---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 09/25/05: 29 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:09 AM - Re:Firewall Sealant (Dave & Brenda Emond) 2. 04:49 AM - The Ultimate Online Pharmaceutical (Doctor) 3. 04:52 AM - Re: Garmin GNC250XL & GTX327 Installation Manuals (LarryRobertHelming) 4. 07:58 AM - Re: Re:Firewall Sealant (Evan and Megan Johnson) 5. 08:12 AM - Re: Re:Firewall Sealant (Dick DeCramer) 6. 08:36 AM - Re: Poor Handling RV (Kevin Horton) 7. 09:42 AM - RV Seat Cushions for Sale () 8. 11:00 AM - Project Insurance (Bob Perkinson) 9. 12:38 PM - Re: Aux tanks (Jeff Dowling) 10. 01:12 PM - Re: Aux tanks (Steve Struyk) 11. 01:20 PM - Abilene Airfest (H.Ivan Haecker) 12. 04:27 PM - F-863 interference with F-872A root fairing (Greg Puckett) 13. 04:42 PM - Re: F-863 interference with F-872A root fairing (Larry Bowen) 14. 04:48 PM - Fw: Canopy and UV (Roger Evenson) 15. 05:44 PM - Re: Project Insurance (Doug Weiler) 16. 05:52 PM - Re: Project Insurance (Fiveonepw@aol.com) 17. 06:02 PM - Re: Project Insurance (Sam Buchanan) 18. 06:07 PM - Re: Poor Handling RV (D.Bristol) 19. 06:22 PM - Re: Project Insurance (Dan Krueger) 20. 07:41 PM - Re: Poor Handling RV (Jerry Springer) 21. 07:56 PM - Re: Poor Handling RV (Jeff Dowling) 22. 07:58 PM - Re: Poor Handling RV (Ron Lee) 23. 08:15 PM - Re: Project Insurance (William Gill) 24. 08:54 PM - Re: Poor Handling RV (D.Bristol) 25. 09:20 PM - Re: Poor Handling RV (Jerry Springer) 26. 09:33 PM - Re: Poor Handling RV (Terry Watson) 27. 09:49 PM - Canopy and UV (Roger Evenson) 28. 10:38 PM - Re: F-863 interference with F-872A root fairing (Mickey Coggins) 29. 10:39 PM - Re: Project Insurance (Jeff Point) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:09:14 AM PST US From: "Dave & Brenda Emond" Subject: RV-List: Re:Firewall Sealant --> RV-List message posted by: "Dave & Brenda Emond" I am curious to learn what firewall sealants have are being used in RV land, to seal firewalls? 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You want the installation manual. There is a post from me on this list which gives instruction on exactly how to find any Garmin manual you would like to own. It is message # 124785. Now using that technique described in that message usually works very well. But in this case, since the GNC250XL is the same rough model as 150 series, the manual is stored as http://www.garmin.com/manuals/156_InstallationManual.pdf . Funny thing is that I only figured this out through a google search of "gnc250xl installation Manual pdf" That google brought me to the Taiwanese site with the correct file download. So..... There you have it. A little slewthing around and Goggle grabbed it for me. BTW, I have ended up on this site before so I suspect garmin has not set the exclude list for this location for the crawlers. SSHHHH!!!!!! Enjoy Mike<-- Indiana Larry, RV7 Tip Up SunSeeker ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ " Happiness: like a butterfly, when pursued, is always beyond our grasp, but which, if one sits quietly, may light upon you." Nathaniel Hawthorne ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Schaefer" Subject: RV-List: Garmin GNC250XL & GTX327 Installation Manuals > --> RV-List message posted by: "David Schaefer" > > Can some one please email me the Garmin GNC250XL and GTX327 installation > manual .PDF? > > > Regards, > > > David W. Schaefer > > N142DS > > www.n142ds.com > > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:58:17 AM PST US From: "Evan and Megan Johnson" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re:Firewall Sealant --> RV-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson" Use your left over proseal...its impervious to oil and works well here. I have found a ton of uses for this stuff :) Cheers Evan Johnson www.evansaviationproducts.com (530)247-0375 (530)351-1776 cell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave & Brenda Emond" Subject: RV-List: Re:Firewall Sealant > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dave & Brenda Emond" > > I am curious to learn what firewall sealants have are being used in RV land, > to seal firewalls? > > Dave Emond > > RV10 - #40159 > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:12:35 AM PST US From: "Dick DeCramer" Subject: RE: RV-List: Re:Firewall Sealant --> RV-List message posted by: "Dick DeCramer" Left over "ProSeal". Also used it as bedding for the canopy, windscreen, and anything else I needed to stick together, seal, or whatever. It's a great product with the exception of the mess but after building tanks I found it to be manageable. Dick DeCramer RV6 0320 Sensenich 87 hours > [Original Message] > From: Dave & Brenda Emond > To: > Date: 9/25/2005 6:28:59 AM > Subject: RV-List: Re:Firewall Sealant > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dave & Brenda Emond" > > I am curious to learn what firewall sealants have are being used in RV land, > to seal firewalls? > > Dave Emond > > RV10 - #40159 > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:36:41 AM PST US From: Kevin Horton Subject: Re: RV-List: Poor Handling RV --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton It would also be interesting to know if the "problem" aircraft has any more friction in the controls than Larry's RV. And how do the CGs compare on the two aircraft? Differences in elevator trailing edge radius may also have an effect. I'm not sure how much of a difference in radius it would take before there was a noticeable difference. Kevin Horton On 24-Sep-05, at 4:26 PM, Jamie Painter wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: Jamie Painter > > Larry. > > This is very interesting. Wouldn't you be able to compare the > handling > of your RV against your friend's by holding onto your stick a little > lower? I would measure his stick, put a mark on yours at the same > height and try to fly from there. Would be an interesting test. > > - Jamie > > do not archive > > On Sep 24, 2005, at 1:21 PM, Larry Pardue wrote: > > >> --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue" >> >> >> Greetings, >> >> A friend recently bought an RV-6 and I have had the opportunity to >> fly >> it a >> few times. For me this airplane is marginally unpleasant to fly and >> takes a >> lot of concentration to fly well. On one landing attempt I even >> briefly >> PIO'd. Not something I would have ever expected to do in the >> normally >> very >> sweet handling RV's. The contrast between my airplane, that seems to >> do >> whatever I wish it to do, without conscious thought or effort, and my >> friends airplane, that I am not very comfortable in, is huge. >> >> What causes this large difference? Simply that the stick on my >> friends >> airplane has been cut off way too short. Now I had to cut mine >> some to >> clear all the engine controls, but this one is cut off so far that >> when I am >> on the end of the stick my arm still interferes with my thigh. That >> is not >> what causes the problem though. The problem is the increased >> sensitivity >> combined with the increased forces required. It also seems to >> amplify >> the >> small amount of free play in the control system. >> >> I have seen discussion of cutting the stick off on RV's for reasons >> that >> were not clear to me. If anyone asked for my advice I would say give >> it a >> lot of thought. >> >> The good thing is that this problem is fairly easily remediable. >> There is a >> new stick on order from Van's. >> >> Larry Pardue >> Carlsbad, NM >> >> RV-6 N441LP Flying >> http://n5lp.net >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:42:13 AM PST US From: Subject: RV-List: RV Seat Cushions for Sale --> RV-List message posted by: I have two Becky Orndorf seat cushions from my RV6A for sale. I have replaced them with Oregon Aero units and have no use for the Orndorf units. They are light brown or tan, with two darker stripes. They are clean, no tears or rips, no scuff marks. Both have built-in stick boots, and one has a place to pass through a 5-point crotch harness. Both have three snaps on top of the seat backs for snapping into matching snaps on the metal seat back. Not necessary, but it stops the back from moving about.I paid a over $300 for them and offer them for $125 plus shipping. E-mail me for photos of the seats if you are interested. John at Salida, CO n1cxo320@peoplepc.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:00:14 AM PST US From: "Bob Perkinson" Subject: RV-List: Project Insurance --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Perkinson" All, Where can insurance be had to cover my project? How much will it cost me per year?. Homeowners wont even talk to me about it, as far as they are concerned it is just a pile of junk. Bob Perkinson Hendersonville, TN. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:38:41 PM PST US From: "Jeff Dowling" Subject: Re: RV-List: Aux tanks --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" I was waiting for this post. Ok, I chose an IO-360 and fly full throttle above 5500 where I burn just under 10gph. I would like to get another hour burn in my particular setup. do not archive Shemp/Jeff Dowling RV-6A, N915JD 235 hours Chicago/Louisville ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Lee" Subject: Re: RV-List: Aux tanks > --> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee > > I have 5 hours of fuel in a stock 6A as it is. I think my longest flight > was > just over 4 hours and I had adequate fuel left when I landed. LSE > ignition > in place of one mag may contribute to this plus I fly around 2550 rpm > on a fixed pitch prop. > > Ron Lee > > Do not archive > > >>Just an opinion here, but I would love to have another 10 gallons of fuel >>in >>my 6. I plan for a 3 hour trip now and think a 4 hour duration would be a >>good max. > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:12:41 PM PST US From: "Steve Struyk" Subject: Re: RV-List: Aux tanks --> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Struyk" Try Nation Air Phone 636-532-0023 Steve Struyk RV-8, N842S Finishing....still. Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Dowling" Subject: Re: RV-List: Aux tanks > --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" > > > I was waiting for this post. > > Ok, I chose an IO-360 and fly full throttle above 5500 where I burn just > under 10gph. I would like to get another hour burn in my particular > setup. > > do not archive > > Shemp/Jeff Dowling > RV-6A, N915JD > 235 hours > Chicago/Louisville > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Lee" > To: > Subject: Re: RV-List: Aux tanks > > >> --> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee >> >> I have 5 hours of fuel in a stock 6A as it is. I think my longest flight >> was >> just over 4 hours and I had adequate fuel left when I landed. LSE >> ignition >> in place of one mag may contribute to this plus I fly around 2550 rpm >> on a fixed pitch prop. >> >> Ron Lee >> >> Do not archive >> >> >>>Just an opinion here, but I would love to have another 10 gallons of fuel >>>in >>>my 6. I plan for a 3 hour trip now and think a 4 hour duration would be >>>a >>>good max. >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:20:31 PM PST US From: "H.Ivan Haecker" Subject: RV-List: Abilene Airfest RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.0.2 --> RV-List message posted by: "H.Ivan Haecker" I made the trip to the Abilene affair yesterday. The turnout was light. Perhaps the recent hurricane or the high price of av-gas these days were to blame, but even the Air Force didn't show which was my main reason for going. The B-1 low passes are a real crowd pleaser. I did see the very nice -10s from Burlington, CO that I understand were in the most recent RV-ator. The weather was clear and warm with a light north breeze. I'm sure a lot of people put some time into making this show happen, but for whatever reason it sure was quiet. At least I got my $100+ hamburger! H. Ivan Haecker -4 1185 hrs. S. Cen. TX ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:27:20 PM PST US From: "Greg Puckett" Subject: RV-List: F-863 interference with F-872A root fairing --> RV-List message posted by: "Greg Puckett" I'm wondering if anyone else has had a problem fitting the forward wing root fairing on an RV-8 due to interference with the fuselage tank attach bracket (F-863). I obviously have the tank attach bracket too high. About 3/8" would have to be removed from this bracket to allow for a straight/level. It seems as though I would still have plenty of edge distance, but I'm worried about the overall bracket strength if I remove enough to clear. I'll be calling Vans to see what they say but, I'm hoping someone else has been there before. Thanks, Greg Puckett Elizabeth, CO ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:42:27 PM PST US From: "Larry Bowen" Subject: RE: RV-List: F-863 interference with F-872A root fairing --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" I trimmed as needed. No problems so far. - Larry Bowen, RV-8 Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg Puckett > Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 7:25 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: F-863 interference with F-872A root fairing > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Greg Puckett" > > I'm wondering if anyone else has had a problem fitting the > forward wing root fairing on an RV-8 due to interference with > the fuselage tank attach bracket (F-863). > > I obviously have the tank attach bracket too high. About 3/8" > would have to be removed from this bracket to allow for a > straight/level. It seems as though I would still have plenty > of edge distance, but I'm worried about the overall bracket > strength if I remove enough to clear. > > I'll be calling Vans to see what they say but, I'm hoping > someone else has been there before. > > Thanks, > > > Greg Puckett > Elizabeth, CO > > > Photoshare, and much much more: > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:48:07 PM PST US From: "Roger Evenson" Subject: RV-List: Fw: Canopy and UV --> RV-List message posted by: "Roger Evenson" Don't know if these are UV wavelengths, but here's some info shared with me from a year ago or so. I seem to recall the summary being that "about half the UV penetrates acrylic canopies, but at 10,000 ft., the UV in the atmosphere roughly doubles, so take precautions." ----- Original Message ----- From: Airplastic@aol.com Subject: Canopy and UV My name is Becky Rogers with Airplane Plastics. Daryl has forwarded your e-mails to us. We currently manufacture the canopies for Van's. I have asked our supplier for the information on the UV that is already in the canopies we are currently making. They have already sent me a graph but I would like something from them in layman's terms so that everyone will understand. They are telling me that most of the damaging rays are already being filtered out but I want something in writing so that we can put everyone at ease. I hope to have something in the next day or two. I am attaching the graph that they sent me. The current standard Van's canopy color is the number 2515. The color 2514 is a special order color and is just a bit darker than the standard color. I hope to send you the other information soon. Thanks, Becky Rogers, Airplane Plastics ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:44:48 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Project Insurance From: Doug Weiler --> RV-List message posted by: Doug Weiler Contact Scott Smith at Skysmith Insurance. He is an expert in RV insurance and will answer all your questions. Coverage will probably be around $400 per year. Doug Weiler N722DW, RV-4, 230 hours On 9/25/05 12:56 PM, "Bob Perkinson" wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Perkinson" > > > All, > Where can insurance be had to cover my project? How much will it cost me > per year?. Homeowners wont even talk to me about it, as far as they are > concerned it is just a pile of junk. > > Bob Perkinson > Hendersonville, TN. > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:52:17 PM PST US From: Fiveonepw@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Project Insurance --> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com Hi Bob- Pretty sure most (both?) aviation underwriters will cover projects- mine was covered by Nationair. Call Aaron Wedge 877.475.5860 and tell him what you need. Premiums are based on your claimed value of project, and your labor costs are also covered for time spent on project- very reasonable peace of mind, IMHO... Mark Phillips - Columbia, TN do not archive ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:02:35 PM PST US From: Sam Buchanan Subject: Re: RV-List: Project Insurance --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan Doug Weiler wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: Doug Weiler > > Contact Scott Smith at Skysmith Insurance. He is an expert in RV insurance > and will answer all your questions. Coverage will probably be around $400 > per year. I agree that Scott is a good agent to call (I've had my RV-6 insured through his agency for six years). However, some contact info would probably be helpful: ;-) http://www.skysmith.com Sam Buchanan http://thervjournal.com ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:07:02 PM PST US From: "D.Bristol" Subject: Re: RV-List: Poor Handling RV --> RV-List message posted by: "D.Bristol" According to one of Larry's post's, the airplane flies fine using the longer stick on the right side. Doesn't this pretty much say that the short stick is causing the problem? I left the stick in my -6 full length, I simply hold it a few inches low when in cruise and use the full length for landing. I think that cutting it is jeopardizing safety. This is another case of redesigning the airplane, and the control system at that! Dave B. EAA Technical Counselor and Flight Advisor Kevin Horton wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton > >It would also be interesting to know if the "problem" aircraft has >any more friction in the controls than Larry's RV. And how do the >CGs compare on the two aircraft? > >Differences in elevator trailing edge radius may also have an >effect. I'm not sure how much of a difference in radius it would >take before there was a noticeable difference. > >Kevin Horton > > >On 24-Sep-05, at 4:26 PM, Jamie Painter wrote: > > > >>--> RV-List message posted by: Jamie Painter >> >>Larry. >> >>This is very interesting. Wouldn't you be able to compare the >>handling >>of your RV against your friend's by holding onto your stick a little >>lower? I would measure his stick, put a mark on yours at the same >>height and try to fly from there. Would be an interesting test. >> >> - Jamie >> >>do not archive >> >>On Sep 24, 2005, at 1:21 PM, Larry Pardue wrote: >> >> >> >> >>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue" >>> >>> >>>Greetings, >>> >>>A friend recently bought an RV-6 and I have had the opportunity to >>>fly >>>it a >>>few times. For me this airplane is marginally unpleasant to fly and >>>takes a >>>lot of concentration to fly well. On one landing attempt I even >>>briefly >>>PIO'd. Not something I would have ever expected to do in the >>>normally >>>very >>>sweet handling RV's. The contrast between my airplane, that seems to >>>do >>>whatever I wish it to do, without conscious thought or effort, and my >>>friends airplane, that I am not very comfortable in, is huge. >>> >>>What causes this large difference? Simply that the stick on my >>>friends >>>airplane has been cut off way too short. Now I had to cut mine >>>some to >>>clear all the engine controls, but this one is cut off so far that >>>when I am >>>on the end of the stick my arm still interferes with my thigh. That >>>is not >>>what causes the problem though. The problem is the increased >>>sensitivity >>>combined with the increased forces required. It also seems to >>>amplify >>>the >>>small amount of free play in the control system. >>> >>>I have seen discussion of cutting the stick off on RV's for reasons >>>that >>>were not clear to me. If anyone asked for my advice I would say give >>>it a >>>lot of thought. >>> >>>The good thing is that this problem is fairly easily remediable. >>>There is a >>>new stick on order from Van's. >>> >>>Larry Pardue >>>Carlsbad, NM >>> >>>RV-6 N441LP Flying >>>http://n5lp.net >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:22:58 PM PST US From: Dan Krueger Subject: Re: RV-List: Project Insurance --> RV-List message posted by: Dan Krueger On Sep 25, 2005, at 7:43 PM, Doug Weiler wrote: Second this recommendation - great people to work with. Dan Krueger N926DK, RV6A - flying > --> RV-List message posted by: Doug Weiler > > Contact Scott Smith at Skysmith Insurance. He is an expert in RV > insurance > and will answer all your questions. > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:41:28 PM PST US From: Jerry Springer Subject: Re: RV-List: Poor Handling RV --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer D.Bristol wrote: >I think that cutting >it is jeopardizing safety. This is another case of redesigning the >airplane, and the control system at that! > >Dave B. >EAA Technical Counselor and Flight Advisor > > > > Dave, I don't agree with that at all, the reason the stick is left long is so that people can cut them to their own comfort level. I cut mine so that I can grasp the grip comfortably with my forearm basically resting on my leg. I have flown quite a few RVs and the most uncomfortable ackward feeling ones were with the long stick IMO. I would not like holding the stick lower for flight and then higher to land. Jerry do not archive ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:56:36 PM PST US From: "Jeff Dowling" Subject: Re: RV-List: Poor Handling RV --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" I would guess an aft c.g. Be careful! do not archive Shemp/Jeff Dowling RV-6A, N915JD 235 hours Chicago/Louisville ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamie Painter" Subject: Re: RV-List: Poor Handling RV > --> RV-List message posted by: Jamie Painter > > Larry. > > This is very interesting. Wouldn't you be able to compare the handling > of your RV against your friend's by holding onto your stick a little > lower? I would measure his stick, put a mark on yours at the same > height and try to fly from there. Would be an interesting test. > > - Jamie > > do not archive > > On Sep 24, 2005, at 1:21 PM, Larry Pardue wrote: > >> --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Pardue" >> >> >> Greetings, >> >> A friend recently bought an RV-6 and I have had the opportunity to fly >> it a >> few times. For me this airplane is marginally unpleasant to fly and >> takes a >> lot of concentration to fly well. On one landing attempt I even >> briefly >> PIO'd. Not something I would have ever expected to do in the normally >> very >> sweet handling RV's. The contrast between my airplane, that seems to >> do >> whatever I wish it to do, without conscious thought or effort, and my >> friends airplane, that I am not very comfortable in, is huge. >> >> What causes this large difference? Simply that the stick on my friends >> airplane has been cut off way too short. Now I had to cut mine some to >> clear all the engine controls, but this one is cut off so far that >> when I am >> on the end of the stick my arm still interferes with my thigh. That >> is not >> what causes the problem though. The problem is the increased >> sensitivity >> combined with the increased forces required. It also seems to amplify >> the >> small amount of free play in the control system. >> >> I have seen discussion of cutting the stick off on RV's for reasons >> that >> were not clear to me. If anyone asked for my advice I would say give >> it a >> lot of thought. >> >> The good thing is that this problem is fairly easily remediable. >> There is a >> new stick on order from Van's. >> >> Larry Pardue >> Carlsbad, NM >> >> RV-6 N441LP Flying >> http://n5lp.net >> >> > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:58:57 PM PST US From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: RV-List: Poor Handling RV --> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee I have about 700 hours on mine with a stick that is 11.5 inches above the weldment bend. I am doing well in my instrument training and my landings are very good. That would seem to prove that my control stick length is not a problem. If I fly with my fingers 2-3 inches below the top of the stick, how would having it longer help? Ron Lee At 07:06 PM 9/25/2005, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "D.Bristol" > >According to one of Larry's post's, the airplane flies fine using the >longer stick on the right side. Doesn't this pretty much say that the >short stick is causing the problem? >I left the stick in my -6 full length, I simply hold it a few inches low >when in cruise and use the full length for landing. I think that cutting >it is jeopardizing safety. This is another case of redesigning the >airplane, and the control system at that! > >Dave B. >EAA Technical Counselor and Flight Advisor ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:15:52 PM PST US From: "William Gill" Subject: RE: RV-List: Project Insurance --> RV-List message posted by: "William Gill" Bob, Until it becomes an airplane (registered), it should be covered as any other household items are and was also confirmed as insured by my homeowner's insurance carrier (Shelter). Bill -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Perkinson Subject: RV-List: Project Insurance --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Perkinson" All, Where can insurance be had to cover my project? How much will it cost me per year?. Homeowners wont even talk to me about it, as far as they are concerned it is just a pile of junk. Bob Perkinson Hendersonville, TN. ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 08:54:33 PM PST US From: "D.Bristol" Subject: Re: RV-List: Poor Handling RV --> RV-List message posted by: "D.Bristol" Jerry, My builders manual (circa 96') says nothing about cutting the stick, perhaps this has changed in later manuals. We could argue this subject for a long time and not agree, but this was not the reason for my post. The point was that Larry said that the airplane flew fine from the right seat with the long stick, and poorly from the left with the short stick. This tells me that his airplane at least, may need the longer stick. My suggestion is that new builders do NOT cut the stick until they've flown and know how it will respond to a shorter stick. Dave EAA Technical Counselor and Flight Advisor Jerry Springer wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer > >D.Bristol wrote: > > > >>I think that cutting >>it is jeopardizing safety. This is another case of redesigning the >>airplane, and the control system at that! >> >>Dave B. >>EAA Technical Counselor and Flight Advisor >> >> >> >> >> >> >Dave, I don't agree with that at all, the reason the stick is left long >is so that people >can cut them to their own comfort level. I cut mine so that I can grasp >the grip >comfortably with my forearm basically resting on my leg. I have flown >quite a few RVs >and the most uncomfortable ackward feeling ones were with the long stick >IMO. >I would not like holding the stick lower for flight and then higher to land. > >Jerry >do not archive > > > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 09:20:54 PM PST US From: Jerry Springer Subject: Re: RV-List: Poor Handling RV --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer D.Bristol wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "D.Bristol" > >Jerry, > >My builders manual (circa 96') says nothing about cutting the stick, >perhaps this has changed in later manuals. >We could argue this subject for a long time and not agree, but this was >not the reason for my post. The point was that Larry said that the >airplane flew fine from the right seat with the long stick, and poorly >from the left with the short stick. This tells me that his airplane at >least, may need the longer stick. >My suggestion is that new builders do NOT cut the stick until they've >flown and know how it will respond to a shorter stick. > >Dave > >EAA Technical Counselor and Flight Advisor > > >Jerry Springer wrote: > > Or maybe he is better at flying with his right hand than he is with his left hand. :-) On my -6 the stick would have interfered with the panel if I had not cut it shorter. (circa 87') :-) ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 09:33:21 PM PST US From: "Terry Watson" Subject: RE: RV-List: Poor Handling RV --> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" I know you are talking about an RV-6, but I don't think you could get full control deflection in an RV-8 without cutting the stick. It would hit the instrument panel before you got to the forward stops. Terry RV-8A finishing -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of D.Bristol Subject: Re: RV-List: Poor Handling RV --> RV-List message posted by: "D.Bristol" Jerry, My builders manual (circa 96') says nothing about cutting the stick, perhaps this has changed in later manuals. We could argue this subject for a long time and not agree, but this was not the reason for my post. The point was that Larry said that the airplane flew fine from the right seat with the long stick, and poorly from the left with the short stick. This tells me that his airplane at least, may need the longer stick. My suggestion is that new builders do NOT cut the stick until they've flown and know how it will respond to a shorter stick. Dave EAA Technical Counselor and Flight Advisor Jerry Springer wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer > >D.Bristol wrote: > > > >>I think that cutting >>it is jeopardizing safety. This is another case of redesigning the >>airplane, and the control system at that! >> >>Dave B. >>EAA Technical Counselor and Flight Advisor >> >> >> >> >> >> >Dave, I don't agree with that at all, the reason the stick is left long >is so that people >can cut them to their own comfort level. I cut mine so that I can grasp >the grip >comfortably with my forearm basically resting on my leg. I have flown >quite a few RVs >and the most uncomfortable ackward feeling ones were with the long stick >IMO. >I would not like holding the stick lower for flight and then higher to land. > >Jerry >do not archive > > > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 09:49:31 PM PST US From: "Roger Evenson" Subject: RV-List: Canopy and UV --> RV-List message posted by: "Roger Evenson" Here's the file I intended to attach to my last message: ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 10:38:00 PM PST US From: Mickey Coggins Subject: Re: RV-List: F-863 interference with F-872A root fairing --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins > I'm wondering if anyone else has had a problem fitting the forward wing > root fairing on an RV-8 due to interference with the fuselage tank > attach bracket (F-863). > > I obviously have the tank attach bracket too high. About 3/8" would have > to be removed from this bracket to allow for a straight/level. It seems > as though I would still have plenty of edge distance, but I'm worried > about the overall bracket strength if I remove enough to clear. > > I'll be calling Vans to see what they say but, I'm hoping someone else > has been there before. > I had the same problem. This article talks about the problem: http://www.rv8.ch/article.php?story=20040825165638378 And here is my solution: http://www.rv8.ch/article.php?story=2004090323465399 I'd be interested to see what Van's says! -- Mickey Coggins http://www.rv8.ch/ #82007 finishing do not archive ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 10:39:16 PM PST US From: Jeff Point Subject: Re: RV-List: Project Insurance --> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point This may vary by insurance company, but my insurer (American Family) did not cover the project. I'll second the recommendation of Skysmith. Jeff Point RV-6 Milwaukee William Gill wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "William Gill" > >Bob, > >Until it becomes an airplane (registered), it should be covered as any >other household items are and was also confirmed as insured by my >homeowner's insurance carrier (Shelter). > >Bill > > > >