For Sale
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Trainnut01@aol.com
>>
>> My doctor, (who is a ME but not my ME) has suggested that if I wish to
>> continue flying I should be thinking LSA not RV7A. If that should prove
>> to
>> be
>> true, and I'll know next month, how do you sell an incomplete project?
>> How
>> is an
>> incomplete project valued?
>> What are the pitfalls? I would appreciate any advice.
>>
>> Carroll Jernigan
>> RV7A Finishing kit just started.
>> trainnut01@aol.com
>> Lenoir City TN
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Manual trim cable attachment at aft end |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Matthew Brandes" <matthew@n523rv.com>
I was playing with the elevators and the manual trim cable this weekend. I
was trying to figure out how the aft end of the trim cable gets secured when
I found the nut welded to a small steel plate in the manual trim hardware
bag. I can only assume that this somehow gets attached to the access cover
which then holds the cable in place.
Questions:
- Are there seperate manual trim instructions somewhere? I can find no
reference in the instructions and the plans only have a small picture of
this that I could find.
- Did you just rivet this nut/steel plate to the access cover? Seems that if
you did it this way it would be a challenge to 'turn' the access cover/nut
onto the trim cable. (I positioned my manual trim cable higher on a center
post, so I have no slack to pull it out farther.)
I'm thinking a nutplate on the back side of the steel plate to attach it to
the access cover. That would allow you to remove the access cover without
removing the trim cable and such.
Matthew Brandes,
Van's RV-9A (Wiring)
#90569
<http://www.n523rv.com/> http://www.n523rv.com
EAA Chapter 1329 President
EAA Chapter 868 Web Editor
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Skin Bevel Revisited |
--> RV-List message posted by: Phil Birkelbach <phil@petrasoft.net>
I didn't bevel mine and have no regrets. You can barely tell the
difference anyway.
Godspeed,
Phil Birkelbach - Houston Texas
RV-7 N727WB - Finishing Up
http://www.myrv7.com
Joe Larson wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Joe Larson <jpl@showpage.org>
>
>I'm doing final prep on my top wing skins prior to riveting. The
>directions from Van's tell me to bevel the skins to create a somewhat
>smoother transition. I can use a file and sanding block to do it that
>way.
>
>But I seem to recall there were alternative methods that some folks
>have suggested -- instead of beveling. I haven't been able to find the
>references. Am I just confused?
>
>-Joe
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | FS: Manual elevator trim cable |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jamie Painter <jamie@jpainter.org>
For Sale:
Brand new, never before used manual trim cable for RV-7/7A, RV-9/9A (and
possibly -6/6A).
Van's lists the price at $79.50. Will sell for $50.00 + shipping.
Jamie D. Painter
RV-7A Fuselage
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| Subject: | Reducing cylinder head and oil temps |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
My O-360 RV-6A has had problems with high CHT and oil temps.
On on flight within minutes of take-off the CHT indicator started
blinking prior to redline. On another flight during climb out the oil
temp temporarily went past redline so I cancelled the trip to
Leadville and went home.
That was the last straw and another smart guy came over to examine
my engine installation. He noted the excessive number of tubes to
gather cabin heat from BOTH exhausts. I removed all those tubes
and afterwards was able to maintain full power climb to 11,500' and
never exceed CHT limits. Oil temps were better but still high.
So now realizing that factors affecting the exiting air side of the cowl
was important I enlarged the bottom cowl opening around the exhausts.
That also helped.
Finally, I added louvers to the cowl bottom and this morning flew the
standard climb to 11,500' then level at 2550 rpm and let temps
stabilize.
Allowing for a lower OAT, I got a 7 degree Celcius drop in oil temp and
CHT went from 190 degrees C to 180. Since CHT resolution is only 10
degrees I can't quantify CHT reduction.
However, 180 degrees C is fine and where oil temps in the 110 degree C
range were common before, today it was 87 Degrees C. Excellent.
I will try to find my recorded data on these incremental improvements and will
post a pic of the louvers/enlarged cowl bottom later
Until then you can also see the louvers at Robbie Attaway's website. I talked
with him during this process and his suggestions were very helpful.
http://www.attawayair.com/rv6a.htm
I still need to check temps during a hotter day but overall I am pleased and
am currently not considering replacing the oil cooler since the other low/no
cost mods seem to have solved my cooling problems.
180 Deg C is 356 Deg F
87 Deg C is 189 Deg F
Ron Lee
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| Subject: | Re: Manual trim cable attachment at aft end |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
That piece screws onto the cable then is pop riveted to the bottom
of the Horizontal Stabilizer. I will go take a picture of mine and
email it to you.
Ron Lee
At 10:14 AM 9/6/2005, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Matthew Brandes" <matthew@n523rv.com>
>
>I was playing with the elevators and the manual trim cable this weekend. I
>was trying to figure out how the aft end of the trim cable gets secured when
>I found the nut welded to a small steel plate in the manual trim hardware
>bag. I can only assume that this somehow gets attached to the access cover
>which then holds the cable in place.
>
>Questions:
>
>- Are there seperate manual trim instructions somewhere? I can find no
>reference in the instructions and the plans only have a small picture of
>this that I could find.
>
>- Did you just rivet this nut/steel plate to the access cover? Seems that if
>you did it this way it would be a challenge to 'turn' the access cover/nut
>onto the trim cable. (I positioned my manual trim cable higher on a center
>post, so I have no slack to pull it out farther.)
>
>I'm thinking a nutplate on the back side of the steel plate to attach it to
>the access cover. That would allow you to remove the access cover without
>removing the trim cable and such.
>
>
>Matthew Brandes,
>Van's RV-9A (Wiring)
>#90569
> <http://www.n523rv.com/> http://www.n523rv.com
>
>EAA Chapter 1329 President
>EAA Chapter 868 Web Editor
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: FS: Manual elevator trim cable |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jamie Painter <jamie@jpainter.org>
Trim cable is sold. Goodness...that was quick! ;-)
DO NOT ARCHIVE
>--> RV-List message posted by: Jamie Painter <jamie@jpainter.org>
>
>For Sale:
>
>Brand new, never before used manual trim cable for RV-7/7A, RV-9/9A (and
>possibly -6/6A).
>
>Van's lists the price at $79.50. Will sell for $50.00 + shipping.
>
>Jamie D. Painter
>RV-7A Fuselage
>
>
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| Subject: | LSA Medical (was 7A Project For Sale) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Marty" <martorious@earthlink.net>
This is something the FAA is still hashing out. The double standard
they present says on one side that all you have to have is a driver's
license (which says to me that as far as they're concerned if you are
able to drive a car, you can fly, medically speaking) but then they
turn around and say you can not get an LSA if you have ever had a
medical certificate denied, which seems to imply that even though you
don't have to have a medical, per se, they will still hold you to the
same standards as a PPL. This is a conundrum that they are still
trying to get straight.
Marty in Indiana
RV-8A Preview plans in Hand
do not archive
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
>server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Besing
>Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 11:06 AM
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV-List: 7A Project For Sale
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <paul@kitlog.com>
>
>I meant documentation wise. The only thing you need to maintain
>legally is
>a driver's license. There are other responsibilities, of course.
>
>This whole deal is another topic. Bottom line is this is a way for
>some
>people to have the opportunity to fly with medical limitations, while
>the
>rest of us have to maintain higher medical standards so we can fly at
>night
>with heavier airplanes. Now that I put it that way, it hardly makes
>sense
>to me, either!
>
>do not archive this nonsense.
>
>Paul Besing
>RV-6A Sold
>Kitlog Builder's Software
>www.kitlog.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
>LarryRobertHelming
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: 7A Project For Sale
>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming"
><lhelming@sigecom.net>
>
>I hate to disagree so let me say I have another idea on this. More
>is
>needed medically for a flying with Sport Pilot Certificate than a
>driver's
>license. It also requires the PIC to consider his/her physical and
>mental
>condition before and during every flight and if any reason is known
>that
>would make the PIC unqualified or unsafe then that means a self
>grounding is
>warranted. I can drive a car after consuming 1 beer legally with
>possession
>of a driver's license. But I cannot declare myself worthy of being
>PIC
>unless I wait 8 hours after consuming that beer. Antihistamines are
>another
>one.
>
>So, if there is some medical condition that would prevent you from
>renewing
>your PPL medical, and you know about it, then you are not operating
>within
>the spirit of the regs if you are PIC according to my understanding
>of the
>Light Sport air program.
>
>Indiana Larry, RV7 Tip Up Flying 60 Hours
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Paul Besing" <paul@kitlog.com>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: RV-List: 7A Project For Sale
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Paul Besing" <paul@kitlog.com>
>>
>> You are correct. Don't let your medical get denied, or you won't
>get a
>> Sport Pilot Certificate. Just let it lapse. All you need for the
>sport
>> pilot cert is a current driver's license! (Of course many other
>> requirement, but as far as a medical is concerned.)
>>
>> Paul Besing
>> RV-6A Sold
>> Kitlog Builder's Software
>> www.kitlog.com
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dan Morrow
>> To: rv-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV-List: 7A Project For Sale
>>
>>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Morrow"
><DanFM01@butter.toast.net>
>>
>> If you are in danger of not passing your next medical, consider
>this. As
>> I
>> understand it, you can fly under LSA without a medical
>certificate.
>> However if you have failed a medical, you cannot fly LSA until you
>get
>> the
>> medical cleared. You could check with the EAA to see if this is
>correct.
>> It's bizarre, but apparently if you skip your next medical exam,
>you can
>> fly LSA no matter what your medical condition is if you think it is
>safe
>> to
>> do so.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <Trainnut01@aol.com>
>> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: RV-List: 7A Project For Sale
>>
>>
>>> --> RV-List message posted by: Trainnut01@aol.com
>>>
>>> My doctor, (who is a ME but not my ME) has suggested that if I
>wish to
>>> continue flying I should be thinking LSA not RV7A. If that should
>prove
>>> to
>>> be
>>> true, and I'll know next month, how do you sell an incomplete
>project?
>>> How
>>> is an
>>> incomplete project valued?
>>> What are the pitfalls? I would appreciate any advice.
>>>
>>> Carroll Jernigan
>>> RV7A Finishing kit just started.
>>> trainnut01@aol.com
>>> Lenoir City TN
>>>
>>> do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Transition training |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" <sisson@consolidated.net>
oooPs, sorry for the wrong post Meant to go to Steve......
Phil
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Airflow Performance Fuel Adjustments |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ed OConnor <Edwardoconnor@mac.com>
I just ran my XP 360 for the first time and it idled extremely rich.
Black smoke, and soot on exhaust and it would idle much smoother after
leaning about half way back. I called Performance and they said to
shorten the linkage on the throttle arm to the fuel metering arm and I
did this, (two turns) and it seemed to make it worse on the second
run. Anybody out there have any experience adjusting the air flow
performance idle mixture and if so do you have a good procedure to
follow. Performance said I might have an intake leak but I don't think
that is the case. RV-8/XP 360/Vertical updraft FM 200 Airflow
Performance controller
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| Subject: | High Oil temps, Correction to previous message |
--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
I have to apologise to anyone that I may have confused in my response to a a
question about high oil temps yesterday. I had a senior moment and referred
to not using anything smaller than # 8 hoses when I meant to say #12 hoses
(i.e. 3/4 inch hoses and fittings).
Harry Crosby
RV-6 N16CX, 125 hours
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--> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
In a message dated 9/6/2005 7:01:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, ktlkrn@cox.net
writes:
Harry,
Just curious if you have some imperical evidence that a firewall mounted
cooler will cause higher temps? My neigbor has an 8 that he originally mounted
the cooler on the baffles. After experiencing some temp issues he moved it to
the firewall with 3" SCAT tubing. Now everything is fine in the high AZ temps.
I followed his lead and mounted my oil cooler on the firewall. I have the
Stewart Warner 8432R dual pass cooler and have it mounted with 3" SCAT. This
should work great with 25% more cooling area than his. I'm also making a low
pressure ramp on the exit hole of the cowl to assist in removing air.
Darwin N. Barrie
Chandler AZ
Darwin: When I was trying to decide where to mount my oil cooler I called
the folks at Pacific Oil Cooler who supplied my Aero Classic 7 row. Based
upon their experience they advised me strongly against firewall mounting.
They, I believe it was Skid Saurenman, pointed to the fact that a 3 inch SCAT
tube cannot supply as much air flow through the cooler as is available through
a full size opening in the baffles. For example, 3" SCAT has a cross
sectional area of approximately 7 square inches whereas the surface area at the
3 by
6 inch face of my seven row cooler is approximately 18 square inches.
Later, a friend had previously mounted his oil cooler on the firewall of his
6A and had a problem with high oil temps from day one. Based upon my
experience he moved his cooler to the rear baffle and shortened his oil supply
and
return hoses. His high oil temp problem went away. It is also important to
use # 12 hoses (NOT # 8 as I stated yesterday) for the supply and return
lines.
The downside of baffle mounting is of course that the baffles must be
seriously reinforced and stiffened in the mounting area to avoid cracking.
Harry Crosby
RV-6 N16CX, 125 hours
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| Subject: | Re: Airflow Performance Fuel Adjustments |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ted Lumpkin <tlump51@sbcglobal.net>
Ed,
I have the Airflow Performance system on my RV-4 with a IO-360. I started my engine
and adjusted it last February prior to the first flight. I have 55 hours
on it now.
The mixture adjustment linkage is very sensitive. Two turns is a huge adjustment.
You want to turn the adjustment nut one flat at a time. You probably went
from too rich to too lean. If you're lucky enough to have a brave and qualified
friend, the best way is to adjust it while the engine is running.
I also found that after about 30 hours I had to adjust the mixture to be about
two flats leaner than the original setting. I don't know if this is due to engine
break-in.
Hope this helps.
Ted
Ed OConnor <Edwardoconnor@mac.com> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: Ed OConnor
I just ran my XP 360 for the first time and it idled extremely rich.
Black smoke, and soot on exhaust and it would idle much smoother after
leaning about half way back. I called Performance and they said to
shorten the linkage on the throttle arm to the fuel metering arm and I
did this, (two turns) and it seemed to make it worse on the second
run. Anybody out there have any experience adjusting the air flow
performance idle mixture and if so do you have a good procedure to
follow. Performance said I might have an intake leak but I don't think
that is the case. RV-8/XP 360/Vertical updraft FM 200 Airflow
Performance controller
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| Subject: | Abilene Formation Clinic |
1.53 RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO Received: contains an IP address used for HELO
--> RV-List message posted by: sturdy@att.net
Third and final update for the Abilene Frmation Clinic. There are still a few slots left. Two days left until the release of the block of rooms for the clinic. Now is the time to register if you might be coming. If so, go to http://bigcountryairfest.org/html/formation_flight_clinic.html to register for clinic and motel.
I chose Abilene for this clinic to respond to CO, OK, and NM inguiries about clinics
in their vicinity. Now is the chance.
Stu McCurdy
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Third and final update for the Abilene Frmation Clinic. There are still a few slots left. Two days left until the release of the block of rooms for the clinic. Now is the time to register if you might be coming. If so, go to http://bigcountryairfest.org/html/formation_flight_clinic.htmlto register for clinic and motel.
I chose Abilene for this clinic to respond to CO, OK, and NM inguiries about clinics
in their vicinity. Now is the chance.
Stu McCurdy
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne Pedersen" <wayne@pedersentransport.com>
My local airport has no fuel services so I am contemplating a purchase of a
100+ gallon slip tank to store av gas for my planes. I was told that since
av gas is different than mo gas there can be some problems with a non av gas
fuel delivery system i.e. seals breaking down and possible contamination of
the av gas. Anybody have any experience or suggestions as to what has worked
for you ?
Thanks
Wayne Pedersen
Rv7a going to the paint shop
--
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| Subject: | Katrina assistance near PDK |
--> RV-List message posted by: "J.T. Helms" <jhelms@i1.net>
An acquaintence thru another group just posted this on another forum.
Thought some of you near PDK might be able/interested in helping. They need
stuff do send, pilots/planes, help on ground loading flights, etc. Here's
the info:
1. Angel Flight of Georgia (AFG) located PDK, has a desperate need for
pilots, planes and ground volunteers.
2. I have volunteered to become the point of contact (POC)for COPA here at
KPDK. My name is Doug Snyder cell 404-788-9009, if you don't get me, leave a
VM, I will get back to you. email icsdoug@bellsouth.net I will be continuing
this coordination on the road via phone, email.
3. Minimum pilot qualification levels are as follows:
A. Private Pilot w/IFR (due to TFR's), min 250 hours total time.
B. Application <http://www.angelflight-ga.org/pilotappssl.htm> completed
and faxed into the number posted with attached documentation (requirements
posted on website).
C. We are trying to develop a quick pilot orientation briefing to allow
patient transport, as these flights still have the same urgent need.
4. You can fly to PDK, land, go into the AF office (Main Building, 2nd
Floor) and fill out the required paperwork and be in the air within an hour.
It would be best to complete the documentation prior to arrival. There is a
mass aircrew brief at 1030EDT 7SEP05 at the AF office, missions will be
distributed following the brief.
D. AFG has developed a collection point for needed supplies and distributing
them from PDK Mercury Hangar.
E. Mercury ( and other participating FBO's) are offering a discount on fuel
to AFG pilots.
F. Most missions are supplies, some personnel transport. There is security
and a POC at each location.
G. We are not giving the destination locations as the need changes so
quickly. The average flight distance is 300 miles one way from PDK. Most
locations are accessible by air only, at this time. VFR only!
F. Fuel is available at some destinations, some not, coordination will be
made before departure. The delivery flight must land and takeoff before
darkness, as there is no power.
G. I dont' have much time to answer general questions, beyond those listed
here.
H. Lastly, If you want to relocate to PDK and fly from here. I have room for
3-5 people at my house and one small vehicle. First come first served.
JT
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| Subject: | 396 Problem Interim Report |
autolearn=ham version=3.0.2
--> RV-List message posted by: Larry Pardue <n5lp@warpdriveonline.com>
Howdy,
I reported previously on an incident, this weekend, where my XM weather and
audio service was deactivated, in flight. I was not able to restore
service, according to XM, because their computers were being upgraded.
I was surprised, and gratified, to be contacted by Garmin support, this
morning, by e-mail, on the basis of the note I posted previously.
I had a chat with some of the support team and they decided my problem was
probably caused by account problems with XM.
The 396 and the smart antenna are supposed to have the same radio ID number.
Mine did not and I originally had a problem getting both the weather and
audio activated. After talking to Garmin about it I called XM again and had
them remove the bad number and just activate the correct number. That
seemed to work. Both parts of the XM service worked fine, for several short
flights and through keeping the unit on quite a bit at home to look at the
weather data and practice using the machine.
The Garmin people believe that the problems with two ID numbers caused the
account to get fouled up and an erroneous code was send to deactivate the
service. They suggested I call a supervisor at XM to explain the situation
and get it corrected.
I did call the supervisor, and though she was very cooperative, she was
still not able to help me because the computers are still down. She said
they now should be up by tomorrow morning.
It looks like Garmin and XM have both contributed to my problems and there
may be a lesson here about the difficulties of having to deal with two
separate corporations for product support.
At one point I was about ready to chuck this receiver into the nearest pond.
I am now somewhat optimistic that one day, maybe even soon, my expensive box
will once again do what it is supposed to.
And oh, any computer experts out there looking for a job, I know a big
company who needs you bad.
Larry Pardue
Carlsbad, NM
RV-6 N441LP Flying
http://n5lp.net
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| Subject: | Airflow Performance Fuel Adjustments |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Wentz, Don" <don.wentz@intel.com>
Ed,
I've flown my Airflow unit on an O-360 900+ hours since 94.
Ted is exactly right - when adjusting for 'final idle mixture' you're
usually moving 1/2 of a flat for the final tweaking.
In my experience, the AP systems come from the factory set 'too rich',
and need some adjustment.
Note that 2 things are very critical in doing the adjustment -
1 - Make very sure that you only see a 50 rpm rise during the 'lean
check'. More or less is not acceptable.
2 - The engine must be 'hot', or fully warmed, or else your setting will
only work for the first couple minutes of engine operation following a
cold start.
My unit has served me well all these years, but the initial mixture
adjustment is a bit of a challenge.
Dw
RV-6 N790DW
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ted Lumpkin
Subject: Re: RV-List: Airflow Performance Fuel Adjustments
--> RV-List message posted by: Ted Lumpkin <tlump51@sbcglobal.net>
Ed,
I have the Airflow Performance system on my RV-4 with a IO-360. I
started my engine and adjusted it last February prior to the first
flight. I have 55 hours on it now.
The mixture adjustment linkage is very sensitive. Two turns is a huge
adjustment. You want to turn the adjustment nut one flat at a time.
You probably went from too rich to too lean. If you're lucky enough to
have a brave and qualified friend, the best way is to adjust it while
the engine is running.
I also found that after about 30 hours I had to adjust the mixture to be
about two flats leaner than the original setting. I don't know if this
is due to engine break-in.
Hope this helps.
Ted
Ed OConnor <Edwardoconnor@mac.com> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: Ed OConnor
I just ran my XP 360 for the first time and it idled extremely rich.
Black smoke, and soot on exhaust and it would idle much smoother after
leaning about half way back. I called Performance and they said to
shorten the linkage on the throttle arm to the fuel metering arm and I
did this, (two turns) and it seemed to make it worse on the second run.
Anybody out there have any experience adjusting the air flow performance
idle mixture and if so do you have a good procedure to follow.
Performance said I might have an intake leak but I don't think that is
the case. RV-8/XP 360/Vertical updraft FM 200 Airflow Performance
controller
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| Subject: | The Easter Egg RV is no more |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
When I purchased N1610P the paint scheme was not to my liking.
Primarily because there was purple. Too much purple. Red next
to purple with no grey between them.
Seems some folks in Alabama called it the Easter Egg. How degrading.
But alas changing it seemed out of the question until a neighbor
made an offer I could not refuse. So I did all the prep work and he
painted.
Four weeks later it is a new airplane. Purple leg fairings became grey.
Red spinner is now grey. Vertical red strip on the back end of the
rudder is grey.
And to end my color misery, the red/purple all became a navy blue.
This morning I flew it for the first time. It leapt into the air with
assurance.
It looked better. It was at one with the sky around me. Even the COS
controllers seemed nicer.
Pic before is here:
http://www.pcisys.net/~ronlee/RV6A/SilverWestAugust2003/1610PSmall.jpg
Current pic is as follows:
http://home.pcisys.net/~ronlee/RV6A/RVPaint.jpg
I need some accent stripes of some sort still but that can wait. I am
open to suggestions on accent styling colors as long as no purple
is involved. Email me privately if you have suggestions.
Ron Lee
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--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
Anyone have a recommendation source for a good quality and best price 2 1/4 g meter
New?
Darrell
---------------------------------
Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.
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| Subject: | Re: The Easter Egg RV is no more |
--> RV-List message posted by: DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com
Way to go Ron. It definitely looks better & accent stripes will be the final
touch. Many times we have wished we had kept it. Hope to see u at LOE if
fuel prices don't keep going.
Take care.
Doug
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| Subject: | Matronics Web Server Upgrade Today Tuesday 09/06/05 5pm PDT |
--> RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
I will be taking the Matronics Web Server down for a few hours today,
Tuesday September 6 2005 for a chassis upgrade. Archive browsing and
searching along with subscription services will be unavailable for
about 2 hours beginning at 5pm PDT. Incoming and outgoing email will
be processed normally during the upgrade. Please check the Matronics
System Status Page for updates (although this page resides on the web
server and won't be available during the upgrade):
http://www.matronics.com/SystemStatus/
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| Subject: | Re: bulk fuel tank |
--> RV-List message posted by: "dick martin" <martin@gbonline.com>
Dear Wayne
For the last 30 years I have used standard automotive and farm fuel storage
and delivery equipment. There has never been a problem (other than taxes
and bureaucrats)with these various systems.
Dick Martin
Martin Aerodrome
N233M RV8
the fast one
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne Pedersen" <wayne@pedersentransport.com>
Subject: RV-List: bulk fuel tank
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Wayne Pedersen"
> <wayne@pedersentransport.com>
>
> My local airport has no fuel services so I am contemplating a purchase of
> a
> 100+ gallon slip tank to store av gas for my planes. I was told that
> since
> av gas is different than mo gas there can be some problems with a non av
> gas
> fuel delivery system i.e. seals breaking down and possible contamination
> of
> the av gas. Anybody have any experience or suggestions as to what has
> worked
> for you ?
>
> Thanks
>
> Wayne Pedersen
> Rv7a going to the paint shop
>
>
> --
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Vetterman exhaust/RV4 |
--> RV-List message posted by: John DeCuir <jadecuir@comcast.net>
Well, the time has come to replace my Tolle exhaust system. It's
getting to the point where there's more weld than tube. I've already
ordered the cross-over system from Vetterman, and I'm hoping there
won't be too much modification required. What I'm looking for are some
photos of RV4's showing the exhaust installation. I may be rerouting
some control cables and such, and I'm trying to steal some good ideas
from you experts out there!
I'm hoping the cowling doesn't need work.
John DeCuir
N204CP
RV4 (#21)
Salinas, CA
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| Subject: | Re: The Easter Egg RV is no more |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
Very nice, Ron! I'm sure you are happy to leave the E----- E-- tag
behind. The background of your photos makes me want to visit Colorado again.
Now.....if you would just add some nice purple accent stripes it would
be plum purty...... ;-)
Sam Buchanan (Alabama Folk)
=====================================
Ron Lee wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
>
> When I purchased N1610P the paint scheme was not to my liking.
> Primarily because there was purple. Too much purple. Red next
> to purple with no grey between them.
>
> Seems some folks in Alabama called it the Easter Egg. How degrading.
>
> But alas changing it seemed out of the question until a neighbor
> made an offer I could not refuse. So I did all the prep work and he
> painted.
>
> Four weeks later it is a new airplane. Purple leg fairings became grey.
> Red spinner is now grey. Vertical red strip on the back end of the
> rudder is grey.
>
> And to end my color misery, the red/purple all became a navy blue.
>
> This morning I flew it for the first time. It leapt into the air with
> assurance.
> It looked better. It was at one with the sky around me. Even the COS
> controllers seemed nicer.
>
> Pic before is here:
>
> http://www.pcisys.net/~ronlee/RV6A/SilverWestAugust2003/1610PSmall.jpg
>
> Current pic is as follows:
>
> http://home.pcisys.net/~ronlee/RV6A/RVPaint.jpg
>
> I need some accent stripes of some sort still but that can wait. I am
> open to suggestions on accent styling colors as long as no purple
> is involved. Email me privately if you have suggestions.
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| Subject: | Garmin 396 Problems |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue" <n5lp@warpdriveonline.com>
Howdy,
For anyone who has followed my 396 problems.
As of about 7:30 PM today I am again receiving weather and audio data on my
unit.
The XM supervisor I spoke with this afternoon reactivated me after I had
been deactivated several days ago for undetermined reasons. The literature
says the activation should become effective in a few minutes, but in this
case it took about 4 hours. According to the the XM representative I
telephoned, that is because of computer problems.
It has been disturbing, but Garmin, at least, has been very responsive, XM
has apologized a lot. I hope for no further problems.
Larry Pardue
Carlsbad, NM
RV-6 N441LP Flying
http://n5lp.net
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--> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
Check on down the list under " RV stuff for sale",there was one there.
Bob Olds RV-4 , N1191X
A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor
Charleston,Arkansas
Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers
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| Subject: | ed hicks wny visit |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Steven DiNieri" <capsteve@adelphia.net>
Ed hicks is visiting western new york (Niagara falls)for two more days and
has room in his schedule for some air to airs.. he'll be pretty busy when he
gets to Oswego-fulton for the rv forum this weekend. If interested call my
cell 716 579 5790 steve d
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| Subject: | Re: ed hicks wny visit |
--> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com
In a message dated 9/6/2005 10:18:47 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
capsteve@adelphia.net writes:
Ed hicks is visiting western New York (Niagara Falls)
.......................Slowly I turn, step by step....inch by inch....
Sorry, I couldn't help it and do not archive
GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 761hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)
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