---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 09/22/05: 25 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:08 AM - re[14] (Jonah Fields) 2. 03:00 AM - Aux tanks (Trevor Mills) 3. 05:51 AM - Re: Aux tanks (Allen Fulmer) 4. 06:51 AM - Tinted Canopy and UV light (Ron Patterson) 5. 10:24 AM - Re: CFI in Northern California (HCRV6@comcast.net) 6. 11:28 AM - Re: Aux tanks (sportav8r@aol.com) 7. 11:34 AM - Mail Delivery (failure rv-list@matronics.com) (n254bl@cfl.rr.com) 8. 12:52 PM - Re: Re: Condition Maintenance Inspection (Vincent Welch) 9. 02:30 PM - ADDS Radar Color () 10. 02:32 PM - Re: Compass Correction Card spreadsheet (rv6n6r@comcast.net) 11. 02:50 PM - Re: RvAtor Receipt? (Greg@itmack) 12. 02:58 PM - Re: Aux tanks (Charlie England) 13. 03:06 PM - Re: ADDS Radar Color (Fiveonepw@aol.com) 14. 03:32 PM - Re: Tinted Canopy and UV light (Vanremog@aol.com) 15. 03:57 PM - Re: Tinted Canopy and UV light (Olen Goodwin) 16. 04:41 PM - ADDS Radar Display Color Oddity () 17. 05:40 PM - RV Accidents in the last 2 weeks (RobHickman@aol.com) 18. 06:26 PM - Re: RV Accidents in the last 2 weeks (Jim Cimino) 19. 07:16 PM - Re: RV Accidents in the last 2 weeks (Ron Lee) 20. 07:47 PM - Re: RV Accidents in the last 2 weeks (LarryRobertHelming) 21. 07:54 PM - Re: RV Accidents in the last 2 weeks (Jerry Springer) 22. 08:08 PM - Re: Tinted Canopy and UV light (David Burton) 23. 08:50 PM - Re: Tinted Canopy and UV light (Olen Goodwin) 24. 09:26 PM - Re: Tinted Canopy and UV light (Albert Gardner) 25. 09:29 PM - Re: UV and Canopies (Vanremog@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:08:57 AM PST US FCC: mailbox://qlwyvjjmdwnbp@yahoo.com/Sent From: Jonah Fields Subject: re[14] DNA: do not archive Its-Bogus: do not forward to list - No Plain-Text Section --- MIME Errors - No Plain-Text Section Found --- A message with no text/plain MIME section was received. The entire body of the message was removed. Please resend the email using Plain Text formatting. HOTMAIL is notorious for only including an HTML section in their client's default configuration. If you're using HOTMAIL, please see your email application's settings and switch to a default mail option that uses "Plain Text". --- MIME Errors No Plain-Text Section Found --- ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:00:50 AM PST US From: "Trevor Mills" Subject: RV-List: Aux tanks --> RV-List message posted by: "Trevor Mills" I am thinking of turning the standard Van's wing tips into aux fuel tanks. Has anybody else done this ? or is there something that would make it impractical. I have seen the Australian tip tanks that van's is re-selling, but cant manage them on my budget. Also does anyone know if the standard tips are epoxy or polyester, or how to pick the difference, as I have been told I need to use epoxy to make them fuel proof. Thanks Trevor Mills 80605 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:51:04 AM PST US From: "Allen Fulmer" Subject: RE: RV-List: Aux tanks --> RV-List message posted by: "Allen Fulmer" Interesting stuff here: http://www3.telus.net/haywire/RV-9/C-FSTB.htm Go to Fuel Systems and scroll down the page for link to ". . .written procedures for converting wing tip tanks" This is what I am planning to do. Allen Fulmer RV7 Wings (QB Fuse on hand) Eggenfellner Subaru H6 on order N808AF reserved Alexander City, AL 256-329-2001 DO NOT ARCHIVE -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Trevor Mills Subject: RV-List: Aux tanks --> RV-List message posted by: "Trevor Mills" I am thinking of turning the standard Van's wing tips into aux fuel tanks. Has anybody else done this ? or is there something that would make it impractical. I have seen the Australian tip tanks that van's is re-selling, but cant manage them on my budget. Also does anyone know if the standard tips are epoxy or polyester, or how to pick the difference, as I have been told I need to use epoxy to make them fuel proof. Thanks Trevor Mills 80605 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:51:01 AM PST US From: Ron Patterson Subject: RV-List: Tinted Canopy and UV light --> RV-List message posted by: Ron Patterson Does anyone know if there is a filtering of harmful UV light if you have a tinted canopy? I don't like hats....especially don't like BIG hats! ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:24:07 AM PST US From: HCRV6@comcast.net Subject: Re: RV-List: CFI in Northern California --> RV-List message posted by: HCRV6@comcast.net As previously suggested by GV, try Pete Gillcrist at Attitude Aviation at LVK, www.AttitudeAviation.com. -- Harry Crosby RV-6 N16CX, 131 hours As previously suggested by GV, try Pete Gillcrist at Attitude Aviation at LVK, www.AttitudeAviation.com. -- Harry Crosby RV-6 N16CX, 131 hours ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:28:10 AM PST US From: sportav8r@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Aux tanks --> RV-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com I think you want to use polyester isophthalate resin (with surface curing agent added to final coat) to make fuel-proof tanks; not epoxy. -Stormy ...been a long time, but I made aux tanks for my RANS S-12 out of this stuff and it worked great. -----Original Message----- From: Trevor Mills Subject: RV-List: Aux tanks --> RV-List message posted by: "Trevor Mills" I am thinking of turning the standard Van's wing tips into aux fuel tanks. Has anybody else done this ? or is there something that would make it impractical. I have seen the Australian tip tanks that van's is re-selling, but cant manage them on my budget. Also does anyone know if the standard tips are epoxy or polyester, or how to pick the difference, as I have been told I need to use epoxy to make them fuel proof. Thanks Trevor Mills 80605 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:34:08 AM PST US From: n254bl@cfl.rr.com Subject: RV-List: Mail Delivery (failure rv-list@matronics.com) --> RV-List message posted by: n254bl@cfl.rr.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:52:30 PM PST US From: "Vincent Welch" Subject: RE: RV-List: RE: Condition Maintenance Inspection --> RV-List message posted by: "Vincent Welch" Mike, Just for my own education, can you tell me where I can find a listing of the entries that are required in the airframe, engine, and prop log books? Specifically, what routine maintenance items are required to be noted? Vince >From: "Mike Robertson" >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: RV-List: RE: Condition Maintenance Inspection >Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:31:32 -0700 > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Robertson" > >Duane, > >Again the condition inspection entry is not required in the engine logbook >by the regulations or, more properly, the Operating Limitations given to >the >aircraft at the time of the initial certification. Many people put and >entry in the engine logbook as to the finidings and inspection results, but >it is NOT required. > >If you have any questions please feel free to call me at (503) 615-3237. > >Mike Robertson > > > >From: "Duane Bentley" > >Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com > >To: > >Subject: RV-List: RE: Condition Maintenance Inspection > >Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 07:18:45 -0400 > > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Duane Bentley" > > > >Thanks for your responses, but let me clarify. I taxied my prop into > >the tip of a taxiway light on Saturday. One blade tip has small impact > >and will need rework/repair. The insurance company sent out their > >standard form, including a request for a copy of the Engine Logbook page > >and Aircraft Logbook Page that shows the last Annual Inspection. I've > >recorded the Condition Maintenance Inspection wording in the Aircraft > >Logbook each time, as recommended by the FAA, but never duplicated the > >wording in the Engine Logbook. > > > > > >Duane > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:30:13 PM PST US From: Subject: RV-List: ADDS Radar Color --> RV-List message posted by: DO NOT ARCHIVE Is it just my machine, or do you see odd color depictions of weather radar displays on ADDS...the color intensity bar on the left is all wrong, and green seems to be the only color being used in any radar picture. Check out and post your results please. Two different browsers give me the same result...other web site colors are all normal. hmmm....??? John ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:32:33 PM PST US From: rv6n6r@comcast.net Subject: Re: RV-List: Compass Correction Card spreadsheet --> RV-List message posted by: rv6n6r@comcast.net You can't do attachments on the rv-list but you can do a file-share -- go to www.matronics.com/enclosures.html. Saves having to email it to everyone. Randall Henderson RV-6 > --> RV-List message posted by: linn walters > > I thought the Matronics list allowed attachments, but it didn't come > through. So I sent it direct to Albert. Sorry for the waste of > bandwidth and archive space! > Linn > do not archive > > linn walters wrote: > > >--> RV-List message posted by: linn walters > > > >I just scanned one ...... it's attached. Open in any paint program and > >put the numbers where you want them. I hope the spreadsheet one shows > >up. Sounds a little more elegant! > >Linn > > > >Albert Gardner wrote: > > > > > > > >>--> RV-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner" > >> > >>Well, an archive search didn't turn up any hits but I thought I remembered a > >>posting about a spreadsheet program that would print a correction card. > >>Anyone familiar with this? > >>Albert Gardner > >>Yuma, AZ > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:50:37 PM PST US From: "Greg@itmack" Subject: Re: RV-List: RvAtor Receipt? --> RV-List message posted by: "Greg@itmack" $4550 AUS so far. Greg RV8 fuse > --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" > > The RVATor isn't sent first class anymore. Some people will get it sooner > than others. Presumably folks will eventually get theirs. > > On the subject of delivery systems. You know, I just ordered a bag of > nutplates and some ProSeal (the little 6 oz one). I paid $4 for handling to > Van's and a $7 freight charge to, I assume) UPS who got the package from > Van's last Monday and delivered it 8 days later. $11 on a $20 order. > > One of these days, I'm gonna figure out how much the amount soaked into this > project is "handling and shipping" charges. (g) > > > Do not archive > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marty > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV-List: RvAtor Receipt? > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Marty" > > Still waiting in Indiana... > > Marty in Indiana > RV-8A Preview plans in Hand > do not archive > >-----Original Message----- > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:58:31 PM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: RV-List: Aux tanks --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England After flying -4's for about 9 years, I'm working hard to find storage volume anywhere I can in the -7 & the wingtips make nice lockers for stuffable items like sleeping bags or multiple small items like oil, tools, etc. I used a technique similar to Todd's to add aux fuel to the leading edges of my -7 wings (under construction). Added weight is about 2-3 lbs per tank with around 13-14 gal per side (3 wet bays). This is more added capacity than really needed (& a lot of work), & in retrospect I might have used a fabricated tube through the lightening holes if I were starting today. Email me direct if you want more details. Charlie Allen Fulmer wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Allen Fulmer" > >Interesting stuff here: > >http://www3.telus.net/haywire/RV-9/C-FSTB.htm > >Go to Fuel Systems and scroll down the page for link to ". . .written >procedures for converting wing tip tanks" > >This is what I am planning to do. > >Allen Fulmer >RV7 Wings (QB Fuse on hand) >Eggenfellner Subaru H6 on order >N808AF reserved >Alexander City, AL >256-329-2001 > >DO NOT ARCHIVE > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Trevor Mills >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV-List: Aux tanks > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Trevor Mills" > >I am thinking of turning the standard Van's wing tips into aux fuel tanks. > >Has anybody else done this ? or is there something that would make it >impractical. > >I have seen the Australian tip tanks that van's is re-selling, but cant >manage them on my budget. > >Also does anyone know if the standard tips are epoxy or polyester, or how >to pick the difference, as I have been told I need to use epoxy to make them >fuel proof. > >Thanks > >Trevor Mills 80605 > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:06:50 PM PST US From: Fiveonepw@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: ADDS Radar Color --> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com Just checked mine & looks like an outer band of Rita is coloring Lake Ponchatraine (sp?) pretty well right now... Mark do not archive ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:32:52 PM PST US From: Vanremog@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Tinted Canopy and UV light --> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com In a message dated 9/22/2005 6:52:09 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, scc_ron@yahoo.com writes: Does anyone know if there is a filtering of harmful UV light if you have a tinted canopy? I don't like hats ================================== It is my understanding that even untinted canopy plastic reduces some of the wavelengths of harmful UV. Perhaps contacting the acrylic plastic makers could provide confirmation of this. The only reason I like the Koger shade is for the heat reduction it provides, I never have gotten sunburned while flying. GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 761hrs, Silicon Valley, CA) ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:57:02 PM PST US From: "Olen Goodwin" Subject: Re: RV-List: Tinted Canopy and UV light --> RV-List message posted by: "Olen Goodwin" I've been told that any plexiglass filters UV, regardless of tint. ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: RV-List: Tinted Canopy and UV light > --> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com > > > In a message dated 9/22/2005 6:52:09 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > scc_ron@yahoo.com writes: > > Does anyone know if there is a filtering of harmful UV light if you have a > tinted canopy? I don't like hats > > > ================================== > > It is my understanding that even untinted canopy plastic reduces some of the > wavelengths of harmful UV. Perhaps contacting the acrylic plastic makers > could provide confirmation of this. The only reason I like the Koger shade is > for the heat reduction it provides, I never have gotten sunburned while > flying. > > GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 761hrs, Silicon Valley, CA) > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:41:33 PM PST US From: Subject: RV-List: ADDS Radar Display Color Oddity --> RV-List message posted by: DO NOT ARCHIVE Ok thanks for the info - everyone else is normal...had to be me...it was...I have "accelerator" service from Peoplepc.com and using the fastest acceleration to speed up dial-up service causes this..I reset it to "normal" (slowest) and all is back to regular colors on all radar displays. Live and learn...(slowly sometimes.) John ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:40:24 PM PST US From: RobHickman@aol.com Subject: RV-List: RV Accidents in the last 2 weeks --> RV-List message posted by: RobHickman@aol.com I just noticed that there have been 5 RV accidents in the last 2 weeks!! If this keeps up insurance will go up as much as avgas. On a positive note none were fatal. Be careful out there and fly safe, your life and our insurance rates depend on it. Rob Hickman N401RH RV-4 (400+ Hours) do not archive ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:26:46 PM PST US From: "Jim Cimino" Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Accidents in the last 2 weeks Received-SPF: none --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Cimino" I have to agree. My insurance rates have gone down every year until this year...they went up. Not only did they go up, Phoenix will not renew policies on RV's. I'm not sure what's going on, but I don't think it is a design issue. Jim Jim Cimino N7TL RV-8 S/N 80039 200+ Hours http://www.geocities.com/jcimino.geo/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: RV-List: RV Accidents in the last 2 weeks > --> RV-List message posted by: RobHickman@aol.com > > I just noticed that there have been 5 RV accidents in the last 2 weeks!! > > If this keeps up insurance will go up as much as avgas. > > On a positive note none were fatal. > > Be careful out there and fly safe, your life and our insurance rates > depend > on it. > > Rob Hickman > N401RH RV-4 (400+ Hours) > > > do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:16:06 PM PST US From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Accidents in the last 2 weeks --> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee >I have to agree. My insurance rates have gone down every year until this >year...they went up. Not only did they go up, Phoenix will not renew >policies on RV's. I'm not sure what's going on, but I don't think it is a >design issue. Unfortunately you can almost guarantee that it is pilot error. The last one in Colorado reportedly had unforgivable CG and fuel issues. Ron Lee Do not archive ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:47:04 PM PST US From: "LarryRobertHelming" Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Accidents in the last 2 weeks --> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" Where do you get your information? Thanks. Larry Helming ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: RV-List: RV Accidents in the last 2 weeks > --> RV-List message posted by: RobHickman@aol.com > > I just noticed that there have been 5 RV accidents in the last 2 weeks!! > > If this keeps up insurance will go up as much as avgas. > > On a positive note none were fatal. > > Be careful out there and fly safe, your life and our insurance rates > depend > on it. > > Rob Hickman > N401RH RV-4 (400+ Hours) > > > do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:54:24 PM PST US From: Jerry Springer Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Accidents in the last 2 weeks --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer This is where I get it Jerry http://www.faa.gov/data_statistics/accident_incident/preliminary_data/ LarryRobertHelming wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" > >Where do you get your information? Thanks. > >Larry Helming > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Subject: RV-List: RV Accidents in the last 2 weeks > > > > >>--> RV-List message posted by: RobHickman@aol.com >> >>I just noticed that there have been 5 RV accidents in the last 2 weeks!! >> >>If this keeps up insurance will go up as much as avgas. >> >>On a positive note none were fatal. >> >>Be careful out there and fly safe, your life and our insurance rates >>depend >>on it. >> >>Rob Hickman >>N401RH RV-4 (400+ Hours) >> >> >>do not archive >> >> >> >> >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 08:08:55 PM PST US From: "David Burton" Subject: Re: RV-List: Tinted Canopy and UV light --> RV-List message posted by: "David Burton" Sorry, Glass blocks UV, plexi does not. I'm guessing, but I suspect that the tint makes no difference. I can attest to some vicious sunburns from a bubble canopy. There are treated acrylics that are protected from damaging UV for longer life, and treated acrylics that are intended to protect art from UV. I'd go to the source of the canopies for info on UV treatment, but I'm doubtful they are UV blocked. Dave, RV6 in work Stillwater Gardens (greenhouses) glass/plexi etc. :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Olen Goodwin" Subject: Re: RV-List: Tinted Canopy and UV light > --> RV-List message posted by: "Olen Goodwin" > > I've been told that any plexiglass filters UV, regardless of tint. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Subject: Re: RV-List: Tinted Canopy and UV light > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com > > > > > > In a message dated 9/22/2005 6:52:09 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > scc_ron@yahoo.com writes: > > > > Does anyone know if there is a filtering of harmful UV light if you have > a > > tinted canopy? I don't like hats > > > > > > ================================== > > > > It is my understanding that even untinted canopy plastic reduces some of > the > > wavelengths of harmful UV. Perhaps contacting the acrylic plastic makers > > could provide confirmation of this. The only reason I like the Koger > shade is > > for the heat reduction it provides, I never have gotten sunburned while > > flying. > > > > GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 761hrs, Silicon Valley, CA) > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:50:34 PM PST US From: "Olen Goodwin" Subject: Re: RV-List: Tinted Canopy and UV light --> RV-List message posted by: "Olen Goodwin" Thanks for the correction. I think my impression came from a discussion of sunglasses a while back and my facts got turned around. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Burton" Subject: Re: RV-List: Tinted Canopy and UV light > --> RV-List message posted by: "David Burton" > > Sorry, Glass blocks UV, plexi does not. I'm guessing, but I suspect that > the tint makes no difference. I can attest to some vicious sunburns from a > bubble canopy. > There are treated acrylics that are protected from damaging UV for longer > life, and treated acrylics that are intended to protect art from UV. I'd go > to the source of the canopies for info on UV treatment, but I'm doubtful > they are UV blocked. > > Dave, > RV6 in work > Stillwater Gardens (greenhouses) glass/plexi etc. :-) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Olen Goodwin" > To: > Subject: Re: RV-List: Tinted Canopy and UV light > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Olen Goodwin" > > > > I've been told that any plexiglass filters UV, regardless of tint. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Subject: Re: RV-List: Tinted Canopy and UV light > > > > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 9/22/2005 6:52:09 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > > scc_ron@yahoo.com writes: > > > > > > Does anyone know if there is a filtering of harmful UV light if you > have > > a > > > tinted canopy? I don't like hats > > > > > > > > > ================================== > > > > > > It is my understanding that even untinted canopy plastic reduces some of > > the > > > wavelengths of harmful UV. Perhaps contacting the acrylic plastic > makers > > > could provide confirmation of this. The only reason I like the Koger > > shade is > > > for the heat reduction it provides, I never have gotten sunburned > while > > > flying. > > > > > > GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 761hrs, Silicon Valley, CA) > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 09:26:15 PM PST US From: "Albert Gardner" Subject: RE: RV-List: Tinted Canopy and UV light --> RV-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner" All of the pictures I take through the canopy have a sort of washed out look and have to be adjusted to make color look better. I have assumed it was the canopy filtering out something-not my technique. Maybe I'm wrong. Albert Gardner Yuma, AZ ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 09:29:56 PM PST US From: Vanremog@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: UV and Canopies --> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com _http://soaring.aerobatics.ws/SOARING/articles/uv.txt_ (http://soaring.aerobatics.ws/SOARING/articles/uv.txt) GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 761hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)