---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 09/16/05: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:29 AM - Re: True-track? (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)) 2. 06:35 AM - Re: True-track? (Dale Mitchell) 3. 07:26 AM - New wing tip (Darrell Reiley) 4. 07:56 AM - Re: Renew medical (Chuck Jensen) 5. 09:19 AM - Re: True-track? (sportav8r@aol.com) 6. 09:24 AM - Re: garmin gps- Airmap 500 FS (sportav8r@aol.com) 7. 10:47 AM - Tubling AI video or animation... (Bill VonDane) 8. 02:38 PM - Re: Renew medical (LarryRobertHelming) 9. 04:40 PM - Re: Renew medical (Frank Stringham) 10. 04:57 PM - For Sale: Turn Coordinator (Tom & Carol Strong) 11. 08:35 PM - Re: Renew medical (sportav8r@aol.com) 12. 10:25 PM - Re: Renew medical (JOHN STARN) 13. 11:02 PM - Looking for RV-8 Owner with large LCD Panel Display (Robin Marks) 14. 11:47 PM - Re: Renew medical (JOHN STARN) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:29:23 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: True-track? From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" I know many Rv-builders are using this new gadget...and I think there is no other, at a lower price right? Wrong. Trio Avionics is now shipping units. I just got mine installed and will report after I have had a weekend to fly it. You can look at the feature set on-line and see how it does more than the Altrak unit. Since I have both, Ill be able to make good comparisons for ya. Look for a report next week. www.trioavionics.com Best Mike Hope to see some of you at the RV fly-in in Tn Sat. Do Not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:35:54 AM PST US From: Dale Mitchell Subject: Re: RV-List: True-track? --> RV-List message posted by: Dale Mitchell Try this link http://www.steinair.com/trutrak.htm Dale --- bertrv6@highstream.net wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: > bertrv6@highstream.net > > > Hi: > > Do any one knows the E-mail address for the mfg. > of the Altitude Hold > unit by True-Track? Am I misspelling this? I tried > to log in, by using this > with no luck.. > > Want to check on this unit, and price etc.. > > I know many Rv-builders are using this new > gadget...and I think > there is no other, at a lower price right? > > > Thanks > > Bert > rv6a > > On my 40hours... > > Do Not archive > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > > > > > > __________________________________ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:26:43 AM PST US From: Darrell Reiley Subject: RV-List: New wing tip --> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley I'm hearing more about a new wing tip for the RV7 that uses the RV10 landing lights. Does anyone have a picture of this setup? "do not archive" Darrell ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:56:07 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Renew medical From: "Chuck Jensen" --> RV-List message posted by: "Chuck Jensen" Bert, You ain't even close yet. 3-4 months is not uncommon now. The FAA Medical outfit in Oklahoma is out of control. Special Meds are S.O.L. They only accept data gathered within 60 days of the due date...and they don't get around to 'looking' at the submittal for 90-120 days, so every year, there is a 30-60 day window during which the medical has expired, but a new one has not been issued. FAA acknowledges it, but refuses to do anything about it. Bureaucrats, functionaries and retired Vets (and not the war-type). I personally had an incident where a document was being submitted and I was told it was 'under review" once a week for 3 months, then they admitted they couldn't find the document. By mail and fax, I submitted the same 2 page document a total of 4 times before they were finally able to log it, scan it and get it into my file. AOPA did a pilot survey about the Medical Section in Tulsa. The results were uniform--awful. If there is any reason that your local AME defers the decision/paperwork has to Oklahoma, you may know that you are in trouble and in for a long, tortuous process of seeking a resolution. Probably the most non-responsive bureaucracy in the government to day--and that' saying something. Chuck Do Not Archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bertrv6@highstream.net Subject: RV-List: Renew medical --> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net Hi: Just tought, maybe some one there have some experience on getting the medical renew, faster than I have experience this year.. It has been exactly,2months and 2 weeks now., ant they keep telling me is on review.... No medical problems. Anxious to complete my 40 hours ... Bert rv6a Do Not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:19:28 AM PST US From: sportav8r@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: True-track? --> RV-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com Looking forward to the PIREP, Mike. Remember, though, that you can only say good things about the unit, since I have already decided to install one as soon as I can ;-) This is based on my excellent experience so far with Trio and their A/P. Unless your Trio alt hold rolls over and goes TU on the first flight, I'm getting myself one; can hardly wait! -Stormy -----Original Message----- From: Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) Subject: RE: RV-List: True-track? --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" I know many Rv-builders are using this new gadget...and I think there is no other, at a lower price right? Wrong. Trio Avionics is now shipping units. I just got mine installed and will report after I have had a weekend to fly it. You can look at the feature set on-line and see how it does more than the Altrak unit. Since I have both, Ill be able to make good comparisons for ya. Look for a report next week. www.trioavionics.com Best Mike Hope to see some of you at the RV fly-in in Tn Sat. Do Not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:24:53 AM PST US From: sportav8r@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Re: garmin gps- Airmap 500 FS --> RV-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com I have an Airmap 500 that I will ship out for $295 complete with standard accessories; just got a used Garmin 296 and plan to keep my crude-but-effective Magellan 315 in the glove box as backup. Airmap is now my middle child and can go to a new home. Email me this week or watch for it on eBay later ;-) -Stormy do not archive -----Original Message----- From: gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com Subject: RV-List: Re: garmin gps --> RV-List message posted by: Bob: You left some info out, but by new flyer I assume he is a private pilot and will be flying Rental planes or His own plane? Here is Garmins web site: http://www.garmin.com/aviation/products.html#portable You can look at each model (current and past). Some models have been discontinued but are available at discount on the web or eBay. Dealer prices on used equipment is too high. eBay is a good place for a used GPS. Many people upgrade to new color models (296/396) making the 195/196 a bargain. Even the 296 color is often found used as people upgrade to the 396. I would not upgrade to the 396 unless you are ready to pay for the X-M radio weather service which cost $30 a month. Unless he is flying cross-country all the time I would not buy a new pilot a 396. First a portable GPS is almost a must have now a days. You choice of the Garmin brand is pretty much a sure bet. The models you may consider are: GPS III pilot (compact, discontinued) 96 (compact) 96c (color) 195 (discontinued) 295 (color discontinued) 196 296 (color) 396 (color, terrain, wx) They are all good, money, screen size, color is most of the factor. the older GPSIII and 195 are a little slower to refresh the screan if you zoom in or out but this is a minor issue. I have a Garmin 195 and love it. The are not made any more but they sell for about $300-$350 on the used market. It is like a 196, which is a newer model, but it is also has a B&W screen, which is orientated horizontal vs. vertical. The older models like the 195, 196 are available on the used market as people upgrade to the color models like the 296 and 396. Color is nice but not needed. You can buy a used GPS for $300 to $2,500 for a new 396. They all do about the same thing. Even the older GPSIII and GPS 195 have airspace warning and airport data (freq and runway info). How much do you love you Son and how much money do you have : - ) Given the choice the 196 is a better choice in my opinion than the 96/c. However the 196 is a bigger piece of equipment to haul around if he is jumping in different planes such as in a rental situation. If he owns a plane than the bigger screen is to me much better than the tiny 96 screen. For the price of a new 96 you can buy a used 195/196. The other good value brand is Lowrance http://www.lowrance.com/Aviation/ You can get a map Lowrance 500 or map 1000 deeply discounted new or used (eBay) for less the $500. >Match: #4 >Message: #133317 >Date: Sep 14, 2005 > >From: Bob Janes >Subject: garmin gps > >Thinking about buying my son a gps. He is a new flyer. Can anybody recommend (or >not) the garmin 96? I'm also looking at the garmin 196. Thanks for any help. Bob --------------------------------- Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:47:42 AM PST US From: "Bill VonDane" Subject: RV-List: Tubling AI video or animation... --> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" Anyone have or know where I can get a video or animation of a tumbling attitude indicator? Contact me off list... Thanks! -Bill bill@vondane.com do not archive ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:38:54 PM PST US From: "LarryRobertHelming" Subject: Re: RV-List: Renew medical --> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" Sounds like another reason for renewing the medical annually rather waiting for it to be mandated; The other reason is more frequent medicals should lower your insurance cost. Indiana Larry, RV7 Tip Up SunSeeker 61 hours and still grinning......Keep them rivet guns barking boys.......... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ " Happiness: like a butterfly, when pursued, is always beyond our grasp, but which, if one sits quietly, may light upon you." Nathaniel Hawthorne ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Jensen" Subject: RE: RV-List: Renew medical > --> RV-List message posted by: "Chuck Jensen" > snip > > Probably the most non-responsive bureaucracy in the government to > day--and that' saying something. > > Chuck > > Do Not Archive > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > bertrv6@highstream.net > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Renew medical > > --> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net > > > Hi: > > Just tought, maybe some one there have some experience on getting > the medical renew, faster than I have experience this year.. > > It has been exactly,2months and 2 weeks now., ant they keep telling me > is > on review.... > > No medical problems. > > > Anxious to complete my 40 hours ... > > Bert > > rv6a > > Do Not archive ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:40:28 PM PST US From: "Frank Stringham" Subject: Re: RV-List: Renew medical --> RV-List message posted by: "Frank Stringham" Maybe....but how about sport pilot (SPL) rules PLUS for the private certifcate. I feel that it should have been that way in the first place instead of this SPL thing. Just allow we GA guys and gals to fly on the drivers lic. with all the same rules we now enjoy as private pilots. The new SPL seems to say 1. we will allow you to destory a slow two seater if you have a disabling med. problem while flying, but not a slow somewhat heavyer 4 seater. 2. Don't ask don't tell.....if your denied the Private medical your sol for the SPL....so just don't get the medical and fly away even though you may have the same problem that grounded the individual that was denied a medical. 3. Just don't get the medical / forget insurance and fly anywhere, anytime. I know a number of pilots thast are in cat 3. Finally the medical rules have become the gov. / FAA simplest way to eliminate as many GA types as possible. W are a nuisance to the real flying world .......bankrupt airlines....yea right. It would be interestying to know how many aviation accidents are caused because of medical incapcitation. I would be FEW if ANY.................. I know I am just blowing smoke in the wind and that my little corner of the world will never see the day when the FAA will become less then a pain in our --- with their gestapo tacktics. They and their fed gov providers can't wait for the day when GA is greatly limited if not DEAD. Thanks for allowing me this moment of over zealous speech making and I apolagize for being off topic. Frank @ sgu and slc >From: "LarryRobertHelming" >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: >Subject: Re: RV-List: Renew medical >Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:37:22 -0500 > >--> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" > >Sounds like another reason for renewing the medical annually rather waiting >for it to be mandated; The other reason is more frequent medicals should >lower your insurance cost. > >Indiana Larry, RV7 Tip Up SunSeeker 61 hours and still grinning......Keep >them rivet guns barking boys.......... > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > " Happiness: like a butterfly, when pursued, > is always beyond our grasp, but which, > if one sits quietly, may light upon you." > >Nathaniel Hawthorne >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Chuck Jensen" >To: >Subject: RE: RV-List: Renew medical > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Chuck Jensen" > > >snip > > > > Probably the most non-responsive bureaucracy in the government to > > day--and that' saying something. > > > > Chuck > > > > Do Not Archive > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > > bertrv6@highstream.net > > To: rv-list@matronics.com > > Subject: RV-List: Renew medical > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net > > > > > > Hi: > > > > Just tought, maybe some one there have some experience on getting > > the medical renew, faster than I have experience this year.. > > > > It has been exactly,2months and 2 weeks now., ant they keep telling me > > is > > on review.... > > > > No medical problems. > > > > > > Anxious to complete my 40 hours ... > > > > Bert > > > > rv6a > > > > Do Not archive > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:57:23 PM PST US From: Tom & Carol Strong Subject: RV-List: For Sale: Turn Coordinator --> RV-List message posted by: Tom & Carol Strong I have a new, never powered up, TC from from Aircraft Spruce. It is 3 1/8" non-TSO'd unlighted and electric. P/N 10-22510 I'd be happy to let it go for $250 + shipping. Tom Strong RV9A wiring email me at; tstrong@ida.net ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:35:45 PM PST US From: sportav8r@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Renew medical --> RV-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com Stir the pot, why don't you, Larry ;-) Expect a few sage replies, asking why that should be so, since the predictive value of a clean physical is near-zero, which makes it 99.44% worthless in protecting the unsuspecting public from the incapacitated pilot. If an annual 3rd class medical will significantly lower my insurance premiums, I'll play their little game, but they will have started it. -Stormy -----Original Message----- From: LarryRobertHelming Subject: Re: RV-List: Renew medical --> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" Sounds like another reason for renewing the medical annually rather waiting for it to be mandated; The other reason is more frequent medicals should lower your insurance cost. Indiana Larry, RV7 Tip Up SunSeeker 61 hours and still grinning......Keep them rivet guns barking boys.......... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ " Happiness: like a butterfly, when pursued, is always beyond our grasp, but which, if one sits quietly, may light upon you." Nathaniel Hawthorne ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Jensen" Subject: RE: RV-List: Renew medical > --> RV-List message posted by: "Chuck Jensen" > snip > > Probably the most non-responsive bureaucracy in the government to > day--and that' saying something. > > Chuck > > Do Not Archive > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > bertrv6@highstream.net > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Renew medical > > --> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net > > > Hi: > > Just tought, maybe some one there have some experience on getting > the medical renew, faster than I have experience this year.. > > It has been exactly,2months and 2 weeks now., ant they keep telling me > is > on review.... > > No medical problems. > > > Anxious to complete my 40 hours ... > > Bert > > rv6a > > Do Not archive ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:25:42 PM PST US From: "JOHN STARN" Subject: Re: RV-List: Renew medical --> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" Did ya ever notice that's its only the very rich guys who say "Money not everything". It's the 30 something guys with no medical problems who think passing and paying for all the extra FAA required tests is no big deal in time or money. Ya don't care if the dumps stinks as long as it's in YOUR back yard. You will change your tune when Big Brother THINKS that you MIGHT some type of medical problem that COULD cause THEM a problem IF you screw up. When in doubt SAY NO or require more tests so the "blame" can be placed at anyone else's feet. It's called the Blame Game, Not me musta been some otherbuddy, Protect Your Posterior. If you doubt what I say look at what's happening in New Orleans. KABONG Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: RV-List: Renew medical > --> RV-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com > > Stir the pot, why don't you, Larry ;-) > > Expect a few sage replies, asking why that should be so, since the > predictive value of a clean physical is near-zero, which makes it 99.44% > worthless in protecting the unsuspecting public from the incapacitated > pilot. > > If an annual 3rd class medical will significantly lower my insurance > premiums, I'll play their little game, but they will have started it. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:02:34 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: Looking for RV-8 Owner with large LCD Panel Display From: "Robin Marks" --> RV-List message posted by: "Robin Marks" Dear Listers, There is a well known -8 owner that has a site featuring his plane including custom panel that includes a PC and large LCD display etc... Can anyone send me a link to his site? I have been looking for a few days and can not find it again. Thanks, Robin RV-4 200 hours ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:47:44 PM PST US From: "JOHN STARN" Subject: Re: RV-List: Renew medical --> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" Blew it, the word "NOT" has been added to the dump quote. And the word "have" added after the word MIGHT. That's what I get for typing & watching the Anaheim Angels (12 innings) at the same time. KABONG > --> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" > > Did ya ever notice that's its only the very rich guys who say "Money not > everything". > > It's the 30 something guys with no medical problems who think passing and > paying for all the extra FAA required tests is no big deal in time or > money. > > Ya don't care if the dumps stinks as long as it's NOT in YOUR back yard. > > You will change your tune when Big Brother THINKS that you MIGHT have some > type > of medical problem that COULD cause THEM a problem IF you screw up. > When in > doubt SAY NO or require more tests so the "blame" can be placed at anyone > else's feet. > > It's called the Blame Game, Not me, musta been some otherbuddy, Protect > Your > Posterior. If you doubt what I say look at what's happening in New > Orleans. > > KABONG Do Not Archive > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Subject: Re: RV-List: Renew medical