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1. 05:10 AM - N121PR flies! (John Paulich III)
2. 05:48 AM - Re: N121PR flies! (Mickey Coggins)
3. 06:06 AM - Re: N121PR flies! (AYRES, JIMMY L)
4. 06:13 AM - Re: N121PR flies! (Frank Stringham)
5. 06:26 AM - Re: Anywhere map? (David Leonard)
6. 07:20 AM - Re: Renew medical (Bob)
7. 07:20 AM - Re: N121PR flies! (Richard Dudley)
8. 08:25 AM - Re: Renew medical (Bob Collins)
9. 08:43 AM - Re: Renew medical (Chuck Jensen)
10. 09:27 AM - Re: Anywhere map? (Greg Young)
11. 10:21 AM - Trim control modules (D Paul Deits)
12. 10:51 AM - Re: N121PR flies! (Charles Rowbotham)
13. 11:00 AM - Re: Anywhere map? (Mickey Coggins)
14. 11:38 AM - Stride Tool / Imperial Tubing Bender (Dwight Frye)
15. 11:40 AM - (Charles heathco)
16. 12:32 PM - Re: Panel Mounted GPS (Richard Bibb)
17. 12:45 PM - Re: (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
18. 12:56 PM - hanger at Paine (Rodney Tong)
19. 01:29 PM - 5-point Hooker Harness in RV8 (Mickey Coggins)
20. 01:32 PM - Re: (Pat Hatch)
21. 02:18 PM - Sun Screen (bertrv6@highstream.net)
22. 02:30 PM - Re: 5-point Hooker Harness in RV8 (Brian Denk)
23. 02:46 PM - RvAtor Receipt? ()
24. 03:23 PM - Re: RvAtor Receipt? (hcrv6@comcast.net)
25. 03:37 PM - Re: RvAtor Receipt? (Bill Cary)
26. 03:49 PM - Re: RvAtor Receipt? (Darrell Reiley)
27. 03:49 PM - Re: Sun Screen (RV6 Flyer)
28. 03:51 PM - Re: RvAtor Receipt? (RV6 Flyer)
29. 03:58 PM - Optional Brake Line Popping (Sherri & Paul Richardson)
30. 04:45 PM - Re: Optional Brake Line Popping (Ed Anderson)
31. 05:08 PM - Re: RvAtor Receipt? (Dave Bergh)
32. 05:29 PM - For Sale: Whelen HDACF Power Supply (Dan Checkoway)
33. 06:13 PM - Condition Maintenance Inspection (Duane Bentley)
34. 06:37 PM - Re: Sun Screen (Ron Lee)
35. 06:48 PM - Re: Panel Mounted GPS (Larry Rosen)
36. 06:51 PM - Re: Anywhere map? (Charlie England)
37. 06:55 PM - Re: Condition Maintenance Inspection (linn walters)
38. 07:07 PM - Re: Anywhere map? (Rusty)
39. 07:31 PM - Re: Anywhere map? (Rick Leach)
40. 09:29 PM - Re: Condition Maintenance Inspection (Greg Young)
41. 09:52 PM - Re: Condition Maintenance Inspection (RV6 Flyer)
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--> RV-List message posted by: "John Paulich III" <jpaulich@earthlink.net>
Add another RV-7 to the fleet. N121PR took to the air over Naples, Florida (KAPF)
Sunday morning. The quickbuild received its airworthiness certificate Saturday
afternoon by DAR Al Bennett. Builder buddy Dale Savage and I corrected
the squawks as they were called out. After receiving the ticket, my plan was
to button it back up for an early morning first flight to catch the weather before
buildup. We worked diligently until 4:00 pm when I had to kick everyone
out of the hanger (surprise party at 5:00 pm, don't ask). I figured that there
was an hour's work left to do. If I could just get to the hanger early enough,
the "go" window might still be open. No alarm, up at 5:30 am (actually, stayed
in bed until that time), hanger at 6:00. Three hours later, finally done
(with the help of hanger bum, Mike Lamb). Home to shower, shave, eat, and to
collect the essentials (i.e., wife).
On the way to the airport my wife, Sara, phoned the rest of the ground and support
crew: Our son, John, his girlfriend Danielle, and EAAers Dale Savage and
Mike Lamb. Light winds an a few scattered clouds made it a go. Engine fired
up, avionics on, no sound from COM1. The minor squawk was corrected when Dale
retrieved my headset from the hanger (note to all of you awaiting your first
flight: have good ground support!). The airplane was stable through the taxi
tests. One final scroll through the checklist and I was cleared for takeoff
on runway 05. Wow! The RV jumped into the air. Even at the expected Vy, I was
at 1200 feet at the opposite threshold of the 5000 ft. runway. It was like
riding an elevator. Circling orientation for 45 minutes, all gauges green, then
back on the ground with a perfect three-bounce landing. Mixture, idle cutoff.
Mags, off. Master, off. RV grin, still on.
Thanks to all the RVers on the list for the knowledge and encouragement. Stein,
you helped build a great panel. I'll get you a photo soon, I promise. My wife
was ever supportive throughout the building process. My gratitude goes to
Dale Savage, Luke Claremont, John Villada, and many others that joined in the
effort sharing numerous hours.
The weather's looking good, gotta go.
John Paulich
N121PR
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| Subject: | Re: N121PR flies! |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
Hi John,
Congrats! I'll add "install headset to pilot" onto my
preflight checklist.
Best regards,
Mickey
> ... Engine fired up, avionics on, no sound from
> COM1. The minor squawk was corrected when Dale retrieved my headset
> from the hanger (note to all of you awaiting your first flight: have
> good ground support!). ...
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 finishing
do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: "AYRES, JIMMY L" <JAYRES@entergy.com>
Congrats John! If you don't mind, why don't you share with us other
builders your list of DAR "squawks" so that we can learn from your
experience.
Thanks and happy flying
Jimmy Ayres
RV7A QB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Paulich III
Subject: RV-List: N121PR flies!
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Paulich III" <jpaulich@earthlink.net>
Add another RV-7 to the fleet. N121PR took to the air over Naples, Florida
(KAPF) Sunday morning. The quickbuild received its airworthiness
certificate Saturday afternoon by DAR Al Bennett. Builder buddy Dale Savage
and I corrected the squawks as they were called out. After receiving the
ticket, my plan was to button it back up for an early morning first flight
to catch the weather before buildup. We worked diligently until 4:00 pm
when I had to kick everyone out of the hanger (surprise party at 5:00 pm,
don't ask). I figured that there was an hour's work left to do. If I could
just get to the hanger early enough, the "go" window might still be open.
No alarm, up at 5:30 am (actually, stayed in bed until that time), hanger at
6:00. Three hours later, finally done (with the help of hanger bum, Mike
Lamb). Home to shower, shave, eat, and to collect the essentials (i.e.,
wife).
On the way to the airport my wife, Sara, phoned the rest of the ground and
support crew: Our son, John, his girlfriend Danielle, and EAAers Dale
Savage and Mike Lamb. Light winds an a few scattered clouds made it a go.
Engine fired up, avionics on, no sound from COM1. The minor squawk was
corrected when Dale retrieved my headset from the hanger (note to all of you
awaiting your first flight: have good ground support!). The airplane was
stable through the taxi tests. One final scroll through the checklist and I
was cleared for takeoff on runway 05. Wow! The RV jumped into the air.
Even at the expected Vy, I was at 1200 feet at the opposite threshold of the
5000 ft. runway. It was like riding an elevator. Circling orientation for
45 minutes, all gauges green, then back on the ground with a perfect
three-bounce landing. Mixture, idle cutoff. Mags, off. Master, off. RV
grin, still on.
Thanks to all the RVers on the list for the knowledge and encouragement.
Stein, you helped build a great panel. I'll get you a photo soon, I
promise. My wife was ever supportive throughout the building process. My
gratitude goes to Dale Savage, Luke Claremont, John Villada, and many others
that joined in the effort sharing numerous hours.
The weather's looking good, gotta go.
John Paulich
N121PR
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Frank Stringham" <fstringham@hotmail.com>
John
You the man..................Way to go............another dream
fulfilled!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Frank @ sgu and slc
>From: "John Paulich III" <jpaulich@earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: N121PR flies!
>Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 08:16:51 -0400
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "John Paulich III" <jpaulich@earthlink.net>
>
>Add another RV-7 to the fleet. N121PR took to the air over Naples, Florida
>(KAPF) Sunday morning. The quickbuild received its airworthiness
>certificate Saturday afternoon by DAR Al Bennett. Builder buddy Dale
>Savage and I corrected the squawks as they were called out. After
>receiving the ticket, my plan was to button it back up for an early morning
>first flight to catch the weather before buildup. We worked diligently
>until 4:00 pm when I had to kick everyone out of the hanger (surprise party
>at 5:00 pm, don't ask). I figured that there was an hour's work left to
>do. If I could just get to the hanger early enough, the "go" window might
>still be open. No alarm, up at 5:30 am (actually, stayed in bed until that
>time), hanger at 6:00. Three hours later, finally done (with the help of
>hanger bum, Mike Lamb). Home to shower, shave, eat, and to collect the
>essentials (i.e., wife).
>
>On the way to the airport my wife, Sara, phoned the rest of the ground and
>support crew: Our son, John, his girlfriend Danielle, and EAAers Dale
>Savage and Mike Lamb. Light winds an a few scattered clouds made it a go.
>Engine fired up, avionics on, no sound from COM1. The minor squawk was
>corrected when Dale retrieved my headset from the hanger (note to all of
>you awaiting your first flight: have good ground support!). The airplane
>was stable through the taxi tests. One final scroll through the checklist
>and I was cleared for takeoff on runway 05. Wow! The RV jumped into the
>air. Even at the expected Vy, I was at 1200 feet at the opposite threshold
>of the 5000 ft. runway. It was like riding an elevator. Circling
>orientation for 45 minutes, all gauges green, then back on the ground with
>a perfect three-bounce landing. Mixture, idle cutoff. Mags, off. Master,
>off. RV grin, still on.
>
>Thanks to all the RVers on the list for the knowledge and encouragement.
>Stein, you helped build a great panel. I'll get you a photo soon, I
>promise. My wife was ever supportive throughout the building process. My
>gratitude goes to Dale Savage, Luke Claremont, John Villada, and many
>others that joined in the effort sharing numerous hours.
>
>The weather's looking good, gotta go.
>
>John Paulich
>N121PR
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Anywhere map? |
--> RV-List message posted by: David Leonard <wdleonard@gmail.com>
I would agree with some of your points, but it seems to me that you are
trying to compare the AWM to the GX-60. It's not really fair to compare pair
it to an IFR panel mounted GPS unit that costs over $2k. But even if you do,
the biggest drawback is a database that was sometimes 6 months slow to
update.
Then you mention portability issues. Have you tried to move around your
GX-60? :-)
I too have found better performance with the GPS 35. This I have
semi-permanently attached to my RV-6. All I do is slide in the iPaq and I am
ready to go.
For rental planes I also have a bluetooth GPS ($200). The batteries will
last several hours in it, but only about 2 hours in the iPaq. So for short
flights it is very quick and easy. With longer trips, you would want to plug
in most handheld units too. At that point all you need is 1 power cord to
the iPaq (still better that using a remount mounted antenna you would need
with a garmin handheld).
I also use this set-up in my car if I go to an unfamiliar city. set up is
fast, and the iPaq will talk me through my street directions (Mapopolis
software - recommended).
Anyway, that's my 4 cents.
--
Dave Leonard
Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/rotaryroster/index.html
http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/vp4skydoc/index.html
On 9/18/05, Greg Young <gyoung@cs-sol.com> wrote:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Greg Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
>
> Bill,
>
> I've had a love/hate relationship with AnywhereMap for the 5 years I've
> flown with it. One of the reasons I got it was that I carried an Ipaq
> for business and that made it a tremendous bang for the buck to get a
> color moving map - at that time, 2001. If you don't already have a PDA,
> today's value comparison is a lot different. You've got lots of very
> good choices. I spent a lot of time at the 2004 SnF looking for an
> alternative since my Ipaq was dying. I elected to upgrade my Ipaq to a
> 4705 and stay with AWM because it was a dirt cheap choice (aside from
> the Ipaq which I need anyway.) It cost $20 to get a new connector and
> yoke mount plate and a little time to solder 6 tiny wires. The features
> that keep me with them were: the larger much better display of the
> HP4705, the AWM database contains private airports which the Jepp based
> products do not and AWM displays TFRs and provides hourly updates that
> can be downloaded. It's got all the spiffy features of most moving maps
> but those couple were distinctive and a plus for me. But that was 2004.
>
> Now the downside and why I will very probably replace it in the next
> couple months. No particular order other than the first one.
>
> 1) The database, in particular Class B&C boundaries, is WRONG. Well not
> everything but there are known errors that could get you busted. When
> Houston IAH added a new runway the Class B was changed to add an
> East-West corridor with a lowered floor. AWM did not incorporate the
> change until about 6 months after it was effective. When I complained, I
> was told that their database could not handle the complexity and
> besides, AnywhereMap SHOULD NOT BE USED FOR NAVIGATION! Huh??? About a
> year ago, I noticed a difference in the corridor boundary between AWM
> and the Jepp database in my GX-60. Apparently the FAA made an in-stream
> correction to the boundary (moved it 2-3 miles north.) Jepp got it, AWM
> did not. When I told AWM about it they said they used gummint data and
> couldn't change it and besides, AnywhereMap SHOULD NOT BE USED FOR
> NAVIGATION! A few weeks ago I screwed up and was looking at AWM on my
> yoke (instead of the GX in the panel) during my climb out. The
> controller caught me clipping the floor but was cool and just gave me
> the altimeter setting. I thanked him as I pushed over. I sent another
> note to ControlVision about it but got no reply. I have heard from other
> AWM users that other SUA errors exist including wrong altitudes. It is
> also rumored that CV purges their forums of negative comments.
>
> 2) The Ipaq connector and AWM's mounting method is a weak point in the
> system. The serial connector on my old Ipaq failed (so it wouldn't
> charge in my desktop cradle) in part because of the AWM connector/yoke
> mount plate stressing it. The 4705 version is much better but it's still
> a weak point.
>
> 3) It is not realistic to operate off the internal battery. I started
> with a CF card GPS and battery life was extremely short. The CF GPS was
> also poor at capturing satellites and I eventually switched to the
> combined GPS35, cig lighter, serial cable bundle. Performance is good
> but there is no battery only option.
>
> 4) You can strangle yourself with cables. The cable I've got now has one
> cable from the yoke to the cig lighter and one from there to the mouse
> on the glareshield. I just slide the Ipaq into the yoke plate when I get
> in. The connections have evolved and it's way better than what I started
> with. A battery Bluetooth GPS might be even cleaner but I've heard of
> some connection reliability issues with Bluetooth.
>
> 5) The Ipaq is susceptible to cockpit heat. I've had it overheat when I
> left it on the yoke during lunch - with the canopy open, the yoke shaded
> and only ~95deg. Once I had to do a hardware reset to get it back. Other
> times the display started functioning when I got it cooled down. The
> Ipaq was designed for office use so I suspect the dedicated units are
> more tolerant of heat.
>
> 6) I had a bad experience with their PocketPlates product. I bought it
> when it first came out and fooled with it until my subscription ran out.
> It never really worked. They changed formats multiple times, never
> delivered geosync'd plates, you couldn't run it with AWM and their
> update process was fatally flawed. I basically bought into vaporware -
> my fault, I'm a software developer and should have known better.
>
> 7) I'm not real comfortable with the quality of their software
> development. Too many quirks, flaws, architecture issues and rookie
> mistakes to believe they're pros. Like the latest major release, 1.7,
> that corrupted all your user waypoints when you upgraded. Oops... Also,
> on 300nm legs or more I can see a significant difference in the great
> circle route plot between my GX-60 and AWM (several miles apart) - which
> would you bet is right?
>
> 8) Portability is a problem with my setup. Now that I've got everything
> routed and secured I can't really move it to another plane. When I was
> doing my IFR training in a rental I carried it but never used it. On the
> long cross-country after things settled down my instructor pulled his
> Garmin from its bag, turned it on and threw it on the glareshield. It
> would have taken me 10 minutes to sort mine out so I just forgot about
> it.
>
> 9) For auto use, I'd have to buy a street mapping application and then
> worry about how to mount it and get the GPS antenna positioned - i.e.
> see all the above.
>
> With all that said, I've finally had enough. I blown a lot of money and
> way too much time on Control Vision and AWM to still be left with a
> kludgey system. It was great in 2001 but it's time has passed. Now that
> I've seen the Garmin 396, I'm trying hard (well, maybe not that hard) to
> talk myself out of buying one. Then I can get a phone with a PDA and
> I'll have one less thing to carry around. If you can do without the XM
> there are a lot of good deals out there, including NOS 295's. Good
> hunting.
>
> Regards,
> Greg Young - Houston (DWH)
> RV-6 N6GY ...project Phoenix
> Navion N5221K - just an XXL RV-6A
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bill shook
> > Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 4:02 PM
> > To: rv-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RV-List: Anywhere map?
> >
> > --> RV-List message posted by: bill shook <billshook2000@yahoo.com>
> >
> > I've heard good things about the:
> >
> > http://www.anywheremap.com/
> >
> > Being that I'm looking into a handheld, I thought I'd ask in
> > here if anyone has any experiences with this. I'm thinking
> > of using it as a straight gps for flying rentals around while
> > I build as well as in car street mapping.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Bill
> > -4 wings
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: Renew medical |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bob <panamared3@brier.net>
Why is annual medical good? What is the real benefit of a medical
anyway? And how will annual medicals reduce insurance cost?
For those who may consider annual medicals a safe practice for aviation, do
you now get an annual medical without being told to do so by big government?
Bob
RV6 NightFighter
>Sounds like another reason for renewing the medical annually rather waiting
>for it to be mandated; The other reason is more frequent medicals should
>lower your insurance cost.
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| Subject: | Re: N121PR flies! |
--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Dudley <rhdudley@att.net>
Congratulations, John!!!
Great accomplishment and worth every frustrating moment.
Regards,
Richard Dudley
-6A flying
John Paulich III wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "John Paulich III" <jpaulich@earthlink.net>
>
>Add another RV-7 to the fleet. N121PR took to the air over Naples, Florida (KAPF)
Sunday morning. The quickbuild received its airworthiness certificate Saturday
afternoon by DAR Al Bennett. Builder buddy Dale Savage and I corrected
the squawks as they were called out. After receiving the ticket, my plan was
to button it back up for an early morning first flight to catch the weather before
buildup. We worked diligently until 4:00 pm when I had to kick everyone
out of the hanger (surprise party at 5:00 pm, don't ask). I figured that there
was an hour's work left to do. If I could just get to the hanger early enough,
the "go" window might still be open. No alarm, up at 5:30 am (actually,
stayed in bed until that time), hanger at 6:00. Three hours later, finally done
(with the help of hanger bum, Mike Lamb). Home to shower, shave, eat, and
to collect the essentials (i.e., wife).
>
>On the way to the airport my wife, Sara, phoned the rest of the ground and support
crew: Our son, John, his girlfriend Danielle, and EAAers Dale Savage and
Mike Lamb. Light winds an a few scattered clouds made it a go. Engine fired
up, avionics on, no sound from COM1. The minor squawk was corrected when Dale
retrieved my headset from the hanger (note to all of you awaiting your first
flight: have good ground support!). The airplane was stable through the taxi
tests. One final scroll through the checklist and I was cleared for takeoff
on runway 05. Wow! The RV jumped into the air. Even at the expected Vy, I
was at 1200 feet at the opposite threshold of the 5000 ft. runway. It was like
riding an elevator. Circling orientation for 45 minutes, all gauges green,
then back on the ground with a perfect three-bounce landing. Mixture, idle cutoff.
Mags, off. Master, off. RV grin, still on.
>
>Thanks to all the RVers on the list for the knowledge and encouragement. Stein,
you helped build a great panel. I'll get you a photo soon, I promise. My
wife was ever supportive throughout the building process. My gratitude goes to
Dale Savage, Luke Claremont, John Villada, and many others that joined in the
effort sharing numerous hours.
>
>The weather's looking good, gotta go.
>
>John Paulich
>N121PR
>
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
//For those who may consider annual medicals a safe practice for aviation,
do
you now get an annual medical without being told to do so by big government?
I do, yes. I go to my regular doctor to find out if anything is killing me.
And in odd-numbered years I schedule the FAA medical AFTER the regular
physical.
My goal in the first medical is to stay healthy. My goal in the second is to
walk away with a medical certificate by hook or by crook if need be.
Do not archive
Bob
St. Paul
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Chuck Jensen" <cjensen@dts9000.com>
Bob,
I didn't get the connection between the annual medical and lower
insurance either, but starting the biannual medical early will help
eliminate gaps in your medical certificate if you have to submit
routinely submit any medical data to FAA Oklahoma.
Here's the catch. They require the medical data/results to be 'fresh',
no older than 60 days, but when it is submitted, they don't review it
for 90-120 days. So, if you wait until just before your medical expires
to do your exam and any required tests, your license will have expired
for a couple months before you get your new medical
certificate--assuming no additional information is requested--in which
case, you are in big trouble because you have to get the requested
information, then the long wait starts all over again. The FAA WON'T
review the information when it comes in to see that everything is there
that they want. They wait several months, and then request any misc.
stuff they'd like to see, then you go to the back of the line. Get the
picture?
By doing your 2 year medical early, you can wait for them to work
through their (mis)management-induced long queue while you're still
flying, instead of sitting on the ground. Being in the air is better!
Chuck
(Been there, done that)
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob
Subject: Re: RV-List: Renew medical
--> RV-List message posted by: Bob <panamared3@brier.net>
Why is annual medical good? What is the real benefit of a medical
anyway? And how will annual medicals reduce insurance cost?
For those who may consider annual medicals a safe practice for aviation,
do
you now get an annual medical without being told to do so by big
government?
Bob
RV6 NightFighter
>Sounds like another reason for renewing the medical annually rather
waiting
>for it to be mandated; The other reason is more frequent medicals
should
>lower your insurance cost.
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Greg Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
Dave, I'm happy that you're happy with AWM. Apparently many are. As I
said, I've had a love-hate relationship with it. My only comparison of
it with the GX-60 is the accuracy of the database (which is really
Jeppesen) and the route calculation. I take it very personally that
they've screwed up the boundaries of the Class B I live under and won't
fix it despite repeated requests. Of course I'm blissfully unaware of
errors elsewhere in the country I might blunder into. I got from A to B
just fine with a Flybuddy Loran. I have a moving map to give me info to
make my life easier and stay out of trouble. If I can't trust it to the
extent "I" require, it loses utility for "me." If one never flirts with
boundaries it may be a non-issue. This is certainly a case where YMMV as
we each have our own requirements. But it's always better to make an
informed decision.
Regards,
Greg Young - Houston (DWH)
RV-6 N6GY ...project Phoenix
Navion N5221K - just an XXL RV-6A
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: David Leonard <wdleonard@gmail.com>
>
> I would agree with some of your points, but it seems to me
> that you are trying to compare the AWM to the GX-60. It's not
> really fair to compare pair it to an IFR panel mounted GPS
> unit that costs over $2k. But even if you do, the biggest
> drawback is a database that was sometimes 6 months slow to update.
> Then you mention portability issues. Have you tried to move
> around your GX-60? :-) I too have found better performance
> with the GPS 35. This I have semi-permanently attached to my
> RV-6. All I do is slide in the iPaq and I am ready to go.
> For rental planes I also have a bluetooth GPS ($200). The
> batteries will last several hours in it, but only about 2
> hours in the iPaq. So for short flights it is very quick and
> easy. With longer trips, you would want to plug in most
> handheld units too. At that point all you need is 1 power
> cord to the iPaq (still better that using a remount mounted
> antenna you would need with a garmin handheld).
> I also use this set-up in my car if I go to an unfamiliar
> city. set up is fast, and the iPaq will talk me through my
> street directions (Mapopolis software - recommended).
> Anyway, that's my 4 cents.
>
> --
> Dave Leonard
> Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
> http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/rotaryroster/index.html
> http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/vp4skydoc/index.html
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| Subject: | Trim control modules |
--> RV-List message posted by: "D Paul Deits" <pdeits@comcast.net>
Am interested in trim speed adjustment. Have seen some discussion of the product
offered by Rocketboy Aircraft.
Any experiences of this or other related products?
You may respond offline to pdeits@comcast.net
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" <crowbotham@hotmail.com>
John,
CONGRATULATIONS and WELL DONE !!
Chuck & Dave Rowbotham
RV-8A
>From: "John Paulich III" <jpaulich@earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: N121PR flies!
>Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 08:16:51 -0400
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "John Paulich III" <jpaulich@earthlink.net>
>
>Add another RV-7 to the fleet. N121PR took to the air over Naples, Florida
>(KAPF) Sunday morning.
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| Subject: | Re: Anywhere map? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
> ... I take it very personally that
> they've screwed up the boundaries of the Class B I live under and won't
> fix it despite repeated requests. Of course I'm blissfully unaware of
> errors elsewhere in the country I might blunder into. I got from A to B
> just fine with a Flybuddy Loran. I have a moving map to give me info to
> make my life easier and stay out of trouble. If I can't trust it to the
> extent "I" require, it loses utility for "me." If one never flirts with
> boundaries it may be a non-issue. ....
I always considered it a cardinal rule of information - bad data
is worse than no data.
Looking at their website, I could not find any limitations or
warnings like "our product might guide you unknowingly into
controlled airspace" or "our data is often way out of date".
Their documentation does have this disclaimer:
"Software Use: This software is to be used as a supplementary
aid to promote situational awareness only. Do not use as a
primary navigational instrument. Always verify the integrity
and accuracy of any data presented herein."
Basically what they are saying is that you can't trust this
device for navigation. It is a shame that they decided to work
on "amazing" features before they could figure out how to get
accurate data presented to their customers.
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 finishing
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| Subject: | Stride Tool / Imperial Tubing Bender |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dwight Frye <dwight@openweave.org>
This post isn't so much about the tool itself, as it is about the experience
I had trying to buy one. The short version of this story can be summed up by
saying do NOT buy from Amazon.com, and DO buy from Stride Tools. Of course the
problem here is that Stride does not sell to individuals, making it not as
simple as it sounds.
I _had_ heard comments from another list-er that buying via Amazon.com was a
problem for him too. I figured a single report of problems is too small a
sample to draw conclusions from, and decided to gamble. However, I add my
voice to his saying that if you want an Stride/Imperial tubing bender do
NOT go to Amazon.com.
I wanted a 470-FH bender, and found the best price on Amazon.com. Foolishly
a mere $10 difference caused me to order from them, and it was a disaster.
In the end it seems Stride had ceased their Amazon experiment a while back
and even though my credit card was charged (the day after I ordered, none
the less) .. the order was never received or processed by Stride.
After waiting the absurd amount of time Amazon gave me for shipment I called
Stride and ... after some understandable confusion ... was soon talking to
the directory of corporate marketing and customer relations.
He remembered the Amazon experiment. After I tried to see what Amazon had
to say (I filed a complaint, and got little in the way of useful responses
from Amazon), I asked him to just go find a bender and put it in the mail to
me. It was almost more in the way of a joke than anything else, but surely
seemed as good a plan to me as any.
Well, he did it! The bender arrived today, as promised, and I am thrilled at
the superb customer service I received from Stride. Now I just hope the bender
is as good as I've been assured it is. :)
Maybe there is more to the story than I know. Maybe Stride dropped the ball
with Amazon somewhere along the way. Maybe Stride *did* get my order, and they
screwed up. I don't know, but I do know that when the problem was brought to
the attention of both parties Stride made me happy, and Amazon didn't. That
is the bottom line, from my point of view.
-- Dwight
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autolearn=no version=3.0.2
--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles heathco" <cheathco@gvtc.com>
Man I cant beleive how low we have come on this list. You gues should all be shot!!!
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| Subject: | Re: Panel Mounted GPS |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard Bibb" <rebibb@comcast.net>
I made a mount for a Garmin 196 (which I think has the same case as a 396 -
in any event the concept will apply to either).
I can describe the mount as follows and can get a picture of it if anyone is
interested:
1) It uses a modified "auto dash mount" that comes with the Garmin 196.
2) First a panel is cut (I used 0.63 2024) that follows the outline of the
196. The size I use extended between 1/4 and 3/4 inch larger that the
outline of the 196.
3) To this panel is riveted a piece of 0.25 AL that is bent (hadn seamer
would do) to follow the countour of the 196 allowing room to mount the Auto
mount bracket to this piece.
4) The auto bracket is mounted to the al backing piece with four screws by
taking the rubber sheet that the unit rests on off (it peels easily) and
positioning in the opening in the panel.
5) In the panel you cut a provision needs to be made for the "locking tab"
on the auto mount. so you can remove the unit as neeed.
6) The cutout and mount assemble mounts to the main panel with screws in
four corners. You have to cut an approriate size hole in the panel to do
this of course.
I used 1/4 spacers to raise the GPS such that is was not flush with the main
panel but final positioning is up to you.
A picture will make this much clearer so I'l post one later.
Richard Bibb
RV-4 N144KT (rising from the ashes as a 1998 accident to fly again soon)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Patterson" <scc_ron@yahoo.com>
Subject: RV-List: Panel Mounted GPS
> --> RV-List message posted by: Ron Patterson <scc_ron@yahoo.com>
>
> I was planning to mount my Garmin 396 as my primary nav instrument just
under the Dynon D10A. I am in the finishing stage on my RV-4. Trouble is,
the thing looks pretty ugly in the panel using the new snap-in mount that's
been developed.
>
> Anyone have a better mounting system, or a recomendation for another GPS
that will do everything the 396 will do, but is made for permanent mounting?
(I cant afford the 530)
> Ron
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
Charlie,
Absent any subject or text from the previous poster, none of us have ANY
idea what you are talking about. And to top it all off, from this point
forward your message will be in the archives for everyone to retrieve
and have the same problem.
What are you talking about and why did you want to archive it forever?
Mike
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles heathco
Subject: RV-List:
--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles heathco" <cheathco@gvtc.com>
Man I cant beleive how low we have come on this list. You gues should
all be shot!!!
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--> RV-List message posted by: Rodney Tong <rjtong@yahoo.com>
Anyone know of any open hanger space at Paine Field in Everett, WA? I might be
needing to hanger a(don't shoot me) LongEz. You can contact me off list.
Thanks in advance,
Rodney
Rodney Tong
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| Subject: | 5-point Hooker Harness in RV8 |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
I've got the 5-point hooker harness going into my RV8.
The 5th attachment point seems to be a bit too small.
Here are some photos:
http://www.rv8.ch/article.php?story=20050919215924335
Has anyone else had this problem?
Thanks,
Mickey
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 finishing
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" <pat_hatch@msn.com>
It's possible this may be a virus or other hack job and Charlie may be
unaware of it.
Do not archive
Pat
>
Charlie,
Absent any subject or text from the previous poster, none of us have ANY
idea what you are talking about. And to top it all off, from this point
forward your message will be in the archives for everyone to retrieve
and have the same problem.
What are you talking about and why did you want to archive it forever?
Mike
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles heathco
Subject: RV-List:
--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles heathco" <cheathco@gvtc.com>
Man I cant beleive how low we have come on this list. You gues should
all be shot!!
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--> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net
Hi:
Last year when at Oshkosh, I saw a couple I think, Rv's that had the
Plastic- Green in color, as Shade for the Sun...
The same as ones use on Auto... The only thing is I cannot find, any where
same type, but in a size, I need; that is a piece for each side of the
canopy, probably 15/20 or so...I have not measured...
The ones I saw on those planes, look good to me, and it does the job.
I am cheap, I do not want to pay $200, for the nice, unit, with the accordion
type, material...
I could do one out of the best one, use on the windshield of Autos..
I saw one very nice, had binded edges, in black, could cut and install with
velcro,, that is it, I do no want to use velcro attached to the canopy..
Well if any one knows, where I can get the green stuff, in right size..
woult appreciate it.
Bert
rv6a
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| Subject: | 5-point Hooker Harness in RV8 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
>>
>I've got the 5-point hooker harness going into my RV8.
>
>The 5th attachment point seems to be a bit too small.
>Here are some photos:
>
> http://www.rv8.ch/article.php?story=20050919215924335
>
>Has anyone else had this problem?
>
>Thanks,
>Mickey
>--
>Mickey Coggins
>http://www.rv8.ch/
>#82007 finishing
Yes, but with Pacific Aero Harness. Not so much in the same way as yours.
I just had to open up the clevis a bit by bending the tabs out to clear the
thicker belt attach ring. Just grind/bend as needed to make it work for
your attachment fitting. No biggee.
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
RV10 '51
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--> RV-List message posted by: <n1cxo320@peoplepc.com>
I noticed that the RvAtor was mailed week before last...I have not received
one, have others got theirs yet?
DO NOT ARCHIVE
John
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| Subject: | Re: RvAtor Receipt? |
--> RV-List message posted by: hcrv6@comcast.net
Yep, came yesterday.
Do not archive
--
Harry Crosby
RV-6 N16CX, 131 hours
-------------- Original message --------------
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>
> I noticed that the RvAtor was mailed week before last...I have not received
> one, have others got theirs yet?
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> John
>
>
>
>
>
>
Yep, came yesterday.
Do not archive
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Harry Crosby
RV-6 N16CX, 131 hours
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I noticed that the RvAtor was mailed week before last...I have not received
one, have others got theirs yet?
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill Cary" <williamc@rv9builder.com>
Received mine Saturday..
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Bill
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| Subject: | Re: RvAtor Receipt? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
Got my copy today...
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n1cxo320@peoplepc.com wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by:
I noticed that the RvAtor was mailed week before last...I have not received
one, have others got theirs yet?
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Darrell
RV7/622DR Reserved
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--> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer@hotmail.com>
Bert:
I went to my local Pep Boys and purchased a piece of STATIC cling window
tint. The piece was in a box for $12 US and was enough to make 3 pieces.
Searching Pep Boys . com I found this single piece. Two of them may work.
http://www.7453217467431.com/products/productDetails.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=1796905&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=410769&affID=39901&bmUID=1127169524750
Electrostatic cling allows these shades to adhere to windshields or side
windows-18"x22" Darker Easy Shade
MANUFACTURER: Trimbrite
PART NUMBER: T8580
There is a static cling film that has BLACK DOTS on that I have been told
you do not want to use. There was an RV in North Las Vegas that sat in the
sun and the canopy melted or rather distorted. I had that kind and removed
it in favor of the solid green stuff that you can see through.
Hope this helps.
BTW. I have a sliding canopy. That is why I wanted two pieces.
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
1,777 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
http://SoCAL_WVAF.rvproject.com
----Original Message Follows----
From: bertrv6@highstream.net
Subject: RV-List: Sun Screen
--> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net
Hi:
Last year when at Oshkosh, I saw a couple I think, Rv's that had the
Plastic- Green in color, as Shade for the Sun...
The same as ones use on Auto... The only thing is I cannot find, any
where
same type, but in a size, I need; that is a piece for each side of the
canopy, probably 15/20 or so...I have not measured...
The ones I saw on those planes, look good to me, and it does the job.
I am cheap, I do not want to pay $200, for the nice, unit, with the
accordion
type, material...
I could do one out of the best one, use on the windshield of Autos..
I saw one very nice, had binded edges, in black, could cut and install with
velcro,, that is it, I do no want to use velcro attached to the canopy..
Well if any one knows, where I can get the green stuff, in right size..
woult appreciate it.
Bert
rv6a
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--> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer@hotmail.com>
Mine came today.
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
1,777 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
http://SoCAL_WVAF.rvproject.com
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From: <n1cxo320@peoplepc.com>
Subject: RV-List: RvAtor Receipt?
--> RV-List message posted by: <n1cxo320@peoplepc.com>
I noticed that the RvAtor was mailed week before last...I have not received
one, have others got theirs yet?
DO NOT ARCHIVE
John
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| Subject: | Optional Brake Line Popping |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Sherri & Paul Richardson" <prichar@mail.win.org>
Hello All,
I recently put the optional right side brake line kit into my RV-6A. One of the
new brake lines, which are clear tubes, just popped off its fitting at the firewall.
Anyone had this problem and found a fix? I'm wondering if I have to clamp
the lines near the fitting for vibration. I'm not sure if vibration is the
problem yet.
Thanks,
Paul Richardson
RV-6A 106RV
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| Subject: | Re: Optional Brake Line Popping |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Yes, Paul
I had that happen when I built my RV-6A back in 1995. The furrel? was
seated in the line/fitting as best I could tell, but a tug on the line
(fortunately before I filled it with fluid) popped the line off the fitting.
I did not like the ideal of high brake pressure and plastic lines in the
first place, so I switched to stainless steel braided lines. Can't recall
for sure, but it was either An-3 or An-4 sizes. Never had any problem with
them, they also give a more solid feel to the brakes in my opinion..
Ed
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson@carolina.rr.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sherri & Paul Richardson" <prichar@mail.win.org>
Subject: RV-List: Optional Brake Line Popping
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Sherri & Paul Richardson"
> <prichar@mail.win.org>
>
> Hello All,
>
> I recently put the optional right side brake line kit into my RV-6A. One
> of the new brake lines, which are clear tubes, just popped off its fitting
> at the firewall. Anyone had this problem and found a fix? I'm wondering if
> I have to clamp the lines near the fitting for vibration. I'm not sure if
> vibration is the problem yet.
>
> Thanks,
> Paul Richardson
> RV-6A 106RV
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RvAtor Receipt? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Bergh" <dbergh@starband.net>
Mine showed up today.
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Dave Bergh
----- Original Message -----
From: <n1cxo320@peoplepc.com>
Subject: RV-List: RvAtor Receipt?
> --> RV-List message posted by: <n1cxo320@peoplepc.com>
>
> I noticed that the RvAtor was mailed week before last...I have not
received
> one, have others got theirs yet?
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> John
>
>
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| Subject: | For Sale: Whelen HDACF Power Supply |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Builders, want to save $150?
Freshly rebuilt Whelen HDACF 3-channel power supply for sale...$230
including shipping. Details here:
http://www.rvproject.com/forsale/whelen.html
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | Condition Maintenance Inspection |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Duane Bentley" <dbentley@fuse.net>
I understand the need to document the annual condition maintenance
inspection in the Aircraft Log Book, but is there a requirement to also
document the condition maintenance inspection in a separate Engine Log
Book?
Duane Bentley
RV6
N515DB
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--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
Also found at Pep Boys are Axius sunscreens (held by suction
cups). The ones I use are about the size you mentioned and
you can still see through them. They come is a very small
package and unfold to final size.
Ron Lee
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| Subject: | Re: Panel Mounted GPS |
--> RV-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
SteinAir has a couple of different Garmin 196 mounting options. I have
no experience with these mounts but you can see them here
<http://www.steinair.com/panels.htm>
Larry Rosen
RV-10
N205EN (reserved)
Wings
Ron Patterson wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Patterson <scc_ron@yahoo.com>
>
>I was planning to mount my Garmin 396 as my primary nav instrument just under
the Dynon D10A. I am in the finishing stage on my RV-4. Trouble is, the thing
looks pretty ugly in the panel using the new snap-in mount that's been developed.
>
>Anyone have a better mounting system, or a recomendation for another GPS that
will do everything the 396 will do, but is made for permanent mounting? (I cant
afford the 530)
>Ron
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Anywhere map? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
Mickey Coggins wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
>
>
>
>>... I take it very personally that
>>they've screwed up the boundaries of the Class B I live under and won't
>>fix it despite repeated requests. Of course I'm blissfully unaware of
>>errors elsewhere in the country I might blunder into. I got from A to B
>>just fine with a Flybuddy Loran. I have a moving map to give me info to
>>make my life easier and stay out of trouble. If I can't trust it to the
>>extent "I" require, it loses utility for "me." If one never flirts with
>>boundaries it may be a non-issue. ....
>>
>>
>
>I always considered it a cardinal rule of information - bad data
>is worse than no data.
>
>Looking at their website, I could not find any limitations or
>warnings like "our product might guide you unknowingly into
>controlled airspace" or "our data is often way out of date".
>
>Their documentation does have this disclaimer:
>
>"Software Use: This software is to be used as a supplementary
>aid to promote situational awareness only. Do not use as a
>primary navigational instrument. Always verify the integrity
>and accuracy of any data presented herein."
>
>Basically what they are saying is that you can't trust this
>device for navigation. It is a shame that they decided to work
>on "amazing" features before they could figure out how to get
>accurate data presented to their customers.
>
Of course, the docs for every other handheld navigation device and vfr
panel mount loran/gps say virtually the same thing....
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| Subject: | Re: Condition Maintenance Inspection |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
Yes, there is. The engine log contains all the engine data ....
compression, oil changes, parts changed or modified etc. ..... you get
the picture ..... and the airframe log contains all the repairs, new
parts or mods to the airframe itself, such as battery or tire
replacements etc. The feds also want you to keep a propeller log too.
It'll have comments like 'painted face of prop and added white tips' or
some such. You might also put in any 'repairs' to the prop such as
filing out some knicks.
Linn Not particularly fond of paperwork
do not archive
Duane Bentley wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Duane Bentley" <dbentley@fuse.net>
>
>I understand the need to document the annual condition maintenance
>inspection in the Aircraft Log Book, but is there a requirement to also
>document the condition maintenance inspection in a separate Engine Log
>Book?
>
>
>Duane Bentley
>
>RV6
>
>N515DB
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
--> RV-List message posted by: "Greg Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
Dave, I'm happy that you're happy with AWM. Apparently many are. As I said,
I've had a love-hate relationship with it.
Hi Greg,
FWIW, my experience with the Anywhere Map is almost the same as yours. It
has so much potential, but in my opinion, just doesn't deliver in usability.
I've gone through 2 different displays in an RV-3, and just can't use it.
Either the display is too hard to read, or you can't peck on the little
screen in turbulence. I eventually bought a NOS Garmin 195 (back when they
made them in portrait mode, which is how they should be) to use for actual
navigation, and put the Ipaq under the dash in the shade, showing just the
XM weather.
I just sold the RV-3, and the new owner didn't want the Anywhere Map, so now
I'm thinking very seriously about selling it, and buying a 396 for the next
plane. Garmin has never let me down, but the dang Anywhere Map has been
mighty finicky.
Cheers,
Rusty (keeping Dave in line <g>)
RV-8 sold
RV-3 Mazda rotary, sold
RV? next
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Rick Leach" <papadaddyo@tampabay.rr.com>
Bill,
I bought this at sun-n fun this year and run it on an HP ipac.
Works great. I too am a renter as I build.
Rick Leach
N512RM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bill shook
Subject: RV-List: Anywhere map?
--> RV-List message posted by: bill shook <billshook2000@yahoo.com>
I've heard good things about the:
http://www.anywheremap.com/
Being that I'm looking into a handheld, I thought I'd ask in here if
anyone has any
experiences with this. I'm thinking of using it as a straight gps for
flying rentals
around while I build as well as in car street mapping.
Thanks
Bill
-4 wings
--- Ron Patterson <scc_ron@yahoo.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Ron Patterson <scc_ron@yahoo.com>
>
> I was planning to mount my Garmin 396 as my primary nav instrument
just under the
> Dynon D10A. I am in the finishing stage on my RV-4. Trouble is, the
thing looks pretty
> ugly in the panel using the new snap-in mount that's been developed.
>
> Anyone have a better mounting system, or a recomendation for another
GPS that will do
> everything the 396 will do, but is made for permanent mounting? (I
cant afford the
> 530)
> Ron
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Condition Maintenance Inspection |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Greg Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
No, there isn't. The regs set forth requirements to maintain/retain
records of maintenance but there is no requirement for the form of those
records. Separate log books for airframe, engine and prop are long
standing conventions but are not required. You can use a shoebox if you
wish. Logs are a convenient means to segregate records for components
that can be removed so making a redundant entry in the engine log might
help if you ever pull the engine but it's not required. I ran the
Aircraft Records Dept for a major carrier with DC-9's thru 747's and
none had a log book.
Regards,
Greg Young - Houston (DWH)
RV-6 N6GY - project Phoenix
Navion N5221K - just an XXL RV-6A
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of linn walters
> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 8:55 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Condition Maintenance Inspection
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
>
> Yes, there is. The engine log contains all the engine data ....
> compression, oil changes, parts changed or modified etc.
> ..... you get the picture ..... and the airframe log
> contains all the repairs, new parts or mods to the airframe
> itself, such as battery or tire replacements etc. The feds
> also want you to keep a propeller log too.
> It'll have comments like 'painted face of prop and added
> white tips' or some such. You might also put in any
> 'repairs' to the prop such as filing out some knicks.
> Linn Not particularly fond of paperwork do not archive
>
>
> Duane Bentley wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Duane Bentley" <dbentley@fuse.net>
> >
> >I understand the need to document the annual condition maintenance
> >inspection in the Aircraft Log Book, but is there a
> requirement to also
> >document the condition maintenance inspection in a separate
> Engine Log
> >Book?
> >
> >
> >Duane Bentley
> >
> >RV6
> >
> >N515DB
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
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> Photoshare, and much much more:
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| Subject: | Condition Maintenance Inspection |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer@hotmail.com>
Duane:
Only an entry in the aircraft log is required on an amateur built
experimental in the USA. Only an aircraft log is required to be kept on an
amateur built experimental in the USA.
I recommend separate airframe, engine, and prop logs but there is no FAA
regulation that requires it on an amateur built experimental.
Gary A. Sobek
FAA DAR function code 46
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
1,777 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
http://SoCAL_WVAF.rvproject.com
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Duane Bentley" <dbentley@fuse.net>
Subject: RV-List: Condition Maintenance Inspection
--> RV-List message posted by: "Duane Bentley" <dbentley@fuse.net>
I understand the need to document the annual condition maintenance
inspection in the Aircraft Log Book, but is there a requirement to also
document the condition maintenance inspection in a separate Engine Log
Book?
Duane Bentley
RV6
N515DB
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